BREAKING: Guns of the Capitol Hill Shooting News by Robert Farago | Oct 03, 2013 | 101 comments facebook twitter linkedin email comments Thomas Harkness says: October 3, 2013 at 15:15 The Revolution Begins!!! Reply john says: October 3, 2013 at 15:17 Unfortunately, that’s not the case. Reply Frank Masotti says: October 3, 2013 at 20:24 It would have taken someone other the the storm troupers shooting to do that. As I understand it was a woman and a car. The only shooting done was by the “police”. Reply Bob says: October 3, 2013 at 23:10 Right, and probably less than 1% of the shots hit their intended target. ST says: October 3, 2013 at 15:17 Sure the Tribune didn’t use stock footage of Nairobi?I see troops, not cops. That being said ,the ATF agent on the far right makes her tac vest look darn good. Reply Dirk Diggler says: October 3, 2013 at 15:30 she’s wearing a vest? that didn’t catch my eye. 🙂 Reply Jay1987 says: October 3, 2013 at 15:41 Dat a$$… Reply Dirk Diggler says: October 3, 2013 at 15:48 and the pony tail ropingdown says: October 3, 2013 at 16:07 But her face resembles Janet Reno’s. Still interested? Reply Matt in FL says: October 3, 2013 at 15:18 At least the Feeb in the first photo has his Eotech installed correctly. Reply NYC2AZ says: October 3, 2013 at 15:19 Can we call this a “police shooting” or “police involved shooting” at least? It seems to me the driver didn’t have a gun. Reply TheThingThatGoesUp says: October 3, 2013 at 17:17 Calling it a “shooting” is misleading if only the police had guns. Reply NS says: October 3, 2013 at 17:38 this is my question exactly: reports keep saying “an exchange of gunfire”. Did the driver fire a weapon? Reply ropingdown says: October 3, 2013 at 18:51 Which brings up the question, why half of these LEO’s aren’t assigned shotguns. A shotgun with the right slugs can break an engine in 1-4 shots. (No, not the slugs Buckets ‘O Truth tested.) Many PD’s have “the right slugs.” 5.56 can’t perform that job, so they feel justified just shooting the fool to death. “It was our only option, really!” Neither can an AR work it’s way to a perp behind partial cover as reliably as buckshot. I did notice that the first guy off the truck when the Capitol Police SWAT team showed up at the Navy Yard the other week did have a shotgun with extended magazine tube. So there’s hope. Reply Matt in FL says: October 3, 2013 at 15:20 So here’s my question. If this was a high-speed chase that took place from the White House to the Capitol, I’d think that it was over pretty quick, right? I would almost think it would be over before all these alphabet agency folks could get on scene… Reply BDub says: October 3, 2013 at 15:23 Why just react, when you can over-react? Reply Matt in FL says: October 3, 2013 at 15:26 Yeah, I was just thinking that some of those people probably came in from home, or a baseball game, or whatever, and I wonder if it wasn’t basically all over by the time some of them even got the call to come in, and certainly before some of them were on scene. Reply Rambeast says: October 3, 2013 at 16:12 Overtime pay is pretty tempting for them. jwm says: October 3, 2013 at 18:06 I wonder how many roof top missile batteries went hot when this happened near the white house? Reply Aubrey says: October 3, 2013 at 18:16 Another clear case for more car control legislation. Think of the damage that woman could have done! If only one barrier could be saved…. Reply Dirk Diggler says: October 3, 2013 at 15:21 wonder if the feds are trying to plant a NRA LIfe Membership card in her purse . . . . Reply Jeh says: October 3, 2013 at 15:25 Or peel the Obama sticker off her car. Reply DrVino says: October 3, 2013 at 15:26 They’re waiting for a call back from Holder about a drop gun. Reply mark_anthony_78 says: October 3, 2013 at 15:29 They’ve still got Zimmerman’s gun, right? Two birds with one stone. Reply Dirk Diggler says: October 3, 2013 at 15:30 Damn – beat me to it jwestham says: October 3, 2013 at 16:45 Ding ding ding! We have a winner! Brooklyn in da house says: October 3, 2013 at 15:30 From shutdown to lockdown. Reply Tom in Oregon says: October 3, 2013 at 15:53 Quick, shelter in place! Hide behind your “Barry-cades” Reply Lance says: October 3, 2013 at 15:30 A Lot of M-4s and HK 416s. need those 30 rounds to kill a unarmed driver huh!!! Reply Dirk Diggler says: October 3, 2013 at 15:37 they are highly trained professionals who can deliver multiple lethal blows. Reply ropingdown says: October 3, 2013 at 16:02 The guys in the photos are clearly not SEALs, and therefore have no business having such weapons in their hands. Reply Keith M says: October 3, 2013 at 16:25 True. A bunch of armed thugs. Reply Good Guy With a Gun says: October 3, 2013 at 15:31 Standing army, anyone? Reply Mark Chamberlain says: October 3, 2013 at 15:32 Why is Howard Dean on the roof, and who knew he could run? Reply Michael B says: October 3, 2013 at 15:32 Ah, police state. Thousands of trigger happy psychopaths wanting to “get some” just got blue-balled. Reply Werewolf1021 says: October 3, 2013 at 18:56 Brady campaign thinks the same thing about gun owners….. Might not want to stereotype…. But this is TTAG….. Reply LongBeach says: October 3, 2013 at 15:33 Operators operating in operative truck bed operationals. Did my tax dollars go toward that matte paint job? Cuz that is some tactical-ass sh!t right there. Reply Jus Bill says: October 3, 2013 at 19:02 Rattle can black. Only $20k extra for the guv. Reply jeff says: October 3, 2013 at 15:36 All this over ONE woman in a car This is practically the police equivalant of an auto-immune attack Reply Cliff H says: October 3, 2013 at 16:03 This regime has trod so heavily on our republic and our liberties and the Constitution that they are living in terror that even the smallest perceived threat is the precursor to the civil backlash they fear will derail their plans. It MIGHT be excusable if they thought this was the opening volley of a terrorist attack, but they are obviously prepared, and for obvious reasons, to defend the capitol against any large-scale attack. What, exactly, are they actually afraid of? Reply Jus Bill says: October 3, 2013 at 16:21 A little blind and deaf girl in a wheel chair with a good lawyer. Reply Mike Crognale says: October 3, 2013 at 15:37 “Blue-balled”. “Now that’s a term I have not heard of in a long time. a long time.” with Apologies to Obi-wan Kenobi. The reports I read said it was a woman who tried to ram the barry-cades with her car. I hope to God she’s not a registered Republican. Reply mp says: October 3, 2013 at 15:38 I like their fancy tactical pants with the built in knee pads (first pic), just like brad pitt in WWZ. Reply gemalo says: October 3, 2013 at 15:45 Where in the heck did they all come from? I thought all non-essential employees were sent home for the shutdown. Reply Jus Bill says: October 3, 2013 at 16:55 Krispy Kreme in Arlington. Reply Patrick Trudeau says: October 4, 2013 at 00:07 You Sir, just made my day Reply Ralph says: October 3, 2013 at 15:46 A perfect title, since these were the guns that did all of the shooting. Reply JP in Buffalo says: October 3, 2013 at 15:47 Why does it seem like the media is purposely being ambiguous about this? All the comments on the linked article point to people assuming this woman was going on a shooting rampage. My initial impression is that this is cop overkill, on a crazy woman who hit a cop with her car. Reply Jus Bill says: October 3, 2013 at 16:22 …One agent in a marked Secret Service vehicle was injured when the car in which he was chasing the suspect was upended by one of the Capitol’s electronic barricades as it rose out of the ground. Reply Chip says: October 3, 2013 at 15:50 Aha! Proof positive! The only thing that stops bad guys with guns is good guys with guns. Assuming, of course, the Police are actually good guys. Overall they are, but like anything there are always ‘those guys.’ Reply Chris Mallory says: October 3, 2013 at 16:28 If they are allowing “those guys” to stay on the force, then they are not good guys. All cops are liars. America would be better off if we disarmed all government employees and only allowed citizens to carry weapons. Reply Werewolf1021 says: October 3, 2013 at 18:59 But aren’t cops citizens….. 🙂 Reply Blue says: October 6, 2013 at 23:14 They like to refer to everyone else as “civilians.” dsreno says: October 3, 2013 at 17:21 That also assumes that the bad-guy has a gun. Reporters are now saying that she didn’t even have one. In this case, the thing that stopped a bad-gal with a car is an army with machine guns. Err, wait, they aren’t military! I’ve been getting the military and the police mixed up lately. Maybe it’s early onset Alzheimer’s… Reply ThayneT says: October 3, 2013 at 15:54 I think being anywhere near the area with all of those armed Feebs and Revenooers (ATF) would make me feel less safe than almost anywhere else. Reply Jus Bill says: October 3, 2013 at 16:24 That’s why there’s such a remarkably low crime rate in Vince’s (formerly Marion’s) plantation on the Potomac. Reply Henry Bowman says: October 3, 2013 at 15:58 Of course the praetorians will swarm… it’s their solemn duty to protect the emperor. Reply Chris. says: October 3, 2013 at 16:00 Weapons of War have no place on our streets! Reply D says: October 3, 2013 at 16:24 Is this an example of the lack of communication amongst the, what, 318 different jurisdictions here? (I may be exaggerating, might only be 310…). My guess is that the car chase ends in gunfire for what ever reason and the next thing you know a “shots fired at the capitol from a car ramming the barriers” call goes out with no background at all – and everyone rolls. With everything. The even more frightening thing is that they’re not idiots – they won’t roll every resource on a call like this, in case it’s a diversion. So given how huge the response was for this, how much ELSE is tucked away ready to roll? Now I think I know where those millions upon millions of Federally-purchased cartridges went….sitting unloved and unfired in countless mags across the city “just in case.” Reply SpeleoFool says: October 3, 2013 at 16:25 1st picture: Guy on left turning his EOTech around the right way…. Oh, wait, this isn’t the Weekend Caption Contest? Reply Gov. William J. Le Petomane says: October 4, 2013 at 09:33 If you’re going to do the Mogadishu UPC (unarmed personnel carrier) thing, you should really find a left handed skinny – er, officer – for the driver’s side. Reply Jus Bill says: October 3, 2013 at 16:27 Dija catch the Tactical Schwinn in the fourth picture down, lying on its side in the street? Looks like some agency didn’t fill out their grant paperwork in time… Reply Jonathan -- Houston says: October 3, 2013 at 16:38 These chunky monkeys with their tacticool toys are so far beyond ludicrous, that we’ll soon need to begin making up new words to describe their degree of asshattery. (I kind of like that one already). All of this overreaction for what? One unarmed psycho chick in a car with a death wish? Seriously? The real story here should be that we have so many overlapping SWAT teams (whose bellies overlap their belts) on perpetual alert. Despite having so many that we have to turn some of them away when responding to an active shooter at a military facility, we still have this much of a massive response during what is ostensibly a “government shutdown.” Good grief. Reply mlk18 says: October 3, 2013 at 16:41 OMG! The cops are wearing sunglasses! Militarization of police! Militarization of police! OMG they have a pickup too!? Militarization of police! Militarization of police! Reply Hannibal says: October 3, 2013 at 16:57 I like the cut of your jib. Reply ThomasR says: October 3, 2013 at 17:46 mlk18, seriously? You did see the first picture of the two guys in the back of the PU truck? Battle fields of the middle east anyone? The other cops running around with select fire M4’s ie true full auto “assault weapons”? And you can keep a straight face and make fun of people that are saying our police are militarized. You are either completely delusional and in denial or your a government stooge. I would pick a government stooge. No one else could be that oblivious; unless your a Liberal/ progressive, then all bets are off. Reply mp says: October 3, 2013 at 20:19 You are obviously a “militarized policeman”, no…? Reply mlk18 says: October 3, 2013 at 20:56 I’m just not gonna watch the vilification BS that TTAG and other pro-gun groups use to keep things rolling down the us vs. them path. Let’s save that for CNN and Huffington Post. I do know a lot of cops and 99% of them are pro-gun and pro-America. They also want to go home alive at the end of their shifts. So if they get a set of ballistic sunglasses that used to belong to a Marine, then more power to ’em. I have better things to whine and complain about, like Obama & Co. wanting to come take my guns.And guess what, I would rather those cops be on my side then send them the clear message that THEY are all liars and that THEY are the enemy. They are neither. They are us. Reply cyrano says: October 3, 2013 at 16:44 Where are all the shotguns? When you get in trouble just fire a couple rounds in the air and the problem will go away. Why am I seeing all these assault weapons with their 30 round magazine clips? I thought they were illegal in the gun free paradise of D.C. Reply GH in Boise says: October 3, 2013 at 16:49 Thought most of you would have caught this little tid-bit, the probable reason so many responded had to be that she wasn’t toting a shotgun, wasn’t a minority, and didn’t seem to be heading to a kill zone…. ehh, I mean a gun free zone. Reply Ralph says: October 3, 2013 at 19:01 She was a minority. Reply Jus Bill says: October 3, 2013 at 19:06 And a dental hygienist. Reply Fred says: October 3, 2013 at 16:56 That last photo: “Now, the chili-dog stand is two blocks that way!”, “that way”?, “NAW over there! Get me like five of them.” Reply VB says: October 3, 2013 at 17:04 I hate Obama’s politics and despise him as a man. That being said, he is the POTUS and my commander in chief. And it’s DC. A threat at the capitol building or the White House will bring that response. I would expect to see AR’s, tactical gear, etc. Reply jwm says: October 3, 2013 at 17:14 True. Reply Graybeard says: October 3, 2013 at 17:50 My thoughts exactly. This was a situation-in-progress, the level of threat was unknown, hostile intent had already been demonstrated, and the number of people to be protected against a possible terroristic threat was large and located in many different venues. How often have we talked about how long it takes for an LEO to get from point A to point B? Of course they would be going to their posts to protect those under their care – and so seen by the photogs in number. I took a look at the video of the end of the chase – where the LEOs surrounded the car and tried to get the door open, and the driver started off again, endangering the officers and possibly going somewhere else to try to do who-knows-what to who-knows-who. The LEOs had no choice but to open fire. They may or may not have known of the child in the vehicle – but their duty was to protect as many of the innocent as possible. I certainly hope the child is not injured, but the fact of the matter is it is the woman who endangered the child, not the LEOs. Let’s keep some balance here. Not all LEOs (including the ATF folks) are bad guys. In fact, most of them are not. We can discuss appropriate and inappropriate uses of our various LEOs, but let’s not paint them all with one brush dipped in the manure-can. Reply Jus Bill says: October 3, 2013 at 19:09 In thinking about it… Where the Hell is she going to go in a car in DC during the day? In rush hour? Maybe ten blocks, then a full stop. All they had to do was bide their time once the adrenaline wore off. Reply ropingdown says: October 3, 2013 at 21:57 The woman bumped into a security Bollard. Her car was nearly surrounded by Fed LEO’s who could see it was woman in the car, and may have seen the child. They clearly did not see a gun. By the Capitol it was little different. They only opened up on her when she started to drive away, the lady with no gun who did nothing much. I’m nonplussed by the security arrangements. I’ll be blunt. In a location dense with police a car can be stopped rather easily, but only if one of the minion have a shotgun with the right loads (or a .375 H&H with the old Speer Grand Slam Safari bullets the ATF ‘intimidated’ off the market three years ago, but which LEO’s can still use). Given that a car is often-enough used for mayhem, or as an approach/escape vehicle, and given the redundancy of guards….why on earth don’t one or two of them have an appropriate car-slaying set up? Tons of light-caliber rifles, subguns, pistols…none of which are car-stoppers. Where is my money going? They have missiles on the roof, but notshotgun or medium-boar with some tungsten-carbide heavy grain bullets/slugs? Huh? Reply int19h says: October 3, 2013 at 17:18 At least the FBI guys know how to mount their EOTechs. Reply Dirk Diggler says: October 3, 2013 at 17:33 Fox reporting she is Black and from CT. Reporters asked if news conference if she was somali and how can they rule out terrorism. Also reports are she had a history of mental illness. Hmmm. If Obama had a daughter. . . . And yes, I recognize he is kenyan Reply Ralph says: October 3, 2013 at 19:02 Apparently, Kenyans and Somalis don’t mix. Reply jwm says: October 3, 2013 at 20:44 Turn the lights down low, put on the Barry White, uncork the bubbly. I’ll bet kenyans and somalis can mix. She had a baby with her and was trying to get into barry’s house. Reply SCS says: October 3, 2013 at 17:40 I am already freaking tired of hearing “police acted heroically” Uhhhhhh, shooting an unarmed woman with a one year old in the car. Definition of a hero sure as hell has changed. Reply Graybeard says: October 3, 2013 at 17:52 Check the videos (posted elsewhere). They tried to stop her without gunfire, and she nearly ran them over. They risked their lives to try to save others – yeah, that’s a definition of a hero. Being killed or injured by a motor vehicle isn’t any more pleasant than being killed or injured by a firearm. Reply SCS says: October 3, 2013 at 18:35 Save others?? If you say so. Not heroes, though. They had vehicles, also. One woman in an Infinity couldn’t be stopped by other cars/SUVs driven by “experts”. Heroes my ass. Reply Jus Bill says: October 3, 2013 at 19:15 Uh, they did what they were paid to do? And trained to do? Doing your job as part of an overwhelming armed force is heroic? I have a slightly different definition. Reply Brian R says: October 3, 2013 at 17:49 “police armed with heavy weapons” – from cbs news coverage, showing pictures of multiple police wielding ar15’s. I love how when a citizen has an ar-15 it’s called an assault weapon, but in an officers hands it becomes just a heavy weapon. Reply gs650g says: October 3, 2013 at 17:51 So this is over a woman in a car. How about 10 guys who mean business? Reply PeterC says: October 3, 2013 at 18:06 I’m sorry but Efrem Zimbalist Jr. never dressed like that! Reply JaredFromTampa says: October 3, 2013 at 18:23 I heard she had a baby in the car…thank Jeebus it wasn’t a dog. Reply Ralph says: October 3, 2013 at 19:03 Rimshot! Reply miserylovescompany says: October 3, 2013 at 18:36 At this particular juncture I’d be more interested in truthfully discovering just HOW the deceased lady came to be surrounded by officers pointing their sidearms at her. I’m betting on crazy but it could very well have been a honest mistake, too. Unfortunately we’ll most likely never know. Tom Reply gloomhound says: October 3, 2013 at 19:00 I’ve heard they killed her after she got out of the car unarmed. Has anyone else heard if that is true? Reply Andy T says: October 3, 2013 at 19:17 Is there some tactical advantage to the matte paint job on that fed truck? Those are crazy expensive to put on and maintain. Reply mnoswad1 says: October 3, 2013 at 23:39 It seems that the flat black paint job is actually an easier target to focus on, it has no glare, stands out clearly among other vehicles, doesn’t blend in at all. it’s the opposite of stealth in daylight urban situations. Reply 4thInfantryStephens says: October 3, 2013 at 20:03 I think about the time that our police forces start looking like Special Forces it’s time to cool down the arms and equipment (including uniforms) headed on over to John Q. Lawdog…. I see PVS-14’s, M4’s, Sig’s, HK’s, military body armor… are they in the capitol or Fallujah? If it’s Fallujah it sure does look different from the last time I saw it back in ’08. Reply Frank McGhee says: October 3, 2013 at 20:22 Cut her (the suspect) some slack. She just realized what her Obamacare deductibles would be, and reacted. Can you blame her? Reply Soccerchainsaw says: October 3, 2013 at 20:25 Hopefully no terrorist organization will be watching to see what it takes to get a bunch of our security forces concentrated in one area… Oooppppsss, did I say that out loud? Reply Jay W. says: October 3, 2013 at 21:07 What is the ATF doing there? There was no booze, no butts (i.e. tobacco), no guns (except for the LEO’s) and no really big fires (explosions)? I guess it was a slow day, slowly processing suppressor applications and this was a convenient excuse to slow it down more? Reply jimmyjames says: October 4, 2013 at 06:45 Not even the FBI can get their web and nylon gear bags and pouches to match (in color). So it’s not just me. Reply Mark says: October 4, 2013 at 07:27 A lot of firepower for one unarmed women and child. Reply Write a Comment Cancel replyYour email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Notify me of new posts by email.