Home Police Procedure Cops Bring Out the Big Guns for Boston Bombers Police Procedure Cops Bring Out the Big Guns for Boston Bombers By Robert Farago - April 19, 2013 119 Facebook Twitter Pinterest WhatsApp Email ◀Previous Post Next Post▶ ◀Previous Post Next Post▶ RELATED ARTICLESMORE FROM AUTHOR Hornady Security’s RAPIiD Safe Keypad Vault Massad Ayoob On the Philando Castile Shooting and What To Do If You’re Stopped By Police NYPD’s Overtime Budget Crisis Would Be Eased If New Yorkers Could Exercise Their Second Amendment Rights 119 COMMENTS At least his EOTech is mounted in the right direction Reply ah you beat me to it! Reply +1 Reply +1! Reply +1! Reply That’s exactly what I was lookin at. Reply OK, I admit it, that was my first thought too. Reply Go get em boys! (Rob…keep paying your taxes!) Reply Finger off the tigger until he’s ready to shoot. Good to see. +1 to the great eotech comment. Reply So now we know why the Department of Homeland Insecurity wanted all those 1,600 or so MRAP (Mine Resistant Ambush Protected) armored vehicles from the military. Reply Actually around a dozen if I remember right sense. Of course they could WANT that many, but it was the marines that got 1600. Infowars is 80% batty and 20% right, so take what they say with a grain and all that. Reply Ah, about a dozen rather than 1,600 — thank you for the correction. Reply heck, even drudge picked up on infowars saying that, but the youtube guy that ttag likes to link to (vuurwapenblog) showed how info twisted stuff like crazy and just outright lied to make the story. Do you have a link for the vuurwapen relevant posts/videos that you reference below? I’m having trouble finding them. I’m not doubting you. I know that info wars is mostly paranoid speculation. I was just interested in seeing what vuurwapen had to say. Reply On a similar note, why do all of these cops have assault weapons? Who are they planning on assaulting on our peaceful streets? If it would only save one life, they shouldn’t have those types of weapons. /sarc-off Reply Hey- nice to see it being used for what Its for, instead of a kid growing weed in his bathtub. Reply and is the a 1911 on his hip? looks like it has the right angle and the grip safety Reply Chit chatted with with one of those guys when he was working a detail. The 1911 is authorized for officers in the Special Operations duvision. Reply That is what I thought, also. Reply Listen up Glock fanboys. When the going gets tough, the tough reach for John Moses Browning’s masterpiece. Just had to say that. Reply YUP!!!!!!!!! Reply Why not use both? Reply The Browning Hi-Power? Reply Now if only then didn’t feel the need to “practice” on innocent Americans on a regular basis… Reply They need dogs… What better thing to hunt a man with then a dog? Reply German Sheppard in the pic with the APC Reply Awesome. Now they can find ’em. Reply Awesome. They managed not to shoot a dog within 10 feet of them. So, the only ones armed in MASS are the cops and the terrorists, well, how safe is that? Reply They’re not the only ones armed in the Commonwealth. Not by a long shot brother. Reply Agreed, Greg. Reply MASS gun laws are completely onerous and anti 2nd Amendment, 10 rd mag limit, high cap rifles banned, pistol permits only available through the whimsy of LE, etc etc etc… Shotguns aside, my point remains. Saul, it’s a very common misconception that MA is largely an unarmed state what with all of our onerous gun laws and stuff. And make no mistake, those laws are onerous. That said, the citizens of this state own and use plenty of standard capacity mags (grandfathered and not), many thousands of modern, militarily useful semi-automatic long arms, and a whole bunch of other stuff. My gun club has two machine gun ranges for NFA weapons owners and a couple of the guys at the club own muzzle loading cannon. Did you know that a MA resident can get a cannoneers license from the state fire marshal? Sure, MA isn’t AZ. But we’re not living in the 18th century either. Reply Yep, as bad as the laws are in California I’ve managed to fill a safe with guns. And we are a large market for the gun industry. Reply I’ve managed to fill three, but the .338 doesn’t fit very well, and it doesn’t even have a scope yet. I got a couple of Mosins that won’t fit because they’re too tall. So I lock their bolts up instead. I see some non-compliant magazines there… Reply No eye protection at a bomb suspects location. Reply Always great to hear from the Safety Susies during an ongoing operation. Reply Because as we all know, you’re so much higher speed and lower drag with some debris in the eyes. Reply Shows just how many resources and men it takes to go after two suspects. And people really think that as few as 1% of Americans couldn’t effectively resist a tyrannical government? With any sort of wide scale resistance in the event of a hostile government, the entire country would be shut down, the economy would utterly implode, food shortages and riots in every city, soon to be followed by global chaos as things spiral down the toilet bowl. So yeah, that 2nd Amendment isn’t as impotent as the statists try telling us. Reply Agreed. And we saw the same thing in Southern California a few weeks ago when the former Los Angeles police officer was a fugitive. Now imagine if a coordinated effort occurred in two dozen cities at the same time and those people threw in some tainted mail, set a few chemical factories on fire, and fouled up a major airline’s computer system to boot? Don’t get me wrong. I am not condoning that anyone who considers themselves a “patriot” go sending tainted mail to people, setting factories on fire, or messing with the computer systems of private businesses. What this does illustrate, however, is how easy it would be for a foreign government to start a war and how quickly our police resources would be overwhelmed. And no, that was not an argument for an even larger police force. It is an incredibly compelling argument for why we need responsible, good citizens to be armed and able to step up if the proverbial sh!t really hits the fan. Reply Don’t forget roadside bombs, after screwing our constitution they wouldn’t have a leg to stand on in court…well, anywhere actually, Randy Reply Very true Shenandoah and a sobering moment for all sides in this matter. I think it demonstrates the limits of violence for problem solving and the importance of taking strong, political action before it comes to that. The mess this can make is – as you say – indescribable and I believe even the most dedicated grabber wouldn’t want that. Since both this and the Dorner case involved police causalities I doubt they are anxious to sacrifice themselves for the greater glory of same ambitious political hack either. Strangely enough, this also demonstrates another reason the Founding Fathers wanted an effective Militia that’s often forgotten. I mean the idea of “domestic tranquility” in that they could keep order and fend off any cabal or coup by an undemocratic minority, or in modern parlance – terrorism. The wisdom of these paragons still amazes me. Reply What you also don’t mention is that many LE and active-military formations would be on the Constitutional side of any such confrontation. Recall the open letter from retired Rangers from a couple months back. Reply +1 Reply Is that Derek jeeter in the first pic? Reply ^lol. His baseball season is over till the ASB, so he hitched a ride with the NYPD up to Boston. Reply At least it’s not shaq and the Florida sheriff Reply How sweet would it be if an armed citizen end this shit? Reply I truly hope this evil doesn’t get the the chance to visit innocent civilians but if it does I hope it’s met with armed resistance. Good luck to those of you near this scene. If you’re fortunate enough to own a firearm now would be the time to make sure it’s handy and that your spare mags are on your person. Reply An armed citizen would get shot to pieces by the cops. Smart people stay away from an area like that. Er…unless you live there of course. Reply That would only be the greatest gift to gun owners and the ultimate slap in the fact to the gun grabbers. Reply Only so long as the armed citizen isn’t a former police officer. Ideally, not a veteran, either. Reply Do cops & mil not wear ear protection at all? Nothing seems to be built into the helmets. Do they just have soft ears in? Reply pretty sure the mil doesn’t use any ear protection, you need to be able to hear commands, and your surroundings at all times in that type of situation. Reply Thats what Surefire EarPro is for… Reply Thanks, answered my question. I use those when I’m deer hunting with my .460 revolver. A few .30-06, .308, .45-70, .30-30 out of a rifle without ear pro isn’t too bad. Plus, you can claim hearing loss when you forget all the stuff your wife wants you to do. Something I’ve always wondered about. Repeated exposure to an M240 without ear protection can’t be too healthy. Could they use something similar to a Walker’s Game Ear that amplifies low decibel noises and blocks out anything above a certain threshold? Reply Surefire EarPro is where its at. They are cheap, block high db noises, and allow you to have conversations. http://www.surefire.com/tactical-equipment/hearing-protection.html If they wore ear protection then they wouldn’t be able to milk the government for disability payments. I’ve also wondered why the can’t use radios and something like Peltor COM-TACs. It would seem to make sense, since it is a little bit hard to understand what someone is saying when there is active gunfire. That’s where my chronic tintin comes from. Actually, on jungle lanes and other “moving and shooting” ranges I would plug the rifle-side ear, and leave the other open. Reply The military DOES use hearing protection. Most of the high tech civilian hearing protection products out there are simply civilianized versions of a product that was originally produced under military contract. Reply Why is all of this militarization necessary??? Friday and Gannon, and their 5-shot .38 snubs should be all that’s needed here!!! *SARCASM* Reply I was thinking a double barrel shotgun through the door or maybe just fire “two blasts” into the air and scare him out so he will give up and this should all be over with! Sorry, couldn’t resist… Hope they get him quickly! Reply No double barrel shotguns anywhere?! Shocking. Reply I need to get me one of those double biden shotguns. I understand if you use one to fire into the air or thru a door you get a “get out of jail free” card from that white house in DC. If the police just lay down their weapons, the suspect will just walk out and give themselves up. At least that’s what Frankenstein said when Dorner was running around… Reply It would appear the guy in the turret opening is flagging the piss outta his fellow LEO’s in the first pic. I don’t know what the roof line of the APC is though so best case he would just pop one off the armor plates in front of him. Reply I noticed that myself. Reply What a demonstration of the ability of the state at all levels to unify militarily and violate constitutional rights en masse, supported by state media and massive weaponry. Reply Go read another conspiracy book. Open warfare brought to US streets means leeway by the government in dealing with it. Reply Oh, I forgot that it’s okay for government to violate people’s rights if it has a “good” reason. Heck, since it’s “open warfare” on “US streets”, they should just round up all the citizens and put them in holding camps, so that the only ones left outside the wire will be enemy combatants. Reply So Henry, how would you deal with this situation? When was there “open warfare” on US streets? Are you living in the 1860s? Reply So that is why there aren’t any Pmags in stock anywhere… Why do only some of them have vertical foregrips? They would be so much more deadly if they had vertical foregrips. Especially with the pistol grips allowing them to easily spray bullets into crowds of people. Reply Why do they have armored vehicles if they all ride on the outside? Seems rather counterintuitive. And its nice to see that the FBI spared no expense, hydrodipping their ARs in woodland camo. Why do the Transit Police have their own SWAT team? http://www.trbimg.com/img-1366371279/turbine/chi-manhunt-for-boston-marathon-suspects-pg-003/1280 Why is his weapon being pointed at something with the safety on? http://www.trbimg.com/img-1366374542/turbine/chi-manhunt-for-boston-marathon-suspects-pg-022/1280 Reply The FBI wouldn’t be able to sneak up on cabins in the Idaho woods if their ARs were black. Duh. Reply Not gonna get into the whole arming leos thing right now. But as for riding on the outside, that is so they can quickly deploy. Standard practice is to use the armored car as a shield when closely approaching the suspect or to deploy gas/breaching charges. If you’ve ever watched a swat show, the guys never pile out of an armored vehicle on scene. They’re either riding outside, or they jump out of a van or truck with double doors to get out fast. Reply So these guys are doing it wrong then? http://www.policemag.com/_Images/blogs/M-SWAT1-web.jpg And you can’t ride on the running boards on these: http://www.wstoa.org/images/team_profile_pics/yakima.jpg http://policecars.trafficdan.com/PENNSYLVANIA/MONTCO/CentralMontcoSWAT/tank%20002.jpg Personally I always thought they rode on the outside to look cool. And it is kind of hard to use it as cover during the approach when people are on outside on both sides That’s a lightly armored big truck with double doors matt, not an armored APC. I doubt that truck could stand up to rifle rounds, apc’s can and are a lot smaller then that usually. Look at how thick the doors and windows are. And APCs are smaller? Have you seen how big a MRAP is? No quick deployment from inside this. http://worldonline.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/photos/2005/09/02/na_KATRINA_APC_t460.jpg?926875e5be5f93a8dc1e86b8d949ee54b77d1e0d Why is the sky blue? seriously man….did you really ask “Why is the safety on?” Reply Then why bother pointing the weapon at something. And isnt there a reason we keep our fingers off the trigger? Reply Matt, the Boston police need you on the scene, offering them your helpful advice. Get going! And your “spare no taxpayer expense” hydrodipped carbine, appears to be a $10.00 “spare no taxpayer expense” krylon or Aerovoe job. spf Reply Do you really think they all took their weapons home and did it in their free time? Reply Ok BCG, you got me. I spent 1.5 to 2 whole hours of “spare no expense taxpayer’s” dollars on my duty carbines krylon job. Damn it all, I used personally-owned spraypaint. Looks like I need to fill out a Claim for Reinbursement. spf Its nice to know that you respect public property enough to do a shitty job. Rather than disassemble, mask off, and paint only the appropriate areas, you painted it assembeled. Its also nice to know you used the cheapest product available which isnt even rated for temperatures firearms generate, unless you painted yours in only white, black or beige. Just wondering but what is it going to cost your city/county to remove the paint when you leave your job? grasping at straws… The most efficient way to stop a bad guy with a ____ is a good guy with a gun. Except the govt doesn’t think that applies to armed citizens. Shame. There’s a reason why law-abiding citizens are called good guys and criminals are called bad guys. Because that’s what it’s about. Good people vs. Bad (evil) people. Because it doesn’t make sense. Any child playing cops vs. robbers knows this truth. It’s about the people, not their tools. When is the last time you heard that struggle called “good gun” vs. “bad gun”. That’s how moronic the whole anti-gun debate is and why you got slapped down by the Senate. Reply So, when is Obama and holder going to break out the drones? Reply Good to know they’re looking for the bad guys, but just to be safe… I wouldn’t go out. Or drive any vehicle that even looks remotely close to aforementioned bad guys’. Reply with the checkpoints in boston, the lockdown in that suburb, militarized police all over, it almost seems like a dry run for martial law. Study this well boys, study this well. Reply They are actually looking for a terrorist, a bombing suspect. Not a purse snatcher. FLAME DELETED Reply How can someone be a terrorist if they are a suspect? And what evidence is there that the suspect had political goals they were attempting to further by the bombing? Reply matt, the proof of my above Flame Deleted. Reply It’s always really impressive when Internet surfers, sitting on their arses, in the comfort of their safe basement or office, work so hard at second-guessing and criticizing law enforcement during an ongoing operation. Really cool and inspiring. Eye roll. Reply Thats right subject, you’re not allowed to criticize the kings men! They are infallible and simply doing gods work. Reply Matt, they need you out there to offer them helpful suggestions. Hope you can be of service out there, so get going. We are all really, really impressed, I’m sure. Reply The cops are after one guy, so why are they carrying assault weapons that have only one purpose: to kill as many people as possible as quickly as possible. I don’t get it. Reply Apparently, that weapon is suitable for defense? Reply Looking at some of these pictures, I can’t help but be reminded of all the reservists in the forest scene from the original Rambo First Blood movie. BINGO! I got em! Reply Lots of drop leg holsters…a sure sign of the tacticool geardo who has little actual experience.. Reply So are the balaclavas. No tacticool officer is compete without one. Reply It appears as if the Army of The Potomac has reappeared… Reply So all of this is for one man? All of Boston occupied for one man. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Reply FINALLY! We paid for all that shit and they’re finally using it. Thank God that we’re getting our money’s worth! Reply This, ladies and gentlemen, is why I laugh when people call LEO’s / soldiers “brave”. There’s nothing brave about hundreds of heavily armed men going after ONE guy. Reply Tote, you do realize your statement says a whole lot more about you than any of the cops or soldiers you think you’re deriding. right? Or were you expecting a hollywood hero cop like McClane or Callahan to insert into the neighberhood and handle business? Reply I never said it wasn’t necessary or effective to accomplish the goal. I merely said that there is nothing brave about it. It’s similar to claiming someone is “brave” for dropping a nuke on a drug dealer while he’s at home sleeping. It’s sad that the worship of government thugs is so ingrained in our society (well, most societies) that even those who have the most to fear from said jack boots are so eager to defend them. If it was 200 police / feds outside your house in the middle of the night, would you still proclaim them to be “brave”? Reply I didn’t see YOU on the evening news running into unfamiliar surroundings to search for an individual whom you know beyond a shadow of a doubt is armed and may very well be carrying explosives. Your reasoning shows you to have a collective state of mind, Tote. Each individual in that unit had fear for his own safety and the safety of his buddies. Each man had to master that fear and press on. So, yes they were brave. Another comment that shows your complete lack of experience in the real world. @ Chad 1) I don’t live there. 2) If I had reason to believe there was a known murderer in my area, I’d look for him myself. I wouldn’t need thousands of guys wearing more body armor than the Knights of the Round Table to make me feel tough in doing it. @ JWM Your reasoning shows you to have a collective state of mind, Tote. No, it shows the polar opposite. Each individual in that unit had fear for his own safety and the safety of his buddies. Each man had to master that fear and press on. You’re joking, right? Only someone who truly is an utter coward is scared in a 2,000 versus 1 fight. Another comment that shows your complete lack of experience in the real world. Ah yes, oh mighty one. Please regal us with your stories of single handedly fighting off the Nazis and Al Qaeda. Just because I’m not a spineless coward who needs an army behind him to feel tough doesn’t mean I lack experience. Unlike you, I have personally stood up against a group of violent people on my own – because it was the right thing to do. Did I know I’d lose badly? Sure, but I’m not going to run and hide while bad people do bad things just because I might get hurt. That’s the difference between me and you and your cowardly Men in Black – I don’t need overwhelming force to feel strong. First it was 200 vs. 1 then it was 2000 vs. 1. I never claimed to be a hero. But i’m not so hate filled and foolish to believe that bring overwhelming force to bear on a hostile combatant armed with guns and explosives in a residential neighberhood is cowardly. Next you’ll be declaring solidarity with that poor outnumbered and picked on freedom fighter. Go to the hardware store so you can get a shovel to dig that hole a little deeper. Yeah, it’s ridiculous , they should have gone after him with a Ruger 10/22 and a tee shirt. Reply LEAVE A REPLY Cancel reply Please enter your comment! 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