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Daily Digest: Moose On The Lam Edition

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Crosman MAR177 PCP Conversion Kit courtesy crosman.com

Dale writes: “In keeping with the site’s new interest in Airguns, you might find it interesting to know that Crosman makes a ‘10 meter precision PCP’ upper to fit on an AR lower.” Crosman says the upper has a removeable 10-round rotary magazine, rifled and choked free floating Lothar Walther™ barrel, airstripper, carry handle and a Picatinny rail system that accepts all mil-spec options for the sight system you prefer. $650 from Crosman. . .

Another data point in the question of “How big is an arsenal?” comes with the arrest of a Long Beach, New York man last Friday. Police arrived to investigate a disturbance call, and when the man let them into the house (whoops!), they discovered four assault weapons, four handguns, two shotguns, 38 large-capacity ammunition clips, and more than 4,700 rounds of ammo. The Long Beach Police Commissioner described it as an “arsenal” in a statement on Monday. What say you, AI? Is 10 guns and 5000 rounds of ammo enough to constitute an “arsenal?”

This one is just as Tom in Oregon sent it, because it really can’t be improved. “A moose hunter in Norway accidentally shot a man who was using the toilet. According to News.Sky.com, the rifleman was aiming for a moose, but his bullet pierced a wooden wall of a vacation home behind the animal and struck the man. The man, in his 70s, was rushed to the hospital by helicopter and his injury was not thought to be life-threatening. The hunter was detained for questioning. The moose escaped unharmed.”

Bill E. writes: “Amazon has introduced a new system where it will donate 0.5% of your total sale to a charity of your choice – at no cost to you or the charity. You can choose your charity, which includes several NRA programs, The Second Amendment Foundation, local pro-firearm organizations, and more. You just have to go to smile.amazon.com to make your purchases instead of the normal amazon.com. Other than that, everything works the same as it did before.” I set mine to the Revolutionary War Veterans Association, which is the organization that runs the Project Appleseed shoots.

TTAG believes in safety first as a general rule. I’ve been known to say “safety third.” That said, I think we’re in agreement that learning from the mistakes of others is better than making them yourself. In line with that thinking, I offer the following safety tip: You might wanna move.
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  1. They should change their name from Mom’s Demand Action to Mom’s Need the D. When they don’t get the D, they get irritable. Would tell them to eat a snickers.

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  2. Crap, I just had a big order from amazon for a new scope and other stuff. Wish I knew about the charity thing beforehand. Oh well, next time for sure.

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  3. According to Webster’s one meaning of arsenal is a place where weapons are stored. Therefore the usage is correct in this case.

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  4. Freedom and Liberty are NOT what the sanford police require for their watch program….I would have to pass on any of these type programs….

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  5. It doesn’t matter how many guns, ammo, or mags a person has, they can only effectively fire one at a time. The media acts like because there is more than one inanimate object that it increased the uber scary dangerousness of the guns!

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  6. The first take of that scene from Scarface: “Meet my little friend.”
    The director decided that this angle just didn’t work with the rest of the movie.

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  7. Picked up a Tavor this week and put 200 rounds through it today. Trigger pull is hard but not grity. Maybe my trigger finger is getting stronger, maybe I’m getting use to the trigger or maybe, just maybe, it seemed to get a little easier. I do not have a trigger gauge but I think it is getting a wee bit better. This is a CQB. It doesn’t have a Geissele, Timiney or even a Rock River trigger, but I find the trigger OK and worth the trade off for the bullpup design.
    Using Wolf 62 gr FMJ, Centurian 55 gr FMJ and an AimPoint PRO, 8″ round plates at 100 yards was boringly accurate. At 200″ yards with the dot turned down low, and benching it, 12″ by 12″ rectangle plates were consistant. No problems with the gun at all.

    Would like to stretch it out to 300 and 400 yards but a 200 yard range is all I can get to.

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  8. I have a Canadian Ross Mk III (1910) .303 that is fun to shoot, and surprising accurate. It originally equipped Canadian troops in WW1 until it was replaced in 1916. It loads from 5 round stripper clips.

    The straight pull design is very fast to cycle, but it takes some “getting used to” forcing the bolt home on a loaded round.

    I read anecdotes about the improperly re-assembled bolts firing without locking, resulting is horrendous injuries to the shooter, so I am EXTREMELY careful when reassembling it after a thorough cleaning.

    Many Canadian units used this model Ross as a sniper rifle due to its outstanding accuracy.

    Some (very few) of the Ross rifles were converted in 1916 into .303 light machine guns, the Huot Automatic Rifle, which took a 25 round drum.

    More details on the Ross:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_rifle

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  9. I’m a white guy who has a couple guns who lives in Alabama…. I’m the stereotype who they are putting up. One of the first people I would call to back my ass up in a STHF scenerio is an friend of mine who happens to be African American.

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  10. I bought a Golden Boy Sierra about a year ago, and still can’t bring myself to take it to the range. Picking up a blued octagon, won’t fret over that as much.

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  11. IMHO: If the dead/injured guy is positively ID’d as a convicted felon and the guy who did the DGU isn’t one= case closed. Return the good guy’s gun and bury/bandage the bad guy. If any other persons are injured or killed or property damaged 100% of legal/civil liability goes to the bad guy, who’s actions necessitated the DGU, no matter who’s bullets did the damage. In nearly all cases police are given the benefit-of-the-doubt following a DGU so should all citizens be given the same unless they are convicted felons.

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  12. Had that been the real LBPD that discovered aforementioned ‘arsenal’ they wouldn’t bat an eyelash. I speak of course of the LBC popo. You all might think that Cali is one big aint-gun liberal hippie wasteland, but people in LB are tooled up a lot better than you might think. A big plus is that the LBPD spends most of their time going after real criminals and not pulling people over for going 47 in a 45. I ‘interacted’ on more than a few occasions with the LBPD in regards to neighborhood rowdiness, and on most of those occasions, after inquiring about their duty weapons, I ended up debating the relative virtues of 9mm vs 45, and which 12ga loads were best for a suburban/urban environment. Can’t really say anything about them or their regard for the 2nd Amendment.

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  13. I know ammo is expensive, but $650 for an airgun upper seems rather expensive. I can buy a whole new ar-15 for that kind of money. Or if want to go the airgun route, could use that $650 on a big bore air rifle.

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  14. i am from kansas city KS. this sounds lke something that all the RINOs (most of which subscribe to the whole “guns kill people” argument instead of the “people kill people” argument) that inhibit that douche magnet of a city would do. same with overland park and lenexa. i cant stand johnson county KS and all of uppity mornons that live there. i know i just made a broad statement about a lot of people and i know a lot of people from there that arent how i described, but its a common sterotype here that gets proved way too often. everyone here would laugh their asses off at the local media and how they portray all of these challenges. the biggest was the one in overland park, who declared open carry okay, but then everyone made a dash to put up the free fire zone posters as if it was going to stop a bad guy. one of the local news stations interviewed some guy from a anti gun place who was all proud about those signs and how those of us who legally carried a gun cant carry there or else. it was so funny cause the moron was so happy about that, but you could tell he knew it wouldnt stop a crazed gunman. so it was like he was happy he made it possible for a nutjob to succeed and no one could stop it.

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  15. “The mothers of America call on this Congress to…”

    I suspect that she might be campaigning for herself in a future political run for office.

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  16. actually, a better response may be to organize a boycott of every advertiser in G&A to put pressure on the rag to fire this a$$clown

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  17. I for one would like to see more debate on the meaning of “the people” in the text of the 2A. At the time it was written it didn’t simply mean human beings, after all, slaves weren’t allowed to buy or own guns (and non-resident aliens and aren’t allowed to now). At the time “the people” generally was interpreted as “the virtuous citizenry” or some similar concept.

    To the extent regulation is justified (and SCOTUS says some is) it seems like the definition of “the people” is where the justification comes from. If you are part of “the people” you rights cannot be infringed, if you aren’t they can. If you have done something to remove yourself from the virtuous citizenry (sufficiently serious crime) or are incapable of exercising virtue due to age or mental illness a reasonable argument could be made that you are not a member of “the people”.

    If this theory is accepted the next question is of course where are the lines. In the past the lines were all too often based on race, but thankfully we are past that. Instead the question is what things are sufficient to remove you from “the people”?

    Should five year-olds be able to buy guns? They are people but are they “the people”? What about a person so delusional they think they are on mars and buying a ray gun? What about a convicted violent criminal just released? I suspect most people (and the founders) would agree they shouldn’t until the get older, get mental health treatment so they are operating in reality, or demonstrate a pattern of reform and good behavior (if the rights are ever to be restored). Is that a betrayal of the right, or a recognition that while the right sweeps broadly it doesn’t apply to everyone?

    Fwiw, that would be consistent with a host of other rights that are limited by age or behavior/mental capacity, such as voting, jury service, or freedom of movement that can be denied based on behavior/mental capacity.

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  18. I subscribe to almost all of the magazines that Intermedia outdoors puts out. I will be calling them on Monday to give them notice. Either retract the article and fire Mr. Metclaff, or I’ll won’t be renewing any of my subscriptions. Simple as that.

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  19. hmm…at 5-10 feet, laser the perp who runs off, who then calls cops on you for pointing gun at him, next convince a jury of your peers why it was time to pull the gun up, but not time to shoot…to me, the laser in a defensive use kinda falls into the warning shot category -good for the conscience and perp…potentially hard on ones on freedom, earning potential and family life.

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  20. Hey guys, remember when “patriot” was a positive word? One that evoked a sense of independence and freedom from tyrrany? And the willingness to fight for those things? That’s how I was taught growing up…

    These folks are trying to turn it into a dirty word. G.W.’s administration attempted to make it a synonym for nationalism, now it’s an “extremist” and “hate” word, according to these authoritarians at this “Law Center”.

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  21. None of this matters to anyone living anywhere except the big cities. That’s the only place where a thermonuclear device or an anthrax test tube or a machine gun would be considered a weapon of mass destruction. LIBERTY LIBERTY LIBERTY. Stop infringing on our right to be armed. That includes onerous registrations and training requirements and outrageous 9 month wait times for the ATF to infringe on our right to own suppressed hunting rifles. STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT NOW. There are NO reasons to infringe except to coddle people living in the big cities. WTF do I care if a suitcase nuke goes off in Miami harbor? How exactly is that going to affect me in Gunbarrel City Texas? If Washington cannot stop its incessant infringment on our rights, then Texas will just secede.

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  22. The Violence Policy Center is really one person, Josh Sugarmann. He is a freedom crushing propagandist. His publications are a joke and wouldn’t stand up to any form of academic peer review. This guy loves confusing people when it comes to guns.

    “Assault weapons—just like armor-piercing bullets, machine guns, and plastic firearms—are a new topic. The weapons’ menacing looks, coupled with the public’s confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons—anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun—can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. In addition, few people can envision a practical use for these weapons.” Josh Sugarmann “Assault Weapons in American”

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  23. Can’t agree with people who call 300 Blk a waste in general. Yes, if you want supersonic only, a 7.62×39 or 7.62×51 would be fine. Getting a reliable subsonic suppressed round out of those in semi-automatic is problematic. The whole point of 300 blk is to offer optimized subsonic capability for the AR platform, while still offering performance at least on par with AK when supersonic. So… if you never plan to go suppressed, yes, 300 blk may be a waste, but if you plan to go suppressed subsonic, it’s the best option in an AR platform.

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  24. I was a fan of lasers until I got really serious about defensive gun use training and learning how to deploy a sidearm as quickly as possible. I became convinced a laser can and will slow you down as you spend time watching it and getting it on target instead of learning how to shoot quickly using your front sight and point shooting at the kind of close distances that are the norm in a defensive gun use situation.

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