Cops Bring Out the Big Guns for Boston Bombers Police Procedure by Robert Farago | Apr 19, 2013 | 119 comments facebook twitter linkedin email comments In Memphis says: April 19, 2013 at 09:18 At least his EOTech is mounted in the right direction Reply sdog says: April 19, 2013 at 09:20 ah you beat me to it! Reply EagleScout87 says: April 19, 2013 at 09:21 +1 Reply Bob says: April 19, 2013 at 09:21 +1! Reply Dyspeptic says: April 19, 2013 at 11:04 +1! Reply John Boch says: April 19, 2013 at 11:51 That’s exactly what I was lookin at. Reply Paul T. McCain says: April 19, 2013 at 12:54 OK, I admit it, that was my first thought too. Reply Rydak says: April 19, 2013 at 09:19 Go get em boys! (Rob…keep paying your taxes!) Reply Matt says: April 19, 2013 at 09:23 Finger off the tigger until he’s ready to shoot. Good to see. +1 to the great eotech comment. Reply uncommon_sense says: April 19, 2013 at 09:23 So now we know why the Department of Homeland Insecurity wanted all those 1,600 or so MRAP (Mine Resistant Ambush Protected) armored vehicles from the military. Reply utdmatt says: April 19, 2013 at 09:26 Actually around a dozen if I remember right sense. Of course they could WANT that many, but it was the marines that got 1600. Infowars is 80% batty and 20% right, so take what they say with a grain and all that. Reply uncommon_sense says: April 19, 2013 at 10:09 Ah, about a dozen rather than 1,600 — thank you for the correction. Reply utdmatt says: April 19, 2013 at 10:15 heck, even drudge picked up on infowars saying that, but the youtube guy that ttag likes to link to (vuurwapenblog) showed how info twisted stuff like crazy and just outright lied to make the story. tm1968 says: April 22, 2013 at 01:48 Do you have a link for the vuurwapen relevant posts/videos that you reference below? I’m having trouble finding them. I’m not doubting you. I know that info wars is mostly paranoid speculation. I was just interested in seeing what vuurwapen had to say. Reply Kory says: April 19, 2013 at 10:18 On a similar note, why do all of these cops have assault weapons? Who are they planning on assaulting on our peaceful streets? If it would only save one life, they shouldn’t have those types of weapons. /sarc-off Reply Mike S says: April 19, 2013 at 09:24 Hey- nice to see it being used for what Its for, instead of a kid growing weed in his bathtub. Reply Jon L says: April 19, 2013 at 09:25 and is the a 1911 on his hip? looks like it has the right angle and the grip safety Reply Mike S says: April 19, 2013 at 09:28 Chit chatted with with one of those guys when he was working a detail. The 1911 is authorized for officers in the Special Operations duvision. Reply SCS says: April 19, 2013 at 09:30 That is what I thought, also. Reply tdiinva says: April 19, 2013 at 10:05 Listen up Glock fanboys. When the going gets tough, the tough reach for John Moses Browning’s masterpiece. Just had to say that. Reply Gunracer1958 says: April 19, 2013 at 10:54 YUP!!!!!!!!! Reply ProfBathrobe says: April 19, 2013 at 16:26 Why not use both? Reply Jack Dubious says: April 19, 2013 at 19:12 The Browning Hi-Power? Reply Jake says: April 19, 2013 at 09:26 Now if only then didn’t feel the need to “practice” on innocent Americans on a regular basis… Reply Buuurr says: April 19, 2013 at 09:27 They need dogs… What better thing to hunt a man with then a dog? Reply In Memphis says: April 19, 2013 at 09:28 German Sheppard in the pic with the APC Reply Buuurr says: April 19, 2013 at 09:30 Awesome. Now they can find ’em. Reply Human Being says: April 19, 2013 at 12:31 Awesome. They managed not to shoot a dog within 10 feet of them. Saul Feldstein says: April 19, 2013 at 09:28 So, the only ones armed in MASS are the cops and the terrorists, well, how safe is that? Reply Greg in Allston says: April 19, 2013 at 09:37 They’re not the only ones armed in the Commonwealth. Not by a long shot brother. Reply Adam on Cape says: April 19, 2013 at 09:40 Agreed, Greg. Reply Saul Feldstein says: April 19, 2013 at 09:44 MASS gun laws are completely onerous and anti 2nd Amendment, 10 rd mag limit, high cap rifles banned, pistol permits only available through the whimsy of LE, etc etc etc… Shotguns aside, my point remains. Greg in Allston says: April 19, 2013 at 10:04 Saul, it’s a very common misconception that MA is largely an unarmed state what with all of our onerous gun laws and stuff. And make no mistake, those laws are onerous. That said, the citizens of this state own and use plenty of standard capacity mags (grandfathered and not), many thousands of modern, militarily useful semi-automatic long arms, and a whole bunch of other stuff. My gun club has two machine gun ranges for NFA weapons owners and a couple of the guys at the club own muzzle loading cannon. Did you know that a MA resident can get a cannoneers license from the state fire marshal? Sure, MA isn’t AZ. But we’re not living in the 18th century either. Reply jwm says: April 19, 2013 at 11:24 Yep, as bad as the laws are in California I’ve managed to fill a safe with guns. And we are a large market for the gun industry. Reply Accur81 says: April 19, 2013 at 11:57 I’ve managed to fill three, but the .338 doesn’t fit very well, and it doesn’t even have a scope yet. jwm says: April 19, 2013 at 12:30 I got a couple of Mosins that won’t fit because they’re too tall. So I lock their bolts up instead. Terry says: April 19, 2013 at 09:29 I see some non-compliant magazines there… Reply Safety first says: April 19, 2013 at 09:30 No eye protection at a bomb suspects location. Reply Paul T. McCain says: April 19, 2013 at 12:56 Always great to hear from the Safety Susies during an ongoing operation. Reply CarlosT says: April 19, 2013 at 13:03 Because as we all know, you’re so much higher speed and lower drag with some debris in the eyes. Reply Shenandoah says: April 19, 2013 at 09:38 Shows just how many resources and men it takes to go after two suspects. And people really think that as few as 1% of Americans couldn’t effectively resist a tyrannical government? With any sort of wide scale resistance in the event of a hostile government, the entire country would be shut down, the economy would utterly implode, food shortages and riots in every city, soon to be followed by global chaos as things spiral down the toilet bowl. So yeah, that 2nd Amendment isn’t as impotent as the statists try telling us. Reply uncommon_sense says: April 19, 2013 at 10:18 Agreed. And we saw the same thing in Southern California a few weeks ago when the former Los Angeles police officer was a fugitive. Now imagine if a coordinated effort occurred in two dozen cities at the same time and those people threw in some tainted mail, set a few chemical factories on fire, and fouled up a major airline’s computer system to boot? Don’t get me wrong. I am not condoning that anyone who considers themselves a “patriot” go sending tainted mail to people, setting factories on fire, or messing with the computer systems of private businesses. What this does illustrate, however, is how easy it would be for a foreign government to start a war and how quickly our police resources would be overwhelmed. And no, that was not an argument for an even larger police force. It is an incredibly compelling argument for why we need responsible, good citizens to be armed and able to step up if the proverbial sh!t really hits the fan. Reply Randy Drescher says: April 19, 2013 at 11:48 Don’t forget roadside bombs, after screwing our constitution they wouldn’t have a leg to stand on in court…well, anywhere actually, Randy Reply Nor'Easter says: April 19, 2013 at 11:25 Very true Shenandoah and a sobering moment for all sides in this matter. I think it demonstrates the limits of violence for problem solving and the importance of taking strong, political action before it comes to that. The mess this can make is – as you say – indescribable and I believe even the most dedicated grabber wouldn’t want that. Since both this and the Dorner case involved police causalities I doubt they are anxious to sacrifice themselves for the greater glory of same ambitious political hack either. Strangely enough, this also demonstrates another reason the Founding Fathers wanted an effective Militia that’s often forgotten. I mean the idea of “domestic tranquility” in that they could keep order and fend off any cabal or coup by an undemocratic minority, or in modern parlance – terrorism. The wisdom of these paragons still amazes me. Reply Human Being says: April 19, 2013 at 12:36 What you also don’t mention is that many LE and active-military formations would be on the Constitutional side of any such confrontation. Recall the open letter from retired Rangers from a couple months back. Reply The Original Brad says: April 19, 2013 at 15:08 +1 Reply Joe says: April 19, 2013 at 09:39 Is that Derek jeeter in the first pic? Reply EagleScout87 says: April 19, 2013 at 09:42 ^lol. His baseball season is over till the ASB, so he hitched a ride with the NYPD up to Boston. Reply Eric says: April 19, 2013 at 10:44 At least it’s not shaq and the Florida sheriff Reply Rydak says: April 19, 2013 at 09:39 How sweet would it be if an armed citizen end this shit? Reply Steve Case says: April 19, 2013 at 09:48 I truly hope this evil doesn’t get the the chance to visit innocent civilians but if it does I hope it’s met with armed resistance. Good luck to those of you near this scene. If you’re fortunate enough to own a firearm now would be the time to make sure it’s handy and that your spare mags are on your person. Reply Azman says: April 19, 2013 at 09:48 An armed citizen would get shot to pieces by the cops. Smart people stay away from an area like that. Er…unless you live there of course. Reply Chas says: April 19, 2013 at 10:13 That would only be the greatest gift to gun owners and the ultimate slap in the fact to the gun grabbers. Reply Michael Bluth says: April 19, 2013 at 10:42 Only so long as the armed citizen isn’t a former police officer. Ideally, not a veteran, either. Reply keithco88 says: April 19, 2013 at 09:42 Do cops & mil not wear ear protection at all? Nothing seems to be built into the helmets. Do they just have soft ears in? Reply EagleScout87 says: April 19, 2013 at 09:43 pretty sure the mil doesn’t use any ear protection, you need to be able to hear commands, and your surroundings at all times in that type of situation. Reply RSmith says: April 19, 2013 at 09:52 Thats what Surefire EarPro is for… Reply Shenandoah says: April 19, 2013 at 09:59 Thanks, answered my question. Accur81 says: April 19, 2013 at 12:08 I use those when I’m deer hunting with my .460 revolver. A few .30-06, .308, .45-70, .30-30 out of a rifle without ear pro isn’t too bad. Plus, you can claim hearing loss when you forget all the stuff your wife wants you to do. Shenandoah says: April 19, 2013 at 09:55 Something I’ve always wondered about. Repeated exposure to an M240 without ear protection can’t be too healthy. Could they use something similar to a Walker’s Game Ear that amplifies low decibel noises and blocks out anything above a certain threshold? Reply Rob says: April 19, 2013 at 10:00 Surefire EarPro is where its at. They are cheap, block high db noises, and allow you to have conversations. http://www.surefire.com/tactical-equipment/hearing-protection.html matt says: April 19, 2013 at 10:01 If they wore ear protection then they wouldn’t be able to milk the government for disability payments. I’ve also wondered why the can’t use radios and something like Peltor COM-TACs. It would seem to make sense, since it is a little bit hard to understand what someone is saying when there is active gunfire. Anon in CT says: April 19, 2013 at 10:21 That’s where my chronic tintin comes from. Actually, on jungle lanes and other “moving and shooting” ranges I would plug the rifle-side ear, and leave the other open. Reply Chad Patterson says: April 20, 2013 at 08:04 The military DOES use hearing protection. Most of the high tech civilian hearing protection products out there are simply civilianized versions of a product that was originally produced under military contract. Reply Andrew Wood says: April 19, 2013 at 09:59 Why is all of this militarization necessary??? Friday and Gannon, and their 5-shot .38 snubs should be all that’s needed here!!! *SARCASM* Reply Jaberwookie says: April 19, 2013 at 10:09 I was thinking a double barrel shotgun through the door or maybe just fire “two blasts” into the air and scare him out so he will give up and this should all be over with! Sorry, couldn’t resist… Hope they get him quickly! Reply Accur81 says: April 19, 2013 at 12:09 No double barrel shotguns anywhere?! Shocking. Reply jwm says: April 19, 2013 at 12:32 I need to get me one of those double biden shotguns. I understand if you use one to fire into the air or thru a door you get a “get out of jail free” card from that white house in DC. Sixpack70 says: April 19, 2013 at 13:27 If the police just lay down their weapons, the suspect will just walk out and give themselves up. At least that’s what Frankenstein said when Dorner was running around… Reply Jon L says: April 19, 2013 at 09:59 It would appear the guy in the turret opening is flagging the piss outta his fellow LEO’s in the first pic. I don’t know what the roof line of the APC is though so best case he would just pop one off the armor plates in front of him. Reply denrobare says: April 19, 2013 at 11:32 I noticed that myself. Reply Henry Bowman says: April 19, 2013 at 10:01 What a demonstration of the ability of the state at all levels to unify militarily and violate constitutional rights en masse, supported by state media and massive weaponry. Reply Frodo B. says: April 19, 2013 at 10:20 Go read another conspiracy book. Open warfare brought to US streets means leeway by the government in dealing with it. Reply Henry Bowman says: April 19, 2013 at 10:39 Oh, I forgot that it’s okay for government to violate people’s rights if it has a “good” reason. Heck, since it’s “open warfare” on “US streets”, they should just round up all the citizens and put them in holding camps, so that the only ones left outside the wire will be enemy combatants. Reply jwm says: April 19, 2013 at 11:29 So Henry, how would you deal with this situation? matt says: April 19, 2013 at 11:52 When was there “open warfare” on US streets? Are you living in the 1860s? Reply Chris from Iowa says: April 19, 2013 at 10:02 So that is why there aren’t any Pmags in stock anywhere… Why do only some of them have vertical foregrips? They would be so much more deadly if they had vertical foregrips. Especially with the pistol grips allowing them to easily spray bullets into crowds of people. Reply matt says: April 19, 2013 at 10:09 Why do they have armored vehicles if they all ride on the outside? Seems rather counterintuitive. And its nice to see that the FBI spared no expense, hydrodipping their ARs in woodland camo. Why do the Transit Police have their own SWAT team? http://www.trbimg.com/img-1366371279/turbine/chi-manhunt-for-boston-marathon-suspects-pg-003/1280 Why is his weapon being pointed at something with the safety on? http://www.trbimg.com/img-1366374542/turbine/chi-manhunt-for-boston-marathon-suspects-pg-022/1280 Reply Henry Bowman says: April 19, 2013 at 10:14 The FBI wouldn’t be able to sneak up on cabins in the Idaho woods if their ARs were black. Duh. Reply utdmatt says: April 19, 2013 at 10:21 Not gonna get into the whole arming leos thing right now. But as for riding on the outside, that is so they can quickly deploy. Standard practice is to use the armored car as a shield when closely approaching the suspect or to deploy gas/breaching charges. If you’ve ever watched a swat show, the guys never pile out of an armored vehicle on scene. They’re either riding outside, or they jump out of a van or truck with double doors to get out fast. Reply matt says: April 19, 2013 at 10:36 So these guys are doing it wrong then? http://www.policemag.com/_Images/blogs/M-SWAT1-web.jpg matt says: April 19, 2013 at 10:38 And you can’t ride on the running boards on these: http://www.wstoa.org/images/team_profile_pics/yakima.jpg http://policecars.trafficdan.com/PENNSYLVANIA/MONTCO/CentralMontcoSWAT/tank%20002.jpg Personally I always thought they rode on the outside to look cool. And it is kind of hard to use it as cover during the approach when people are on outside on both sides utdmatt says: April 19, 2013 at 11:40 That’s a lightly armored big truck with double doors matt, not an armored APC. I doubt that truck could stand up to rifle rounds, apc’s can and are a lot smaller then that usually. matt says: April 19, 2013 at 11:45 Look at how thick the doors and windows are. And APCs are smaller? Have you seen how big a MRAP is? utdmatt says: April 19, 2013 at 13:49 No quick deployment from inside this. http://worldonline.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/photos/2005/09/02/na_KATRINA_APC_t460.jpg?926875e5be5f93a8dc1e86b8d949ee54b77d1e0d Rydak says: April 19, 2013 at 10:21 Why is the sky blue? seriously man….did you really ask “Why is the safety on?” Reply matt says: April 19, 2013 at 10:28 Then why bother pointing the weapon at something. And isnt there a reason we keep our fingers off the trigger? Reply Paul T. McCain says: April 19, 2013 at 12:57 Matt, the Boston police need you on the scene, offering them your helpful advice. Get going! truthbetold says: April 19, 2013 at 10:26 And your “spare no taxpayer expense” hydrodipped carbine, appears to be a $10.00 “spare no taxpayer expense” krylon or Aerovoe job. spf Reply matt says: April 19, 2013 at 10:30 Do you really think they all took their weapons home and did it in their free time? Reply truthbetold says: April 19, 2013 at 10:43 Ok BCG, you got me. I spent 1.5 to 2 whole hours of “spare no expense taxpayer’s” dollars on my duty carbines krylon job. Damn it all, I used personally-owned spraypaint. Looks like I need to fill out a Claim for Reinbursement. spf matt says: April 19, 2013 at 10:55 Its nice to know that you respect public property enough to do a shitty job. Rather than disassemble, mask off, and paint only the appropriate areas, you painted it assembeled. Its also nice to know you used the cheapest product available which isnt even rated for temperatures firearms generate, unless you painted yours in only white, black or beige. Just wondering but what is it going to cost your city/county to remove the paint when you leave your job? truthbetold says: April 19, 2013 at 11:27 grasping at straws… tjlarson2k says: April 19, 2013 at 10:48 The most efficient way to stop a bad guy with a ____ is a good guy with a gun. Except the govt doesn’t think that applies to armed citizens. Shame. There’s a reason why law-abiding citizens are called good guys and criminals are called bad guys. Because that’s what it’s about. Good people vs. Bad (evil) people. Because it doesn’t make sense. Any child playing cops vs. robbers knows this truth. It’s about the people, not their tools. When is the last time you heard that struggle called “good gun” vs. “bad gun”. That’s how moronic the whole anti-gun debate is and why you got slapped down by the Senate. Reply Eric says: April 19, 2013 at 10:52 So, when is Obama and holder going to break out the drones? Reply g says: April 19, 2013 at 10:54 Good to know they’re looking for the bad guys, but just to be safe… I wouldn’t go out. Or drive any vehicle that even looks remotely close to aforementioned bad guys’. Reply Bill says: April 19, 2013 at 11:12 with the checkpoints in boston, the lockdown in that suburb, militarized police all over, it almost seems like a dry run for martial law. Study this well boys, study this well. Reply jwm says: April 19, 2013 at 11:34 They are actually looking for a terrorist, a bombing suspect. Not a purse snatcher. FLAME DELETED Reply matt says: April 19, 2013 at 11:56 How can someone be a terrorist if they are a suspect? And what evidence is there that the suspect had political goals they were attempting to further by the bombing? Reply jwm says: April 19, 2013 at 12:17 matt, the proof of my above Flame Deleted. Reply Paul T. McCain says: April 19, 2013 at 11:55 It’s always really impressive when Internet surfers, sitting on their arses, in the comfort of their safe basement or office, work so hard at second-guessing and criticizing law enforcement during an ongoing operation. Really cool and inspiring. Eye roll. Reply matt says: April 19, 2013 at 11:59 Thats right subject, you’re not allowed to criticize the kings men! They are infallible and simply doing gods work. Reply Paul T. McCain says: April 19, 2013 at 12:58 Matt, they need you out there to offer them helpful suggestions. Hope you can be of service out there, so get going. We are all really, really impressed, I’m sure. Reply Ralph says: April 19, 2013 at 11:58 The cops are after one guy, so why are they carrying assault weapons that have only one purpose: to kill as many people as possible as quickly as possible. I don’t get it. Reply Matt from Idaho says: April 19, 2013 at 13:51 Apparently, that weapon is suitable for defense? Reply Greg says: April 19, 2013 at 12:35 Looking at some of these pictures, I can’t help but be reminded of all the reservists in the forest scene from the original Rambo First Blood movie. BINGO! I got em! Reply JC says: April 19, 2013 at 13:29 Lots of drop leg holsters…a sure sign of the tacticool geardo who has little actual experience.. Reply The Original Brad says: April 19, 2013 at 15:15 So are the balaclavas. No tacticool officer is compete without one. Reply Erik in Texas says: April 19, 2013 at 14:08 It appears as if the Army of The Potomac has reappeared… Reply AM says: April 19, 2013 at 17:23 So all of this is for one man? All of Boston occupied for one man. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Reply OODAloop says: April 19, 2013 at 22:53 FINALLY! We paid for all that shit and they’re finally using it. Thank God that we’re getting our money’s worth! Reply Totenglocke says: April 19, 2013 at 23:35 This, ladies and gentlemen, is why I laugh when people call LEO’s / soldiers “brave”. There’s nothing brave about hundreds of heavily armed men going after ONE guy. Reply jwm says: April 20, 2013 at 01:30 Tote, you do realize your statement says a whole lot more about you than any of the cops or soldiers you think you’re deriding. right? Or were you expecting a hollywood hero cop like McClane or Callahan to insert into the neighberhood and handle business? Reply Totenglocke says: April 20, 2013 at 05:32 I never said it wasn’t necessary or effective to accomplish the goal. I merely said that there is nothing brave about it. It’s similar to claiming someone is “brave” for dropping a nuke on a drug dealer while he’s at home sleeping. It’s sad that the worship of government thugs is so ingrained in our society (well, most societies) that even those who have the most to fear from said jack boots are so eager to defend them. If it was 200 police / feds outside your house in the middle of the night, would you still proclaim them to be “brave”? Reply Chad Patterson says: April 20, 2013 at 08:25 I didn’t see YOU on the evening news running into unfamiliar surroundings to search for an individual whom you know beyond a shadow of a doubt is armed and may very well be carrying explosives. jwm says: April 20, 2013 at 11:44 Your reasoning shows you to have a collective state of mind, Tote. Each individual in that unit had fear for his own safety and the safety of his buddies. Each man had to master that fear and press on. So, yes they were brave. Another comment that shows your complete lack of experience in the real world. Totenglocke says: April 20, 2013 at 16:13 @ Chad 1) I don’t live there. 2) If I had reason to believe there was a known murderer in my area, I’d look for him myself. I wouldn’t need thousands of guys wearing more body armor than the Knights of the Round Table to make me feel tough in doing it. @ JWM Your reasoning shows you to have a collective state of mind, Tote. No, it shows the polar opposite. Each individual in that unit had fear for his own safety and the safety of his buddies. Each man had to master that fear and press on. You’re joking, right? Only someone who truly is an utter coward is scared in a 2,000 versus 1 fight. Another comment that shows your complete lack of experience in the real world. Ah yes, oh mighty one. Please regal us with your stories of single handedly fighting off the Nazis and Al Qaeda. Just because I’m not a spineless coward who needs an army behind him to feel tough doesn’t mean I lack experience. Unlike you, I have personally stood up against a group of violent people on my own – because it was the right thing to do. Did I know I’d lose badly? Sure, but I’m not going to run and hide while bad people do bad things just because I might get hurt. That’s the difference between me and you and your cowardly Men in Black – I don’t need overwhelming force to feel strong. jwm says: April 20, 2013 at 16:23 First it was 200 vs. 1 then it was 2000 vs. 1. I never claimed to be a hero. But i’m not so hate filled and foolish to believe that bring overwhelming force to bear on a hostile combatant armed with guns and explosives in a residential neighberhood is cowardly. Next you’ll be declaring solidarity with that poor outnumbered and picked on freedom fighter. Go to the hardware store so you can get a shovel to dig that hole a little deeper. Joseph says: April 20, 2013 at 09:17 Yeah, it’s ridiculous , they should have gone after him with a Ruger 10/22 and a tee shirt. Reply Write a Comment Cancel replyYour email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Notify me of new posts by email.