With drones making the news so much lately, a munitions company is stepping in to offer a solution for the government to neuturalize them. Here is the press release detailing their solution to use standard chambered ammunition that includes compounds to disrupt the electronic systems these robotics depend on:
HOP Munitions is proud to unveil Electrically Disruptive Projectiles (EDP), a groundbreaking innovation designed to counteract modern threats like drones, robotics, and exoskeletons. In collaboration with RoboRounds, HOP Munitions will manufacture and distribute these cutting-edge rounds for 9mm, .45 ACP, and 12-gauge firearms, setting a new standard in modern defense.
HOP Munitions remains committed to pushing the boundaries of ammunition technology to meet evolving threats. The Electrically Disruptive Projectiles initiative is a testament to our mission of innovation, precision, and reliability in modern defense.
The Growing Problem: A World of Robotics
Robots and drones have transitioned from futuristic concepts to everyday realities. They are now commonplace in daily life, from delivery drones and robotic assistants to tactical and battlefield applications. Interaction with some form of robotics is a part of modern existence, but the rise of these technologies also brings serious security concerns.
Robots and Drones: From Everyday Tools to Weapons
While robotics and drones enhance convenience and efficiency, they have also become weaponized. Autonomous vehicles, UAVs, underwater robots, and tactical machines are now fixtures on the battlefield and in covert operations. The ability to weaponize these technologies has created a new threat landscape that demands innovative solutions.
The Problem is Electronic
At their core, robots and drones rely on intricate electronic systems. These systems include:
- Signals and Sensors: Critical for navigation and surveillance.
- Circuitry and Mechatronics: The backbone of robotic operations.
- Actuators and Electricity: Essential for movement and functionality.
Traditional countermeasures, such as jamming signals or EMP devices, have limitations, often causing widespread collateral disruption rather than precision. The rise of these electronic threats necessitates a targeted solution that can neutralize individual threats effectively.
“By 2025, the share of robots in the Russian weapon structure is supposed to reach 30%.” – Rand: Russia’s Asymmetric Response to 21st Century Strategic Competition
The Solution: Electrically Disruptive Projectiles
Electrically Disruptive Projectiles (EDPs) offer the precision and reliability needed to combat electronic threats head-on. Unlike traditional measures, EDPs are designed for scalable and targeted disruption.
How EDPs Work
EDPs deploy advanced compounds on impact, designed to incapacitate critical electronic and mechanical systems. These rounds deliver between 3-5 grams of specialized material, effectively neutralizing components such as:
- Cameras
- LIDAR systems
- Electromechanical components
Multiple hits amplify the disruption, ensuring total incapacitation of advanced threats.
Key Applications
EDPs are tailored to address the most pressing technological threats:
- Drones: Precision-neutralize surveillance and delivery drones without collateral damage.
- Robotics: Effectively disable autonomous machines, including ground-based or tactical robots.
- Exoskeletons: Counter advanced military or industrial systems reliant on electromechanical components.
EDPs represent a practical alternative to EMP devices, providing targeted results without unintended consequences.
HOP Munitions: Innovating Counter-Threat Ammunition
As the exclusive manufacturing partner for RoboRounds, HOP Munitions leverages its expertise to produce EDP rounds with maximum impact.
Product Lineup
- .45 ACP: Engineered with a hollow-point design, these rounds carry up to 4 grams of disruptive compounds, sealed with a precision cap to ensure delivery.
- 12-Gauge Slugs: Designed for larger payloads, these slugs provide unmatched disruption power against high-tech threats.
- 9mm Variant: Currently under development, HOP Munitions is collaborating with material scientists to perfect the design for optimal real-world performance.
Broad Market Accessibility
Electrically Disruptive Projectiles will be available to:
- Civilians: Protect assets, privacy, and public safety.
- Law Enforcement: Equip officers with a tool to neutralize modern threats effectively.
- Military: Provide an edge in counter-robotic warfare and infrastructure defense.
Whether defending infrastructure, ensuring privacy, or neutralizing hostile technology, EDP ammunition offers a revolutionary tool for modern defense.
Debuting at SHOT Show
HOP Munitions will debut the .45 ACP and 12-gauge EDP rounds at the upcoming SHOT Show, offering attendees an exclusive first look at this game-changing technology.
While the .45 ACP and 12-gauge slug are production-ready, the 9mm variant remains under development to meet rigorous performance and safety standards.
With Electrically Disruptive Projectiles, HOP Munitions is redefining modern defense, equipping users with the precision tools needed to counter today’s technological threats effectively. These revolutionary rounds are the solution to a growing problem that no longer exists in science fiction but in our daily lives.
For more information, contact [email protected]
This is a stupid article: “Electrically Disruptive Projectiles” is nothing more than a marketing headline sent out by the ATF/FBI to entrap Americans.
If you want to get rid of the drones, make an atomic flak round with your 3D printer. I have the blueprints – on $999.99 for the 1st page, 50% off an all other pages.
Send email to [email protected]. Make sure you have your contact info on the email
Totally unnecessary. There are several “guns” on the market that can be used. One is a 5-6 frequency jammer (which, with the right equipment and amps, a little radio knowledge, and a 3D printer, could be made easily by most of us) – it jams all the typically used frequencies used for communicating with a consumer drone (generally forcing a land or Return to Home). Then there is what is basically a microwave gun. It essentially nukes the circuits (assuming it’s not a hardened military drone flying at night over NJ).
Can’t wait until people start force landing delivery drones and stealing their payloads… you know that will be coming eventually.
High power multi-kilowatt jammers can cover a large area, just a matter of time before the craze is neutralized. I’d think the military already has them, if they aren’t comatose.
Just to be sure I’m reading this right, it’s a type of bullet that *might* disable machines on impact? Game-changing, since DGI Minis are notoriously SO EASY to shoot.
In all seriousness, I’ll be curious how these actually compare to just shooting regular, normal bullets.
Got “disruptive compounds” is all sciencey stuff. Don’t worry yourself with details. Send $.
I could see this getting someone in trouble🙄😀
Ain’t that what 3″ magnum #4s are for?
Or flechettes, if you are .gov and want more range. (Illegal in FL)
Uses special compounds. Sure. BB shot is effective too.
Huh?
If the projectile must actually hit the drone, what happens when the projectile does not make contact? And why is electronic disruption impact better than kinetic impact?
I guess there are more questions, but I woke up about 30min ago, and haven’t had my first martini, yet.
Sam,
Look at you, being all logical, and everything!!
Let’s be real, now. Unless you have (and are prepared to use, in an urban environment) and EMP-pulse weapon, the ideal defensive weapon/ammo combination is? A 12 ga. shotgun and heavier bird loads (maybe pheasant loads??).
Don’t get me wrong, I’d LOVE to have a directed EMP weapon with a 600 yd. range (although I’d be sorely tempted to apply it more widely than just drones!), but (i) I really have no desire to fry my neighbor’s HAM rig, and (ii) I would prefer not to have the local cops pounding on my door (at 3 am, all geared up and tacticool) because I took down their police chopper.
This seems like a solution in search of a problem, eh??
“Look at you, being all logical, and everything!!”
I did mention that I commented before having my morning martini. Guilty of fuzzy thinking, before the morning dose of golden nectar.
Or, something.
Bull shit!
Oh, great. Now every miss spreads anti-electronics goo or powder all over the ground.
If these projectiles have to actually hit to spread their goo or powder around and disable the drone, isn’t hat enough damage?
Or to put it another way, what’s the point?
I need a lot more information before HOP Munitions convinces me that their projectiles will neutralize drones, robots, and exoskeletons.
Their claim of delivering about 4 grams of a substance seems incredibly suspect. What substance? Does the substance have to penetrate the outer shell of the targets to spread the substance onto circuit boards? Or can the substance be on the outside of the drone, robot, or exoskeleton to disable it?
Off the top of my head, the only substance which could have any chance of disrupting those devices without reaching their internal circuit boards would be highly radioactive nastiness which would be unsafe in firearm cartridges in the first place.
As for any substance that would be problematic inside those devices, I can only think of a burst of thin metal flakes to short-circuit circuit board traces or component pins. And even that is doubtful if drone, robot, and exoskeleton manufacturers coat their completed circuit boards.
The last possible explanation that I can imagine is implementing microscopic shape charges with copper to mimic (on a super tiny scale) rocket-propelled grenades. In that case, you would not need very much molten copper blasting through a drone, robot, or exoskeleton to significantly degrade, damage, disable, or outright destroy it.
You can’t accept that 4gm of sumpin will terminate a Cyberdyne Systems T-800?
My endoskeleton is about worn out, and I could use a good exoskeleton. Now these turkeys gonna neutralize it. Well, durn…
Can always spring for the insulated protective layer that totally isn’t flex seal and/or truck bed liner.
“The last possible explanation that I can imagine is implementing microscopic shape charges with copper to mimic (on a super tiny scale) rocket-propelled grenades.”
Maybe the idea is to just diable electronics, leaving the drones to fly around aimlessly, without purpose.
Silly man, thinks civilians will be allowed anywhere near these rounds.
Silly man, thinking civilians being allowed near these rounds.
What goes up, must come down, it’s all well and good shooting at drones but if one misses.…
Hope the demonstration shows one of their employees actually hitting a drone on the move.
For defense, collateral EMP damage seems a decent tradeoff for not requiring precision aiming.
saying Its for civilians is bs, because per FAA and federal law drones are aircraft, federal charges would apply for tampering, sabotaging or shooting an aircraft.
not to mention safety and people getting hit when the rounds fall back when drone is missed.
Testing:IS TTAG working?
Rubbish press release. Let’s see video of the ammo working as intended from Ukraine against suicide-FPS-drones before claiming it works.
America is stuck on the idea of terminators and robodogs and outside anyone who has followed the Ukraine Russia landgrab dustup a bit behind the curve on likely uses of drones against soldiers and civilians.
TTAG broken?
Everything is moderated now. New name of the site should be The Truth about Censorship.
Yeah!! American ingenuity.
Sounds like bullshit to me. You’d be about as well off to fill the projectile with said bull shit as the host of corrosive and caustic metals and technochemical crap they listed in their source abstract.
I notice it isn’t April first though.
Some regular bullet holes followed by a spray of salt water from a repurposed flamethrower would have a similar effect.
Drones are the new Zombies. Gotta have special ammo for both. Or at least special marketing and packaging.
The ‘specialized material’ in the rounds is a piezoelectric material.
We’ve experimented with this concept in the lab. It does work in a controlled environment situation.
Basically, the energy physics; When an object strikes another object there is a ‘use’ (i.e. ‘release’) of energy. But energy can neither be created or destroyed, only transformed from one form to another and its this point thats being used by utilizing that transformation in the form of mechanical stress force. Energy is always there in everything, either as potential energy or kinetic energy – but its always there and when its used it has to go somewhere by being transformed to another form or remain in the same state. When a piezoelectric material is placed under mechanical stress force it releases an electrical charge – basically, the greater the mechanical stress the greater the charge that can vary in frequency and amplitude/amount. There is a point where, with the correct material and the correct amount of mechanical stress force applied, the charge is released in an EMP pulse form.
It works like this, basically from an energy aspect: When a round impacts the drone, the energy from impact applies a mechanical stress force to the piezoelectric material (AKA ‘specialized material’ in the article) and a localized EMP pulse at the drone (or ‘robot’, etc…) is produced that fries the electronics in the drone (or ‘robot’, etc…). The round doesn’t need to penetrate and physically destroy, only impact to generate the EMP pulse. This method, delivering a localized EMP pulse on point, is superior to ground or man/vehicle-portable EMP pulse generation at source because with those you run the risk of also affecting your own local electronics and the power required for any appreciable range is tremendous and not practical for man-portable or vehicle mounted systems for that required for longer range plus the pulse generated at distance the effect can be diminished at the target by weather or other environmental factors. So, generating the EMP pulse at the target instead of from a distance away is an elegant solution to all that.
For close range drones, yeah more conventional methods of firearms or net guns or other methods will work to maybe bring down a drone, but are the electronics destroyed? For longer range a firearm works also for individual drones by disrupting/destroying some physical portion of the drone, but are the electronics destroyed? In the civilian world, maybe a person would be happy with just bringing down the drone and maybe it would be enough (ignoring the legalities here). But in the more ‘sensitive’ context do you want that drone to be able to continue providing its location or streaming sound or video if its electronics are still intact even though you bought it down?
If you just want to ‘disrupt’ and maybe bring down a drone then maybe frequency jamming techniques for some more simple drone types. But that’s not going to destroy the electronics, and sophisticated programmable autonomous drones (i.e. for example, amazon delivery drones, other commercial drones, military grade drones, some hobby drones) can easily counter frequency jamming long enough by a combination of spread spectrum and encryption techniques and continue along their pre-programmed ‘mission’ or even return to their launch point ready to be re-used. So if you really want to kill a drone and make sure, it either needs to be completely physically destroyed including the electronics by what ever method you use to take it down or take out its electronics completely.
Its a solid concept, a very elegant solution. The energy physics work – a piezoelectric material hit with the mechanical stress force of round impact with drone generates a localized EMP pulse that fries the electronics of the drone, and the bullet does what ever physical damage it does, and the drone comes down unable to continue reporting its location or streaming data or audio/video. Just because you can hit a drone with a bullet or some other physical object does not mean the electronics are destroyed or non-functional. And generating an emp pulse at longer range has its issues too and by the time the pulse reaches the longer range drone its effects can have diminished. So generating the EMP pulse at the drone, that’s an elegant solution.
We’ve experimented with the idea in the lab, and it works. It seems these guys have taken it to a more practical stage.
Sounds like getting a box and some manner of emf magnitude sensor is in order for someone with the time and equipment.
.40 cal Booger,
I need a LOT more information before I am convinced. Stressing a piezoelectric material simply creates a voltage on the surface of the material. Even if these bullets can somehow create an extreme enough stress on the piezoelectric material to create a million volts on the surface (extremely doubtful by the way), that doesn’t create an electromagnetic pulse.
An electromagnetic pulse is the result of something generating energy and radiating that energy. Simply generating a high voltage on the surface of a piece of quartz for example does not involve generating huge energies and I am not seeing any mechanism whereby that quartz (or whatever piezoelectric material) would go on to radiate electromagnetically.
For reference a contraption has to accelerate a large current along a conductor (e.g. wire or antenna) of significant dimensions (e.g. at least a half-inch long typically) in order to radiate electromagnetic energy–via electrical methods at least. The only other way that I know of where we can generate an electromagnetic pulse is via a nuclear explosion. And I cannot see these bullets having tiny nuclear bombs in them.
Of course I most definitely do not know everything about everything and could be totally unaware of something or neglecting some detail. What am I missing?
“I need a LOT more information before I am convinced. Stressing a piezoelectric material simply creates a voltage on the surface of the material.
… Of course I most definitely do not know everything about everything and could be totally unaware of something or neglecting some detail. What am I missing?”
“Stressing a piezoelectric material simply creates a voltage on the surface of the material.”
Partially correct under normal circumstances of some materials.
To explain the energy physics behind this in a simple form
Sudden mechanical stress force on some combinations of piezoelectric material will release an EMP pulse, its not this big ‘hollywood movie’ thing but localized and close to the electronics it can ‘disrupt’ electronics.
To address your comment also with this cause it fits into this simple explanation, you said “An electromagnetic pulse is the result of something generating energy and radiating that energy.”
An electromagnetic pulse is a brief burst of electromagnetic energy. It can be natural or artificial, and can occur as an electromagnetic field.
Key words here = electromagnetic field
In terms of piezoelectric material it is not the “result of something generating energy and radiating that energy.” – your statement posits a self contained ‘generating energy source’, that’s not how a piezoelectric material works. That can happen with, for example, a nuclear explosion but that’s not the case with piezoelectric material.
Energy can neither be created or destroyed. It can only be transformed from one form to another. When two ‘objects’, masses, materials, forces, etc… ‘collide/impact’ each other that energy, that mechanical stress force, has to go somewhere by being transformed – if it were not true that energy is transformed to another form well lets put it this way… the earth and universe would cease to exist. In most cases of ‘collide/impact’ its transformed to heat energy or into some other ‘form’ of energy. But some materials when they are impacted by a mechanical stress force they generate a specific form of transformation of that energy as an electric current and with an electric current is an electromagnetic field which can either exist in a steady state for ever how long it exists or can ‘pulse’ briefly and this is an electromagnetic pulse AKA EMP pulse.
This effect is common in nature, this electromagnetic field, right now you are experiencing it without thinking about it. Earth’s magnetic field is generated by electric currents created from the motion of molten iron and nickel in its outer core and realized in a steady state form.
It happens in nature all the time by many different means, this electromagnetic field and not just for earths magnetic field. In nature trillions of times a second, there are these extremely small EMP pulses generated all around us every day and we don’t even notice them. But with piezoelectric material a much larger electromagnetic field can be created.
Combinations of materials create a piezoelectric material combination that under the mechanical stress force of impact of the bullet with the drone, create a localized electromagnetic field EMP pulse which in scientific terms is called a ‘Gaussian pulse’.
This ‘piezoelectric’ concept to take down drones is not a new idea. Actually the idea has been in existence for a long time, in terms of affecting electronic devices and its actually been a well studied and experimented thing in energy physics for a long time. This is actually not a new idea.
And this ‘bullet’ delivery idea is not the first time this concept has been attempted for in field use. For example, in 2019 U.S. Army researchers Adam L. Foltz and James E. Burke were issued U.S. Patent 10,408,579 for their directed energy modifications to the blank firing adapter used on M4 rifles – it basically modified a blank firing adapter with a linear piezoelectric generator (PEG), the rifle would be fired with blanks and would cause the PEG to generate an EMP pulse (an explanation of that method here > h ttps://strapitech-uploads.s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/Burke_slides_9478f429e6.pdf). The bullet thing is just doing it on impact with a piezoelectric material combination and the mechanical stress force of impact.
In this case the ‘material’ is also being used to further disperse into the drone to deposit an electrically conductive powder to create new electrical pathways (or cause shorts) in the target drone which causes further disruption. So there is actually a ‘two punch hit’ delivered here with a localized EMP pulse (with the piezoelectric material) on impact and the conductive powder. And if one considered the bullet its self doing damage then a ‘three punch hit’. If it works out, its unlikely a drone (or ‘robot’) electronics would survive.
There is a conductive material, a piezoelectric material, and a triboelectric material. These together create new electrical connections (e.g. the conductive material basically creating shorts) and a disruptive electrical signal (the EMP pulse from the piezoelectric material and the electrical discharge of the triboelectric material).
(note: a triboelectric material is one that produces an electrical charge when they slide against another material. The effect from this is an electrical charge transfer of some magnitude and a lot of people have seen or experienced this effect at a much lower level – for example, sliding shoes, depending on the sole materiel, or your wool socked feet across carpet can produce a static discharge condition and you thought it funny when you zapped someone with your touch after doing this, that was the triboelectric effect at play.)
.40 cal Booger,
First of all, thank you for your thoughtful response.
I have to research this “Gaussian pulse” dynamic that you described. I am well informed on the basic principles of piezoelectric materials (applying a stress creates a voltage and vice versa–the very operating principle of quartz crystals for oscillators, e.g. “clocks”, in electronic circuits) as well as electromagnetic radiation via “conventional” electrical generation methods. This will be an interesting learning opportunity.
A “Gaussian pulse” is simply a pulse shaped as a Gaussian function and normally produced by the impulse response of a Gaussian filter.
But, very close range a short lived EMP pulse at contact surface of a ‘target’ looks like a Gaussian pulse function without using a Gaussian filter. A Gaussian filter would be used if the pulse was generated from a distance.
.40 cal Booger,
Thanks again. I was already aware of the Gaussian Mathematical construct. What will be new is learning how some/certain piezoelectric material/s somehow create a Gaussian pulse. That must involve some physical (e.g. Physics) mode that I have not heard of.
You are looking at it wrong. I think you are thinking that its the EMP pulse its self or a physical object.
Notice where I described this with “…very close range a short lived EMP pulse at contact surface of a ‘target’ looks like a Gaussian pulse function without using a Gaussian filter.”
Let me start by restating some to separate the ‘pulse’ from the ‘function’ – so “Gaussian pulse function” part would be “Gaussian function pulse”.
‘Gaussian function’ is a mathematical function. In physics we tend to express frequently in terms of math and expect the audience to know that when we say certain things. So lets continue with it as ‘Gaussian function’ and not ‘Gaussian pulse function’.
For example, upon impact its not the piezoelectric material, or the EMP pulse its self, that results in a Gaussian function. The piezoelectric material produces the EMP but due to the material its hitting the pulse can be seen as a Gaussian function.
If the EMP using piezoelectric material were generated from a distance instead of at the ‘target’ the impulse response of a Gaussian filter would be used to provide the pulse that can be seen as a Gaussian function.
So more simply: Did ya ever hear of a ‘bell curve’? The function is like that, except in an EMP pulse its repeated for the time of the pulse.
If you graphed a single Gaussian function occurrence it would have a symmetric ‘bell curve’ shape. In the math, Gaussian functions are functions whose logarithm is a concave quadratic function.
The Gaussian function can be applied, and is used, many ways, for example: Its used in statistics to describe the normal distributions, in signal processing to define Gaussian filters, in image processing with 2D Gaussians used for ‘Gaussian blurs’, and in math for heat and diffusion equations and to define the Weierstrass transform.
I don’t know how to describe this to you here in the comments without teaching a class in energy physics or showing you in the lab. But, the Gaussian function is actually pretty common in life so I’ll just give these examples so you can have something to relate to:
You experience a Gaussian function ‘pulse’ (no, not EMP but a Gaussian function ‘pulse’) every time you fire a gun, you just don’t know it as that – in the gun world its called ‘recoil impulse’.
Ever been in a car accident? You experienced a Gaussian function ‘pulse’ at impact.
Ever stubbed your toe? You experienced a Gaussian function ‘pulse’ at impact.
the list goes on and on of real world examples people encounter…. but…
Physical things can cause effect on EMP, the effect here is, like physical objects, causing the EMP pulse to look like a Gaussian function.
“I most definitely do not know everything about everything and could be totally unaware of something or neglecting some detail.”
Should such a person be allowed to post/comment here? The rest of us here do know everything about everything. A careful reader would have already recognized that.
Bravo Sam I Am!
You certainly lived up to your dry sense of humor with this latest comment.
“You certainly lived up to your dry sense of humor…”
We do Asbestos we can.
ha ha ha. Another good one!
Rock salt. Every self-respecting father of daughters has a box of them shells.
Or a heavy load of #4 as noted by Gadsden above. Really hammered the ducks.
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An elegant solution.
Avoiding the longer physics involved that I posted but for some reason has not shown up…Basically, a specialized piezoelectric material compound (‘advanced compounds’ in the article) under mechanical stress force of bullet impact with drone (or ‘robot’) generates a localized EMP pulse that kills the drone (or ‘robot’) electronics and the bullet its self causes physical damage.
This avoids the limitations and (possible or actual) local detrimental effects of generating the EMP pulse from a distance with a localized system. It also avoids the limitations and (possible or actual) detrimental effects of frequency jamming as modern day more sophisticated drones (and ‘robot’) systems can used a combination of spread spectrum and encryption techniques and/or pre-programmed actions to avoid the effect of frequency jamming (i.e. most commercial drones today, amazon delivery drones, small military drones, some personal hobby drones).
So, and EMP pulse generated at the drone (or ‘robot’) avoids all all this, plus it also means no power source to power it.
We’ve experimented with this in the lab in the past, and it works there. These guys have taken it to a more practical level.
An elegant solution.
Avoiding the longer physics involved that I posted but for some reason has not shown up…Basically, a specialized piezoelectric material compound (‘advanced compounds’ in the article) under mechanical stress force of bullet impact with drone (or ‘robot’) generates a localized EMP pulse that kills the drone (or ‘robot’) electronics and the bullet its self causes physical damage.
This avoids the limitations and (possible or actual) local detrimental effects of generating the EMP pulse from a distance with a localized system. It also avoids the limitations and (possible or actual) detrimental effects of frequency jamming as modern day more sophisticated drones (and ‘robot’) systems can used a combination of spread spectrum and encryption techniques and/or pre-programmed actions to avoid the effect of frequency jamming (i.e. most commercial drones today, amazon delivery drones, small military drones, some personal hobby drones).
So, and EMP pulse generated at the drone (or ‘robot’) avoids all all this, plus it also means no power source to power it.
We’ve experimented with this in the lab in the past, and it works there. These guys have taken it to a more practical level.
what the heck is wrong with TTAG? Posts not showing up when posted, but don’t go to moderation and when you try to re-post says its a duplicate comment.
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Skynet.
Any turkey shot will do the job. We’re not dealing with T-1000’s here.
The sort of drones that would be in shooting range are pretty fragile.
Now if you think you’re going to be shooting down Reapers with your Maverick 88 or Turkish 1911, well, you’re probably an idiot.
Patented a MG round that contains energetic in the nose and a tracer as a fuse to either hit drones and detonate or self destruct in mid-air. Even powdered metal bullets of Copper do the “electrically conductive” trick. Computer fire control makes the hits…see: Aimlock.
EMP from millivolts of raw power out of crystal powder, Booger? Look up piezoelectric accelerometers…or Marx wands. EMPs melt fine wires, he’s talking shorts or out his posterior. Experimented? Who’s we? What lab? An actual EMP is over 1 million electron volts per cubic meter…
“EMP from millivolts of raw power out of crystal powder, Booger? Look up piezoelectric accelerometers…or Marx wands. EMPs melt fine wires, he’s talking shorts or out his posterior. Experimented? Who’s we? What lab? An actual EMP is over 1 million electron volts per cubic meter…”
wrong.
“An actual EMP is over 1 million electron volts per cubic meter…”
100% false. An actual EMP is a pulsed electromagnetic field of which there are two types – Bipolar RF (radio frequency) pulses and Gaussian pulses, it can vary in intensity. The piezoelectric method produces Gaussian pulses.
Who’s we?
I do energy physics for a living, I’m a trained and experience physicist. I work at a lab that does energy physics (among other things) stuff for commercial and government contracts. We’ve experimented with the ‘piezoelectric material’ EMP pulse generation, a lot of energy physics labs have and its not really a new idea but it works. Its only a matter of how its applied. It does not take “over 1 million electron volts per cubic meter…” or melting “fine wires” to either fry (meaning: internally, integrated circuits are very sensitive to a sudden rise in current generated in them by an EMP pulse induced current, some or all paths in the IC can separate by the spot heat generated by a sudden induced current thus in effect ‘fry’ internally) or disrupt electronics in drones.
Brother Grimm,
I don’t know if there is some sort of standard definition of the field intensity required to be an official “EMP”. I think .40 cal Booger is applying a more general definition where something creates a time-varying electromagnetic field that only lasts for a very short duration of time. Hence a very general characterization of an “Electromagnetic Pulse”.
Basic Physics tells us that time-varying electromagnetic fields induce currents in conductors. The only question, in this case, is whether or not the short-duration time-varying electromagnetic field which these bullets allegedly create is strong enough to induce sufficiently large currents (and hence sufficiently large internal voltages) in the electronics of drones to damage/disable them. The Physics and Mathematics to predict/determine that is, let’s just say awful/impossible for 99.9999% of us mere mortals.
it doesn’t take much at the device for modern day electronics, at the ‘target device’, less than 0.1 mW peak with a time less than 10 ns, to cause disruption.
heck, triboelectric material alone can produce, on average, ~100 times that on contact. when you do the static thing walking across carpet, on average, you produce ~100 times that.
“Electrically disruptive projectiles”?
Will they stop a T-1000 Terminator?
This sounds like an April Fool’s Day article, but it’s almost four months too early!
There was a company making a big plastic super-soaker gun that would basically operate like a t-shirt cannon (like they use at concerts). Only it would shoot a net. The net would be balled up and would travel quite some distance before opening up and spreading out kind of like a randomized web from spiderman’s web shooters.
By opening up, all the different strands of the web would just splay out in all directions. All you have to do is snag one propeller of most drones. At that point, you either break the propeller or the net gets tangled into that propeller and maybe others too. Worst case scenario, you miss, reload, and try again. Next best case, you disable one prop and create an unbalanced situation for the drone’s computer, and it can’t shoot steady video.
Best case scenario, you bring down the drone, either slowly due to the weight of the net exceeding the capability of the drone’s motors to compensate, or you bring it down … um, “catastrophically”.
Osprey,
I thought of that very same method to neutralize drones. I also figure that it will be virtually impossible to launch a balled net much more than about 50 feet or so, which is useless if the drones are several hundred feet or higher in the air.
Osprey,
Your comment inspired a different although similar method to neutralize drones: somehow placing a long string in the path of a suspect drone where the suspect drone’s propellers suck in the string and foul up the propellers or the propeller shafts.
That method might require a drone with a long string hanging off of it to fly above the path of the suspect drone. That is a potential advantage since advanced drones will allegedly evade another drone approaching too close. The only disadvantage is requiring a drone with a string in the first place.
You might want to believe the Old Crow guy who built the E2 array for S-Cubed to simulate nuclear pulses at Kirkland AFB. You know, the one AF1 is under? That takes cargo containers of capacitors and a pulse forming network with a huge coil.
Or you could believe a guy who likes out of date cartridges, up to you. Product will be gone in a month…not needed, issued bullets work fine. Did we look up the Aimlock or Smart Shooter? Join NDIA, learn about the state of the art and then speak?
PS: Yes entanglement works, see Fortem Robotics over DC…
@uncommon_sense
“ha ha ha. Another good one!”
Early Christmas present.