Earlier today, we ran a story on drop safety issues with the Honor Guard pistol. Our report revealed that Patrick Roberts of The Firearm Rack made the gun discharge by striking it with a hammer and dropping it onto the rear of the slide. [Click here to view the video.] This afternoon, TTAG Testing and Evaluation Editor Jeremy S. duplicated the test shown in the video, confirming Mr. Roberts’ claims . . .
In an interview this afternoon, Mr. Roberts told TTAG that he discovered the drop safety problem in August 2017. Mr. Roberts said he called Honor Guard’s president Gary Ramey and left a voicemail raising the alarm.
Shortly thereafter, one of The Firearm Blog’s editors texted Mr. Roberts (who was working for the website at the time) spiking the story. Mr. Roberts provided the following screencap of that exchange.
We spoke to Mr. Ramey who had no comment. We’ve also reached out to The Firearm Blog for comment. As of this writing, we haven’t received a response. If we do, we’ll publish it here.
SIG SAUER recalled their P320 when the gunblogosphere discovered the same drop safety issue. We don’t expect anything less from Honor Defense. Then again, we wouldn’t expect a firearms website to withhold life-or-death information from its readers.
Wellp, I will be avoiding TFB now. I thought they were better than that.
Don’t hold your breath for military SIGS. Both the Marines and the Army have recent orders for the Glock 19M:
http://soldiersystems.net/2017/10/08/2nd-mardiv-developing-uons-for-glock-19m/
The above is from 2nd MarDiv
Gunner Wade (Marine Gunner in charge of weapons development) states that he is working on a new requirement for Glock 19M:
https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2017/09/18/marines-evaluating-new-compact-handgun/
Citing the MCT article you posted the link to
“The Marine Corps Combat Development Command has previously stated that it will partner with the Army to purchase and field the XM18, a compact version of the XM17.”
I don’t “fear” the government. I just understand that at the end of the day, the macro-social entity that is the Government of the United States of America DOES NOT GIVE ONE DAMN ABOUT ME. To the government, I’m nothing more than a number on a spreadsheet with corresponding tax revenue figures. The moment I start screwing with those numbers is the moment they send black helicopters, SWAT teams, and tanks after me, capture me, force me to pay, then send me to jail for twenty years. As long as I pay my taxes, the government is content. Every other time, they don’t care what happens to me. Hell, if someone were to murder me, the government sees that someone who ended a stream of money, and will punish in a way that’s most cost effective . It not about justice. It’s all about money.
The police have no obligation to protect me. People want me dead or enslaved for simply existing. It’s me (or you) against the world. The government has no interest in helping.
I believe everything posted was actually very reasonable. However, what about this?
suppose you composed a catchier post title?
I ain’t saying your information isn’t good., but what if you added something
that grabbed people’s attention? I mean Number of Carry
Permits in the US Tops 15 Million in 2017 –
The Truth About Guns is kinda vanilla. You ought to peek at
Yahoo’s front page and note how they create article headlines to get viewers to click.
You might add a video or a picture or two to get people interested about everything’ve written. Just my opinion, it might bring your blog a little livelier.
Paul’s job as editor should be to assure that any articles with negative information about his advertisers’ products are properly verified/attributed and objectively written. His job should NOT be to squelch important stories, especially where safety is the main issue. Maybe he’d be happier working for a fake news publisher where access is paramount. CNN perhaps?
“Hello this is CBS with some questions about guns”
WHAT response (honest) if any do you think will be provided.
?
It looks like the TFB higher ups are a bunch of dicks. I still go there every day to check things out, and then go lose a few brain cells reading the comments section, or head over to see how badly James is getting slammed in comments on TFBTV. Their higher ups do not seem like people I would want to work for.
Not a 45-70
So you pay 5 grand for a rifle that has no factory ammo? Wow.
I think I’ll stick with my (striker fired) DA/SA Walther P99 carried decocked. Never did like the idea of having the energy to fire the first round stored in the gun, I’ll provide it with my trigger finger when needed.
Sad. Now I have to limit my TFB visits or curtail them entirely. I like their military-arms related posts. Oh well. If CNN has taught me anything, compromising with truth is a dance with the devil.
I bailed on TFB when they were acquired by Vertical Scope. It’s a Canadian outfit that buys up established forums and blogs in many interest areas. Then, it fucks them up. They do that by pushing out the visionaries who created the property in the first place. Which is where the real value is.
http://www.verticalscope.com/about-us/acquisitions.html
If TTAG ever sells out to them, I’ll bail on TTAG.
No different than a Govt Model with series 70 lockwork.
Series 80 had a firing pin block. Not as crisp as a 70 series, but drop safe.
Thanks to this article, my dyslexic nephew is looking for a dorp safe handgun and can’t find one anywhere!
Well I just in general get suspicious when someone states “just guns, no politics” or whatever it is. Sorry this ain’t like driving an suv and being on the front line against epa “gas guzzler” tax fighting. Politics are pretty hard to avoid when there are people that want to throw you in jail tomorrow for something that was legal yesterday.
One question: Why?
And with the 0-inch drop on the comb of an AR stock, you’re getting punished far harder by the recoil than a properly designed big game rifle.
…because they can.
And someone will buy it.
Oh yeah. Barnum was right. 1 is born every minute.
Wow. That is beyond screwed up.
.. Who cares about satisfying NATO utility in equipment. We’re Americans, NOT Europeans! …and we all know 9mm hardball is pathetic in terms of stopping power…As compared to a .45 acp…and that would by visual assessment from the actual gunfights…Who dropped first, in how many shots fired…… .45acp wins in acp in hardball, jhp, and in limited magazine arrangements! Long live the .45 acp, American history!
You pointed out that Sig recalled recalled the 320 and you don’t expect anything less, but didn’t sig just do a “voluntary upgrade” rather than an actual recall? TTAG seemed pretty ok with not getting dangerous pistols off the market then, but then again, you guys do publish an awful lot of sig related content.
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Nightforce has entered some new territory. Gotta wonder how well its going to perform!
AR 15 Lower Receiver
AR 15 Bolt Carrier Group
Why would you make an AR-pattern rifle in a non-existent .45 caliber wildcat cartridge when you can make an AR pattern rifle chambered in .450 Bushmaster, a standard cartridge that already exists AND WAS DESIGNED FOR AR-PATTERN RIFLES? Note that Ruger’s bolt-action rifle in .450 Bushmaster was/is selling as fast as Ruger can make them — and I imagine that an AR-pattern rifle in .450 Bushmaster would do the same if it was priced reasonably.
And if you want to allow for more “oomph” than standard pressure .450 Bushmaster, simply strengthen the chamber to allow for +P or +P+ handloads since that .45 caliber wildcat cartridge is only available for handloads anyway.
Such a rifle would allow you to use factory ammunition with respectable performance (250 grain bullets with muzzle velocities of 2,200 fps) or make your own hot handloads that would launch 300 grain bullets at, what, something like 2,300 fps?
Finally, if it isn’t possible for the rifle to cycle reliably on both “mild” factory and hot handloads, then include a two-position adjustment at the gas port so that the user can switch between a larger gas port (for factory ammunition) or a smaller gas port (for hot handloads).
Why run .450 BM when you can run the significantly more popular and readily available .458 SOCOM?
How about record of who is illegally carrying?
Now that would be useful. Or not.
The stupid part about this law is that the discharge of rifles and center-fire pistols is already illegal inside the city of Columbia.
What happened was Benjamin wanted to ban them outright in the city……but state law has a preemption clause that prohibits counties and municipalities from making laws pertaining to the possession of any type of firearms. They can regulate use, but not possession. Benjamin, being the legal genius that he is, didn’t do a second of research before jumping in front of a news camera and saying he was going to ban them. After finding out he couldn’t, they changed it up to ban the use of them……which was already illegal.
You can’t just ban murder, some people just need killing.
(Sarc)
Thanks for posting this, and especially about cards and photos for Ryland. I’m sending him photos of our dogs and a few $1 bills today.
Ya’ know I saw a Bumpfire stock for sale last month at a favorite Indiana gunshop(Westforth,Gary). They sold it for $500. Not a felony,no muss,no fuss…Indiana rocks.
“But the feds would argue that they did not ‘impose’ that cost.”
And the feds would be correct. Nothing in the federal law would require NYC to make such a list, so that is entirely a voluntary cost, and any expenses fall full on the shoulders of NYC. One must assume the professor does not work with contracts, or he should probably know this.
How many people were shot after the first officer arrived? How many people bled out after the first officer arrived? And how many after SWAT arrived?
If that number is not 0, the police made a mistake. Simple as that.
Wow, can’t wait for you to get sued. <3
Well, I can only stack the pallets in the bunker 3 high, 2 wide and 6 deep. So when that fills up… I’ll start on another bunker.
To keep and bear arms.
Keep (to own or have for ones self, not to store in a closet)
Bear (to support, carry, or hold. does not say to hold only while covered from eyes or while mounted in a safe)
Pretty sure its clear and dry.
While we’re at it, ARMS doesnt mean pistols, or rifles, or even guns only, it covers weapons, period.
So, in closing.
The people, have a RIGHT, to OWN and CARRY WEAPONS.
All my Lawyer and Engineering friends will like this next one.
SHALL is a definitive term and is used as such, meaning mandatory.
INFRINGED (to limit or restrict)
Pretty sure Mag RESTRICTIONS or length RESTRICTIONS or bumpfire stock RESTRICTIONS are all RESTRICTIONS……
SHALL NOT BE RESTRICTED.
I love you, you love me, we’re gonna learn by the 1, 2, 3’s…….
This shit of equivocating US gun crime and stats to the UK and Australia really grinds my gears. It’s a false equivalence. From a cultural standpoint, much of Europe’s bizarre gun-laws and traditions are entrenched in fascist/socialist and earlier oligarchic police-state controls. Secondly, both the UK and Australia while at a glance are culturally similar to the US, they are not nearly the “cultural melting pot” the US was and remains, and both are island nations. Bluntly, neither share a border with what is essentially a Third World country, usually ranked near the top of the list for global danger and political corruption.
I think you are being a little hard on Canada
“I, Dean Winslow, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”
Breaking that oath should be good enough reason to kick him out entirely. He should be grateful his career was merely held back.
A wonderful S&W 29-5 with 6” barrel.
Love that toy.
Shoots great, has the usual fabulous Smith trigger and makes my hands dirty.
What’s there not to like?
It would be nice if someone at TTAG proof read anything. I know I can’t be the only one who feels typos are a distraction.
No wat I meen?
Well that’s such an easy question. Living in a tyrannical lefty progressive state, that problem has been solved!
You see here in commie kalifornia, our gun laws have stopped crime, GUN CRIME, cold. We’ve emptied our prisons, made felonies misdemeanors, invited ILLEGALS, with open arms and open wallets, made weed the fun high, and made energy cost the highest in the nation. I know there’s more. Anyway, UTOPIA has been achived. You-all come on down and have a toke. Unicorns, rainbows, and money trees abound.
THE REAL ANSWER: YOU CAN’T. You can only infringe on law abiding legal Americans.
I’m of the school of thought that states “shoot center mass until the threat catches fire, changes shape, or ceases to be a threat… then shoot two more times just to be sure.”
Gotta love Mad Dog though.
“Be polite be professional but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.”