And here we have the latest Shaneen Allen story from the beautiful state of New Jersey . . . Woman arrested after cops find loaded handgun in her purse
A Florida woman was arrested after cops found she was carrying a handgun loaded with hollow point bullets in her purse during a traffic stop, Frenchtown police said.
Cops stopped Donna Marie Gracey, 59, of Seminole, Florida, on Tuesday for having tinted windows and a view obstruction on Bridge Street in Frenchtown. While she was searching for her license, officers spotted a concealed weapons permit, according to a press release.
But wait! Gracey has a permit to carry. Except it’s from Florida, and that cuts precisely zero ice in a gun-rights-free zone like New Jersey,
Though Gracey had a permit to carry the gun in her home state, New Jersey’s strict gun laws require weapons to be stored unloaded and locked in the trunk.
Oh, and about that JHP ammo…
While legal to possess hollow point ammunition, there are heavy restrictions in N.J. regarding transporting and using the bullets.
(I)t is also illegal to possess hollow nose or hollow point bullets unless you are engaged in one of the activities that are considered “exemptions.” These include: hunting, fishing, and target shooting.
Shaneen Allen and a few other unfortunate out-of-staters who were snagged by the Garden State’s oppressive gun control laws were pardoned by Governor Chris Christie, a Republican. But his term ends in about three weeks. Will his Democrat successor, Phil Murphy, take the same conciliatory approach to those with concealed carry licenses issued by other states who aimlessly wander into the New Jersey gulag? Don’t bet on it.
What is the chance that any cop organization will admit that the shooter here was in the wrong? I am unaware of anytime the “good” cops admitted that bad shoots should be prosecuted as a serious crime. I hope this is an oversight on my part.
Don’t travel to blue states people. Pretty much like traveling to Iran or North Korea these days.
Wait, gun reviews?! I thought y’all were all about snark, ad hominem attacks, and tasty ham sammidge anecdotes.
“It is the most recent improvement to magazine design to come from Chip in over 30 years.”
What does that even mean?
Throw the book at her. That’s multiple violations of state firearms laws. The courts, including the SC, have ruled repeatedly that the states have authority to make these laws. National reciprocity couldn’t save her, anyway.
It’s time we start abolishing bad laws, getting them overturned, or else just suffer under the infringement.
What has to go, immediately, is this “well, let’s just see if the governor will give her a pass” nonsense. That’s rule by fiat, not rule of law, and is much worse overall than bad laws.
Why throw the book at someone who did not harm anyone, had no obvious intention to harm anyone, and whose conduct did not directly endanger anyone?
This woman from Florida illustrates the problem with laws by fiat: there are tens of thousands of pages of laws and it is literally impossible for everyone to know all of them. The police in New Jersey should no more enforce laws that ban the possession of firearms than they should enforce laws that ban church attendance.
Actually, what MUST happen, is that patriotic Americans MUST start using their firearms as intended. En masse, these Liberal Terrorists™️ that pose an existential threat to our Constitutional Republic must be liquidated, nationwide, by the millions. We must restore our Constitutional Republic to what our Founders intended, even if that means the literal genocide of America’s enemies. And yes, I’m serious.
Playing devil here. With all the huplah going on with NJ ALL gun carriers should know their rules. Play the game until national reciprocity comes into effect. Someone got pinched earlier this year and the governor had to step in. Learn from other peoples mistakes !
You would be surprised how many people have no idea what the law is. You would also be surprised just how many cops have no idea. The typical CCW carriers is only slightly more verse on gun laws that the average American.
You are wrong. Cops know the law. However, cops lie. Cops are trained to lie. Cops are encouraged to lie. Cops are required to lie. Cops are assured it is not a lie when it is told to a mere citizen. Cops are protected from their lies.
Hey, check this old New Jersey state police training footage, something oddly familiar about it, cant quite place my finger on it………….
https://youtu.be/sbgD6MML6YM
Shaneen is the sweetest woman I know. She is gentile as a lamb and an excellent single mother and a faithful friend. She has become a strong, awesome advocate for Individual Rights and Second Amendment. I am proud to be her friend.
I will definitely get one as a cheap / fun analog to my brand new (Christmas) RPR in 6.5 Creedmoor.
Just like the M&P 15-22 analog to a full-size AR-15. Love my 15-22! I bet I’ll love the RPR-22, too.
There is an APP called Legal heat. Buy it, use it when you travel. It can save you a lot of trouble. Even pemitless carry states have rules.
1. Delaware’s preemption is retroactive. They removed the grandfathering provision in exchange for public buildings to be able to ban carry exempt for CWDL holders (or reciprocal licenses).
2. Beau Biden didn’t do anything. Delaware’s reciprocity law for the past 15 years (passed in 2002) never provided for Delaware residents to be able to carry concealed in Delaware.
The reason she was stopped was because the tint on her windows was too dark, allegedly a safety risk. Yet there are hundreds of police cars in NJ with darker tint than what the legal limit is. Apparently the police have super vision that allows them to see when mere ordinary mortal civilians cannot.
I was born and raised in New Jersey and I will never, ever go back there now that I have escaped for good. Almost five years of freedom now.
The vehicle was registered in Florida. Jersey would not pass it for registration in Jersey but does that give them authority over other state registrations? Do we all have to comply with the strictest interpretations when traveling?
The stop was bad. Everything after that is tainted. I bet she walks.
The reason she was stopped was because she had out of state plates from a gun-friendly state. The window tint BS is their after-the-fact excuse for shaking down and arresting an innocent person.
You had a gun in NJ, who couldn’t see that coming. (aside from her) What gets me is why she was pulled over in the first place “for having tinted windows and a view obstruction how is it that tinted windows are grounds to be stopped? and what’s a “view obstruction” and how is it defined?
I did not realize there was anything in New jersey worthy of retrieval.
I am not surprised she got nicked.
I am surprised that anyone goes there.
How terrifying, the prospect of decades in prison for something most of us take for granted, and should.
OTOH, I’d never willingly travel to N.J., and not just for this reason.
I think maybe the tactic is to make comments, copying them to other interested parties. Something like these, copied maybe to congresscritters, other parts of the admin, and select media:
Legally, this makes no sense.
If bump-fire stocks are “machine guns” under current law, why weren’t they regulated that way already? If not, where’s the request for the statutory authority to do so?
Morally, this seems like closing the barn door after the horses are already out (or dead, in this case.)
If you can do this now, with no change in the law, you could do it all along, and if the cause is the gear, not the guy driving, 50-some deaths in Las Vegas are on you.
Responsibly, this seems like a non-starter.
Given that in recent years the ATF has attempted to ban cleaning pads, common practice ammunition, and, indeed lead, under ambiguous stretches current law, how does permitting any expanded wording or interpretation make sense?
The point is to regulate firearms so they can be used by citizens, not remove them from people who want them. Why should we trust you to make a new rule that does what it says, let alone can’t be abused to do something else?
If that’s a civilian they are prosecuting and convicting him in court.
Isn’t reactively doing something stupid whenever there’s a headline what congrescritters are for?
After 5 years, he could move to get his sentence expunged and he would be ok.
There isn’t any need for campus police at all. Let the locals take care of it.
The Constitution rules because it is the foundation law set upon which all other of our system of laws are founded thereon.
States do not, and must not be allowed to overrule any Constitutional law especially the ten amendments in our Bill of Rights which extend the natural rights given us by our Creator to every citizen and naturalized citizen of the United States.
GOD has the right to self-preservation. When he created man in his own image he gave man every right that he possesses.
No State has the right or power to change the second amendment in any way. The only way that an amendment to the Constitution can be changed is through another amendment. Amendments can only be made following the processes in Article V. thereof. All of the amendments to the Constitution have been made according to Article V.
The Constitution must not be interpreted or considered in any other form than that in which it was written and has been legally amended. No entity has the power to decide what the Framers meant or intended when they ordered something be done in a certain way at a certain time or under certain conditions, etc. The Framers were experts in all the various disciplines needed to frame a document so far reaching and powerful as our Constitution. They were experts in the English language as well as English grammar. Everything they wrote in the final Constitution had been studied over and over again before being included in the final document. They said what they meant to say in the only way possible to describe what they intended using plain English and grammar.
The Supreme Court says it has the duty to interpret the Constitution. It does not! Nowhere in the Constitution is it given such duty. This is one example how politicians have usurped power unintended for them to have. Interpretation gives the interpreter the ability to assign a meaning of his design without proving his meaning is correct.
Since none of the Framers are alive today to answer questions concerning their exact meaning in specific instances all interpretations are merely the best guess of the interpreter based on his experiences with those specific instances and his dedication to honesty, personal integrity, non-partisan political stance and personal patriotism.
The Supreme Court is divided on party lines because each of the Justices has been appointed by a President belonging to a political party. We have seen rulings by the Supreme Court that favor one political party or the other instead of the United States and its citizens. The Supreme Court is one of three co-equal branches of our government. All three branches are to have equal voices in assuring that one of the other branches does not overstep the duties assigned it in the Constitution.
Today, we are seeing the Second Amendment under fire nearly daily. Why? Because politicians following party agenda cannot understand the word “no”. They cannot comprehend being told they cannot do something that, for the moment, they feel must be done, or else (something they won’t remember after the next urgency appears)!
We see our country divided into two piles of control and wealth. Which is most important changes with the wind. To whom which pile is important also changes with the wind. But, both matter to every member of each political party because nearly every member that has served more than one term (defined in Article I. and in Article II. of the Constitution) has become addicted to ill-gotten gains from unguarded temptations, bearing no penalties for abuse, to which they have fallen and subsequently come to serve instead or honoring their Oaths-of Office and their promises to the very constituents that elect them and enable their service.
Corrupt politicians have distorted the Constitution grossly over past decades in doing just what they want to do despite what the founding laws demand they do. Every time the Constitution interferes with their exacting control they invent ways around one part of the Constitution using another, unrelated part to justify their actions.
We the People have the responsibility for insuring that the Constitution is followed to the letter by everyone we choose to represent us in managing our country through government having the consent of the governed (us, because we elect them) for doing so.
The words: “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED” cannot be changed but they can be ignored because they interfere with political agenda of political parties. Agenda that are for the benefit of one party or the other, not the benefit of the country and the citizens thereof.
The Second Amendment cannot be amended because an amendment would be an infringement on the Framers intent for its inclusion. The only thing that the Second Amendment provides is that: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State” is available and ready to defend the citizens of the United States from tyranny at the hands of their own government. The very thing that our original citizenry came to a new place to escape. The same reason that these people publicly proclaimed that they were no longer under the control of their tyrannical leader, the King of England (with the Church of England) in a Declaration of Independence therefrom.
I quote from that Declaration of Independence the portion to which the Second Amendment is cognizant:
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.-”
This is the very reason for the Second Amendment. It does not contain limitations on which arms are to be kept or where they are to be kept at that time or at any time in the future. It does defer the time at which those arms are to be born to a well regulated militia. Who comprises a well-regulated militia but the people themselves.
We the people of the United States of America are assigned the responsibility for protecting our country from government run amok of the Constitution and with a bent on the use of tyranny to usurp control of the United States from us and assume unilateral control and destruction of the Constitution.
I am one proud citizen of the United States of America and I have developed a fear that we are near the point at which we must rest control of our country from the corrupt many that comprise government at this time. Should Liberals gain control of both houses of Congress in 2018 the ensuing changes that will be wrought upon us all will bring about the end of life according to the Constitution shortly thereafter.
Who stops some old lady for a window tint violation?
And upon seeing it’s grandma, who starts interrogating her about the contents of her purse?
I went in search of answers to these questions and didn’t find anything definitive, however, I did find that the defendant is not a stranger to the criminal justice system in Florida. One would imagine she can’t have too much of a history if she has a valid carry permit there but who knows.
Really, four knives at the same time? Seems a little excessive, but this is a free country (for now, anyways) and a man is free to carry what he chooses. Thank you, God.
Don’t get me wrong I feel bad that this happened to her buuut seriously how many high profile cases like this is it gonna take for folks to realize carrying in New Jersey from any other state in the union is like playing Russian Roulette with a hand grenade. I’m not saying just don’t carry I’m saying avoid Jersey like the friggin plague, seriously you’d think POTG would learn that Jersey hates them and start taking an alternate route through that part of the country to avoid the possibility of getting busted in Jersey with their legally carried gat. Yet here we are, another one in jail looking down a very long sentence because she just had to drive through Jersey with a gun in her car. Seriously folks if you travel the North East avoid Jersey, Maryland, and all the other slave states like your life depends on it because it just might.
Someone once said “Life is hard, it’s harder if you’re stupid.” I think that pretty much sums this incident. New Jersey is a shit hole with crappy laws. This fact is magically revealed if one spends a couple of minutes on the internet.
We are always under cover by 11:15 pm.
Years ago a relative made a recording; it sounded like Beirut’s Green Line in the 80’s.
Roofers will be waiting for repair calls after the first big rainfall post NYE.
I’m guessing every night is new years eve in Chicago.
Never heard of blanks ?
It’s very good advice and not enough attention is paid to this. The self defense culture is not a fashion statement or a popularity contest. I see a large percentage of the younger/ newer shooters falling into this. Another issue is the signs and property notifications people buy stating things like “we don’t dial 911”. Trespassers will be shot and survivors will be shot again”. Very bad in court and not good for gaining the middle of the road people who want into our culture but are not sure. Do you want to be it ? Or look like it ?
A few attorneys have advised against making changes to the triggers on my weapons, giving guide of the same reasons listed above for cosmetic changes.
My Mossberg 500 makes a lot of noise, but that’s why I purchased a couple boxes of “Blanks” some years ago.
Firearms are meant to destroy things, Not to make noise.
If you must use your firearm to make noise, buy some Blanks, as stated above.
Lack of uniformity happens a lot in smaller police organizations. It is hard for small 3 – 10 man departments to find, and retain, decent people so they tend to be a bit more flexible on what sort of weapons they carry. For example most cops in my area carry Glocks, but a few still carry older S&W autos and my county sheriff still totes around the S&W revolver he has had since he first joined the department in the early 80’s.
My most exciting Gun related experience was: picking up my Stainless Steel Wilson Combat CQB Elite, and a few weeks later, using it to cut a Playing Card in half! Oh yeah, I’m TOTALLY blind!
Years ago when I reloaded for trap I made blanks using cotton instead of shot. Made lots of noise and flame without any danger.
The wad would end up in the yard and that was it.
The guy on the left is a spitting image of Herman Goering.
1. Shooting our new 22 dueling tree with my young boys.
2. Shooting coots from a kayak with a buddy using my SX3.
Florida drivers’ licenses and marriage licenses are recognized in NJ…and the constitution doesn’t even mention driving and marriage.
HTF did we get to this situation in which the 2A has become a disfavored right?
I would not like to be a police officer. I admire them for what they do, the constraintnent on defending themselves when attacked on this site speaks volumes to me. Not all cops are bad. Support your Local Law Enforcement.
Gee nothing much to add…I don’t”get”
380 1911’s. And I’ll NEVER get a Springfield😡
You keep saying that word, “common-sense”. I dont think it means what you think it means.
Having touched off my NAA WinMag without hearing protection I’m hoping the noise and flash will be enough.
Ouch
I know there is a increasing problem of wild animals in cities. But I can’t bring myself to click on a NYT web site. I simply don’t trust what they say on any subject.
So what is the actual crime? No “journalism” source has said what the actual crime is.
A hotel room is your residence, it’s not illegal in TX to carry long guns without a license and you can transport a pistol encased without a license.
“The first rule of The Four Rules of Gun Safety: always keep your gun pointed in a safe direction.”
That is the SECOND rule: “Never let the muzzle cover anything you aren’t prepared to destroy”
The first rule is: “All guns are always loaded!(… all the time, unless you have just now unloaded it personally)”
This item is about the third rule: “Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target”. Besides preventing ‘accidents’, like a ND during a fall, I don’t think it’s ever taught enough that the small slice of time that it takes for the finger to enter the trigger guard is exactly the amount of time it takes to identify your target and what is behind it(the fourth rule). If this isn’t designed into the four rules, it is certainly a happy coincidence.
It should also be noted that the rules lead into each other in a certain order, with an overlap. Thus do they re-enforce each other, and a ‘stack up’ of errors is needed to have a serious gun ‘accident’. Because of this, one should never do the “which of the four rules is the most important” dance. They are all coequals, and need each other, much like a three legged stool. The first, before a gun is even touched, the second for after it is picked up, the third for as it is due to be used, and the last for as the target is soon due to be perforated(hopefully!).
$999.99 for a simple red dot? If you’re charging that, your name better be Aimpoint.
Traded my son a mini 14 and got his Ruger Scout with polymer stock.
Love this rifle and Scout concept. The savage looks pretty good as well since they ditched that stupid looking saddle stock for this new one.
They are not quite as handy as a good levergun but easier to reload.
Personally I would rather see a rifle cut for stripper clips for reloading. These loaded 10 rounders for 308 are pretty danged bulky. Clips would be easier to tote
The solution to this is better marketing and penetration into the unsaturated portions of the market. Mainly the Northeast region, the coasts and urban centers throughout the country. More and better places to shoot and most importantly, cultural shift by retailers to appeal more to beginners and first-time gun buyers. Who knows how many newbs walk into a gun shop with a casual interest in shooting, are treated with disdain or contempt and walk out never to pursue it further.
Just as the culture of safety in the community has changed over the past 50 years or so, the marketing culture must also change. WTF good is the NSSF if they can’t comprehensively promote a campaign like that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZY3UuPtcrs
The officers violated 18 U.S. Code 242 (Deprivation of Rights Under Color of law) I have filed an official complaint with the FBI about that. Since they were armed, what they did was a felony, and since a false arrest under color of law amounts to a kidnapping, they are eligible for a federal death sentence under that law.