Doctors, Guns and You

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By Dr. John Edeen

What do you do when your doctor asks if you own a gun?

You are at the pediatrician’s office for a routine well child visit. Maybe you just moved to a new town. The nurse hands you the standard paperwork with the questionnaire pertaining to your child’s health. You start filling out the form and right there . . . question number 14 . . . “Do you have a gun in the home?” It’s right after the question about swimming pools and right before the one about household cleaner storage.  What do you answer?

First, the presence of this question is no accident. In the 1980s and 1990s professional medical organizations declared a culture war on gun ownership. This includes the American Medical Association, American College of Physicians and the American Academy of Pediatricians.

The incoming AMA president in 2001 stated, “What we don’t know about violence and guns is killing us…researchers do not have the data to tell how kids get guns, if trigger locks work, what the warning signs of violence in schools and at the workplace are and other critical questions due to the lack of research funding”.

The AAP’s 2012 position statement is typical. It advocates removing guns from homes and communities. It advocates for the strictest possible legislative and regulatory approach to prevent firearms injuries and deaths. It recommends counseling patients about the dangers of allowing children and adolescents access to guns in and out of the home. It advocates for safe storage and gun locks but preferentially recommends complete removal of firearms from the home.

They state that the presence of firearms in the home increases the risk of lethal suicidal acts among adolescents. They advise counseling parents to remove or restrict access to guns, especially when children with mood disorders, substance abuse or prior suicide attempts reside in the home. They further advocate consumer product regulation regarding child access, “safety” and firearm design. They also advocate that law enforcement track legally owned firearms.

They further push for regulations aimed at illegal sales to minors. They claim that evidence supports the effectiveness of regulation of firearms that limit the access to children. They also want decreased destructive power of handguns and ammunition, “smart gun” technology and safe storage. They encourage legislative actions including waiting periods, closure of the “gun show loophole”, mental health restrictions and background checks. They also want the “assault weapons” ban restored.

The AAP is pushing for the funding of research aimed at prevention of firearms injury. They also encourage the education of physician and professionals interested in the effects of firearms and how to reduce morbidity and mortality associated with their use.

It is important to note that the establishment public health and medical communities fail to account for the up to 2.4 million defensive gun uses annually. They also inflate the number of “gun violence” deaths by 200% by including suicide by firearms. They typically ignore the research of the criminologist and economist community. Also, much of what the AAP is asking for is already law. Unfortunately, the medical community will be unable to answer the question of “gun violence”.

Their focus is on the gun and not the violent actor. They can urge passage of all kinds of restrictions and laws that affect law-abiding citizens, but they are naïve to think that the criminals will obey their laws and obtain firearms via supervised legal channels. Thus, the aim of gun control is not the gun but control.

The AMA, ACP and AAP have aggressively campaigned for doctors to advise patients to get rid of guns. We must understand some very important facts:

  1. Doctors receive absolutely no training about firearms safety, mechanics or tactics in medical school or residency.
  2. Gun ownership is a civil right. A doctor’s abuse of his position of trust to pressure you to give up that civil right is professionally and morally wrong. You DO NOT have to tolerate it.
  3. As a consumer, you have great power in the physician-patient relationship. USE IT.

This type of unprofessional behavior by some physicians led to Florida’s Firearm Owners Privacy Act in 2011. This law was enacted to stop physicians from misusing their position to push a political agenda. This abuse of authority is called an “ethical boundary violation”.

  1. The 2011 FOPA forbade physicians from pressing patients to give up their firearms or otherwise propagandizing using the doctor-patient relationship.
  2. It precluded routine documentation of firearm ownership.
  3. It did not preclude inquiring when relevant to patient care, safety concerns or unstable person’s access.
  4. It did not forbid doctors to provide general information.

Unfortunately, the 11th U.S. Circuit Court overturned the law in February 2016. The only provision upheld was that gun owners cannot be treated differently simply because they are gun owners. Also, no patient can be turned away when seeking medical care because the doctor does not approve of his answers to gun ownership questions.

In response to this, David Codrea, in his February 22, 2017, Ammoland article, “Pro-Gun Owner Physicians Decry ‘Docs vs. Glocks’ Ruling” introduced us to his Firearms Safety Counseling Representation: Physician Qualifications and Liability Form. The form was developed in collaboration with the late Joe Horn, LA County Sheriff’s office, Retired, Risk Management Specialist.

In Part One: Qualifications, it asks physicians to list their specific courses of study and certification/accreditation for giving firearms safety advice in the home. It asks physicians to certify that they have reviewed the applicable scientific literature pertaining to defensive gun use and beneficial results of private gun ownership.

They are also asked whether they have reviewed other relevant home safety issues with the patient including: electricity, drains, disposals, compactors, garage doors, driveway safety, gas, broken glass, stored cleaning chemicals, buckets, toilets, sharp objects, garden tools, home tools, power tools, lawn mowers, lawn chemicals, scissors, needles, forks, knives, etc.

The doctor is then asked to state:

“I represent that I have sufficient data and expertise to provide expert and clinically sound advice to patients regarding firearms in the home.

OR

I am knowingly engaging in home/firearms safety counseling without certification, license or formal training in Risk Management, and have NOT reviewed applicable scientific literature pertaining to defensive gun use and beneficial results of private firearms ownership.”

Part II: Liability asks physicians to document whether their malpractice insurance covers such counseling and to accept liability for any injury or death that results from patient following their advice. A “Yes” to either question is highly unlikely.

DRGO’s advice is as follows:

  1. Politely refuse to answer the question.
  2. If the question appears on your health plan questionnaire, file a formal complaint with the health plan.
  3. If the heath plan responds with the excuse that their questions about your guns are standard medical practice that they must follow, file a complaint with the state agency that regulates health plans.
  4. If the doctor persists in asking intrusive questions about guns in your home, you can file a complaint against him or her with the health plan.
  5. You can rate the physician on an internet rating site such as Yelp.com, Healthgrades.com etc.
  6. Medicare and insurance companies will often tie reimbursement rates with patient satisfaction surveys. You may have an impact if you report the unethical behavior regarding your guns to the payor.
  7. If the conduct is especially offensive, you can submit a complaint to the State Medical Board for an ethical boundary violation. This is a serious accusation and will be addressed by the Medical Board.

However, I have some advice myself as well:

  1. You can choose to lie or shade the truth. “I don’t own ‘a’ gun”, Tom Gresham of Gun Talk radio has said numerous times. “It is not a sin to lie to somebody who doesn’t have the right to know the truth.” Remember, in the age of electronic medical records, the government and who knows who else have access to your records. They can and eventually will be used as a backdoor gun registry.
  2. Have David Codrea and Joe Horn’s Liability Questionnaire handy when you go for a medical appointment.
  3. You have the option to fire the doctor and seek care elsewhere. DRGO has a matching service for helping find Second Amendment friendly providers. It is called 2Adoc.com and is free and confidential.
  4. You can report the anti-gun zealots to their State Medical Boards for their Ethical Boundary Violations.
  5. Please visit DRGO.us to find more resources regarding this and other Second Amendment related medical topics.

 

Dr. John Edeen is a pediatric orthopedic surgeon in San Antonio, TX and is active in seeking the right to carry for qualified hospital staff. He is Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership’s membership director.

This article originally appeared at drgo.us and is reprinted here with permission. 

comments

  1. avatar Mike Crognale says:

    I leave it blank. If they question it, I don’t answer. Works. The other method is to write N/A in ink next to the response.

    1. avatar Rick the Bear says:

      Yup.

      1. avatar Red Pill says:

        You don’t want to be known as “A Difficult Patient”…

        …the AMA is watching, right Elaine?

        1. avatar Donttreadonme says:

          None of their damn business!

    2. avatar I Haz A Question says:

      I’ve never been asked this question by any doctor or medical professional, in any office or organization. Yet.

      1. avatar jwm says:

        Same here. Every visit they try to get me to take a flu shot. I turn them down. But guns never come up.

        1. avatar Rusty - Always Carry - Chains says:

          Yep, I have had the same doc for over 20 years and that question has never come up. If he or his nurse ever asked my reply would be: no, do you recommend I get one?

          Neither the insurance company, nor the government deserve a truthful answer to that question.

    3. avatar Top says:

      That’s the same approach I use when they ask for my SSN on the office form. I leave it blank and when they ask for it I politely say “You don’t need that” and the conversation is over. (Your physician has no need for your SSN in order to be reimbursed.)

      1. avatar ‘liljoe says:

        They need it for the collections company if you don’t pay your bills.

    4. avatar Don from CT says:

      Leaving it blank is an answer.

      Just dont do the form at all. None of it.

    5. avatar Anonymous says:

      Not applicable! Love it.

      Because it really isn’t applicable, for why you are there.

    6. avatar The Crimson Pirate says:

      I think “Fuck off and die!” would be the correct response.

      Or maybe write “Does the doctor enjoy anal sex?”

  2. avatar VicRattlehead says:

    What do you do if they ask; one of two things:
    1) Lie. It’s none of their business so I feel no moral obligation to tell them the truth, especially knowing it will be used against me later if they can find any way to.
    2) Find a new Dr. It’s doubtful this particular Dr. is the only game in town.

    1. avatar Lost Down South says:

      Turn the tables on them. Ask them personal, non-relevant questions:

      – When was the last time you had invasive anal sex? Did you use a condom?
      – Can I have a copy of your tax records for the last 5 years?
      – When did you stop injecting / snorting heroine?
      – etc. get creative

      None of your FGD business. Now fix my ingrown toenail.

      1. avatar Justsomeguy says:

        What kind of boat will I be making a payment on today?
        Is that your Ferrari in the parking lot?

      2. avatar strych9 says:

        What is non-invasive anal sex?

        1. avatar Don from CT says:

          Its like not inhaling.

          I’m told David Hogg does this to Mike Bloomberg regularly.

        2. avatar Ragnar says:

          In sex vocabulary, it’s known as “Roman”. It’s not quite “Greek”.

  3. avatar Skippy says:

    Even if you have or find a 2A-friendly physician who knows you have a gun in the home, can (will or must) he/she include that info in your patient information, thereby making it party of your medical record?

  4. avatar Dude says:

    I was asked a couple of years ago by the nurse that comes in first asking all of the other questions. Before I could say anything, she said you don’t have to answer that.

  5. avatar Dave says:

    I’d reflexively say no. Leaving aside the fact that going to medical school teaches you precisely dick about firearms, it’s no one’s business but my own whether I own a firearm or not.
    Besides, I’m sure any answer other than no would be considered a de facto yes on any such records.

  6. avatar MADDMAXX says:

    How about a simple NO, it’s not a congressional hearing you’re not under oath they can’t send you to prison for 7 to 9 years so screw em, it’s none of their business…..

  7. avatar Jr says:

    I’ve never been asked, although if I was I would just say no, trying not to smirk at the fact that I in fact had one on me at the time (or lightly concealed in my pile of clothes in the corner If I was already undressed

    1. avatar VicRattlehead says:

      I had a physical towards the end of last year for work and when the ‘drop your drawers’ part came up I informed the Dr. I was carrying a firearm and would need to remove it. Well, apparently I conceal it very well because the Dr. kinda stood there stunned, like she REALLY wasn’t expecting that. She didn’t make a big deal of it though and I just kinda laughed to myself at her reaction.😂

      1. avatar John Hull says:

        I’m surprised you still had it on in the doctor’s office. Here, if I did that, I’d be hauled off to jail. It is illegal to carry inside churches, medical facilities, schools, etc.

        1. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

          Gun laws differ in different states, dude…

  8. avatar Ironhead says:

    Had my doctor ask me that directly once. I told him it’s none of his business, left the exam room, got my medical records and left. I know have a doctor that asks questions that pertain to my visit. No idle chit chat, straight to business. I like that.

  9. avatar cellude says:

    As a physician/surgeon myself I tell my wife to just put N/A. We know about gun safety and more about firearms than all the pediatricians I have met. I personally feel they need to focus more on childhood obesity and preventing head trauma which kills more kids yearly.

    I only discuss firearms with patients when we are talking about which next purchase to add to the collection.

    1. avatar StLPro2A says:

      Doctors need to remain “in their lane”. Medical malpractice kills more individuals annually than all gun deaths…even the inflated anti-gunner numbers.

  10. avatar Steve says:

    Texas, How many kids you got?

  11. avatar kevin says:

    You can also tell the truth. I’m an adult. I have no need to lie to my doctor about anything.

    When we had one of our first kid’s first pediatrician visit, my wife asked something about the nuances of formula brands or baby food or something like that. He basically cut her off and said , “all the major brands are the same. What I really care about is whether you have a swimming pool, whether your house is child proofed, and whether your kid is up on her vaccinations. Those are the things that make a difference.”

    If your pediatrician ignores the big ticket items to go on a political tear, then its time to get a new doc.

    1. avatar MADDMAXX says:

      until your doctor is an anti-gun liberal and decides to red flag you as a POSSIBLE threat to yourself and/or your family… Try to get your life back to normall after that… Whether or not you own a gun has nothing to do with your physical health which should be your doctors only concern.. personal possessions should be of no concern to any physician…

      1. avatar kevin says:

        “until your doctor . . .decides to red flag you as a POSSIBLE threat to yourself and/or your family”
        Who said anything about this? I agree that false reporting should be prosecuted for the crime that it is (false declaration is perjury), but this isn’t an issue here.

        “personal possessions should be of no concern to any physician…” Child proofing a home is pretty standard fare for any doctor counselling a pediatric patient. It’s an appropriate conversation to have. Railing on about gun control is obviously not. I would have no problem with a doc saying: “Ok good, no pool. Anything else dangerous that you have around the house, medications, poisons, power tools, guns, keep ’em out of reach.”

  12. avatar anaxis says:

    When the VA asks, tell them nothing.

    Finding another doctor isn’t an option for a lot of us.

  13. avatar Ark says:

    Just lie. Fuck ’em, if they’re going to betray the integrity of the relationship in order to fellate an outside political cause, they’re not entitled to your honesty. You decide what’s relevant, you are the final arbiter of the care you receive, you are not obligated to play their game.

    Remember, the quack across the table from you is part of an organization whose members kill over a quarter million Americans every single year through their own incompetence. He has incomprehensible amounts of blood on his hands. You have none. You owe him nothing.

  14. avatar Dan says:

    Just say no. If they ask you if you want drugs. Then say yes.

  15. avatar harry323 says:

    My favorite question on “the questionnaire” was – Do you wear a motorcycle helmet? I always answer no. My doctor gave me a short lecture on motorcycle safety one appointment to which I commented – but I don’t ride motorcycles…

  16. avatar RocketScientist says:

    Happened once a few years ago, doc asked me if I owned guns. I replied with a question “Are you still able to sexually satisfy your wife?” He turned red-faced and a bit upset “EXCUSE me?!?”. I replied “I’m sorry, I thought this was the part of the interview where we asked each other personal questions that aren’t any of our business and have nothing to do with my medical care”. Needless to say found a new doctor.

  17. avatar Kendahl says:

    I’ve never been asked and, of course, don’t volunteer such information. If they really wanted an answer, I think I would reply in the affirmative and be prepared to counter a lecture about the dangers of firearm ownership. My attitude would be that I’m the expert when it comes to firearms and the doctor needs to learn from me.

  18. avatar strych9 says:

    Answer with “No. I used to but a year or so back I was most of the way through a 12 pack and a pint of rum when I needed to move my backhoe… which started a largish fire… before the trench collapsed… just before the power lines came down… while I was trying to relight my joint… at that that point the fire spread to a couple of adjoining structures… which created a small flood due to the burst pipes… which is just before I dropped the heroin rig under the gas pedal… probably because I took my eyes off the neighbor’s kids… So, long story short, my guns were destroyed and insurance hasn’t paid out because I didn’t have riders…”.

    It’s more entertaining than ya’ll talking about boats.

    1. avatar strych9 says:

      Also try to finish with “And that’s why car seats kill more kids than they save.”

      1. avatar AzureRaptor says:

        “And that’s why they made me sit over there on the bench with ‘Group W'”.

        1. avatar Klaus Von Schmitto says:

          The mother killers and father rapers?

  19. avatar Jonathan-Houston says:

    My GP and I both go to the same range and have tried out each other’s guns a couple of times over the years. So that cat is out of the range bag.

  20. avatar tdiinva says:

    Ask him when was the last time he/sex with their intimate partner?

  21. avatar Five says:

    I leave it blank. Do the same thing when they ask for your social security number.

    After our first kid, we missed a bill from one for the various labs, ridiculously small amount. It went off to a collection agency that then made an illegal report to the credit bureaus. Of course it got removed after a few months, but the lesson there, don’t give the doctors office your SS, leave it blank.

  22. avatar Jeff says:

    “The nurse hands you the standard paperwork with the questionnaire pertaining to your child’s health. You start filling out the form and right there . . . question number 14 . . . ‘Do you have a gun in the home?’ It’s right after the question about swimming pools and right before the one about household cleaner storage. What do you answer?”

    Don’t answer ANY of those unrelated questions.

  23. avatar Swarf says:

    “I don’t answer non-medical questions on medical forms” is my go to.

  24. avatar Phil Wilson says:

    I was asked this by a pediatrician about 20 years ago. Actually, we didn’t have any firearms in our apartment at the time, so it was an honest “no.”

  25. avatar George says:

    I do not have A gun . Honest answer if you have several !

    1. avatar Nam62 says:

      I was just going to say the same thing. Technically you are not lying to the question do you own “A” Gun. I also own more than one!

      1. avatar Phil Wilson says:

        Clinton-like parsing. I won’t swear I’d never do it, but I would feel like I needed a shower after.

  26. avatar Cruzo1981 says:

    Our pediatrician looked at me with surprise, when he looked down at the questionnaire and found that I had answered with, please stick to questions about my child’s health, this has nothing to do with that. I have filled out the form since then and have found that the firearm question was removed. I live in Texas, I guess I wasn’t the only one who wrote in a response…🤣😂😅😂😂😂😅

  27. avatar uncommon_sense says:

    Pretty much everything introduces risk into your life.

    Any sport could cause physical injuries or even a fatal heart attack. And just about any sport also produces health benefits from exercise and a countermeasure to stress.

    We could also say pretty much the same for just about any hobby or utilitarian object/activity.

    If a physician is Hell-bent on demonizing firearm ownership, ask him/her to explain the benefits as well as the drawbacks and assist with a risk versus benefit analysis. They might be surprised to learn that the benefits outweigh the risks in many instances.

  28. avatar Tim says:

    Mine told me he was required to ask but not to write it down. We then proceeded to discuss guns and ammo the next 30 mins.

    1. avatar Wayne says:

      So that is why my appointment was running so late!! LOL

  29. avatar John Hull says:

    I either don’t answer, or lie, because they don’t any right to ask that. If they press, I tell them to mind their own damn business.

  30. avatar Matt in Oklahoma says:

    We don’t put up with that round here

  31. avatar former water walker says:

    Well I’m at the medicare age. I have been asked. My answer is “what’s this gun you speak of”? They also ask BS about depression & suicide. And domestic violence. No little kid’s in the home. I volunteer NOTHING..

  32. avatar Richard Turner says:

    First fill in the question with N/A and then ask where you can find out how many of the 440,000 deaths very year from medical mistakes and errors the doctor is responsible for. This number has been confirmed by a number of organizations. Of the number of people who die in America each year 17% (2,700,000 X .17) are medical mistakes. The number who die by guns has been decreasing for years and at this time is 33,000/year of which 22,000 are suicides and studies show this number would not change much where there no guns, in fact suicides have been on a steady increase. Of the rest, 11,000, 65% are gang related and the rest are homicides and accidents. When it comes to semi-auto weapons (rifles & shotguns) (?assault weapons?) the number of deaths per year is down to less than 600. The number who drown per year is 3,800. Facts.

  33. avatar Aven says:

    My doctor never asks because she lives just above me and drives by my house several times per dayl She sees and hears me and my guns frequently.

  34. avatar Chiefton says:

    My wife worked for the head of a Psychiatric Hospital. Her boss was a psychiatrist. I know this may sound strange but he was one of the smartest people I have ever know. I was an LEO and he was very pro-law enforcement and I learned a tone from him in dealing with the mentally unstable. We also talked about children. The topic came up about denying children the chance to eat candy or other things. He stated that to just leave the candy out for them and they will monitor it themselves. He said they may eat a ton of it for a while but the novelty of it will wear off quickly and they will rarely eat any. He was correct. We left the Holloween candy in a bowl and threw it out at Easter time. Their friends would come over and two hand it down because they were not allowed at their homes. This even worked for them after a short while. As I thought about it, my dad was also an LEO. We knew that he kept his sidearm in the top drawer of his dresser. He would show us it, take us shooting and teach us to properly handle it whenever we wanted. There was never any mystic about guns at our home so we never even went to look at it when my dad wasn’t around. No need to as he would show us any time we asked. Gun safety starts at home with proper education and training. The majority of doctors do not have a clue on how to accomplish this and have no business in what I do at home. The government is not allowed in my home nor is my doctor.

    1. avatar SoBe says:

      I learned firearms safety first from my grand father and then from my father. Both were doctors and both believed the same as you said. Once you remove the novelty in the eyes of the child of the firearm, the child will go find some empty box to play with. I was introduced to firearms as a toddler, under responsible supervision, “Here, hold it, touch it, are you bored with it yet?” I did get their version of Cooper’s rules and they were strictly applied even to toy guns. I never had the curiosity to go play with the real firearms; I had my toy guns. There were more exciting things to play with in the world. When I was I my preteens, it was time for serious training. In addition to air rifles it was out to the range with hand guns, first .22LR then .38’s and finally .45acp in 1911. Later on came rifle lessons. Eventually magnums. It was, here kid we’ll teach all of it.

  35. avatar joe says:

    While I’ve never been asked, I beat them to the punch. When I see a Dr. for the first time, especially if he/she is going to be seeing me on a regular basis (Medical Dr., Dentist ect) I ask them that exact same question. If I get a simple yes or no then no harm no foul If they become upset. I politely tell them that I am not a criminal because I own and use firearms. I then quietly get up and leave never to return, In addition, I also let my family and friends, who are also big on the 2nd amendment know about this medical professional and to avoid them because of their politics.

  36. avatar LasVegasBret says:

    Gun ownership is NOT a civil right!!!

    Gun ownership is a NATURAL right.

    Civil rights can be created, amended, infringed, and revoked.

    Natural rights can’t.

    How are we expected to preserve our rights if no one understands them?!

    1. avatar strych9 says:

      “How are we expected to preserve our rights if no one understands them?!”

      Ironic you ask this immediately after demonstrating that you don’t understand them.

      Owning a firearm is not a natural right any more than having big, powerful muscles is a Natural Right.

      Life is the natural right from which, through a couple of branches we get the legal right to own a gun. Defense of that Natural Right is a logical outgrowth of your Natural Right to Life. The right to use the best tools at your disposal grows from your right to self defense. Your right to own a gun grows from your right to do the best you can do to defend yourself.

  37. avatar possum tracks says:

    Most gunshot victims do not have medical .insurance..

    1. avatar GS650G says:

      And in Chicago most shooters do not have insictments.

    2. avatar MADDMAXX says:

      If it’s done properly they won’t need medical insurance..

      1. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

        *SNICKER*… 😉

    3. avatar possum tracks says:

      Point being, hospitals and the state are losing Money on these people, of course the medical industry’s going to speak of gun control..

    4. avatar SoBe says:

      No, they don’t. That is why they end up in public hospitals where people like me work on them for free and marsupials like you pay the hospital and pharmas with your taxes.

  38. avatar RCC says:

    The only doctor who I talk about guns with is a mostly retired one I occasionally coach at shotgun range.

    About 15 years back I had a clay target come off thrower in pieces including backwards as I was about to shoot. I needed stitches at local hospital. I put it down as work accident rather than have someone call police for a shooting.

  39. avatar Brad says:

    I usually say, “I wouldn’t answer that even if I did.” But I know that all they write down is, “Declined.” That’s probably a worse red flag than a simple, “Yes.” Somewhere in the bowels of bureaucracy a faceless Acorn clone writes down, “The worst kind. Owns guns and knows his rights.”

  40. avatar Ralph says:

    I’ve never been asked. But when one of my docs asked what I do for a living these days, I told him straight up. I sell guns. He responded by saying “I agree with the NRA. People who want a gun should have them.”

    I liked his statement so much, I let him stick his finger up my culo. Oh, I should mention that he’s my urologist checking my prostate.

    1. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

      Ralph, I got my first prostate exam while I was in the Trauma ward about a year back with a crushed ankle. And I wouldn’t mind another from her again.

      A drop-dead *gorgeous* 30-ish Haitian woman with most delightful Island accent.

      It was memorable since I was catheterized at the time and didn’t need a Kleenex afterwards. She kinda looked at me funny as I was chuckling to myself, so I explained I found the absurdity of the whole situation so humorous. She likely rightly found me a lunatic, but I found a mess-free prostate exam funny as hell, considering the circumstances of a leg swollen 3X the size and floating on Percoset… 😉

      1. Same here! Sounds good to me! Better than some guy effeminate soy drinking guy asking you do the same! Hospitals in my area certainly are in no shortage in this department!

  41. avatar GS650G says:

    I don’t answer questions that are going to be used by insurance companies, hospitals and government researchers. And eventually gun grabbers.
    I don’t put a social security number on the forms either.

  42. avatar RayS says:

    I took Nancy Reagan’s advice, and just said no and left it at that. I keep my gun ownership low key. When I head to the range, I put my stuff in the truck while in the garage. Why poke the bear.

  43. avatar The Grey Man says:

    My old doctor was an angler who carried a magnum when he went fishing in Alaska… He never asked if I had guns…

  44. avatar Top says:

    If a doctor is going to ask if I own a gun, they might as well ask if I own a car, which is infinitely more dangerous for and to both adults and minors.

  45. avatar Wayne says:

    I go hunting with my doctor, so I guess they know. LOL

  46. avatar rt66paul says:

    Don’t ever tell them that you ever smoked, even if you quit 45 years ago. The first question they ask is if I am still smoking……….. It really makes me angry and they usually don’t ask a second time. That and the 20 questions with faces on them to tell them about “how I feel”(designed to show that I am depressed). I circle all the smiley faces and leave the rest blank………
    It is like they are asking if I have stopped beating my wife/kids/dogs – it just makes me angry.

    1. Oh, the medical community and insurance company blame game…Most Hospitals won’t tell you if they detect something unusual…. They secretly hide shit now a days… Another Big Brother Zone…Only geared to helping illegal Aliens… Run under DNC type politics…..Don’t be white, and part of the man splanning political spectrum…

  47. avatar Truckman says:

    I asked my Dr. what he thought about guns being he is not from here and what he said was he thought it was great that we could have them an should keep them and the right because where he was from they could not own them but if I ever run into that problem with paperwork will put N/A because I don”t have any kids around if I have any of my grandchildren around there is none that they can get ahold of

  48. avatar Mack The Knife says:

    I had a family doctor in Orange Park, Florida that asked ownership on a questionnaire before it wasn’t cool to own a firearm. The next thing that happened was that my young son was questioned by him. The last straw was when my wife called me at work from the doctors office. They skipped over her a couple of times and when my wife questioned what was going on the doctor came out and gave her an anti gun lecture in the waiting room in front of all the other patients. Of course we changed doctors.
    This happened just months prior to Florida creating a law to bar doctors from questioning
    Patients about firearm ownership. Sad, that the Florida Supreme Court has overturned that law. God strike the AMA!!!
    Lucky for us our doctor going on 20 years now is also a pro 2A advocate, hunter, shooter and concealed carrier. My wife gets mad a me for using the last 10-15 minutes of my appointment to shoot the sh-t about the shooting sports with him. You may even see a number of NRA and shooting magazine s on the table of the waiting room? Also, soon after we left the anti doctor, the word got out from other patients as well and he is nowhere to be found now in OP, FL.

  49. avatar Old Guy in Montana says:

    For those readers who have not yet downloaded the

    FIREARMS SAFETY COUNSELING REPRESENTATION form

    from the article…you should. It is a hoot to read. I will have to take a copy with me to any new doctors that I “encounter” as I age. It is a two page download: the first is the Form and the second is an explanation and justification for the form. My thanks to Mr. Codrea and Mr. Horn for their ingenuity and creativity…and to Dr. J. Edeen for including it in his article.

  50. avatar M says:

    I think not answering or putting N/A is pretty much a yes. Just write no instead.

  51. avatar Chris Morton says:

    If the doctor asks if you own firearms, ask him or her, “Have you ever been sexually attracted to a child under the age of ten?” End of “conversation”.

    1. avatar Filing HIPAA Violation Complaint says:

      I would have asked, “Are you still attracted to children under the age of ten?” and ,”Are you still beating your significant other?” and “When did you stop sexually gratifying your intimate partner?”

  52. avatar It’s Time to Repeal Air,Food,Water 4 crazy liberals! says:

    https://drgo.us 2Adoc.com Will Connect Patients with Gun-Friendly Providers

    https://drgo.us/join-drgo/pro-2a-provider-request/

    Physicians swear to certain ethics & commit boundary violations by pressing anti-gun messages on patients or asking about gun ownership!

    Always tell them u don’t own guns or inform them they are committing boundary violation unless they are experts in the gun world have have advanced degrees in firearms & crime!

    U may want to remind them Doctors cause over 440,000 deaths a year through medical mistakes & guns save more than 3,000,000 lives a year!

  53. Massachusetts has been doing this very thing. Especially in Hospital Emergency Rooms. A Lot of Private Hospitals are anti civil rights. The local hospital in my are is more like checking into a ‘court house or prison’. With armed private guards screening people for ‘ weapons or contraband’ at metal detector checkpoints. All carrying ‘ Big Police State Attitudes’! Don’t get caught with toe nail clippers or Grammy’s Knitting needles! Police State, its where your at! Tyranny, its where you’ll be!

  54. avatar Mater says:

    Unless I have a gun shot wound or the gun is inserted into a body part it doesn’t have anything to do with my health.. i don’t tell my plumber when my kid is sick or my mechanic when I need a new roof…

  55. avatar Mater says:

    I think if a dr ever asked me I’d ask who built his office because obviously we were talking about stuff that didn’t matter a s&”t… ha

  56. avatar SoBe says:

    As a trauma surgeon with over 30 years experience in facial gunshot wounds and a member of DRGO I call out the AMA. The American Medical Association has a policy opposing “the use of ‘reparative’ or ‘conversion’ therapy for sexual orientation or gender identity.” I propose that in equity they should stand up for our rights and adopt a policy opposing “the use of ‘reparative’ or ‘conversion’ therapy for firearms ownership or Second Amendment Identity.”

  57. DRGO would not need to exist if these professional medical organizations stayed in their lane!

  58. avatar Canon says:

    I was asked a few years ago and looking the doctor straight in the eyes calmly said “none of your f’ing business” It never came up again. My 13 year old was asked by her physician and for what may be the first time ever, flat out lied. Even she realized it wasn’t relevant to getting checked out.

  59. avatar neiowa says:

    “pediatrician”? – Go find a real doctor that was smart enough to pass all the Dr courses.

    Pediatricians are for useless high maintenance soccer moms.

    1. avatar MADDMAXX says:

      Pediatricians are for useless high maintenance soccer moms.

      Really??? I mean you ARE joking RIGHT? You can’t possibly not know what a Pediatrician specializes in…….

  60. avatar Red says:

    First, I’ll tell him that is no concern of his and this will be the last time I’ll be seeing him. Then I’ll walk out and never return.

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