Disarmament by Bureaucracy: Florida Ag Commissioner Slow-Walking Carry Permit Reinstatement

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We have been covering the ongoing bureaucratic obstructionism caused by Florida’s newly-elected Democrat Commissioner of Agriculture and Consumer Services, Nikki Fried. She now oversees the issuance of concealed weapons licenses in the state and appears to be making the process a nightmare. A fellow Floridian I know is getting a taste of the department’s new systems and policies first hand.

As we documented earlier, he received a certified letter from the  Commissioner’s office stating that his concealed weapons license had been indefinitely suspended. The Ag Department claimed he had an injunction (restraining order) filed against him in Nassau County in 2003. That was false and he obtained proof from the court, per the Ag Department’s instructions, that no such injunction had ever been issued.

Well, they’re still playing games and haven’t yet re-issued is license. This week, he received the following letter from the “Administrative Assistant” of the Dept. of Agriculture:

The Ag Department required him to prove his innocence by obtaining a certified letter from the court. As we documented, he went to the Nassau County Clerk of Courts and obtained a letter certifying that no injunction was ever filed against him.

He presented the letter to the regional Ag Department office. They told him he’d they would need to verify the letter before reinstating his carry license. That process, he was told, would take three to four weeks.

Now they’re claiming the letter he provided from the Clerk of Courts is insufficient proof because it isn’t “certified.”

He returned to the regional Ag Department office in Jacksonville. They told him that there was another problem with the letter the court had provided. It only lists his first and last name. The Ag Department claims that the non-existent injunction that was allegedly filed against him used his full name; first, middle, and last.

He’ll now have to repeat the process, with another three to four week delay.

As mentioned in our prior article, it’s astounding that the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services can’t pick up a phone and call the Nassau County Clerk of Courts to verify this information themselves.

What’s more, the Agriculture Department has access to all the necessary online systems to clear this up. Apparently using a phone or logging into the Florida Comprehensive Case Information System or the public Clerk of Courts’ database is utterly beyond their bureaucratic capabilities.

Or maybe they’re deliberately slow-walking the process and putting up every possible roadblock to discourage him from getting his carry permit reinstated.

Remember folks, a right delayed is a right denied.

 

comments

  1. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

    This is why we need Constitutional carry.

    1. avatar Silver Beard says:

      If this spreads very far then there just might be more citizens exercising their Constitutional rights without state or federal govt special permission slip…Just sayin’…

      1. avatar Kyle says:

        Already happening all over.

        Civilian compliance with gun laws is at historic lows.

      2. avatar Henry says:

        I wonder if there are any injunctions on record in Nassau County under the name Carl Drega? Maybe Fried should take the time to find out, it might be important to her.

    2. avatar Justsomeguy says:

      This

  2. avatar EWTHeckman says:

    “Or”?

    It seems to me that there is no “or” about it. They are clearly engaging in willful abuse of unstated “rules” to deny him his constitutional rights under color of authority.

    1. avatar DDay says:

      He needs to go to court and sue fried. Get others involved who are getting this treatment and file it class action. The way to end this abuse is to sue and get the FL court to put fried in her place.

  3. avatar Johnny Go Lightly says:

    Why doesn’t he ask for a copy of the information/document that Florida has ? Call their bluff…

    1. avatar Batterycap says:

      If only that were possible. The power only flows one way.

      1. avatar Michael Kohrs says:

        Worth a try just to call a bluff. Last I heard it was innocent until proven guilty. In bureaucracy its turned around, guilty until proven innocent.

  4. avatar RA-15 says:

    It’s obvious what they are doing. A phone call would take a few minutes. The time and effort they have spent to make his life miserable speaks volumes as to their intentions. Bureacratic bullshit at its finest. Tyrants will stick it to us every chance they get & then some.

  5. avatar Jim Bullock says:

    Interesting for a civil rights lawsuit. Fraud. Abuse under cover of authority — sorry, authoritah. Mis-management and negligance by the overeeing officials.

    Time is so discovery hits, around peak of next election. The ads write themselves. Next one is going to be a “turnout election.” The game is to generate material that the already motivated can show their semi-motivated friends, to get them to show up n vote.

    The D-party have already positioned that citizen disarmament by another name is one of their policy planks (public preferences be damned), and they’re targeting the vote-counting (“What matters is who counts the votes.”, now, who said that first, again?)

    Use their impositions — I mean positions — to motivate the actual electorate, to beat them by the margin of fraud. Conveniently, they’re demonstrating in Florida, Washington, and DC what their version of “If you like your guns, you can keep your guns.” means.

    1. avatar Hannibal says:

      Yup, this is a lawsuit. Wouldn’t work in fully libtarded states like NJ, NY, etc but in Florida it has a chance.

      But lawyers cost $$$ and there will not be a payout here.

      1. avatar Whoopie says:

        Still, via discovery, it would be interesting to see where these erroneous reports of injunctions are coming from. Surely not from the county courts that have no record of them.

  6. avatar NORDNEG says:

    Isn’t there any 2A friendly attorneys in Florida??? & I thought that the governor was a 2A supporter…, he should fire the A G commissioner.

    1. avatar Stu Silverman says:

      The Governor is aware of her antics and is keeping tabs of complaints from licensees. I am an
      instructor and have been told that if her “line of thinking” does not allow for fair and just judgements,
      then she will be on her way out…right now is just a waiting game but if any of the license holders are
      experiencing any type of problems, they should immediately contact the Governor’s office.

    2. avatar Stu Gross says:

      The Governor is aware of her antics and is keeping tabs of complaints from licensees. I am an
      instructor and have been told that if her “line of thinking” does not allow for fair and just judgements,
      then she will be on her way out…right now is just a waiting game but if any of the license holders are
      experiencing any type of problems, they should immediately contact the Governor’s office.

  7. avatar Dennis Sumner says:

    Another anti constitutional lawmaker! Great. We need ” someone” to make these people understand they’re paid to support and enforce laws, not make their own.

  8. avatar Michael says:

    Once again, they’ve got us rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Progressive/democrat/socialists are like palmetto bugs. If you see one, you’ve got millions. Saw it off and let it float down to Cuba and Venezuela. -30-

  9. avatar cgray says:

    Yeah, I would carry anyway, go up to the first cop I saw, explain the situation, and beg him to arrest me. FREE MONEY.

  10. avatar MDH says:

    Sue. Sue, sue, sue, sue, SUE!. At this point, a Supreme court ruling is the only way we’ll establish constitutional carry.

  11. avatar Crabbyoldguy says:

    Get in front of the court who provided the first certification, ask for another along with a warrant for her arrest for deprivation of rights and contempt of court. Bring reporters.

    Seems like she’s making this up as she goes along. If they can’t fully explain the process in detail in advance, you’re under no obligation to follow it.

    1. avatar rosignol says:

      I don’t think it’s contempt unless they’re defying a court order or a ruling.

      With that said, yeah, he could go before a judge and claim his permit was improperly revoked, present his evidence and describe the bureaucrat’s actions to impede restoration of his rights, and request a court order that it be reinstated.

      If the bureaucrats defy that, yeah, contempt.

  12. avatar TFred says:

    1983. PERSONAL liability.

  13. avatar Bierce Ambrose says:

    So, all is going as foretold.

    1. avatar WI Patriot says:

      Hindsight is 20/20…

  14. avatar Nanashi says:

    This is the fault of Rick Scott for suborning voter fraud. That cost Caldwell the seat the people of Florida by all rights elected him to.

    1. avatar GluteusMaximus says:

      Yeah Scott was more concerned about his senate election

    2. avatar barnbwt says:

      Something tells me he’s not too broken up about increasing gun control.

  15. avatar strych9 says:

    The ol’ run around.

    One nice thing about some places is that while it may not be right, you could take care of something like this quickly with a bribe. Might work with Democrats in this country too.

  16. avatar TheTruthBurns says:

    That’s why the At Commissioner should be Killed. Shot Dead.

  17. avatar Jaque says:

    The rat heading up Florida’s CCW program is a Trojan Horse. She is a hard core anti gun commust. Her election win was validated. But it’s still suspect. She ran on a platform of legal marijuana and gun control. And as Florida fills up with New Yorkers running to a income tax free state gun control including bans and confiscation will be front and center in all elections.

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article221862885.html

  18. avatar opto_isolator says:

    I’m within my 150 day window for renewal, but 1 week, and still haven’t received my renewal notice yet. Reading these stories makes me worried that my permit will not be renewed on time as well.

    I sent a note to Destantis’s office when the last story dropped, to no avail. No response at all.

    If this is the same type of horse shit that I’m going to have to deal with in renewing mine – I plan on hiring a lawyer. This is beyond reproach. This guy needs to hire a lawyer now – stop messing around with the court, get a certified letter from a lawyer and send to Nikki herself. They have to respond. Threaten a large lawsuit.

    1. avatar strych9 says:

      They might respond but it’s probably going to be a piece of paper with a nice letterhead telling you to fuck off.

      Lawsuits don’t scare these people because even if you win it will take years and it’s not their money at stake. Plus, they get to virtue signal for the duration of the case.

      1. avatar lomax says:

        Write a letter to the Governor’s Office, he is well aware of what is going on and if there are enough
        valid complaints he could fire this woman. Her ambitions were well known before she got on the
        job and she would be perceived as most prejudicial….but you must let your views known!

  19. avatar Sam I Am says:

    “Remember folks, a right delayed is a right denied.”

    An action transferred is an action completed.

    1. avatar barnbwt says:

      Meanwhile, the NFA form times stretch out past a full year, courtesy of the shut-down firing all the temp workers who had gotten the wait times reasonable. No direction has been given to address the issue.

  20. avatar MJ Cunningham says:

    If my memory serves me correctly, Democrat Bill Nelson was your AG Commissioner back in the 80s and 90s when I lived in Naples. I am glad to see he was not elected as your Governor last fall. I would think Ron DeSantis would step up and motivate the AG to do her job. Ron ran as a 2nd Amendment supporter.

    If you want to avoid all of these issues, just make a plan to join us in Arizona. We have Constitutional carry, CCWP with 8 hrs training and most of the state and local law enforcement support gun owners. Jobs are plentiful, wages are good, no hurricanes, great schools and reasonable taxes.

    1. avatar KenW says:

      You have Nogales. Page, Flagstaff, Tucson and a number of small blue liberal cities with plenty more moving your way. So you too will start having the same problem we with are starting to have with the Palm Beach/Broward/Dade megalopolis

      1. avatar Kyle says:

        There is blue, and then there is BLUE.

        I dont think Arizona could compare with CA, NY, MA etc when it come to liberal insanity.

    2. avatar Sovereign says:

      What you describe is not going to last long in Arizona. They elected a leftist democrat to the US Senate, and the state is on its way to turning left, just as other states have done. As is so often the case, the republicans there are too lazy, stupid, incompetent and corrupt to get the job done.

  21. avatar HuntingtonGuy says:

    Here in NY we have an action known as an Article 78, I’d imagine Florida has a similar statute that allows an expeditious court based challenge to this sort of BS. The majority never get to court because the mere filing of it normally prompts the offending agency to comply without the annoying court ordered intervention a 78 can elicit.

    These cases are good eye openers for all the folks who have been hanging their hats on NY, Cali, IL et al being too extreme and too far away to effect them.
    Liberalism and staunch antigunism are spreading. It’s not only our fight any more, now it is everyone’s fight.

  22. avatar RMS1911 says:

    Time for desantis to nut up and push Constitutional carry.
    Also anyone getting jerked around by people claiming they have the legal right to do so
    Should sue them under 18 USC 242.

    1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      Correction: we need federal prosecutors to PROSECUTE these bureaucrats under 18 United States Code section 242 and send them to prison.

  23. avatar Geoff PR says:

    His response to that letter should be that he considers their letter stating his ‘permit’ was suspended to be invalid, since it wasn’t certified and notarized.

    Dare them to arrest him, so he can sue their asses off in court for conspiracy to violate his enumerated civil right…

  24. avatar Etoine Schrdlu says:

    This is retribution for the purge of “inactive” voters from the voter registration roles prior to the 2016 election. Ms. Fried knows she can’t change the law, but she can make a POA of herself by disallowing this man’s permit by saying that his name was “too similar” to that of some with an injunction against him. She can then keep saying that the documentation presented to her office isn’t “certified enough” to reinstate the permit. The trick here is to find out exactly how “certified” the document has to be. Does it have to certified by the county judge, the local CLEO, and carried via certified letter by a USPS delivery person? What else? She can say that the letter was typed in the wrong font, incorrect point size, with incorrect spacing and borders. She can pretty much stall until her term expires or a scandal forces her to resign. This sounds like a the beginning of an abuse of power scandal .

  25. avatar Timothy Toroian says:

    She’s will be sued and lose!

  26. avatar Gideon Rockwell says:

    Sounds like the Pro-Gun movement in Florida needs to start a recall election petition for the Ag Commissioner. Why in the world is the Ag Dept. over license to carry anyway. In every other state the head of public safety over sees the process. Maybe Florida needs a Constitutional Carry movement??

  27. avatar Jay in Florida says:

    The Agricultural Dept got the permits back in 89 or so. We didn’t want Law Enforcement to have anything to do with the permit process. Had to be taken care of by an elected answerable official.
    This is how the AG Dept got the permits instead of the cops.
    Now we got this antigun biach who stole her job with 80,000 votes found after election day and Caldwell being declared the winner.

  28. avatar Kyle says:

    And they wonder why more and more people are no longer even bothering to comply with the gun laws of the united states.

    This kind of thing will end badly at some point, when an otherwise law abiding citizen is forced to go to jail for defending his own life with his illegally carried gun.

    It will happen….it probably already has.

    Then when they get out of jail, the same person will have to commit more felonies when they illegally purchase a gun for no crime whatsoever other then the future need to defend their own lives with their illegally acquired and illegally carried firearm.

  29. avatar ecridr says:

    Call Florida Governor Ron DeSantis’s office and get him involved, or his AG.
    Contact the NRA and ask for their help; they better help!
    Contact Mr. L. Lin Linwood, attorney for Nick Sandmann from Covington High School for help. I heard and saw on Life, Liberty and Levin, on March 10, 2019 that Mr. Linwood is a good man! If he can’t help, maybe he knows of a colleague that could help sue for defamation, lack of Constitutional rights, and injustice, on so many levels! Maybe even help to get her and those clerks fired for “incompetence”!

    The time is now for all of us to start pushing back! Keep this in mind: if you or your loved ones get hurt in any way, by any means, because your gun rights were taken away from you, sue them for not protecting you!!

    Keep up the pressure on the Governor. He seemed like a good man when he was in Congress, so keep sending multiple complaints, via phone or mail, to his office every single day.

  30. avatar Roger J says:

    I went to the Ag office in Ft. Myers to renew my permit Friday. It had expired 8 days prior so I had to pay a late fee and was out the door in about 20 minutes with a new ID. I got the impression if its expired more than 180 days one must reapply at step 1.

  31. avatar Docduracoat says:

    I renewed mine online.
    I’m waiting fir the actual permit to arrive.
    Interestingly, here in Florida you have to produce government issued I.D. to vote ote that has your signature on it.
    They accept your concealed weapons permit as sufficient I.d.!

  32. avatar Docduracoat says:

    I renewed mine online.
    I’m waiting fir the actual permit to arrive.
    Interestingly, here in Florida you have to produce government issued I.D. to vote that has your photo and signature on it.
    They accept your concealed weapons permit as sufficient I.d.!

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