We told you about a recent DGU at the bafflingly named New York Store Western Outfitters in Walla Walla (the city so nice they named it twice). There were conflicting reports as to exactly where the burglar, career criminal Cesar Chavira, was finally dispatched. That’s not an insignificant detail as it could determine if the shooting will be deemed legitimate self defense or whether John Saul – the store owner who also lives there – carried the fight too far after there was no immediate threat to his life. The local po-po . . .
still haven’t finished their investigation and aren’t talking. But perhaps egged on by the example of the reaction to the Trayvon shooting, Chavira’s family is expressing outrage to anyone who will listen.
Tony Munoz, Chavira’s brother, said he knows that his brother made a mistake but he should not have lost his life over it.
“We just want justice, and, we’re gonna fight,” Munoz said. “This could be for anyone’s kid…it’s terrible it happened to us, but it could’ve happened to anybody.”
Yes, it could have happened to just about anyone caught breaking into a home and business at 2:30 a.m. Cesar was just a victim of circumstance and rampant racial profiling. If the President were Hispanic, his son would probably have looked just like Chivira.
In response to the ruckus raised by the dead gangbanger’s family, kvewtv.com reports that Saul’s supporters have scheduled rally outside the New York Store this Saturday. Not to be outdone, Team Chavira have scheduled their own rally for justice Monday evening in the same location. Look for vigil candle sales to spike in eastern Washington state before this one is resolved.
Sounds like Saul better call Saul….
Sorry, I just can’t resist…
Awesome! Saul rules!!!
Tony Munoz, Chavira’s brother, said he knows that his brother made a mistake but he should not have lost his life over it.
If you don’t want to end up dead, don’t do those things that leads to death. At the end of the road of violent crime lies a dark figure, his name is death and he’s waiting for you.
Wouldn’t it be fun if both sides were heavily armed? Then they really would be duelling rallies.
It never ceases to amuse me that families who breed a criminal really don’t give a shit until said criminal gets popped. Then it’s “my poor son, he made mistakes but nobody deserves to die for this.” Say what? Dropping the toast jelly side down is a mistake. Burglary isn’t a mistake, it’s a crime. Maybe if the parents had done their jobs better little Cesar would still be among the living.
I see it every day on the Detroit news stations.
My all time favorite was a serial rapist who stalked the city in January/February 2010. He violently and brutally raped seven women that he was convicted for, and is suspected in as many as eleven rapes that fit the same MO.
After the sentencing, when pressed for comment, the criminals mother said, “He was a good keeid. Owno why dis haffa happen to him.”
He was a good kid.
I don’t know why this had to happen to him.
In all fairness, I suppose that has to be tough, though – as a mother, finding out that through neglect of your responsibilities, you have created a monster.
“finding out that through neglect of your responsibilities, you have created a monster.”
Was there actually evidence that it was his mother’s neglect that made him a monster, or is it just always the mother’s fault?
Both parents, actually, but yes – always the parents fault. Always. Without exception.
Save the butthurt. Not everything has to be a civil rights movement.
As the facts emerge in the Zimmerman/Martin shooting, much of the air seems to have fizzled out of the balloon of minority outrage over the incident. I work in Walla Walla each month, and no locals there have expressed any regret at the death of this scumbag gang-banger. The corpse’s family will probably have to pay people to show up. and protest.
Maybe they can bus over a few dozen professional May Day rioters from Seattle? They’ll stick out like sore thumbs in conservative-leaning Walla Walla by their gas masks and black Che Guevarra T-shirts.
This situation bears no resemblance to the GZ/TM situation, as you seem to be trying to link them. This gangbanger was in the middle of a crime. TM was walking down the street. (Is it that hard is it to figure out the difference?)
I live in walla walla, and it is correct that almost no one feels bad for the gangbanger. I have talked to some left-leaning friends and the response is fairly similar–he shouldn’t have died over it. (Though they are hardly are lining up to protest with the family.) Of course I and a great many other people don’t have a problem with what happened. He did get justice. We all got justice. As it turns out, you can significantly reduce your risk of exposure to gun violence if you refrain from criminal activity.
One small fact, if you will: Trayvon Martin was straddling a neighborhood watch volunteer, punching him in the face and beating his head against the concrete, when his exuberant youthful ‘wilding’ was rudely interrupted by a 9mm hollowpoint from Zimmerman’s Kel-Tec PF9.
It doesn’t say much for Martin that he wasn’t committing any *other* violent felonies, before committing the one which got him killed.
Dude – we don’t know what precipitated the fight, we don’t know how one sided it was (since dead people don’t tent to develop bruises from wounds incurred shortly before their deaths) and we don’t know how serious the beating Zimm received was.
What we do know is that the kid was unarmed and was breaking exactly no laws, and intended to break no laws, at the time of his encounter with Georgie boy.
I ain’t taking sides, here, and lord knows the media wants us to, but I do know for certain that kid didn’t deserve to die.
What we do know is that the kid was unarmed and was breaking exactly no laws
Blinky Pete, we know that he broke one law — assault. How many does he need to break?
Live in Walla, like Chris said the only people who are sad are the the garbage gang he was in.
Munoz said. “This could be for anyone’s kid…it’s terrible it happened to us, but it could’ve happened to anybody.”
to anyones kid no, not the kids who follow the law and know right from wrong. Ive heard from more then one LE officer here that the “victim” had been in and out of court system since he was 12
Sounds like a certain family is trying to cash in on the Trayvon hullabaloo.
Not to mention ever single thing he said was false. No, it couldn’t happen to “anyone’s kid,” only kids that decide to be felons. No, it wasn’t a “mistake,” he made the conscious choice to be a felon. Yes, he did deserve to get shot over it, just like any criminal. You go on and “fight for justice,” (read: preferential treatment) too bad you weren’t fighting for justice when your kid was still alive.
The attitude is no surprise: an irresponsible parent with no concept of justice and law bred a similar child.
My thoughts exactly. ….but he was such a good little child…he just made an innocent mistake…
Sorry, you created a little monster from hell.
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My thoughts exactly. ….but he was such a good little child…he just made an innocent mistake…
Sorry, you created a little monster from hell.
When I read those familiar statements about dead criminals it becomes a little clearer why they were in that situation in the first place
“It never ceases to amuse me that families who breed a criminal really don’t give a shit until said criminal gets popped.”
You got that right Ralph. I once had to notify the family of a popped burglar of his very recent demise. The only thing his mother said was “What color was the guy who shot him?” The next question was “They shot him just for breaking into a house?” Those two questions said it all.
Yeah, but was Chavira a “White hispanic?”
This is getting really tired. People, educate yourself about what “Hispanic” means. It’s a really broad, really fuzzy category, and yes, it includes all racial types, including whites.
Hispanic is generally considered white. As far as the gov’t is concerned there is ‘white Hispanic’ and ‘white non-Hispanic’.
Remember Roberto Clemente? He look white to you?
I’m not making judgment calls on the tone of any given individual’s skin, I’m telling you how the government classifies Hispanics, it’s the same as Whites, which the generally accepted subcateogory of White Hispanics and White Non Hispanics. You can get into genetics if you want (which would lead you to mostly the same conclusion, since most of the ancestors of Hispanic people came from the same continent that white people came from), I’m just telling you how the boxes get checked in the US.
From the U.S. Census Bureau, Hispanic Population of the United States, Definition and Background
http://www.census.gov/population/www/socdemo/hispanic/hispdef.html
“Tony Munoz, Chavira’s brother, said he knows that his brother made a mistake but he should not have lost his life over it.”
No. A mistake is putting on one blue sock and one black sock rushing to get to work in the morning.
Criminal behavior is a conscious choice to violate the rights of others.
I could see someone accidentally committing certain offenses, such as trespassing or something like that. Burglary isn’t one of them. That’s one that seems pretty dang deliberate to me.
What they are trying to say is shooting a criminal is a violation of his/her civil rights. If someone wants to pursue the trade of criminality, they should be required to join a union, then they would come under the protection of the federal government. Every vote counts. (By the way, people that steal a few billion dollars seldom get shot).
“(By the way, people that steal a few billion dollars seldom get shot).”
Let’s get one thing clear here. Chavira was not killed for stealing. He was killed for threatening to (and trying to ) shoot innocent people. The fact that he was stealing at the time is only “supporting evidence” that goes to motive.
the words no PC Nimrod / Gangster wants to hears ..
.. YOUR ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES ..