A challenge to former Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s 2020 ban on some 1,500 models of firearms deemed “assault-style weapons” by the Canadian government has failed, a fact that should make all Americans appreciate our Second Amendment more than ever.
On April 15, a three-judge panel of Canada’s Federal Court of Appeals, in the case Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights v. Canada, unanimously upheld the punitive law, leaving Canadians to continue dealing with the restrictions despite having a new prime minister.
At issue is the May 1, 2020, Order in Council SOR/2020-96, which immediately classified 1,500 models of firearms (and modified versions and unnamed variants), previously listed as “non-restricted” or “restricted,” as illegal “prohibited” firearms under the federal Criminal Code. In creating the ban, Trudeau bypassed the legislative process, and the order was not pre-published or subject to public input or comments.
The case, Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights v. Canada (Attorney General), 2025 FCA 82, arose out of consolidated judicial review applications brought by firearm owners, firearm businesses, and gun rights advocates, headed by the Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights (CCFR), challenging the Trudeau order. That court found that the order didn’t violate Canada’s Bill of Rights.
Appellants in the case challenged the case on a number of grounds. First was the assertion that the Governor in Council’s ability to classify firearms as non-restricted, restricted and prohibited was limited by the Criminal Code. Additionally, appellants challenged what they described as the executive’s unlawful sub-delegation of authority to classify firearms as “prohibited” to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP). Lastly, they argued that the reclassification of firearms violated the 1960 Bill of Rights and Canada’s Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
In the appeals court opinion, Chief Justice Yves de Montigny wrote: “There is no corresponding right, constitutional or otherwise, to possession of a specific firearm. Nor is there any de facto expropriation, since there is no evidence that Canada has acquired any asset or advantage as a result of the Regulations. As a result, the Federal Court did not err in concluding that the Regulations do not infringe the Bill of Rights.”
The court also noted that “from the sole perspective of a sensible hunter or sportsman, it makes no sense to ban firearms that are well suited or even specifically designed for hunting or sport purposes.” But the “inherent danger that some firearms pose to public safety because of their lethality and their ability to injure or kill a large number of people in a short period of time, the fact that they have been used in mass shootings in Canada and abroad, the fact that they are disproportionate for civilian use, and the increasing demand for measures to address gun violence are all valid considerations in determining whether their use is reasonable for hunting and sporting purposes.”
The CCRF, which had taken the lead in the lawsuit to invalidate the law, expressed disappointment with the appeals court’s ruling.
“Today we received the decision out of the Federal Court of Appeal on our long fight against the gun ban,” the organization said in a released statement. “It’s bad news for Canadians for multiple reasons. It is the opinion of the judges that the “protections” in the Criminal Code to prevent the Governor in Counsel (GIC) from banning guns that are legitimate for hunting and sporting use are irrelevant. Section 56 of the decision illustrates that the protection provision is subject to the whim of the GIC, who can change their mind at any time.”
The organization also said it would be carefully reviewing the decision to determine its next steps in the battle.
“The decision is clear, the courts will not constrain the government’s overreach on this issue,” CCRF concluded. “This has negative implications on many aspects of the legal and legislative system in Canada.”
Canadians like the rest of the Europeans, have no constitution and no backbone.
They are essentially subjects and serfs, not citizens.
And have NO RIGHTS. The neutered “blue” eurometros of Quebed/Ontario cesspools (and Vancouver) run the whole thing just as in “blue” states the prog cities run the entie state (Wa, Or, Ca, Az, Nm, Il, NY, etc).
Canuckistan is 250(+) years overdue for the same revolution to throw out their royalists (now europrogressives) that we in the USA had. Perhaps the rural areas in Canada some day will rebel and have a good old Regicide on their progs. Where would we contribute?
Is Canada a suburb of Boston or vice versa?
Does it really matter that Canada doesn’t have a 2nd Amendment and we do? It’s pretty empty as far as bragging rights go when BOTH countries ignore the writings – see the article that follows this one to find out that words mean next to nothing to the libs.
Canaduh has little spine for an american style revolution. I have an extremely pro USA FB friend. He flies an American & Canadian flag in front of his home in a suburb of Toronto. He’s a gigantic strongman so most don’t mess with him. Likely has no real gats. No DJT on the horizon😧
Exactly.
The NFA should be a prime example of just how powerful Our constitutional rights are.
I believe the CCFR are doing nothing to help Canadian’s gun rights. This organization came out of nowhere selling a full line of merchandise with this professional looking website. They advertised their way into becoming Canada’s go-to for all firearm related causes. Its no coincidence this organization was created and given the reigns to combat the firearm ban. Like Lenin said “The best way to control the opposition is lead it ourselves.” Think about it. People sit back and say “I’ll let the CCFR deal with the ban. It seems they’re fully prepared for this fight. I don’t have to do anything.” The people don’t organize for themselves instead trust this 3rd party organization to do all the leg work. They’re controlled opposition and people are being fooled. Nobody is coming to help. This will be up to the people to grow a set and stick with what they believe. Together we can beat this simply by non compliance. They don’t have the resources to come door to door for confiscations.
Anything less than exposing The Truth About Gun Control provides standing for Gun Control. After all if The Second Amendment can be dissected in a courtroom then by God so can Gun Control.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=WlItbl9SOAg&si=zbQ1iV7xI9Z5QjHj
Deb the cry of racism goes just so far.
Subjects gonna be subjugated.
These sorts of things always remind me that no matter how many layers of “civilization” you might erect, people don’t change much.
There are two ways to get people to do what you want and only two, ultimately. “Civilization” takes one of them away from most people because it wouldn’t be “acceptable” to even acknowledge that this is how things work for our species, always have worked for our species and, likely, always will work for our species.
The result is that the people with a “monopoly on violence” do, mostly, whatever they like. This is hardly surprising since children work exactly the same way.
Yet, those is power have discovered something rather neat; they can throw some scraps to the plebs and stay in power while keeping the superstructure of power intact and getting away with substantial abuse while people fight each other about how great [scrap] is. In doing this, TPTB maintain their position while nothing really gets better for everyone else.
But, we’re not really supposed to talk about this and we’ve enforced that unwritten speech code long enough that a huge percentage of people have deluded themselves into thinking things that have no basis in reality.
Once you realize that this is upstream from basically everything, you realize that it’s also exactly why there’s no discussion of CLOs of back floating rate debt being sold to pension funds. This is also why I’ve asked for years about the connection between the 2A and international shipping and gotten *crickets* in response.
We, quite literally, can’t even have conversations about the actual levers of power, what they actually do and interact with or who controls them or how incompetent most of these actually are outside a narrow area where they’re actually extremely competent. If you try to show people the linkages, those people will generally react poorly because they instinctually realize that if this is true, it’s partly their fault. When you point out how that particular control system functions, that is, the one controlling their response, they’ll tell you that they’re immune to it when, from a physiology standpoint that’s impossible yet they are blissfully unaware of this. [Kinda raises questions about the nature/existence of free will but that’s another topic entirely.]
Take a dive into the current war revolving around the “Woke Right” and “Christ is King” slogan. If you can hold an outsider’s point of view and can deal with just a tad of nuance, it’s amazingly revealing. And, if you do that, you’ll realize immediately why I sometimes come across as rather dour as opposed to my actual inclination which is really rather hopeful.
Ah, what a tangled web that you find down that road, and Canada’s just a bit farther down it than we are. Makes me feel bad for people like Rider/Shooter that Canada has been laid so low, yet one can tell that it’s coming here if we’re not careful, which we are not being.
The people who hate you might have overplayed their hand recently, but they’re still at the table and their pile of chips is still far larger than yours. Leveling that playing field is a Herculean task that requires a deft hand that I’m not sure we actually possess.
Which is not to poo-poo recent events in our favor, which are both remarkable and welcome. It’s to point out that you’ve been losing long enough in a game where the point is to have the walls close in without you noticing that we need to keep that momentum going, or perhaps even accelerate it, for some period of time to get back to where we were in say, 1965.
People don’t like to admit they have been losing practically all their lives. Easier for millennials (and younger) especially for white males where most every experience starts with fuck you for existing. When such people possess basic pattern recognition it is possible to see some of what you outlined but fuck dude did you have to give me another 3 (minimum) rabbit holes to dig into?
Sometimes I’m like Oprah when it comes to rabbit holes.
And a rabbit hole for you. And a rabbit hole for you. And… everyone look under your seat… everyone gets a rabbit hole!”.
Well at least they are losing some of the funding sources we pay into to have them abuse us with. Lot more to go as you are hinting but best start we have seen in anyone’s lifetime.
[Apologies, this will be a bit longer since it has some details in it.]
There are certainly wins on the board, as I noted.
My concern is simply that R’s have a long history of putting up a minor win, declaring it to be a major victory (or THE victory) and going home only to let the Lefties retake whatever the R’s won and then go much farther over time.
This is there’s the saying say that “Republicans are just radical Leftists driving the speed limit”.
Due to my time observing this I mostly attribute the problem to the Right not spending any time actually studying how the Left has built its power base, which is a design closely linked to the concept of a “whole of society” approach on the international scale. This is entirely beyond most GOPers comprehension.
The Lefties interlink political capacity (elections and their downstream appointments) with institutional capacity (universities, courts, executive agencies) with NGO capacity (commonly/uncommonly known activist groups) with other, shadier, capacities (USAID style, often unions and such). From these positions they worm their way into private organizations (big finance for example). Each of these supports the others as necessary and will even hold ground silently as another part of the system is attacked. This is how you get something like the DEI or the “green” ecosystem that you have had in recent years. Ditto a lot of the oddities you see with something like “Soros prosecutors”.
They also do this at multiple levels. Local, State, Federal and International. So you can pick a fight with a local or state NGO and not realize what you’re getting into. This is why it’s often very hard to get rid of some of these things. But the Right doesn’t understand this and so they have little patience. They elect people who don’t understand the fight and therefore don’t do well in the fight. Then the grassroots gets mad that they’re not getting the results they wanted in the time they desired. Well, of course not, it’s a much larger beast than you understood it to be and it’s much more capable than you imagined.
It’s essentially a decentralized guerilla system in some regards. Damaging one entity doesn’t get rid of the others or even really hurt them, and if allowed to do so, the others will shunt resources to heal the damage done to the one you’ve attacked and then counterattack and take ground they previously didn’t have because the Right figures they won their victory and then fail to defend against the counterattack.
Where necessary, an entity will be dissolved and rebuilt under a new name somewhere else but serving the same function. You can see how the Biden Admin did this with “Scary Poppins”. They basically gave up on the “Disinformation Governance Board” and then moved the function to other areas. DHS had another group, the acronym for which I don’t remember off the top of my head, but they also moved large parts of it overseas. That’s why Nina Jankowicz was living and working in London and assisting them with the OSA. It’s also why the Brazilian courts have gone after X.
The entire purpose of doing that is because the UK/EU (basically the same thing since Brexit was made into a joke) are a huge market. A big company wants to do international business. They will generally comply with censorship demands from the EU to maintain access to that market. The result of the OSA has been that many forums and comment boards based in the UK simply shut down while others, outside the UK, are altering their comment moderation systems to comport with the rules of the OSA since that will also comply with the rules on the Continent, which are ever so slightly less strict.
These entities can actually tie up companies with insane fines that no company can afford (by design), yet at the same time, exiting the EU market isn’t a great option either since it will have ripple effects on the company. Does anyone really want to tell their shareholders that they’re simply exiting the EU market because of the 1A in the US? No. Compliance is the route of least resistance.
For younger people I often suggest that the MMO model is the easiest way to understand it. Imagine an MMO where each of these entities is a player but it can, in real time, insert whichever character they need for the fight in front of them. When unopposed they all play DPS but they can rotate in tanks, healers and bards as needed in real time. It’s almost like they’re a single character that’s maxed out every single possible character slot simultaneously.
It’s often easier for Americans to see in Canada, but the entire edifice is here too. In fact, it’s everywhere in the Western world because that’s how it was built. So, it’s self-reinforcing nationally and internationally.
Once you get how they’ve built this you realize that the Right needs a counter punch to this capacity. IRL, it doesn’t need to be as broad, deep or well funded because on most issues the Right has the public support. But they need a capacity to fight on all the various forms of ground that the Left has capacity-built in the past 100 years or they need an understanding of what’s going on here and increase their patience level, which honestly isn’t a great idea because it’s simply giving these people more time.
This is exactly the issue in Colorado. The Left built a very advanced lobbying system to which the Right has zero counter. There are 60-some Lefty lobbying groups in Denver, all with offices around the capitol and they march in lockstep on everything. The econuts support the abortion people who support the antigun people who support the animal rights people. They’re all basically tentacles of the same octopus. They will ALL get together to lobby for something like getting rid of TABOR (Taxpayer Bill of Rights) to increase taxes in Colorado because that’s the Lefty position and they’re all Lefties.
The result is that the Legislature is shown a picture of what the people want that is false. Everyone who walks into their office is a Lefty. Mix that with some activists in the Legislature and you’re gonna have a bad day if you’re not a Leftist.
The GOP has zero counter to this. There’s a single non-Leftist lobbying organization, it’s Libertarian. There isn’t even an actual, dedicated pro-Life group. Like, excuse me, what?
The Right assumes that just winning an election gets it done, they don’t understand the staying power of these lobbying institutions that survive elections and which exert power not just on the Legislature but also on the city councils, mayors and other groups which then report to the Legislature in some manner.
This is emblematic of the GOP more generally. Any rational ground game from the ColoGOP would have this state very competitive, a lot more than most people realize. Instead, it’s being written off as California 2.0 and becoming as such.
And this will spread. As I’ve pointed out before, the tentacles are spreading. They’re already in every major metro in Texas, and if allowed to spread unchecked, Texas will fall in the next few years. That’s not a prophecy of Doom, it’s just what happens when you don’t fight back. You can see that in the way voter registration had anomalies in that state last year, as I’ve previously mentioned. Or you can see it in how Abbot allowed, and even assisted, in Texas being a testing ground for Biden Admin Covid policies.
The same things are going on in AZ, NM, WY, ID, NV, UT, MO and MT.
And all I ever get from the Right is “NuH uH! We’Re dA ReD StATeZ tHaT wIlL NeVeR cHaNgE!” as you start to see Pride events in small towns in Idaho that they can’t explain. Or they simply deny what happened in Texas. I mean, shit dude, go back 15 years and Texas has atrocious gun laws and is terrible on the Freedom Index yet they brag about themselves when they’re worse than Colorado and New Mexico on gun rights.
They’ve only recently slingshotted ahead because those two states have gone electorally nuts.
And GOPers don’t know fuck all for history either. I’ve had people right here tell me that NM’s problem is electing their first woman governor, because of course she’s antigun and a Leftist. I’ve seen that same sentiment all over the Right-leaning interwebz.
The only problem is that it’s not true. Michelle Lujan Grisham isn’t the first female governor of NM, Suzanna Martinez was and she was a Republican, a hardnosed prosecutor and a gun nut herself. You just didn’t hear about her because it’s a small state and she didn’t make any news that would be clickbait on Breitbart or similar.
As per usual, the problem is us. Lefties gonna Lefty, it’s what they do. We don’t do much to stop them because most people can’t don’t have the attention span to read this comment, never mind something longer and more detailed that amounts to a battle plan.
BuT wE WeRe aT WeRk! will be what these people say as they’re stood up against the wall. Yeah, it’s actually that bad.
And it’s also incredibly divisive within the “Right” as well, hence why I mention the “Christ is King”/”Woke Right” thing. Horseshoe Theory shows up yet again but most people have no idea what that means. In this instance, it’s a link between the hard Right and hard Left in their dislike of Jews. Another thing I’ve been told right here on this comment section doesn’t exist on the Right when it very clearly does if you just look for like two minutes.
That, in and of itself, is an interesting microcosm of a larger sociological phenomenon where two people can say the same thing and mean entirely different things to their audience. One’s legit, the other’s a grifter/chaos agent but pointing out the latter gets you attacked for being anti-Christian. Which, interestingly, is the same as Nietzsche, as I point out all the fucking time because the Right hates Nietzsche for saying things the guy never actually said but the Right doesn’t know this because they’ve never read the guy, they’ve just been spoon-fed cherrypicked quotations BY THE LEFT.
It seems like it’s all linked because it is. I didn’t build their multilayered, multifaceted machine, I’m just observing it and reporting back on how it works, what weaknesses it has and how the people in power positions within that structure tend to think.
The time for purely linear, step-at-a-time thinking has ended. Continuing that path is more dangerous than I can really put into words.
1964/65. Nope that’s when America let the beatles invade America and it’s went down hill from there.
Damn you Ed Sullivan.
What chance does a Canadian gun owner have aside from full revolutionary insurrection? We in the USA literally have the 2nd amendment to the US constitution to turn too. Our government CAN NOT infringe on our right to own and carry military grade arms whenever we wish……right?……right???
Our government ignores this whenever and wherever they possible can using some of the most twisted and non-sensical logic that can be conjured out of an LSD influenced mind.
Canada gun rights will, quite soon sadly, only exist in the hands of the criminal class, and they’ll be very happy with this arrangement. Works great in Europe.
I haven’t read all the comments, so if I’m being redundant, I apologize. I’m curious to know how this socialist decision will effect U.S. citizens access and ability to hunt in Canada? I haven’t had the chance to hunt up there, but I have read a lot about amazing hunting trips. This ruling may completely destroy the guide industry. Very sad. If we aren’t careful, something like this could happen here in the U.S. I believe Biden was doing all he could to destroy our Second Amendment. And, if Harris had been elected, they may have succeeded.
Canada is a commie ****hole.
A nation of subjects, serfs and vassals will always seek comfort and safety in remaining subjects, serfs and vassals.
I don’t value/appreciate our Second Amendment because Canadia, or any other kingdom doesn’t have our our constitution. I value our freedoms because the founders valued those freedoms.