Fred Guttenberg of ‘Ban Assault Weapons Now’ Named to FL Ag. Commissioner Transition Team

Fred Guttenberg

Courtesy MSNBC

Fred Guttenberg, parent of a Parkland victim is a rising star in Florida gun control circles.

From the website, Jessica McBride described him as “one of the strongest voices for changes to gun laws in the wake of the mass shooting.” He’s also a committee member for Ban Assault Weapons NOW.

Those are the people driving an initiative petitionto amend the Florida constitution to outlaw semi-automatic rifles.

The small beachhead that the gun-grabbers have established in Florida Government is growing. Guttenberg has now been selected by newly-elected Agriculture Commissioner Nikki Fried to be part of her transitional team. Fried’s office is responsible for issuing concealed carry licenses in the Sunshine State.

He will be working hand in hand with a gaggle of other gun-grabbers like Mary Barzee Flores, who Nikki Fried hired her as the Deputy Commissioner over Consumer Affairs. Guttenberg of course backed Fried and Flores in November.

“I saw her election as the most important one in the state as it relates to guns,” Guttenberg said. “It’s unique that the commissioner of agriculture oversees background checks and gun permits. So they really at the end of the day, this is who decides who does and does not get weapons. It’s a pretty unique role in Florida.”

According to the Hartsburg News;

The team will “help build a department that will respect the priority issues of the people and work hard to deliver results,” Fried said in a statement Friday. “Our transition team reflects the values of all Floridians.”

What exactly will Guttenberg’s role be? Gun control, of course.

Guttenberg said he “will play an active role in the gun side of things.”

He will help “ensure this department is able to do what it’s supposed to do, to ensure every single Floridian who wants a gun goes through an appropriate background check before they get a permit. That’s the way it was supposed to work and it didn’t.” – Nikki Fried

So another person whose goal is civilian disarmament is now placed in a position to have influence over Floridians constitutional rights. Elections have consequences .


  1. avatar John in Ohio says:

    Tick-Tock. Incrementalism always favors tyranny.

    Wake up.

    1. avatar frank speak says:

      well, let’s see…getting a florida permit involved fingerprints, evidence of firearms training and [I believe] a photo…actually more stringent standards than my home state of PA…so what needs changing?

      1. avatar Geoff says:

        “Those are the people driving an initiative petition to amend the Florida constitution to outlaw semi-automatic rifles.”
        This would eliminate all but single shot and bolt action rifles, that’s what does NOT need changing. After rifle they will go after semi-auto pistols.

  2. avatar Kenneth says:

    “Elections have consequences”
    They sure do. And so does election fraud and ballot stuffing.

  3. avatar tmm says:

    Transition team? Transition to what?

    1. avatar tmm says:

      Additionally, does bi-partisan mean both Democrats and former Republicans?

      Not to mention…

      …this is who decides who does and does not get weapons…

      It comes down to you or they, I guess.

      1. avatar Geoff "Bring the EDIT button back, will ya, TTAG?" PR says:

        “Additionally, does bi-partisan mean both Democrats and former Republicans?”

        Yes, and one of the members of her ‘team’ is Paula Dockery, who I am ashamed to have voted for when she was my state rep…

      2. avatar NavyVet says:

        I decide if I’ll have a firearm or a hundred of them – in accordance with our Constitution. Some creep named ‘Fred’ has no part in that decision. Molon Labe.

        1. avatar john hirtle says:

          Roger that!

  4. avatar Southern Cross says:

    The foxes do really run the henhouse.

  5. avatar anonymoose says:

    Huh. At first I thought that orange ribbon was a red hammer and sickle.

  6. avatar Ogre says:

    Looking at that roster, all I could think of was that there’s nothing like emotional irrationalism driving the hearings to make them acceptable.

  7. avatar Sam I Am says:

    Everyone take a breath, calm down and light up a Camel. There is nothing to this; the pro-gun movement is being incrementally successful all over the country. It is only a matter of time until gun-grabbers are listed as “prohibited persons”, and there will be no restrictions on gun ownership for people permitted to have a firearm (however that is decided). “By now we know the wave is on it’s way to be, Just catch that wave don’t be afraid…” (João Gilberto)

    1. avatar M1Lou says:

      Relaxing is how people like Perma-Fried get into office. These people need hounded constantly to ensure they uphold individual rights.

      1. avatar Sam I Am says:

        “Relaxing is how people like Perma-Fried get into office. ”

        Take the obvious, and reverse it.

    2. avatar frank speak says:

      a ‘camel”?…they still sell those things?….

      1. avatar Sam I Am says:

        “a ‘camel”?…they still sell those things?….”

  8. avatar Trampled Under Foot says:

    It was to be expected after Fried was elected. However, as I recall she wanted to turn over CCW to FDLE. Unless I’ve been misinformed for two, or three decades that’s all the Department of Agriculture controls, and that within the constraints of Florida statues. Not what weapons are restricted. I don’t think her office can introduce legislation. Though, I could be mistaken. If so. Good luck getting it through.

    1. avatar Geoff "Bring the EDIT button back, will ya, TTAG?" PR says:

      She can throw up all kinds of blocks in the permitting arena, demanding all i’s dotted and t’s crossed. They are gonna look for any way to disrupt it. Slow-walk paperwork, whatever they can think of. And the Mad Mommies are gonna ‘help’.

      Then I expect her to submit ‘recommendations’ on how the permitting process can be ‘improved’…

    2. avatar CZ Rider says:

      Yeah, the ag department just administers CCW, so what this really means is that Fried put an ignorant anti-gun jackhole on her staff so she could score some feelz points. Unfortunately nobody seems to recognize the limits of their governmental powers anymore so I expect they’ll try all kinds of extralegal crap in the hope that nobody will call them on it.

  9. avatar Jeff says:

    He should actually find out what the Secretary of Agriculture is actually capable of doing. The only gun permits in Florida are for CCW. No permits required to own a firearm. As far as backgrounds checks, Florida uses NICS. Agriculture isn’t involved.

    1. avatar Geoff "Bring the EDIT button back, will ya, TTAG?" PR says:

      “The only gun permits in Florida are for CCW. No permits required to own a firearm.”


      Expect that to be on her list of recommended ‘improvements’…

      1. avatar DDay says:

        DeSantis is very pro 2A. She can recommend all she wants, it’s going no where. Also DeSantis is going to install very conservative judges, anything fried does which violates the law will be quickly slapped down by the courts. The FL supreme court is now strongly conservative

        1. avatar LarryinTX says:

          “Anything Fried does”?? How about *chicken* Fried?

    2. avatar LarryinTX says:

      So, you’re saying that none of these people have the slightest clue what they’re talking about? This is my shocked face.

  10. avatar Chris T in KY says:

    So if a connected person who was an open Klansmen, who publicly said “No Guns for Negroes”, he would get a government appointment in Florida in 2019???

    1. avatar Nanashi says:

      I don’t know, but he could be Governor of Virginia.

      1. avatar Geoff "Bring the EDIT button back, will ya, TTAG?" PR says:

        Or attorney general, it appears…

        *snicker* 😉

  11. avatar GS650G says:

    This dip thinks the Agriculture department decides who gets weapons. Someone played him for a fool. They don’t deny anyone who has a clean record and completed the requirements gets a carry permit. They don’t deny guns. They aren’t going to disarm anyone. And they sure aren’t going to keep criminals from arming.
    But hey, it’s their time and money. And if they pull any shit they will find themselves in court and we might see people pulled from these jobs.

    1. avatar L says:

      Well, they control the CC permit issuance, and the scary part about that there are still things they can have an “issue” during the transition where they “fall behind” and suddenly it takes 9+ months to get your permit back instead of the 3-4 weeks it currently is. Like the bureaucratic retardation that is the ATF.

      1. avatar Anymouse says:

        Not a Floridan. Can the governor boot an incompetent Ag Commissoner using the CCW delay as evidence, as he did the incompetent sheriff? Also, what person has gotten a CCW without the appropriate background check, or it that a bunch of BS, too?

        1. avatar Mark N. says:

          Not BS, simply misinformed. He seems to think that the Department issues firearm permits or in the alternative runs the background checks on firearm purchases, neither of which is in the Department’s purview. His reference to the system “not working” was when a young man bought an AR and shot up a local high school. But he will be a useful idiot who will stand in the bully pulpit calling for more gun bans.

        2. avatar Geoff "Bring the EDIT button back, will ya, TTAG?" PR says:

          ” Also, what person has gotten a CCW without the appropriate background check, or it that a bunch of BS, too?”

          A bunch of folks, towards the end of Putnam’s term. His office neglected to do something that resulted in the checks not being run, and Putnam’s office issued them anyway. If memory serves, it was around 300 of them. Some of them later came back denied, and they had to notify the people to surrender them.

          It was quite the local scandal around here…

    2. avatar Southern Cross says:

      I will guarantee there will be process delays and obfuscation from this appointment. They will try to take the maximum allowed time for processes, where indicated by law or charter, and blame “workload” for any additional delays or the definition of days will change. Processes that previously took days will extend to weeks, months, and then to a major part of a year.

      1. avatar GS650G says:

        Basically NYC standards.

        1. avatar DDay says:

          No. The FL courts are conservative and the FL supreme court is very conservative now. The courts will not allow her to slow walk and gum up the process.

  12. avatar Jay in Florida says:

    Its a job with an elected official who can and will be held accountable for any decisions he/she makes.
    When the FDLE handled things back in the 80s. Permits were for the county you lived in only and “may issue”. That didn’t go over well.
    Then in 1989ish or so. The Aggie Dept took over. Permits became “shall issue” and the paperwork was handled by said office.
    Nikki cant change or really do anything policy wise. She is just the paper pusher here.
    Not much to worry about her noise making. That’s about all she can do is make noises. Unfortunately as a Dimwitocrat. Someone might listen to her noises. Maybe.

    1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      Jay in Florida,

      Nikki cant change or really do anything policy wise. She is just the paper pusher here.

      There is still a major problem in that Nikki can purposely screw up the only policy she controls: pushing papers. What sanctions does she face if her office loses 50% of the papers that she receives and takes 10 months to push the remaining 50% of papers through her office?

      Note that possibly losing re-election isn’t much of a sanction. (Bloomberg will probably reward her for her dedication to slowing the “iron river of guns” flowing into civilian hands.)

      1. avatar Jay in Florida says:

        I cant give you a what if the paperwork gets lost were to happen. But I also cant see how she can slow things up.
        Normally here you do a renewal through the mail. Might take a week to 10 days.
        I can and have gone down to the local County Office of the Dept of Agriculture.
        Had my new picture taken hand them a check. Walk out with my new permit
        I don’t see how they could slow that down. She cant change office hours or procedures.
        Hell I don’t really know what that dept really does??? Grows oranges??
        Except maybe if the computer ran out of ink???.

        1. avatar Geoff "Bring the EDIT button back, will ya, TTAG?" PR says:

          “Hell I don’t really know what that dept really does??? Grows oranges??”

          Part of their duties are verifying grocery store scales and fuel delivery pump volumes. Is that 10 gallons you pumped in your truck actually 10 gallons?


  13. avatar strych9 says:

    I’ve read this a few times now and I still don’t know what these people think they’re going to do to change things for better or for worse.

    So far as I can tell, not really knowing much about the structure of FL gun permitting, they don’t really seem to have gotten themselves much power. Rather this looks a lot like political posturing for the next round where they’ll claim they need more power vested in the AG agencies for the purpose of making the change “they system” didn’t allow them to make this time around.

    1. avatar Truckman says:

      You are right she cannot policy and she’s not likely to get much help there being she is a democrat and was helped by broward county and the other crooked counties to get in office and most every other maine office including the Governor are republican so she will have a hard time and we do have checks before you can get a carry permit that is done by FDLE and FBI fingerprint and photo check such she just needs to stick to doing her job and and stay away from trying to change things

    2. avatar frank speak says:

      the real danger is rescinding reciprocity…which would create a huge mess and affect tourism…

      1. avatar DDay says:

        That would require action by the legislature and governor. That is not going to happen. fried is basically a drivers license type paper pusher. She cannot change policy/laws, she has to follow the same laws other AG sec’s have.

  14. avatar Nanashi says:

    Reminder that losing AG commisioner was Rick Scotts fault. Caldwell would have won if Scott removed Snipes when she was caught cheating in 2016 instead of waiting till it was his problem.

  15. avatar Truckman says:

    luckey fried cannot make gun policy but has to do what florida congress and Governor and as far as gutenberg he needs to realize the problem that happened with the shooting was the sheriff and school system not the states fault

  16. avatar dwb says:

    Florida was on the forefront of CCW decades ago because of crime. FL was may-issue in 1986 (ish). Now look at crime in FL, and look at the shall-issue CCW map from 1986 to today.

    Gun control is a solution in search of a problem to post on the front page.

    Maybe we need to revert back to 1986 crime levels in FL before people learn their lesson. Sorry Floridians, you did it to yourself. Good news: you can still undo it.

  17. avatar Tim says:

    I see the same thing happening in Florida as happened in Mass, where someone who doesn’t have the authority, makes up a rule and the minions follow…like the AG making up laws for who can own what firearms related items and issue permits..

    1. avatar Warlocc says:

      I thought of Healey too. Not having the authority never stops these people. They do it anyway, and never face consequences.

      1. avatar DDay says:

        The courts in MA are anti gun and very liberal, that isn’t the case in FL. The new very pro 2A governor just appointed 3 new FL supreme court justices and it’s now strongly conservative. The FL courts will not allow fried to do what healey did in MA. That’s why state judges are also important.

  18. avatar uncommon_sense says:

    Fred Guttenberg, parent of a Parkland victim is a rising star in Florida gun control circles.
    Jessica McBride described him as “one of the strongest voices for changes to gun laws in the wake of the mass shooting.” He’s also a committee member for Ban Assault Weapons NOW. Those are the people driving an initiative petitionto amend the Florida constitution to outlaw semi-automatic rifles.

    Where is Fred Guttenberg’s cries for “police control” and demands for a petition to amend the Florida constitution to outlaw police inaction during mass murder events?

    Remember, police inaction during the Parkland attack is responsible for far more deaths than the attacker. Saying it another way, an attacker would have no trouble whatsoever creating the same body count with a cheap pump-action 12-gauge shotgun when police refuse to engage the attacker. For that matter, the attacker could have probably created the same body count with a homemade sword if police refuse to engage.

  19. avatar Cary says:

    He will help “ensure this department is able to do what it’s supposed to do, to ensure every single Floridian who wants a gun goes through an appropriate background check before they get a permit. That’s the way it was supposed to work and it didn’t.” – Nikki Fried
    Umm, WHAT? Nick Cruz WENT through the background check and bought his rifle LEGALLY. What did not work in this case was the SYSTEM: Read the Wikipedia page about him and you will be astounded at the sheer amount of red flags that were totally ignored by police, FBI, other students and teachers before he actually committed the crime.. It was a running joke that if there was ever a school shooting he would be the one to do that. Are you serious? This kid may as well have put up a billboard ad announcing his intentions! For your reading pleasure, I will post just the part about Cruz’s issues and run-ins with the law and the school:
    “Nikolas Jacob Cruz (born September 24, 1998 in Margate, Florida)was adopted at birth by Lynda and Roger Cruz. Roger died at age 67 in 2004. Lynda died at age 68 in November 2017, three months before the shooting. He had been living with relatives and friends since her death. At the time of the shooting, he was enrolled in a GED program and employed at a local dollar store.
    Cruz was a member of the Junior Reserve Officers’ Training Corps (JROTC) and had received multiple awards “including academic achievement for maintaining an A grade in JROTC and Bs in other subjects”, according to CNN. He was also a member of his school’s varsity air rifle team.
    Cruz had behavioral issues since middle school, but a Washington Post writer said he was “entrenched in the process for getting students help rather than referring them to law enforcement” and he was transferred between schools six times in three years to deal with these problems. In 2014, he was transferred to a school for children with emotional or learning disabilities. There were reports that he made threats against other students. He returned to Stoneman Douglas High School two years later, only to be expelled from the school in 2017 for disciplinary reasons. An email from the school administration had circulated among teachers, warning that he had made threats against other students. This led the school to ban him from wearing a backpack on campus.
    Psychiatrists recommended an involuntary admission of Cruz to a residential treatment facility starting in 2013. The Florida Department of Children and Families investigated him in September 2016 for Snapchat posts in which he cut both his arms and said he planned to buy a gun. At this time, a school resource officer suggested to have him undergo an involuntary psychiatric examination under the provisions of the Baker Act. Two guidance counselors agreed, but a mental institution did not. State investigators reported he had depression, autism, and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). In their assessment, they concluded he “was at low risk of harming himself or others”. He had previously received mental health treatment, but had not received treatment in the year leading up to the shooting.
    Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel described Cruz’s online profiles and accounts as “very, very disturbing”. They contained pictures and posts of him with a variety of weapons, including long knives, a shotgun, a pistol, and a BB gun. Police said that he held “extremist” views; social media accounts that were thought to be linked to him contained anti-black and anti-Muslim slurs. YouTube comments linked to him include “I wanna die Fighting[sic] killing shit ton[sic] of people”, threats against police officers and Antifa, and intent to mimic the University of Texas tower shooting. In February 2017, he legally purchased an AR-15 style semi-automatic rifle from a Coral Springs gun store. As in most states, in Florida, persons 18 or older can buy rifles from federally licensed dealers. Cruz passed a background check. A year later, he used this weapon to commit the mass shooting at his former school.
    Items recovered by police at the scene included gun magazines with swastikas carved in them. One student reported that Cruz had drawn a swastika and the words “I hate niggers” on his backpack. CNN reported that Cruz was in a private Instagram group chat where he expressed racist, homophobic, antisemitic, and anti-immigrant (xenophobic) views. He said he wanted to kill gay people and Mexicans, and talked about keeping black people in chains. He said he hated black people “simply because they were black,” and Jewish people because he believed “they wanted to destroy the world”. He also referred to white women who engaged in interracial relationships as traitors.
    A former classmate said Cruz had anger management issues and often joked about guns and gun violence, which included threats of shooting up establishments. The brother of a 2016 graduate described him as “super stressed out all the time and talked about guns a lot and tried to hide his face”. A student who was enrolled at the school at the time of the shooting said, “I think everyone had in their minds if anybody was going to do it, it was going to be him”. A classmate who was assigned to work with him in sophomore year said, “He told me how he got kicked out of two private schools. He was held back twice. He had aspirations to join the military. He enjoyed hunting.”[73] A student’s mother said that he also bragged about killing animals. A neighbor said his mother would call the police over to the house to try to talk some sense into him. Warnings to law enforcement:
    Sheriff Scott Israel said that his office received 23 calls about Cruz during the previous decade, but this figure is in dispute. CNN used a public records request to obtain a sheriff’s office log, which showed that from 2008 to 2017, at least 45 calls were made in reference to Cruz, his brother, or the family home. The calls included an anonymous tip on February 5, 2016, that Cruz had threatened to shoot up the school, and a tip on November 30, 2017, that he might be a “school shooter in the making” and that he collected knives and guns. On September 23, 2016, a peer counselor notified the school resource officer of his suicide attempt and intent to buy a gun; the school indicated it would do a “threat assessment”.
    In September 2016, three people—a sheriff’s deputy who worked as a resource officer at Stoneman Douglas, and two of the school’s counselors—stated that Cruz should be committed for mental evaluation.
    On September 24, 2017, a person with the username “nikolas cruz” posted a comment to a YouTube video which read, “Im[sic] going to be a professional school shooter”. The person who uploaded the video to YouTube reported the comment to the FBI. According to agent Robert Lasky, the agency conducted database reviews but was unable to track down the individual who made the threatening comment.
    On January 5, 2018, the FBI’s Public Access Line received a tip from a person who was close to Cruz, more than a month before the shooting occurred. On February 16, two days after the shooting, the agency released a statement that detailed this information. According to the statement, “The caller provided information about Cruz’s gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting.” After conducting an investigation, the FBI said the tip line did not follow protocol when the information was not forwarded to the Miami Field Office, where investigative steps would have been taken. The FBI opened a probe into the tip line’s operations.The lack of response by Israel and other members of the Broward Country sheriff’s department to the numerous red flags and warnings about Cruz has been the subject of much scrutiny. In the days following the shooting, calls for Israel’s resignation intensified as more information that alluded to the department’s inaction was revealed. Since the shooting, Israel has declined to resign and refused to take responsibility for his role in failing to stop Cruz before the mass shooting took place. In an interview with CNN, Israel described his leadership at the department as “amazing”, a claim that was widely mocked and criticized.
    Seeking help: According to a new report released and reviewed by The New York Times and The Daily Beast, a year before the shooting, Cruz sought help from education specialists and it was determined that he might be able to be transferred out of Stoneman Douglas to another facility, Cross Creek.
    At first, Cruz stayed at Stoneman Douglas, but as his grades started to decline, he requested to be transferred to Cross Creek, but this request was never followed up by school officials.

    1. avatar Agreed says:

      To be fair to Israel his offices performance was amazing, much like how the Great Leap Forward was ‘amazing’.

    2. avatar Southern Cross says:

      So many alarm bells went off you would think it was an invasion alert.

  20. avatar D says:

    We need a petition to amend the Florida and US constitutions to outlaw liberals and other low IQ voters.

  21. avatar HEGEMON says:

    Obviously these gun grabbers will attempt to make the process extremely onerous. The process will be the punishment. Longer waits and higher fees are on the horizon. I expect these clowns to grind the system down, fewer hires, expanded fees, and additional paperwork.

  22. avatar Crabbyoldguy says:

    Looks like a lobbyist being appointed to a transition team with no authority except to ensure records and operations are moved between govt offices. As such, sounds like he should be answering to the public for even the slightest disturbance, and to the unions for every job that changes.

    Florida residents should congratulate him on the title and let him know you’re watching him very closely.

  23. avatar Unrepentant Libertarian says:

    Is this not like naming a known child molester to a childrens’ welfare position?

  24. avatar Enuf says:

    In the face of tragedy there are always people who panic, embrace stupid and foolish ideas and actions. In dangerous situations these are often the people that folks such as myself, back in my EMS/Rescue Dude Daze, would aid the Coroner to load into body bags. Because they proved themselves too stupid to live, and set out to prove it in all sorts of creative ways that anyone with half a brain would have taken one look at and turned around to go be someplace else.

    Sadly, in politics, this tendency towards foolish panic metastasizes into a blind rush for overly simplistic answers to complex troubles. Both sides do it, they just pick different topics.

    For the anti-gun side, their problem is violent humans but their panic leads to them to dysfunctional thought about just where exactly violence comes from. So there you get all this hoopla over “Gun Violence”, instead of “Human Violence”. Their thinking is busted, shorted out. Some terrible awful thing happened like a school shooting and they couldn’t deal with it. So their brains made new circuits to help them thru the strain.

    Directly from “bad thing happened” to “do any damned fool stupid thing you can think of quickly” to fix it.

    No logic will ever enter into this. They are traumatized, they are brain-warped. They have the sun in their ears and the wind in their eyes and they cannot hear what they are looking at. Confusion has them, badly.

    All you can do is try to work the real problems while also fighting the stupid laws these folks want to cook up.

    1. avatar Southern Cross says:

      And then there are people like Fred Guttenberg who confuses vengeance for justice and want make everyone suffer for their loss.

      For Fred’s benefit. Justice is when you punish the guilty. Tyranny is when you punish the innocent. Learn the difference.

      The primary perpetrator Nick Cruz is in custody. Personally I think he should enjoy a Cuban holiday with lots of watersports and electrifying night life, and Barney the dinosaur played on a loop track.

      Unfortunately those guilty of contributory negligence got off scott free. This would include Israel, Peterson, the school board, and the FBI among others.

  25. avatar SCW says:

    What makes these people experts in this field? Experiencing an event does not make you qualified in any way.

    I was once in a car accident. Am I now an expert in traffic laws, defensive driving, and vehicle safety?

    I’ve had surgery a few times. Am I now a qualified authority in internal medicine?

  26. avatar uncommon_sense says:

    Which state offers the fastest, cheapest, and easiest non-resident concealed carry licenses if you already have a resident concealed carry license (that included a background check) in your home state?

    (Might as well be prepared if Florida begins dragging their heels on concealed carry licenses.)

    1. avatar Mark H says:

      Arizona. But we don’t offer non-resident permits. Just permits. No difference between a resident and someone who lives out of state. No scarlet banner saying NONRESIDENT.

      AZ will take any other state’s CCW, a DD-214 (other than dishonorable) and a raft of other items as “proof of training”.

  27. avatar Rv6driver says:

    The department of agriculture can’t pass any legislation or gun restrictions. They just streamline the ccw process for fdle. Adam Putnam did a fantastic job processing ccw permits. This new ag knucklehead can probably slow down the process and make it more tideous but that’s about it.

    They’re gonna have a hard time getting
    any antigun legislation through the fl state congress and they know it so they’ll look to the ballot.

    They’ll just end up throwing this shit on the ballot in 2020 and name it the “save the children amendment” or some such nonsense and try to push it through American Idol style….
    Keep in mind every amendment on the ballot passed here last election.

    That being said fl is literally armed to the teeth almost 2 million ccw holders alone. If a actuall awb or mag restriction with teeth was being pushed it would cause a shit storm. Keep in mind, no matter what gets pushed through it’s not gonna be enforced on a mass level.

    The laws passed after the parkland shooting where low hanging fruit and haven’t changed much. Bumpstock weren’t surrendered nor any possession arrests made. 21 to buy and a 3 day wait on all guns without a ccw permit which just pushes buyers to armlist and private sales.

    As for the new red flag and mental illness laws the record keeping and coordination is so poor and in some cases non existent that flagged people will pass the nics check at their local ffl’s.

    I have no doubt they’re comin’ but in reality they have an uphill battle down here. Most sheriff departments outside larger cities say they simply won’t enforce it.

  28. avatar UpInArms says:

    ” That’s the way it was supposed to work and it didn’t.” – Nikki Fried ”

    Well, that pretty much sums up every gun control law that was ever written. I don’t understand why Democrats don’t get this.

    1. avatar CZ Rider says:

      I don’t understand why anyone thinks these people say or do anything in good faith on the issue of guns anymore. Why would they resolve a perfectly good wedge issue when they could score points with their base for empty posturing and “look how much I’m helping” laws and then beg for re-election because “they tried” and just one more little law will probably definitely totally fix things this time. It’s all about securing power and denying it to their opposition, which we happen to be part of.

  29. avatar Scott Steiner says:

    Nikki Fried and Fred Guttenberg. Diane Feinstein. Charles Schumer.

    Why is gun grabbing such a thing with Jews?

    Haven’t they been enslaved and slaughtered throughout history?

    1. avatar Southern Cross says:

      They think they’ve learned from the mistakes of history.

      1. “Why is gun grabbing such a thing with Jews? Haven’t they been enslaved and slaughtered throughout history?”

        “They think they’ve learned from the mistakes of history.”

        If you are a reader, and if you are interested in an explanation of this puzzlement, two books by Herman Wouk (The Caine Mutiny) should prove informative: Winds of War; War and Remembrance.

        There are two provocative themes in the books that do seem to present a reasonable explanation (though, not being Orthodox, etc., it is difficult for me to claim insider knowledge). These themes are best discovered individually through reading the books.

  30. avatar Sprocket says:

    Cost shifting is a core tenant of leftism. They got the law enforcement and education policies they wanted. The effect of these policies allowed one of their pet degenerates to kill a bunch of kids. To protect their ideology they must frame events such that they are the fault of those evil gun owners.

  31. avatar raptor jesus says:

    bunch of low-energy beta cucks.

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