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Closing the LEO Loophole: Update

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New York cop contemplates AR-15 (courtesy bizpacreview.com)

New York’s SAFE Act infringes upon residents’ Constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms. For example, the Act bans the sale or in-state transfer of modern sporting rifles, limits ammunition magazine capacity to seven rounds and forces gun owners to register all ammo sales with the state. Amongst other things. In reaction to the new law, in anticipation of equally unconscionable legislation in Connecticut, New Jersey and elsewhere, a growing list of firearms and ammunition manufacturers have decided to level the playing field or, if you will, close the LEO loophole . . .

They will not sell ammo, guns or gun gear to law enforcement officers (LEOs) within these slave states if those states ban the items from civilians.

Please find below latest list of participants, the companies who’ve yet to take a stand and those who’ve refused to join. The list comes courtesy Jeffrey Bates at reddit.com, who asks gun owners to email the companies who haven’t committed to a boycott and urge them to do so.

Note that none of the largest players (e.g., Glock and Smith & Wesson) have gotten off the fence yet. That will change. It’s becoming increasingly clear that gun owners are moving towards a boycott of their own: refusing to do business with those companies who don’t stop LEO sales in slave states.

We’ll keep you in the loop.

New York LEO Boycott Participants: source1source2

1. LaRue Tactical 2-8-13 22. Head Down Products 2-20-13
2. Extreme Firepower Inc, LLC (Per EFI, policy is several years old) 23. Bravo Company USA 2-20-13
3. Tier One Arms 1-15-13 24. Exile Machine 2-20-13
4. Olympic Arms 2-12-13 25. Barrett 2-20-13
5. One Source Tactical 2-13-13 26. Crusader Weaponry 2-21-13
6. Templar Custom 2-13-13 27. Top Gun Supply 2-21-13
7. York Arms 2-13-13 28. Kiss Tactical 2-21-13
8. Cheaper Than Dirt 2-15-13 29. Nemo Arms 2-21-13
9. Bullwater Enterprises 2-16-13 30. Clark Fork Tactical 2-22-13
10. West Fork Armory 2-16-13 31. Old Grouch’s Military Surplus 1-16-13
11. OFA Tactical 2-17-13 32. Big Horn Armory 2-22-13
12. Smith Enterprise 2-17-13 33. MidwayUSA 2-22-13
13. Alex Arms 2-17-13 34. CMMG 2-22-13
14. Trident Armory 2-17-13 35. Rocky Top Tactical 2-22-13
15. Spike’s Tactical 2-18-13 36. Ace Ltd. 2-20-13
16. Quality Arms Idaho 2-19-13 37. Norton Firearms 2-22-13
17. Liberty Suppressors 2-19-13 38. Badger Peak 2-22-13
18. Doublestar Corp 2-19-13 39. Controlled Chaos Arms 2-22-13
19. American Spirit Arms 2-19-13 40. SRT ARMS 2-22-13
20. Primary Weapons Systems 2-19-13
21. J&G Sales 2-20-13

 

Companies to E-mail Will continue to update

Company E-mail Facebook Date Added
Amchar [email protected]
Atlantic Tactical [email protected] link
ATK [email protected] link
Bushmaster [email protected] link
Charter Firearms [email protected] link
CZ-USA [email protected] link
DPMS Firearms [email protected] link
FNH [email protected] link
Freedom Arms [email protected] link
Glock [email protected] link
HK [email protected] link
Kahr [email protected] link
Les Baer [email protected]
LMT Defense [email protected]
Magnum Research [email protected] link
Nighthawk Custom [email protected] link
Remington [email protected] link
Robinson Armament [email protected]
Rock River Arms [email protected]
Sig Sauer [email protected] link
Smith & Weson [email protected] link
SOTA (State of the Art) Arms [email protected]
Springfield Armory [email protected] link
Wilson Combat [email protected] link
Windham Weaponry [email protected] link
Z-M Weapons [email protected]
GT Distributers [email protected] link 2-22-13
Allstar Tactical [email protected] link 2-22-13
Beretta [email protected] link 2-22-13
Jurek Brothers (Current NYSP contract) [email protected] 2-22-13
New York police supply [email protected] 2-22-13
Del Ton [email protected] 2-22-13
CMMG [email protected] link 2-22-13
Aim Surplus [email protected] link 2-22-13
PK Firearms [email protected] link 2-22-13
American tactical imports [email protected] link 2-22-13
Ruger link 2-22-13
Alexander Arms [email protected] 2-22-13
Mossberg [email protected] link 2-23-13
Colt [email protected] link 2-23-13

I regretfully have to add a companies to boycott list – These companies have chosen profit over protecting the constitution.

ArmaLite

GT Distributers

0 thoughts on “Closing the LEO Loophole: Update”

  1. The areas that first drew me to TTAG were the IGOTD and DGUTD
    sections. I have found very few places that willingly addresses both.
    The reason I keep coming back is the ability to disagree with the
    editors. One does not have to fall in line to keep their posting
    privilege (see arguments regarding FPS Russia). The moment this
    stops, the site will become no better than the MSM lapdogs.

    As a whole, I find that the articles and comments offer a far higher
    degree of thought and intelligence than the average blog. I feel that
    recently many are getting so frustrated with the antis that they
    start venting and nitpicking in areas that would be otherwise left
    alone. This isn’t to say that certain areas should escape notice; just
    that tempers are getting a bit frayed. The one area we all need to be
    aware of is that the antis will not stop. We can pick apart FPS,
    Teg Nugent or Alex Jones and rightfully so. But we will be deluding
    ourselves to believe that if these “characters” were out of the picture
    the antis will ease up.

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  2. This is a great list. Shows who to throw your money at for being faithful, who to boycott for selling out, and who to pressure to take a side.

    Share this with all of your fellow gun owners. This only works if we all work together.

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  3. Slave states? Inevitable bloodshed between police and the ‘people of the gun’?

    Yeah, I’d agree. This site damages the effort at supporting gun rights.

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  4. Standard “hunting” 00 buck shells have a velocity of 1350-1500 fps.. This is big time overkill and over-recoil unless you really are out hunting.

    For home defense something like Rio Royal buck 00 “police loads” are a better idea. Police loads are less powerful (1200 fps) to minimize over penetration and remove a lot of the nasty recoil you get from a pump action 12 ga. or 12 ga. double.

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  5. I prefer the phrase “closing the government loophole” since it focuses more on the real culprits the politicians. Why pick on the police or LE community with a boycott only against them? It seems like many of them are on our side.

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  6. Without two groups, 2A is a dead duck. The two groups are young shooters and women. We don’t hate either. Far from it. We need them. We praise them. The only bone I have to pick with the yoots is that I can’t get a lane reservation on the weekend because there’s too many young guys shooting. And all I can say about that is: fantastic! Keep it up! And dudes– bring your girlfriends. She’ll feel empowered, she’ll become a shooter and a friend of 2A, and it just may save her life.

    As for the cops, what frosts my cake is abuse of power, by anyone. Having a government job is not a license to be a pr!ck, whether you’re a cop or work at the motor vehicle bureau. That kind of situational power seems to be very attractive to a hard-core minority of people who should never have a badge or a gun. Sure, one bad apple doesn’t spoil the whole bunch, but it sure makes it hard to trust any of them.

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  7. Nothing will see the light of day in Kentucky. Both the Democrat gov. and the Democrat majority leader in the house say we have more important issues to see to in this session–like Ky. being bankrupt because of its corrupt state employee pension system.

    Also, the minor fact that being anti 2A is political death in these parts.

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  8. Though some of the comments can be vitriolic, I don’t see the published articles as espousing hate.

    Also, people like FPS Russia SHOULD be condemned for being irresponsible, especially since they ARE introducing new shooters to firearms. People like Hickok45 are much more responsible and informative.

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  9. Although very young at the time, Comrade Putin shows he will have a promising career working for the state by pointing out to the school cook that criticism of the products from Red Flag Beet Cannery #6 will not be tolerated.

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  10. Another happy user here. I have this for both my Walther PPQ, PPS, and my SIG 229. It’s my favorite home carry solution for all three platforms. Extremely comfortable, works well even with more normal belts on the lighter guns. Very easy to put on/take off without the mess of having to undo your belt.

    Also, unlike the more LEO style OTB holsters I used to use, it holds the gun in tight to the body making it, not really more concealable, but more subtle and since it doesn’t stick out much it doesn’t tend to get snagged on things during normal household chores/activities. Seems like every time I went into the storage shed I’d manage to somehow end up with some cord wrapped around the thing.

    I can confirm the draw issue mentioned above isn’t a problem at all with the bigger, longer grip guns, and I find the PPS version works almost as well, no complaints here, although I do have slenderer hands than average, YMMV.

    I find this holster, a N82tactical Pro IWB (I adore the retention system on these), and a Desantis Super Fly/Remora for pocket/misc use (range bag/gun safe) covers my firearm toting needs.

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  11. I’m sure that the deceased was on his way to becoming a pillar of the community. Maybe an oncologist or a rocket surgeon or an archbishop. He was always such a good boy. Sniff.

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  12. Just wanted to comment that Boyd’s makes a Monte Carlo stock with a nice cheek piece. I have one on my Marlin XL-7 (270 Winchester) and it’s great. Perfect alignment with the scope. I like it so much that I ordered one for the Winchester model 70 I just picked up.

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  13. There was a pro 2nd event in Huntsville, AL today. Our Congressman, some state senators and a few others spoke. Attendance was about 1700. The message was clear that AL will not be going the way of Colorado, NY, NJ etc any time soon.

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  14. “Which shows you exactly how little humanity gun control advocates possess. What person with an ounce of decency wouldn’t have wished Mr. Bennet had a firearm to defend his life from his murderous attackers?”

    Surely if the UK citizens where allowed to carry firearms for personal protection, chances are that the 2 attackers would have also carried and Mr. Bennet would have received a couple of bullets in the head, end of.

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  15. It’s all PR, people. The turnout was SIGNIFICANTLY better than
    many protest the antis routinely hold. I’m also willing to bet
    that there were zero paid protestors. The MSM, however, never
    actually report numbers or even show uncut footage of a crowd.
    Example: on Jan 20 the Huffington post reported a number of
    rallies across the country. Only vague numbers were recorded
    from “a few dozen” to “large crowds”. The single picture linked
    to had only three people in it. Even if 30,000 had shown up the
    MSM would marginalize the protest if reported at all.

    Here’s a link to the article I’m referring to:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/20/gun-rights_n_2516138.html

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  16. Midway un-pledged according to your “Source 2”. The Midway rep said that it was an Internet “hoax” and they have no intention of limiting sales.

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  17. I live in Colorado and only heard of this last night. It doesn’t matter though; the Tea Party, OWS, the “million” this or that protests, not one of them had any real influence over the politicians. The pols only listen to money and violence. We, the lowly voting peons, are merely an annoyance that must be placated every other year or so.

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  18. As much as I support the NRA (as a member) I do think Wayne is starting to become a bit toxic to the message(s) that they should be sending. Maybe he’s great for “preaching to the choir” but seems a bit too polarizing for those who are on the fence or disagree with us.

    As a side note – the past few times there have been NRA interviews or speeches on TV, I get the email asking me to watch them about 2-3 hours AFTER they occur…

    Still haven’t gotten any notice of this anywhere except on TTAG. If they can’t even communicate with their members in a timely manner they need to fix something.

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  19. I’ve had my m4 ops for about 6 months now. Mine is the newer model, so it has the 90 degree safety. I love this gun. I am not particularly nice to it, and let it get pretty dirty before I clean it. Even when it is so filthy you can hear the dirt and unburnt powder grinding in the action, it still functions perfectly. Today I had my first misfire (dud round). Other than that, it has shot everything I’ve given it. I don’t buy anything special, mostly federal bulk ammo, and it eats it up.

    Reloading magazines is a breeze. You can keep the spring advanced about an inch and drop the ammo in. With a 10/22 I never shoot more than 100 rounds a trip without a speed loader because it hurts my fingers too much. On this, I’ve loaded over 500 rounds in a trip and not had it bother me at all.

    My only gripe is the trigger. Mine is about a 9 pound pull, which isn’t bad for the first one or two hundred rounds, but after that my finger does start to find it irritating. I’m going to take it apart and see if I can soften it up a bit. The S&W 15-22 has a much nicer trigger, but is mostly plastic so it felt like a toy not a gun to me.

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  20. I think the best thing to do when a gun grabber pulls the whole “weapons of war” thing point out that the exact same things that make an ar-15 an effective combat weapon an effective home defense, hunting, and sporting gun. Then point out that the bolt action rifles that they deem “acceptable” were cutting edge military technology just being introduced to the domestic market about a hundred years ago. If you want to go farther back I would suggest the DaVinci wheel lock.

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  21. One little problem here…

    It’s my understanding that the data transfer to the feds was in November 2011 and February 2012. The “thank you” letter linked above is from March 2010.

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  22. Lets face it, none of the big time companies are going to follow through with any LEO boycott. This is America and money talks. As a cop myself, how would any company know what my job was when ordering on my own dime. Believe me, Departments arent going to be sending mass orders to any of the small outfits listed above anyway. The Big Boys sure arent going to damage their bottom line by saying “no”. (and no, Spikes is NOT one of the big boys). But, for arguments sake, suppose ALL the major US companies complied with your boycott. What do you imagine happening? Well, I’ll tell ya. The local PDs are all suddenly carrying weapons from Germany, Israel, Belgium, and the Czech Republic.
    Of course, Im just giving you guys a hard time. Personally, I have no problem with a civilian carrying an AR. Its just a shame that you dont have the former military combat training to go along with at least 22 weeks of intense firearms training combined with the legal training combined with the hand-to-hand combat training combined with physical fitness standards combined with the tactical real world elements that jeopardize our world every day. Dont ever fool yourself into thinking that any “modern sporting rifle” on the market today (regardless of magazine capacity) would ever make you “equal” to me or anyone I work with. Its NOT about the gun in your hands, Its about the MAN who holds the gun. Personally, I would never enforce a gun confiscation warrant on a man without a criminal or mental health record, but believe me, if I WANTED to take your guns, you could never stop me. I know, i know…….”crazy f’n pig!” But who else do you have in your society that is willing to, on a weekly basis, bust into a violent, gang bangin’, thug infested, drug den and kill them? You? Dont think so. So, good luck with your boycott. We’ll continue to put our lives on the line for all you ungrateful pricks just the same as we do for the appreciative ones.

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