ATF to Pay Employee $450,000 Over Harassment by a Supervisor with a Nazi Tattoo

That’s probably the KKK. But there are some biker groups- especially those with ‘shorter’ paths to full patch- where you can’t throw a rock without hitting a fed.

This was the case with the FBI and the communist party for many years. For over a decade the majority of the leadership of the American Communist Party consisted of FBI agents and paid informants. But the red scare paranoia continued.

“But the red scare paranoia continued.”

Yeah I guess we’re unjustified in worrying about the economic and social communist bullshit coming from nearly ever Dem candidate and the Dem congress, and the gun grabbing and emptying the prisons coming from all Dem controlled cities and states.

“in all your posts you go on and on about how he dissed obama”

You are wrong in your statement, I have never gone on and on about how he dissed Obama.

All I did was quote the actual text of the article regarding the subject of the emails, in which Obama was mentioned.

The fact is, apparently Devlin in his emails went on and on about Obama, and you’re reacting to Devon’s email content.

Triggered much?

Yep, law-enforcement has always been full of racist officers, just ask Tamir rice or Philandro Castile.

No, I’m not especially upset about the content of the emails attacking Obama, it’s more about the use of a taxpayer funded federal law enforcement email account to promote his prejudice agenda.

Would you be OK with a gay ATF agent using his official email account to send out group emails promoting the queer lifestyle?

How about an Islamic ATF agent using his official law-enforcement email account to promote Mohammed as the one true prophet of God?

Or an atheist ATF agent using his official email account, sending group emails pointing out the hypocrisy of organized religion?

What I really find interesting in this situation is that Devlin has no sense of the irony of an Irishman expressing his racist views.
Just a few short years ago, the Irish were the brunt of all the jokes, no Irish need apply.
Thousands of Irish workers, fleeing the potato famine, were worked to their death building railroads across the USA. Buried in mass, unmarked graves, because decent folks didn’t want their Catholic sacrilege in the Baptist cemetery.

It’s kinda like the Israelis, just as soon as you get the Nazis foot off your neck, it’s time to become the conqueror and steal somebody else’s land and put your foot on their neck.
And you know, those Irish are just a bunch of drunks anyway, and like the name says they’re always pissed off.

Ah, your anti-Semitism is laid out for every one to see. You certainly have more in common with the Nazi’s than the BATFE agent.
Oh, your little screeds are so funny to read as you prove yourself to be the very thing you pretend to be against..

Where do you get the diet anti-Semitic?

I am opposed to the oppression of my fellow human beings, by anyone, regardless of race or ethnicity or nationality.

Hitler was wrong to kill the Jews and take their property, and Israel is wrong to kill the Palestinians and take their property. It has nothing to do with the color of their skin or their nose or their hair, and all to do with their actions.

Where do you get the diet anti-Semitic?

I am opposed to the oppression of my fellow human beings, by anyone, regardless of race or ethnicity or nationality.

Hitler was wrong to kill the Jews and take their property, and Israel is wrong to kill the Palestinians and take their property. It has nothing to do with the color of their skin or their nose or their hair, and all to do with their actions.

In 1918, it was Turkish land.

When was it ever Palestinian land?

If the woman involved used her official federal law-enforcement email account to promote her racist views in group emails, then yes, I agree she should be disciplined.

But at this point, there is no evidence to support that assertion so it’s just hypothetical BS.

If you actually read the documents, you’ll see Devlin, as her supervisor, denied her the use of body armor on several high-risk operations, endangering her life and those of her fellow agents.

This isn’t about somebody posting some nasty comment on their Facebook page, this is about official misconduct by a supervising agent while on duty, and misuse of taxpayer funded federal email accounts.

Really, don’t you think Devlin should’ve used his official federal law-enforcement email account strictly for business related to the performance of his duties? Or are you OK with him fucking off and sending dirty jokes out on company time using an email account funded by you and me? It sounds like Devlin is just another slacker wanting free stuff from the government, wanting you and me to pay for his email account so he can indulge himself in his racist rants.

You poor thing..
you only believe what you are told to.
You really think the article has all the info? Lol!!
Sorry, but you are a fool, and just happily regurgitate the crap that the media spoon feeds you.
I’m less worried about non-PC jokes being sent through government e-mail than I am about things like the attempted coup that is currently underway, the abuse of FISA, the use of an Unauthorized and unsecured server by an former acting SecState that contained classified materials that was hacked, and nothing done by the Feds.
This ‘woman’ sounds like a non-hacker and is getting paid off for being a whiny bitch.
Being offended isn’t something you should get a 6 figure pay out for.
And yes, Obozo was a sack of shit. Oh dear, does that make we wacist?

“You really think the article has all the info? Lol!!
Sorry, but you are a fool, “

So you have information it is counter to the published media reports? Are you willing to share this information, or is it secret?

If you don’t have a source or citation to back up your counter narrative claim, then you’re just full of shit spouting empty speech in an attempt to justify your flawed internal narrative of white supremacy.

OK, boomer…

Awe, poor lil’ Miner the commie thinks I’m a ‘boomer’!! Typical ignorance from a leftist.
Are you really as stupid as you make yourself appear online?
I’m betting you are.

Oh, nothing but personal insults? What a brilliant technique to prove your point!

Again, what evidence, source or citation do you have to support your assertion that there is a counter narrative to the situation in this article? Do you think the information presented in the federal suit by agent Bishop was incorrect or inaccurate? Or do you believe the federal court judge was somehow part of a fraud?

The leadership of the ATF made the decision to settle the case, does that mean they are part of the conspiracy in your counter narrative?

Come on man, how about a little more actual substance to your comments and a little less childish insults.

Typical liberal, Miner. Throw an insult, and when you get one back, you claim victimhood.
Boo hoo, poor Miner…

All I see from you is endless cheerleading for far leftist politicians and their ideals. So any replies of substance would be utterly wasted on you, as the ideas and thoughts would counter everything the left has told you to feel.
So it’s really not worth the effort.

Sergei, we understand that lining people up against the wall and shooting them is how you do it in Russia, but here in the United States we have the rule of law as defined by the constitution.

I’m sure you yearn for the good all days of the Warsaw Pact and the NKVD, later the KGB but those days of Russian glory are pretty much over.

You claim to be an immigrant from the Ukraine, so I am especially pleased to see a fine Ukrainian immigrant like Lieutenant Colonel Vindman testifying under oath about Donald Trump’s abuse of power, in a process defined by the constitution and the rules of the house of representatives.

You mean the guy who had no personal knowledge of said “abuse”? The very “abuse” denied by every person in power in Ukraine?

The only thing that clown could testify about is his opinion and complete lack of personal knowledge of any wrongdoing.

FYI – Lt Col don’t make policy for the Fed govt’. In DC no one gives a damn what Lt Col think. In DC senior majors run to get coffee and open doors. Lt Col make the coffee under the supervision of Full Birds.

Lt Col Vindman was/is a NO BODY IN DOD OR THE CHAIN OF COMMAND.

Sergei, LTC Vindman has served America, earning a Purple Heart in an IED attack in Afghanistan.

Have you served? Have you been in combat, been in harms way to protect America’s interests, bleeding for this country?

LTC Vindman is a patriot, who is speaking truth to power. It’s true that cadet bone spurs doesn’t think much of LTC Vindman, clearly Trump is the better man with five rich-kid draft deferments.

So please, share with the group what service you have performed for America that gives you the right to question LTC Vindman’s loyalty and patriotism.

The LtCol is a sack of crap. You only call him a ‘patriot’ because he is anti-Trump. You love your fellow leftists.
Yea, I served. So apparently that makes my opinion more valid.
What have you done?

“LTC Vindman is a patriot, who is speaking truth to power.”

If I had gone completely off the reservation, contacted my congressman and volunteered to testify in a manner designed to harm a Congressman, Senator, or President, I would have been placed under immediate military arrest, pending court martial. And all for the purpose of telling “power” that I had policy differences with the Commander-In-Chief. Your “patriot” had nothing first-hand to offer but hurt feelings.

Your “patriot” was miffed that Trump did not acknowledge that the “patriot” was THE highest authority on Ukraine, that the “patriot” dictated not only policy, but what was said about policy (Vindmin’s talking-point presentation prepared for the phone call). Which, IIRC, was the same position Ollie North presumed he occupied.

The only way I could have acted as Vindmin did would be if I had orders from my superiors (and I would need iron-clad trust they would not abandon me in the aftermath – a fool’s bet).

“ The LtCol is a sack of crap.“

Would you please cite your source to justify your claim about LTC Vindman?

Is there some basis for your opinion, or is it just empty speech?

I look forward in breathless anticipation of your insightful and on point resource that justifies your assertion, thank you!

You are miss characterizing what happened with the emails in question, many of them were classified after the fact and many of them were sent to Hillary‘s email by mistake by under links.

When will President Trump and ambassador Sondland be punished for using unsecured cell phones to conduct sensitive foreign policy discussions in Kiev, Ukraine? When will the administration be punished for providing crucial foreign policy and national security information to Rudy Giuliani, a private citizen with no security clearance, all in violation of state department and intelligence agency rules? The same rules you accuse Hillary Clinton of breaking, don’t they apply to the current administration as well? Where is your outrage over the current events?

Isn’t that cute? Making excuses for breaking the law.

No excuses, just wondering when you’ll apply the same standards to Republicans that you do Democrats.

Secretary of State: Paul used a private email server, where is your out rage? I’m listening now to hear you chant, “lock him up!“

Oh, but that’s different, right? And Condie rice, as Republican secretary the state used a private email server, did you advocate for her imprisonment?

Mindless49, SecState Rice used an AUTHORIZED server, and followed all applicable security protocols and record keeping laws.
Keep making excuses for your ideological brethren.,

Secretary of state Colin Powell

I would disagree, it’s always been my understanding that political speech on government platforms is prohibited under federal law. I would be interested in you providing a citation that authorizes political speech on government platforms.

My research indicates that the courts have ruled otherwise:

“In United Public Workers v. Mitchell,773 the Court answered in the affirmative. While the Court refused to consider the claims of persons who had not yet engaged in forbidden political activities, it ruled against a mechanical employee of the Mint who had done so. The Court’s opinion, by Justice Reed, recognized that the restrictions of political activities imposed by the Act did in some measure impair First Amendment and other constitutional rights,774 but it based its decision upon the established principle that no right is absolute. The standard by which the Court judged the validity of the permissible impairment of First Amendment rights was a due process standard of reasonableness.775 Thus, changes in the standards of judging incidental restrictions on expression suggested the possibility of a reconsideration of Mitchell.776 In Civil Service Commission v. National Association of Letter Carriers, however, a divided Court, reaffirming Mitchell, sustained the Act’s limitations upon political activity against a range of First Amendment challenges.777 The Court emphasized that the interest of the government in forbidding partisan political activities by its employees was so substantial that it overrode the rights of those employees to engage in political activities and association;778 therefore, a statute that barred in plain language a long list of activities would clearly be valid.”

And you might note, the court recognized a long-standing doctrine that “no right is absolute”, very interesting when applied to the 2A, eh?

So what excuse does he have for using his taxpayer-funded ATF official email account to spread Nazi propaganda?

“along with a series of emails sent from his ATF account mocking black people and then-President Barack Obama”

Neither of those is Nazi propaganda.

*facepalm*

Ah, Miner49 being stupid again. It’s as assured as the sunrise and sunset each day.

It’s certainly is a more reasonable explanation that the ATF guy who risked his life to infiltrate a “Nazi” gang and put many of them into jail is the REAL “Nazi.” Clownworld diversity grievance thinking 🤡

You do realize that mocking black people and o’bongo’bongo doesn’t actually make you a Nazi? Right commie vermin?

So our resident agent provocateur believes that using an official federal email account to post racist attacks on black people is not spreading Nazi propaganda?

Do you really believe that the Nazis were ambivalent about black people and that racial discrimination against black people is not part of the Nazi philosophy?

“The Nazis, at the time a small political movement, viewed the “Rhineland Bastards” as a threat to the purity of the Germanic race. In his autobiography, Mein Kampf (My Struggle), Hitler charged that “the Jews had brought the Negroes into the Rhineland with the clear aim of ruining the hated white race by the necessarily-resulting bastardization.”

African German mulatto (a person of mixed white and black ancestry) children were marginalized in German society, isolated socially and economically, and not allowed to attend university. Racial discrimination prohibited them from seeking most jobs, including service in the military. With the Nazi rise to power they became a target of racial and population policy. By 1937, the Gestapo had secretly rounded up and forcibly sterilized many of them. Some were subjected to medical experiments; others mysteriously “disappeared.”

Assumes facts not in evidence. Claiming something is Nazi propaganda does not make it such. Unless you have personal knowledge of said communications that hasn’t been published, you’re pulling an assumption out of your ass. The fact that the agent in question still has a job proves beyond any reasonable doubt that the “mockery” was not as you describe it.

The emails were sent out wide, not specifically to her. She is claiming they were racist. Are the emails actually racist though? It doesn’t take a black person to spot a racist email. How come other people who received the emails didn’t complain about them? Shouldn’t the other people get part of the 450k if they were so horribly victimized?
Also did he send any emails about other groups of people and perhaps Bishop cherry picking the ones with black people in them? If I send a bunch of “Florida Man” emails and 80% of the dudes happen to be white and then send a disparaging email about Trump’s character/politics that does not automatically mean I hate white people.
This just doesn’t pass the smell test. It is more likely Bishop saw the opportunity to get a payday by leveraging a colleague she didn’t like who happened to have an “evil” tattoo. In the current ginned up moral panic about “Nazis” she saw her chance and took it.

If you actually read the facts in this case and did a little research, your comments wouldn’t sound so ignorant.

Among other specific offenses, supervisor agent Devlin withheld body armor from Bishop during high risk warrant services. There were other specific offenses against agent Bishop committed by Devlin, taking 10 minutes and using Google to research this case will yield a wealth of information.

Tell me, do you believe that the court had less or more evidence than what you had when you made your assertion?

From the article: ‘In another instance, after Devlin yelled at her about the use of her agency vehicle, Bishop says “she found a banana placed on the hood of her car in her new parking spot next to Devlin’s spot — a racist symbol of viewing Black people as monkeys,” the lawsuit alleges.’
So yes, she alleges a lot of goofy things in her lawsuit. Most informed people know that a plaintiff’s lawsuit is just one side of the story.
We will never hear the ATF and Devlin’s side because Bishop took the hush money instead of taking her slamdunk 🙄 case to court. She can’t be too worried about an “evil Nazi” still working at the ATF because Devlin is still there and will face no discipline. Sorry but this was about leveraging sensational “Nazi” news stories to extort the ATF for a payday.

So you are in favor of posting crude jokes mocking people for their ethnicity on a taxpayer funded official federal email account?

And you don’t believe crude jokes at the expense of your fellow employees, spread on group emails on a taxpayer funded official federal law enforcement email account should be prohibited?

Fascinating.

Miner, I’m retired from the infantry and if you are butthurt over someone sending crude jokes, wow, you would go into full meltdown if you knew what grunts say and do outside of the public eye.

There was no one, nothing, no group of people, place, things, race, country, etc, off limits to us.

Again, the problem is not the crude jokes, the problem is the use of an official federal law-enforcement email account for personal enjoyment or gratification.

Yes, I too have spent time in service to my country and you were right, groups of young men can say some terrible things about their fellow humans. As they get older and more mature they’ll figure out that they’re full of shit.

But as a taxpayer, I don’t want someone using the government facilities that I am paying for in order to propagate their crude jokes and bullshit racist rants. If the agent had been a employee in a private company, using the companies email to do this he would’ve been fired.

@Miner
“Yes, I too have spent time in service to my country…”
Which country are you talking about?

Jesus dude, sometimes you sound like a damned narrative spouting liberal.

What you do is you get the symbol of demonic-scale evil laser’ed off your arm, at taxpayer expense, and brag your ass off about the scar. That’s normal, decent behavior any American should be able to grasp.

Not one wounded in the line of duty cop or veteran I have ever known walks around bragging about how he got the bayonet sticking out of his guts fighting for his country, still there many years later. He gets the bayonet removed, the injury attended to, best as can be done, goes on to live with the scars. Maybe show off those scars if he’s a mind too.

Hiter is evil, Hitler is evil! We never hear one blip about the genocide perpetrated by Great Briton across India, Not one word about the red famine that killed millions in Russia, or the murderous conditions of Russian POW camps. No no no, its all about Hitler being evil! Hitler is evil personified not because of how many he killed but who he dared to attack.

Tbh, I may get a nazi tattoo just to trigger people and be edgey.

I should also add that one of my M8s had the tattoo because of family and cultural heritage, not because he was a neo-nazi.

Arc the British were never as evil as the Nazis were. Not by a long shot. Stalinist Russia? Yeah you have a point. But the Empire didn’t industrialize genocide. It was the epitome of imperialism, sure. But I personally don’t see imperialism, particularly British Imperialism, as such the big bad thing modern leftist history sees it as. The British civilized and stabilized multiple volatile and barbaric regions of the globe, and if it hadn’t have been for Germany greatly weakening the Empire it wouldn’t have collapsed so quickly. The latter half of the 20th century with a strong Britain to help America counter communism and jihadism would’ve been a huge help to the world.

What a fascinating exchange on this inter-web tonight!

Working late, thought I’d check TTAG, imagine my surprise to see controversy.

It’s not really about who perpetrated genocide on who, your people killed my people, my people killed your people, we need to quit looking in the rearview mirror and drive the car.

We should recognize past injustices and do what we can to mitigate their impact, not forgetting but forgiving. No justice, no peace.

But I’m more concerned with peoples attitudes and behaviors, there are far too many extremist stepping forward, be at neo-Nazis or white Supremus or so-called antifa. It’s all just undisciplined bad behavior, being infected by a negative ideology.

Yes, we all agree Hitler gets the prize, he did industrialize genocide with Germanic efficiency.
That’s why today’s neo-Nazis alliance with American white supremacists is so troubling, they make no bones about their goals or methods.

Yes many countries, including the United States in the Philippines and Britain pretty much all over the world, did indeed slaughter tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of native populations, but with one big difference from the Nazis.

Only the Nazis had an official policy of mass extermination, they had no intent to pacify, educate, uplift or bring peace to the populations of the lands they conquered.

Nope, it was straight to the ovens for millions, all official policy, all forms to be completed in triplicate.

Even the Romans allowed much freedom in the countries they conquered, when Rome conquered a country they made all the inhabitants citizens of Rome.

America certainly hasn’t been the most ethical actor on the world stage, what with overthrowing Iran’s democratic government in the 50s and financing Michelin rubber and Royal Dutch Shell’s continued rape of Southeast Asia, but America has at least tried to up-lift the conquered peoples that it has governed.

“Yes, we all agree Hitler gets the prize, he did industrialize genocide with Germanic efficiency.”

The only reason we “believe” that is because the US Army captured so much archive text and video. Notice how little we popularly know about Stalin. His was the more efficient and voracious killing machine, we just don’t have the documents and movies to put on TV.

For instance….we do have knowledge that Stalin almost lost to Germany because he eliminated almost the entire officer corps of the military; fear of a rebellion. However, we do not have video. In the culture of today, if it ain’t on video it didn’t happen. We can run video of the Nazis, over and over. The video we have from Russia is mostly propaganda, and very little of that.

No doubt Stalin was a monster, and killed millions. But I think the vast majority were killed through corrupt government and inept management of their resources, many just starved.

The same is true in China, gross mismanagement of the limited resources coupled with the large population meant those who didn’t meet the favor of the government we’re likely to starve and millions did.

And we don’t have any video of Hitler or Stalin, video wasn’t invented yet, it was all on film.

“And we don’t have any video of Hitler or Stalin, video.

Video/film. Distinction without a useful difference. Point is, Stalin gets a pass because we can’t access the records. In the end, both helped raise the death count under socialism to amazing levels.

I’m not sure why you think that Stalin has it been recognized as a major villain and mass killer of the 20th century, the history books are full of his crimes.

And Hitler was no more a socialist then Stalin was a communist, both were authoritarian dictator’s who used whatever label they thought would work best to control their populations and gain power. The fact is, the wealthy industrialists prospered under Hitler, a prosperity that has continue to this day. Right here in West Virginia we have Bayer Agri- science, using poison gas technology learned in World War II to produce pesticides. Their profitability has been maintained for 100 years, regardless of their crimes against humanity.

#muhnotrealsocialism

Ok commie. This is why you Demokkkommies are sub-human vermin.