“Police are responding to a report of a shooting at a Charleston (South Carolina) church. The incident happened at about 9 p.m. at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church on Calhoun Street in downtown Charleston. Charleston police have not confirmed any information on victims.” cnn.com now reports multiple victims inside the church, while police hunt for a “clean-shaven white man in his 20s, with a slender build.” South Carolinians are prohibited from carrying in a church or other established religious sanctuary “unless express permission is given by the appropriate church official or governing body.” UPDATE: Eight fatalities reported, including the pastor.
Praying that no one was killed.
Initial report on CNN is shooter was white male, clean shaven in his 20s and it’s a black church.
Thanks for the heads up, Dan.
/sigh Why is my city determined to stay in the news this year…
8 fatalities reported. Including the Pastor.
I bet it was a liberal who hates black people and wants to stir up another push for gun control.
Jumping to conclusions already, I see. You do know that that’s what the gun grabbers do, right?
You do understand the difference between a bet and a conclusion, don’t you? Purposefully distorting our speech is what the gun grabbers do.
I’m just saying that we can’t really make any bets before we have all of the facts. The gun grabbers are going to distort whatever we say, or even fabricate it entirely, but let’s not indulge in the same garbage they do.
Remember that a certain TV “psychologist” made a claim very early on in the Virginia Tech shootings that the killer played violent video games… and later the facts came out that showed how wrong he was.
Firearms and religion don’t mix well.
Religion and humanity doesn’t seem to mix well.
Stop parroting your Leftist professor.
Religion and Humanity do mix, actually, and rather well most of the time.
Only when it is used as a cudgel does it become dangerous. Take that Marxist bullshit somewhere else, mayhaps some place where people don’t already know better than you.
Thanks in advance.
The do mix, like acid and alkaline…
See: ISIS/ISIL. That’s what it looks like when you actually believe what any of the Abrahamic sandcults write down as ‘gospel’.
Hey, 16V, I believe that the Bible is the literal, true, word of God. I also home-carry, and open carry at church, where I am a deacon. The problem isn’t religion. It’s man in sin. If it was religion, then please explain the death-tolls of the USSR and Red China. It’s over 100 Million.
God, in his mercy, sent His Son, and gave us His Word. These two things have been changing the world radically for the last 2,000 years. Don’t believe me?
gospelmap.com
@16V — Uh, no, ISIS/ISIL is what you get when you use religion as a cudgel, like I said, to justify the clearly unjustifiable. Now, go take that Marxist bullshit some place where people don’t already know better than you. Thanks in advance.
@jdb, Tens of millions of fathers sent their sons to die for the Civil War, WWi, WWII, Korea, and ‘Nam. Color me completely unimpressed with your deity who could only manage one son. And never bothered to even show for the funeral.. Especially as the earliest writings about “Jesus” (Matthew) were, at most generous, written 50 years after his supposed death. Cures the sick, rallies thousands, fights Temple Elders yet nobody writes about him till he’s been dead 50 years. Riiiiight. Learn (provable) history.
Excederine, Because the RCC hasn’t been killing, ostracizing, and outlawing intellectual thought for, oh, about the last 1700 years? Until it couldn’t anymore. We’d be 200+ years ahead of where we are now were it not for “The Church”: Please, do call Neil deGrasse Tyson and ask him what you sandcultists have done to the planet. Let alone Sam Harris…
You’re both still free to be the pathetically ill-informed who deny overwhelming historical evidence. Your right and all that. Just stay the eff out of reality-based scientifically proven discussions, because your illusory nonsense has no place in a fact based discussion.
@16V — Oh, please, do come back when you can actually tie religion itself, instead of the deeply corrupt and immoral people who completely inserted their own wholly fabricated meaning into scripture to justify all of that, and then you can participate in reality-based, scientifically-proven discussions. Then — and only then — will you even have a tenuous grasp on the overwhelming historical evidence that says you are in fact categorically wrong.
Unless and until this happens, you anti-Semite bigots can take your willfully misguided Marxist horseshit — which has killed far and away more people and in only just the 20th century alone than all of the religious wars of the past put together — and stow it where the Sun doesn’t shine, because that’s exactly the only place where it will ever belong. I’ll even go so far as to bet that Niel deGrasse Tyson would agree with me (and win that bet), and then move on to discussions about NASA’s latest efforts to examine Pluto, its moons, and the exoplanets lurking at the fringes of our solar system.
Things that you clearly aren’t interested in.
Not in the least.
Here’s just a tiny slice of the “love” in scribblings of bronze-age primitives that you believe. This is what all Abrahamic cults are called on to do – evil….
“Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the Lord your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel.” (Deuteronomy 17:12)
“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13)
“If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.” (Leviticus 20:10)
“Suppose you hear in one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the Lord will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The Lord your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19)
“If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst.” (Deuteronomy 13:7-12)
“The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: ‘Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.” (Exodus 31:12-15)
(I could do this all day, I’ve actually read the Bible, Torah, Talmud, Qu’ran, and a few other…)
All the OT law is still the law, so says Jesus at least five times in the NT.You should probably actually read that thing if you’re going to make insane statements that ‘it’s not full of hate, it’s merely people using it that way’. It IS nothing but hate and murder, that’s what religion is for – keep the proles in line, and give them a reason to do the bidding of those at the top of the food chain.
Judaism is a re-write of Mazdaism with some local color thrown in to make it more sellable. Christianity is the evolution of that, until the KJV which was almost fabricated from whole cloth. Crack a scholarly tome someday, it’s good for the soul.
So, how are athiests dancing in the blood of slain religious adherents any different from civilian disarmists dancing in the blood of other slain innocents?
You’re as sick as they are. Humanity is still recovering from the 50 million killed by your kind last century.
Did the commies kill people in the name of atheism? No, I do not think so. Communism is basically yet another fanatical belief system with a lot of bullshit thrown in. Reminds me of superstition actually.
@Silly discussion — The only difference there is that the state assumed the status of a deity.
Except that guns and religion really have nothing to with this.
It’s entirely about hatred, pure and simple, and how some people either can’t or won’t cope with it.
We don’t know what it was all about. For all we know someone might just have been sleeping around..a lot.
There is nothing negative about firearms and religion. I am a children’s pastor and I carry. When I’m preaching or teaching, I’m armed. When we are doing actions to an upbeat song, I’m armed. When I’m praying with a child at the alter, yes I’m armed. When they are in my care, I’ll do what I can to keep them safe. And I’m not alone. The youth pastor and lead pastor have their handgun licenses also as do several church members. God and guns mix just fine.
Whatever happened to just molesting them, then reminding them that Jeebus will kill their parents if they tell?
Children’s pastor? You must be a RSO, or will be one soon…
@16V — Do you have any evidence at all that KPinOK is some kind of a child molestor? Oh, wait. You’re just going to falsely — and knowingly — broadbrush an entire demographic based on the acts of a handful of perverts.
You are nothing if not a genuinely disgusting bigot, physically incapable of adding anything meaningful whatsoever to any conversation about anything under the Sun.
Seriously, you need to take a look at yourself when you type stuff like that.
Seldom a day goes by that somewhere in the US, at least one youth pastor isn’t arrested for molesting the kids. It’s a job that’s probably the ultimate perv magnet – brainwashed kids in a cult, what more fertile hunting ground is there?
I’ll go 50/50 and that’s being generous.
And since you are a Liberal Atheist, we know that you want to legalize molesting children, through Liberal Atheist groups such as NAMBLA and the International Communist League.
Go piss up a rope. We carry in my church. I wish they had been doing the same.
Oh now. The last hundred years, Stalin, Mao, Pol-Pot etc. Over one hundred million murdered by those professing no belief in a higher power.
Christianity was used until about a hundred year ago to rally the “useful idiots” by tyrants to impose tyranny. Now, for the last hundred years, those professing no belief in G-d have rallied the “useful idiots”, (per Stalin) to commit tyranny by mass murder.
You do not have to be a commie or have any other silly political belief to be an atheist. Atheism is just lack of belief in gods. Like a religious person is “atheist +1” since religious people usually only believe in one out of thousands of available religious sects.
Bingo
Yet another shooting in yet another “Gun-Free” Zone.
Prayers for the families, and bracing for the bigotry that will surely come of this from gun control advocates because nothing is sacred to them.
“Yet another shooting in yet another “Gun-Free” Zone.”
Don’t know yet if the church authorized carry or not.
(8) church or other established religious sanctuary unless express permission is given by the appropriate church official or governing body;
http://www.scstatehouse.gov/code/t23c031.php
How could this happen ? Says guns are not allowed in churches there. Poor sheep with nobody to protect them when the wolves hit the door. Maybe they need to change the law so that some sheepdogs can join the congregation.
No doubt they’ll use the abject failure of this policy to somehow justify more of the same.
“just maek dem illeguler!1!!11!1!” Sums up their entire thought process pretty succinctly, no?
“How could this happen ? Says guns are not allowed in churches there.”
See my comments above.
Guns are allowed with express permission of the church.
That’s why when I visited my sister in law in SC, I stayed in NC and visited a church in NC, where my rights were honored.
NC has its own quirks.
Like the NC House voting to keep the racist pistol purchase permit system. Hopefully, the Senate reinserts the language to repeal it and the House gets the picture and goes along.
Just visited there. Charming town, with the dresses and bowties and all. Shame.
Sounds planned. They have a bible study event every Wednesday.
Deep breath. Here we go…..
SC churches are “gun free” per state “law”.
time to change to laws about carrying in church
Or change of attitude about ignoring an unjust law?
“SC churches are “gun free” per state “law”.”
Not if the church explicitly authorized carry.
It’s a moot point as allegedly the pastor/politician was pro-gun control.
Another NRA Terrorist exercising his second amendment rights.
Stop trying to demonize this killer for exercising his 2nd amendment rights and standing his ground against the church that he felt threatened by. Oh, and another thing, if you liberal gun grabbers want my guns then you’ll have to pry them from MY COLD DEAD HANDS.
-Sincerely, an NRA member
Gun Free Zones are only free of good guns
thus
Gun Free Zones are obviously not
I’m actually shedding tears at this situation. The blood is still warm and you disgusting monsters are swimming in it.
Once again you caused this you disgusting NRA gun nuts with your obsolete right to murder and slaughter.
Why are we surprised gun-nuts? This is what you get when you have in your nation’s Constitution the right for anyone to have unfettered access to weapons and the spineless politicians who are at the mercy of the tyrannical NRA and gun lobby who refuse to change the law because you gun nuts don’t want to lose your so-called toys. The killing will only get worse as long as there is a 2nd Amendment. I’m worried about having a greater chance of being killed in a shopping mall or a church than being imprisoned by a tyrannical government. We are a nation of fools and spineless elected officials.
Please Gun-nuts, Please explain to me why civilized much better educated countries such as European Union, Japan and the Commonwealth of Australia tyrannies? How come they have stricter gun control and are much safer than us?, When have they had any tragedies.?, Answer, Never.
The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with sensible gun control legislation.
More Gun= More Crime!
Now let me grieve over this senseless incident while you gun nuts flaunt and act all high and mighty.
Really? “Never” happens in Europe? The Charlie Hebdo victims are unavailable for comment. So are the the victims of Breivik (2011) in Norway, Belgorod (2013) in Russia, Cumbria (2010) and Hungerford (1987) in England, and Dunblane (1996) in Scotland. ALL places with gun control of various strictness (far more strict than the US). Had those people been afforded the opportunity to defend themselves, the death toll would have been far fewer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers
In reality:
In the old west, bad guys had to choose their victims carefully if they didn’t want to be shot. (a fact from a famous historical western town’s museum of history.) Hollywood has hacked up truth for action and story for a long time now.
This tragedy will be weaponized. 9 dead. .
“Never let a good crisis go to waste.” — DemoKKKratik Chicago, IL Mayor Rahm Emmanuel.
I thought that was actually a Saul Alinsky quote, he used it in the book “Rules for Radicals”. It just appears that Rahm Emanual was a fan of the book.
there are literally never mass shootings in non gun free zones this is from the FBIs own stats i feel bad for these people but the church chose to make themselves a target if they have a no guns policy one would think that such an old black church would be more wise to the dangers of being disarmed i hope they gas the dude that did it
WELP, buying ammo now
Sadly this is reported to be 9 deceased. Another gun free zone massacre. In my church in northwest Indiana thereis abundant security. Sorry-I can’t believe these folks were that gullible and obedient in the SOUTH. I see they are already turning this into a racialhate crime thing.
People sure seem crazy at times in the comments section. Not much wisdom floating around. Is this how we want the progressive anti 2A people to see the Pro firearm crowd?
If you really think this comment section is bad, you should go and see the comments left on any of the self-anointed “Progressive” (READ: Regressive) websites.
We’re just pointing out the obvious and stating the facts as they really are. Neo-liberal regressives aren’t doing this, and that is because they physically can’t.
Why should I care about what fascist traitors think of me? My grandfather didn’t care what the Nazis thought about him while he was stationed overseas.
Simply tragic.
This is obviously a false report. The Law says guns aren’t allowed there, so it couldn’t have happened. Gun Free Zone!
I hate “progressive” “liberal” gun laws. I think we can all agree on that. I am one of those veterans who would have loved to have a range gun after my service. That changed during my time at my last apartment. At least 11 drive-by shootings in 12 months. Yes, so many I lost count. Oh and one guy plugged in the forehead execution style point blank in the parking space my wife and at the time six year old daughter were in 30 mins earlier. Longest 15 minutes of my life spent calling 911 every 5 minutes.. let me rephrase that.. longest 15 minutes repeatedly calling 911 and asking them where the F* they were before a gang war broke out at my front door. First arriving sheriff told me when that he basically did a 30+ minute drive in record time. This was 5 blocks out of Tampa city limits. As soon as the detectives got there I was on my way to the gun store to start my 3 day wait to get a new M&P9C. So yes I carry, I hate infringements on gun rights and after seeing more s* in my neighborhood than a combined 18 months in combat I have a huge horse in the race and a significantly chapped ass on the subject. Oh and twice my wife was down range on those drive-bys. I get it.
What I don’t understand is how, as I’m writing this, 9 people are dead and instead of having compassion for the loss of human life I see so much hate and flaming here. We carry to protect ourselves, our families and if we so choose the others that may be around us, unfortunately only when where and how we are “allowed” to exercise this right. Its a shame that 9 people are dead and the shooter is running around wherever and there wasn’t a good guy with a gun to stop him. 9 dead is 8 too many. The 1 that should be is the evil that caused the carnage. I immediate came to this site as I often do as my first source of info as soon as I heard about it. Now that I have said all of this, the only liberal that may have been killed is the pastor, if what USA today is printing is to be (i’ll leave it up to you) trusted. “The house of worship is the oldest AME church in the South and is led by South Carolina State Sen. Clementa Pinckney, a Democrat.” We can all agree to disagree or agree to agree. But the facts are 9 are dead and I see here constantly so much venom and closet racism slung at others over petty BS when I think we should be showing some freakin respect for the loss of innocent life. Lets keep it focused on “the truth” and keep it real. And I’ll say this:if I offended you I sorry your offended you, if my post is too long sorry for that too; and just maybe, if we as POTG play this right, this may be the perfect opportunity to prove what seems to be our most important 3 points to our opposition: only a good guy with a gun stops a bad one, when seconds counts the police are always more minutes away than we have to live and they have no duty to protect us-that’s on US. May the family, friends and community have peace. May their hearts be lifted. May their souls find their way through this. And please grant them justice.
Now that I have said all of this, the only liberal that may have been killed is the pastor
Read: the only liberal that has been pointed out *may* be the pastor was murdered.
Fixed it, its late.
nd one more change: “closet racism” should have said “closet bigotry”. Wish the edit button stayed up longer and that I hadn’t.
I’m actually grieving over this tragedy that you NRA “pro-gun” extremists caused and you disgusting extremists are dancing in the blood of the victims.
Why are we surprised gun-nuts? This is what you get when you have in your nation’s outdated Constitution the right for anyone to have unfettered access to deadly weapons called firearms and our spineless politicians refuse to change the law due to the terrorists of the NRA and the tyrannical gun lobby. The problems will only get worse as long as there is lax gun laws due to the 2nd Amendment. I’m actually worried about having a greater chance of being killed in a shopping mall or a church than being imprisoned by a “tyrannical” government. You gun-nuts are the reason the world shakes it’s head at shame at this great country.
Please Gun-nut’s Please?; How are safer civilized and better educated nations like the European Union, Australia and Japan considered tyranny to you sickos? Answer, They’re not because they have very strict gun control laws and the people of these countries value human life, Something we should have had in the first place?
When will the madness called “gun-right” end?
When?
Now I will grieve in peace as you disgusting gunophiles dance on the graves of the people who didnt deserve this use this as some sick perverse and twisted mentality for your politics.
Your just the kind of individual that I would love to educate. Except you went from zero to completely ingnorant in an instant *or* your handle indicates that what you wrote satire. If its the latter then well played.. If its the first then there is so much wrong that I’ll touch on a few of your points..
You state other societies are better because of strict gun restrictions. I’m calling you straight out on this.
1. Using “VivaLaSatire” as your handle, you seem to completely ignore the fact that in the not so distant past, still fresh enough that we all remember it all to well and still have raw emotions about, that there was a massacre that killed satire-literally. Charlie Hebdo-in France-a EU member-a country that is effectively disarmed. Restrictions only hinder the good in society. The bad do what ever the want. Because laws don’t actually stop anything. They deter and punish.
2. I’ve lived in the EU, not just visited-Germany specifically. Yes, I was impressed that the Bahnhof in Nuremberg had a remarkably small number of wanted posters. However, it was the worst tyrant in modern history that disarmed the Germans. We all know the “good” that came of that.
3. You seem to be missing the point. We are fighting to keep a right-not some kind of ancient archaic privilege. I think most here would join me in saying we would have like to have seen it go down something like this. Bad guy pulls a gun in church. Good guy stops the threat. Everyone but the bad guy goes home. Only another gun would have stopped this. This happened in the most sacred place in civilization. That did not stop him nor did any law. The only thing the law did is leave these VICTIMS defenseless. I personally did not go to bed until 8 in the morning watching this unfold. IT IS A TRAGEDY and your statements and hate make you appear the most ignorant among us. That is saying a lot if you look at my post above. I’m not dancing in anyones blood, I’m adding tears to it.
4. Not all EU countries have restrictive gun laws. And they have had there share of tragedies just like us too.
5. Illegal use of a gun means the gun has by default made illegal. In my state trespassing is a minor offense that has to come with a law enforcement warning. Obey the written warning and you walk away. Violate the warning and you “take the ride”. Violate the warning with a weapon and your a felon-Armed trespass.
6. I think the masses would back me on this. The best scenario would have been for this to have never been a thought. The next best would have been this monster being stopped, by lethal force as consequence of HIS actions. He made his decision to bring the worst kind of violence to the most sacred of places. No different then the kind of violence and violation of sanctity in Newtown. The absolutely worse scenario is the one playing out now.
7. This is definitely about politics. We now have a power grab in our country where money is running the show. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. It is this absoIute power that our founders wrote the 2nd Amendment to protect us against. I, for one again, am not dancing in anyones blood. But is my opionion that you are, even if this was “satire”. You sir/ma’am demonstrate being cold as you accuse us of the same.
8. While you are busy trashing our Constitution, this document gave you the right to express yourself-even if I disagree with you-or anyone else here-I respect this as a right and have done my best to respect you-even if you didn’t. It your right and mine. THESE ARE RIGHTS-PERIOD. Guaranteed in the Constitution.
9. Freedoms and rights have their costs. Many tragedies have occurred as a result and this is no different.
10. About the only thing I agree on you with is the value of life. I’ll add that it seems to go through a great variance in value for so many reasons-and this is a humanity issue. To me life is of the ultimate value that is infinite in nature and it is a tragedy whenever any of the value of life is lost-even when it is “our time”
11. I choose to protect my family and those around me with *proportional deadly force only as a last resort*, not because someone “deserves it”-but if I’m ever tried in this way I hope I don’t hesitate for a moment to do whats right-stop the threat to life.. You choose to be afraid of the mall and do nothing about it while I go to the mall prepared for the worse. I’m afraid I may not react quick enough, that I may have issues with “guilt” after the fact, my accuracy may be compromised because of the humanity of the situation or that I may be villanized by someone like you for doing the right thing. And if I honestly do it wrong that guilt will mean more to me than anything anyone could ever do.
12. Guns are an instrument. They can’t do anything without a trigger operator unless faulty. It is the trigger operator that causes the murder-or the trigger operator that kills one to defend themselves or others. The gun does nothing other than mechanically and chemically respond to the input. Knives are deadly force weapons too-my steak would have sucked last night without one-and this became a tragedy because no one had the ability to stop the evil because they lacked the means to.
13. Last but most importantly in whatever way anyone feels appropriate, atheist or otherwise, lets send the best we can in our hearts and minds to those who are grieving and if your close enough to “touch” one of them have the humanity to do make a positive difference-they need it-and since your grieving in your own way according to your statement-I wish no ill will toward you-I wish you peace and comfort-even though we disagree. Actually peace it what humanity needs.
And so there is no confusion, this^ is for this post, not the other VivaLaSatire posts above. Can’t tell if the handle got hijacked.
Here we go again.
Even if this was a place where you needed permission to carry, it’s still a form of “Gun free zone” and I’m sure this guy DIDN”T ask to carry. When will the anti gun folk wake up and realize that they’re the ones allowing people to be murdered. Next time a shooting happens, you can thank MDA and Bloomberg. They get off to it. Ms. Watts is too hideous to touch and Bloomberg is to old so they need something.
Pray for the families for Evil harbors no prejudice in its victims. The St. James Massacre in Capetown South, Africa killed 11 and wounded 58 at a Sunday evening church youth service. Charl Van Wyk, a Christian Missionary and legal concealed carry permittee, interrupted the 4 attackers with a 5 shot .38 Special. Although Van Wyk thought he missed, he wounded one BODY ARMOR wearing attacker, upset their plan and the attackers with FULLY automatic AK47’s broke off the attack saving many more lives.
South Africa regulates and licenses ALL firearms. A permit is required for every firearm.
Be prepared! Train. Carry everywhere all the time. Defend the innocent!
Another terrible tragic shooting in a gun free zone. I guess the shooter forgot to obey the law.
I hope he is already dead but if not, real soon.
(Alleged) Shooter arrested! Shelby, NC. Dylann Roof.
Another 9 innocent lives lost in a church “Gun Free Zone”. When are we ever going to learn that gun free zones are costing lives? They are open invitations to every lunatic, hate mongerer, and terrorist wanting to take as many lives as possible before being stopped. Let’s end gun free zones. And save lives!!!!!
I think if you could get rid of all guns, deaths in the U.S from gun crime would fall dramatically. But I don’t believe hardly any American citizen on either the left or the right or libertarian would support the actions and policies that would have to be instituted to properly put this into effect so that it would be able to work with almost 100 percent effectiveness.
1 getting rid of the second amendment and substitute a new one to ban all firearms
2 Abolishing the forth amendment to let the government seize all guns from private citizens home at a moments notice without a warrant or probable cause
3 lock down our borders to the north and south so there can be no guns brought in from other countries
This being said, the left as a whole would rejoice if number 1 was put into effect but would rail against number 3 and would not say much about number 2 I think as long as the government was only confiscating guns but if things the left holds dear were subject to being taken away by this unbound search and seizure grab then they wouldn’t support it. The right would support number 3 for the most part but in no way even think about 1 and 2. Libertarians would be against all three I think as a matter of principle and if these things were put into effect America would be a police state and how much can you really trust the government once it has that kind of power
It’s a shame none of you were in that church when the shooting started.
You’re a shining example of your kind. Congratulations. Now run along back to the CSGV Facebook page.
All robotic retorts aside, I was just hoping for the opportunity to lose a few psychopaths in the process.
It is too bad there wasn’t a person legally carrying there, there would have been fewer innocents dead. You people like dead innocents though.
I’d like people who refer to others as “you people” or “your kind” dead.
OK Silks, Jim Crow gun law supporters like you want more innocents dead.
Better?
Not really, since you’re still making assumptions off of no evidence. I had to look up what “jim crow gun law” referred to. But making poor assumptions is just another glaringly personality trait of a bigot.
@Silks – I have evidence that you want more innocents dead, your postings. I have evidence that you support Jim Crow gun laws, your postings. You are the one making poor assumptionsassumptions, which demonstrates, by your own standards, that you are a bigot.
Where in my postings? Please elaborate if you can. I’d really like to know where from the words I’ve typed on here thus far those inferences can be made with any sort of accurancy. (Something beyond your obvious “us vs them” and “black or white” approach to thought please) I’m curious to see how oblivious you are to your own way of viewing things.
Really? You can’t see your posts back as far as June 18th, when, at 2256, (that’s 10:56 PM) you posted that it was a shame that there were not others there, on a murder scene, people who you have not evidence of any criminal activity on, thus innocents, because younwanted those innocents dead, calling those innocents psychopaths, with no evidence. The fact that you were discussing gun owners demonstrates that you support Jim Crow gun laws, since over 95% of modern gun control laws are either Jim Crow laws still on the books, or based on Jim Crow gun laws.
BTW: YOUR labeling gun owners as psychopaths for no other reason than you disagree with our defense of Civil Rights is the ultimate “use vs them” and “black or white” thought process.
1) I never labeled all gun owners psychopaths. Not even close. But that’s a superb example of logical fallacy on your part. 2) I never said a single thing for or against gun rights/laws. Nice “us vs them” type of assumption right there. 3) My post about psychopathy in this comment section is supported by the character traits shown in many comments. Research the word and maybe you’ll see the connections (though I doubt it at this point).
But you proved my point by viewing my words the way you did. Thank you for your time.
Actually, look up “dark triad” in terms of psychology: because narcissism definitely needs included in this instance.
Where did I state you labeled all gun owners as psychopaths? No, I addressed the fact of your calling gun owners who support their Civil Right psychopaths. That is typical of Jim Crow gun law supporters. The fact that you did, as I pointed out, address those who speak out in favor of Civil Right, as spoken of in the Second Amendment, as psychopaths, for no other reason than your disagreement with those you are labeling, is a very good example of your narcissistic ideations.