New York’s SAFE Act infringes upon residents’ Constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms. For example, the Act bans the sale or in-state transfer of modern sporting rifles, limits ammunition magazine capacity to seven rounds and forces gun owners to register all ammo sales with the state. Amongst other things. In reaction to the new law, in anticipation of equally unconscionable legislation in Connecticut, New Jersey and elsewhere, a growing list of firearms and ammunition manufacturers have decided to level the playing field or, if you will, close the LEO loophole . . .
They will not sell ammo, guns or gun gear to law enforcement officers (LEOs) within these slave states if those states ban the items from civilians.
Please find below latest list of participants, the companies who’ve yet to take a stand and those who’ve refused to join. The list comes courtesy Jeffrey Bates at reddit.com, who asks gun owners to email the companies who haven’t committed to a boycott and urge them to do so.
Note that none of the largest players (e.g., Glock and Smith & Wesson) have gotten off the fence yet. That will change. It’s becoming increasingly clear that gun owners are moving towards a boycott of their own: refusing to do business with those companies who don’t stop LEO sales in slave states.
We’ll keep you in the loop.
New York LEO Boycott Participants: source1, source2
Companies to E-mail Will continue to update
I regretfully have to add a companies to boycott list – These companies have chosen profit over protecting the constitution.
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The areas that first drew me to TTAG were the IGOTD and DGUTD
sections. I have found very few places that willingly addresses both.
The reason I keep coming back is the ability to disagree with the
editors. One does not have to fall in line to keep their posting
privilege (see arguments regarding FPS Russia). The moment this
stops, the site will become no better than the MSM lapdogs.
As a whole, I find that the articles and comments offer a far higher
degree of thought and intelligence than the average blog. I feel that
recently many are getting so frustrated with the antis that they
start venting and nitpicking in areas that would be otherwise left
alone. This isn’t to say that certain areas should escape notice; just
that tempers are getting a bit frayed. The one area we all need to be
aware of is that the antis will not stop. We can pick apart FPS,
Teg Nugent or Alex Jones and rightfully so. But we will be deluding
ourselves to believe that if these “characters” were out of the picture
the antis will ease up.
This is a great list. Shows who to throw your money at for being faithful, who to boycott for selling out, and who to pressure to take a side.
Share this with all of your fellow gun owners. This only works if we all work together.
Thanks Robert, I think we can get this done, Randy
There isn’t a chance in hell that Glock or S&W will walk away from their big money LEO contracts.
Its not hate, dag nab it all. Its healthy anger & TTAG has been a place to vent & I hope that won’t change. Randy
Slave states? Inevitable bloodshed between police and the ‘people of the gun’?
Yeah, I’d agree. This site damages the effort at supporting gun rights.
You and, apparently, one other person.
Don’t forget to add PWS Primary Weapon Systems to the boycott list!!! Please note long thread for backup. http://www.ar15.com/mobile/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1443248&page=1
I would be very interested in knowing what Berettas plan is if Maryland’s SB281 passes.
Standard “hunting” 00 buck shells have a velocity of 1350-1500 fps.. This is big time overkill and over-recoil unless you really are out hunting.
For home defense something like Rio Royal buck 00 “police loads” are a better idea. Police loads are less powerful (1200 fps) to minimize over penetration and remove a lot of the nasty recoil you get from a pump action 12 ga. or 12 ga. double.
Yes. For home defense, I prefer low recoil ammo. Muzzle velocity isn’t too important at fifteen feet.
I prefer the phrase “closing the government loophole” since it focuses more on the real culprits the politicians. Why pick on the police or LE community with a boycott only against them? It seems like many of them are on our side.
Without two groups, 2A is a dead duck. The two groups are young shooters and women. We don’t hate either. Far from it. We need them. We praise them. The only bone I have to pick with the yoots is that I can’t get a lane reservation on the weekend because there’s too many young guys shooting. And all I can say about that is: fantastic! Keep it up! And dudes– bring your girlfriends. She’ll feel empowered, she’ll become a shooter and a friend of 2A, and it just may save her life.
As for the cops, what frosts my cake is abuse of power, by anyone. Having a government job is not a license to be a pr!ck, whether you’re a cop or work at the motor vehicle bureau. That kind of situational power seems to be very attractive to a hard-core minority of people who should never have a badge or a gun. Sure, one bad apple doesn’t spoil the whole bunch, but it sure makes it hard to trust any of them.
Robert can you please add POF (Patriot Ordinance Factory) to the list of companies to email? Here is the link to their Facebook page.
Thank you.
Nothing will see the light of day in Kentucky. Both the Democrat gov. and the Democrat majority leader in the house say we have more important issues to see to in this session–like Ky. being bankrupt because of its corrupt state employee pension system.
Also, the minor fact that being anti 2A is political death in these parts.
it is not hate when you talk about the unpopular truth!
Though some of the comments can be vitriolic, I don’t see the published articles as espousing hate.
Also, people like FPS Russia SHOULD be condemned for being irresponsible, especially since they ARE introducing new shooters to firearms. People like Hickok45 are much more responsible and informative.
Although very young at the time, Comrade Putin shows he will have a promising career working for the state by pointing out to the school cook that criticism of the products from Red Flag Beet Cannery #6 will not be tolerated.
Another happy user here. I have this for both my Walther PPQ, PPS, and my SIG 229. It’s my favorite home carry solution for all three platforms. Extremely comfortable, works well even with more normal belts on the lighter guns. Very easy to put on/take off without the mess of having to undo your belt.
Also, unlike the more LEO style OTB holsters I used to use, it holds the gun in tight to the body making it, not really more concealable, but more subtle and since it doesn’t stick out much it doesn’t tend to get snagged on things during normal household chores/activities. Seems like every time I went into the storage shed I’d manage to somehow end up with some cord wrapped around the thing.
I can confirm the draw issue mentioned above isn’t a problem at all with the bigger, longer grip guns, and I find the PPS version works almost as well, no complaints here, although I do have slenderer hands than average, YMMV.
I find this holster, a N82tactical Pro IWB (I adore the retention system on these), and a Desantis Super Fly/Remora for pocket/misc use (range bag/gun safe) covers my firearm toting needs.
I’m sure that the deceased was on his way to becoming a pillar of the community. Maybe an oncologist or a rocket surgeon or an archbishop. He was always such a good boy. Sniff.
Just wanted to comment that Boyd’s makes a Monte Carlo stock with a nice cheek piece. I have one on my Marlin XL-7 (270 Winchester) and it’s great. Perfect alignment with the scope. I like it so much that I ordered one for the Winchester model 70 I just picked up.
I had to work.
There was a pro 2nd event in Huntsville, AL today. Our Congressman, some state senators and a few others spoke. Attendance was about 1700. The message was clear that AL will not be going the way of Colorado, NY, NJ etc any time soon.
“Which shows you exactly how little humanity gun control advocates possess. What person with an ounce of decency wouldn’t have wished Mr. Bennet had a firearm to defend his life from his murderous attackers?”
Surely if the UK citizens where allowed to carry firearms for personal protection, chances are that the 2 attackers would have also carried and Mr. Bennet would have received a couple of bullets in the head, end of.
It’s all PR, people. The turnout was SIGNIFICANTLY better than
many protest the antis routinely hold. I’m also willing to bet
that there were zero paid protestors. The MSM, however, never
actually report numbers or even show uncut footage of a crowd.
Example: on Jan 20 the Huffington post reported a number of
rallies across the country. Only vague numbers were recorded
from “a few dozen” to “large crowds”. The single picture linked
to had only three people in it. Even if 30,000 had shown up the
MSM would marginalize the protest if reported at all.
Here’s a link to the article I’m referring to:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/20/gun-rights_n_2516138.html
Midway un-pledged according to your “Source 2”. The Midway rep said that it was an Internet “hoax” and they have no intention of limiting sales.
2/23 was horribly planned, and their site was less than informative. It was also gimmicky from the start.
The range is a great place for mags 😛
At seven yards my birdshot doesn’t leave the wad. Meaning I’m shooting a “frangible slug” at apartment distances. I’m happy.
I live in Colorado and only heard of this last night. It doesn’t matter though; the Tea Party, OWS, the “million” this or that protests, not one of them had any real influence over the politicians. The pols only listen to money and violence. We, the lowly voting peons, are merely an annoyance that must be placated every other year or so.
As much as I support the NRA (as a member) I do think Wayne is starting to become a bit toxic to the message(s) that they should be sending. Maybe he’s great for “preaching to the choir” but seems a bit too polarizing for those who are on the fence or disagree with us.
As a side note – the past few times there have been NRA interviews or speeches on TV, I get the email asking me to watch them about 2-3 hours AFTER they occur…
Still haven’t gotten any notice of this anywhere except on TTAG. If they can’t even communicate with their members in a timely manner they need to fix something.
My name is Wayne LaPierre, I respond to complaints that I was untimely early by being fashionably late.
I don’t like Wayne. Time for him to go. He didn’t check the chamber on that bolt action Remington they just handed him. Fail.
1,700 people attended this rally in Huntsville.
http://blog.al.com/breaking/2013/02/1700_turn_out_for_event_rallyi.html#incart_river_default
I’ve had my m4 ops for about 6 months now. Mine is the newer model, so it has the 90 degree safety. I love this gun. I am not particularly nice to it, and let it get pretty dirty before I clean it. Even when it is so filthy you can hear the dirt and unburnt powder grinding in the action, it still functions perfectly. Today I had my first misfire (dud round). Other than that, it has shot everything I’ve given it. I don’t buy anything special, mostly federal bulk ammo, and it eats it up.
Reloading magazines is a breeze. You can keep the spring advanced about an inch and drop the ammo in. With a 10/22 I never shoot more than 100 rounds a trip without a speed loader because it hurts my fingers too much. On this, I’ve loaded over 500 rounds in a trip and not had it bother me at all.
My only gripe is the trigger. Mine is about a 9 pound pull, which isn’t bad for the first one or two hundred rounds, but after that my finger does start to find it irritating. I’m going to take it apart and see if I can soften it up a bit. The S&W 15-22 has a much nicer trigger, but is mostly plastic so it felt like a toy not a gun to me.
Confucious say: It is better to have it and not need it,
than to need it and not have it!
Hahahaha!
I think the best thing to do when a gun grabber pulls the whole “weapons of war” thing point out that the exact same things that make an ar-15 an effective combat weapon an effective home defense, hunting, and sporting gun. Then point out that the bolt action rifles that they deem “acceptable” were cutting edge military technology just being introduced to the domestic market about a hundred years ago. If you want to go farther back I would suggest the DaVinci wheel lock.
One little problem here…
It’s my understanding that the data transfer to the feds was in November 2011 and February 2012. The “thank you” letter linked above is from March 2010.
Lets face it, none of the big time companies are going to follow through with any LEO boycott. This is America and money talks. As a cop myself, how would any company know what my job was when ordering on my own dime. Believe me, Departments arent going to be sending mass orders to any of the small outfits listed above anyway. The Big Boys sure arent going to damage their bottom line by saying “no”. (and no, Spikes is NOT one of the big boys). But, for arguments sake, suppose ALL the major US companies complied with your boycott. What do you imagine happening? Well, I’ll tell ya. The local PDs are all suddenly carrying weapons from Germany, Israel, Belgium, and the Czech Republic.
Of course, Im just giving you guys a hard time. Personally, I have no problem with a civilian carrying an AR. Its just a shame that you dont have the former military combat training to go along with at least 22 weeks of intense firearms training combined with the legal training combined with the hand-to-hand combat training combined with physical fitness standards combined with the tactical real world elements that jeopardize our world every day. Dont ever fool yourself into thinking that any “modern sporting rifle” on the market today (regardless of magazine capacity) would ever make you “equal” to me or anyone I work with. Its NOT about the gun in your hands, Its about the MAN who holds the gun. Personally, I would never enforce a gun confiscation warrant on a man without a criminal or mental health record, but believe me, if I WANTED to take your guns, you could never stop me. I know, i know…….”crazy f’n pig!” But who else do you have in your society that is willing to, on a weekly basis, bust into a violent, gang bangin’, thug infested, drug den and kill them? You? Dont think so. So, good luck with your boycott. We’ll continue to put our lives on the line for all you ungrateful pricks just the same as we do for the appreciative ones.
ahhh Shaddup!