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From the Second Amendment Foundation:

The Second Amendment Foundation is cautioning the public about a new “toolkit” for gun control lobbying groups to help them campaign for passage of so-called “red flag” laws that create “Extreme Risk Protection Orders” designed to take firearms from people based on allegations from family members, intimate partners or others, raising concerns about due process.

The document was produced jointly by the Alliance for Gun Responsibility, the Giffords gun control group and the Educational Fund to Stop Gun Violence.

“This document,” noted SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan M. Gottlieb, “raises alarms because there’s a lot in it about taking someone’s guns, but only two paragraphs about returning firearms to their rightful owner.”

He recalled an earlier 80-page guide, reportedly paid for by Michael Bloomberg’s Mayors Against Illegal Guns, discovered during an Internet search, that provided strategies to anti-gun groups for mounting gun control campaigns in their communities. He co-authored a book about that experience titled “Dancing In Blood: Exposing the Gun Ban Lobby’s Playbook to Destroy Your Rights.”

Gottlieb’s alarms were raised by the inclusion of a letter from a California sheriff’s official that referred to a May 2014 multiple murder in Isla Vista, California as “a shooting spree.”

“Six victims in that rampage were stabbed or slashed to death,” Gottlieb recalled. “It also suggests the shooting occurred at the University of California, Santa Barbara campus, but it didn’t. The term ‘gun violence’ appears throughout, but there’s not a word about ‘knife violence’ nor any mention of the fact that the killer bought three firearms, all legally with background checks and waiting periods.

“We’re all for preventing violent crimes and tragedies such as suicide,” he added, “but there are genuine civil rights and due process concerns related to the use of such orders to disarm someone, following a court hearing they may not even be aware of, before they have a chance to defend against any allegations. This guide asserts guns are ‘temporarily’ removed, but that is not really be the case in some instances.

“This document calls itself a ‘toolkit’ for saving lives,” Gottlieb said, “but it talks more about taking guns from people than protecting their rights and means of self-defense. So far as we can tell, this is just another gun control strategy guide aimed at preventing gun ownership rather than preventing tragedies.”


The Second Amendment Foundation ( is the nation’s oldest and largest tax-exempt education, research, publishing and legal action group focusing on the Constitutional right and heritage to privately own and possess firearms. Founded in 1974, The Foundation has grown to more than 650,000 members and supporters and conducts many programs designed to better inform the public about the consequences of gun control.

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  1. Odd thing is… I know a few… impulsive, egotistical individuals who lack any conflict resolution skills that need their guns taken for everyone’s safety.
    Thing is, they’re loyal Dems. who advocate for stronger gun laws like this.

    Like I said, odd.

    Anyway… I find it par for the course that they barely mention returning the firearms or any repercussions for fraudulent claims.

    • Patrol LEOs care, especially in the beginning of their careers. But as they work their way up the ladder and get promoted to upper echelons, the focus starts to blend with the political and moves away from the practical. The patrolling LASD Deputy or LAPD officer, for example, is focused on keeping his streets crime-free and never crosses paths with the Mayor or Governor. The Sheriff and/or Police Chief, however, rub elbows with those characters and conduct themselves with purely political motives instead of running their departments to…you know…actually deter crime.

      Such is not likely the case in smaller communities, but we certainly see this in metropolitan cities across the country.

  2. Talk to your neighbors. Bring up due process.

    Ask them if they’d want their life ruined over a lie.

    If you live in a gun UNfriendly state, bring up the rule of law, and ask how existing laws actually stop any crime, and what law would be “enough”?

    Reference the recent Germany shooting and look at the existing laws Germany has already.

    Finally, ask them if they’d want to have the best tool available (for them) to defend against an invader, and reference 911 response times and throw in the 911 operator that hung up on a woman recently (past year or two).

  3. I kinda think of them as Red Flag “Constipation” Laws, because whenever enough sensible people see them for what they really are, then the courts will become clogged with lawsuits.

    • “The People will not rest until every bitter clinger is rounded up.”

      The confused look on your face when you are ’rounded up’ is going to be *priceless*.

      Make no mistake, we will be the ones laughing last and best… 😉

      • The People are tired of a partially constructed marginally effective police state.

        The People want an efficiently run centralized apparatus with a 99% success rate.

        We can do this.

        This is America.

  4. Here in Florida it is unneeded. The weenie Republican’s protecting our gun rights couldn’t wait to sign up of it.

  5. The attempts at subverting the Constitution will never stop until and unless lawmakers are prosecuted for malfeasance of oath, treason, and everything else in the book. We need people running for office that will fight back by writing even more laws against Constitutional violations all the from top to bottom rung of the people trying to enforce unconstitutional laws.

  6. This country with its plastic politicians and their gun control BS has gotten way out of hand. I guess all of the issues such homelessness and hunger and adequate health care have just been swept under the political rug. The politicians are all lame ducks and need to dismiss themselves from office and get lost. Anyone who thinks that gun control is the answer to stop violence is a an idiot and does not have their eyes open to see the real issues surrounding them in their daily lives.

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