Investigators work on top of the underground bunker at the Branch Davidian compound near Waco, Texas on Monday, May 3, 1993 as the search continues for more bodies at the burned out compound. The heavily armed religious sect’s complex burned on April 19, killing an estimated 72 people. (AP Photo/Ron Heflin)
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By Lee Williams

No one makes a better case for abolishing the ATF than the ATF.

There has never been a federal agency with so little regard for the sanctity of human life, with such a history of failure, with such antiquated duties and responsibilities, with such a propensity to overreact, with such an addiction to good press, with such a willingness to bend over for any politician in charge, and – as we currently see playing out – with such little regard for the constitutional rights of American citizens.

I have known special agents from other agencies — FBI, the U.S. Marshal’s Service and DEA to name a few — and all of them react the same way whenever the ATF comes up in conversation: “Yeah, well I’m not sure what’s up with those guys.”

Those guys’ leadership is and always has been a sick joke. ATF directors, who are presidential appointees, care more about keeping the White House happy than they do the Constitution, the safety of their agents or the lives of American citizens.

Joe Biden’s nominee for ATF director, presidential lapdog wannabe David Chipman, will only make things worse if he’s confirmed by the Senate. Chipman – a modern-day Chekist if there ever was one, cut from the same bolt of cloth as “Iron Felix” Dzerzhinsky himself – will transform the ATF into the NKVD for the 21st Century, complete with show trials, midnight renditions and a total disregard for human rights, as long as he gets regular belly rubs from whoever is actually running things behind the Katy-barred doors of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

David Chipman

This toxic little imp of a man has already put the Senate and the entire world on notice that he wants to rip America’s most popular rifle from American hands, and given his history at Waco, if the hands are cold and dead it won’t bother him.

How did we get to where we’re at now? How did we reach a point in time where only a couple of Senators stand between us and a fully politicized and weaponized ATF, which is making ready to unleash hell upon American gun owners?

For that, friends, you have to look at the agency’s history. Once you do, I’m sure you’ll agree that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives should have been abolished decades ago.

A history of failure: Ruby Ridge

Regardless of what you think of Randy Weaver’s politics and personal beliefs, and quite frankly I don’t think much of them, the man was living in a cabin with his family in the middle of the Idaho wilderness near the Canadian border with no electricity or running water, and was not a threat to anyone.

Unfortunately, some of the folks living off the grid nearby were members of the Aryan Nations. Weaver and his wife Vicki attended several of their events, but when interviewed by the FBI in 1985, told the agents they were not members and merely attended for “social reasons” – anything to get out of their one-room cabin for an evening, I guess.

Regardless, the ATF saw Weaver as a potential confidential informant who could infiltrate a terrorist group, so they targeted the Special Forces combat veteran in the hopes he would flip and become a confidential informant once they had criminal charges to dangle over his head.

The ATF sent their longtime informant Kenneth Faderley to Weaver’s home. Faderley claimed he bought two sawed-off shotguns from Weaver, although Weaver claimed the barrels were cut after Faderley purchased the guns, at Faderley’s request, which the courts view as entrapment.

When the ATF confronted Weaver, he refused to flip, so they filed criminal charges relating to the sale of the short-barreled shotguns. Weaver did not receive adequate notice of his court date, which he subsequently missed, so a federal arrest warrant was issued, the case was handed off to the U.S. Marshal’s and you know the rest.

Weaver’s wife Vicki and son Sammy were killed, along with Deputy U.S. Marshal William Degan. Weaver was charged with 10 federal felonies, including first-degree murder for the death of Degan, but he was acquitted of all charges except for the original bail violation. Weaver was fined $10,000 and served 16 months in prison. He sued the federal government upon his release and later agreed to a settlement of $3.1 million.

ATF’s current website includes no mention of Ruby Ridge, Randy Weaver, Lon Horiuchi – the FBI sniper who shot and killed Vicki Weaver – or Deputy U.S. Marshal Degan, who was just doing his job trying to bail out the ATF. The siege and killings at Ruby Ridge jumpstarted the constitutional militia movement, so I understand why ATF now wants to downplay its role in the fiasco.

Domestic terrorist Timothy McVeigh cited Ruby Ridge as one of the main reasons he bombed Oklahoma City’s Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in 1995 – which killed 168 people including 19 children – as have other murderous lunatics who followed in his wake.

A history of failure: Waco

Unlike Ruby Ridge, the ATF does acknowledge Waco on its website.

According to the agency’s “Remembering Waco” page:

ATF’s investigation centered on Koresh and the Davidians being involved in the illegal manufacture and possession of machineguns and the illegal manufacture and possession of destructive devices, including bombs and grenades. ATF’s investigation showed that the group acquired:

    • 136 firearms, including assault rifles and handguns
    • 700+ magazines for those firearms
    • 200,000+ rounds of ammunition
    • 110 upper and lower receivers for AR15/M16 rifles
    • Grenade-launcher attachments for AR15/M16 rifles
    • 400+ empty M31 rifle grenades, along with black powder and other explosive chemicals

The ATF points out that the inert rifle grenades “could be converted to live grenades.” It’s not known if any actually were, since all of the evidence was burnt to a crisp. However, none were ever fired in anger.

In this April 19, 1993 file photo, flames engulf the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas. Doomsday cult leader David Koresh’s apocalyptic vision came true when the fire believed set by his followers destroyed their prairie compound as federal agents tried to drive them out with tear gas after a 51-day standoff. As many as 86 members of the Branch Davidian religious sect, including Koresh and 24 children, were thought to have died as the flames raced through the wooden buildings in 30 minutes. Only nine were known to have survived. (AP Photo/Susan Weems, File)

During the highly flawed initial assault, the ATF had to beg for a ceasefire so they could recover the bodies of their dead and wounded agents, during which Branch Davidian leader David Koresh released 24 members. Imagine that – a ceasefire – on American soil.

The ATF accepts no responsibility for what happened next during the final assault.

“A 51-day stand-off ended when the Davidian Compound erupted in fire(s) set by cult members, as law enforcement attempted to force them out by introducing tear gas into the building on April 19. The fire destroyed the compound and more than 70 residents were killed, many from gunshot wounds apparently inflicted by fellow cult members,” the ATF website states.

This is pure revisionist history – a new low for a federal agency – especially a law enforcement agency.

The incident at Waco claimed the lives of four ATF agents and more than 70 Branch Davidians. Since it happened on the heels of Ruby Ridge, officials finally began asking questions about ATF’s conduct and policies.

A subsequent investigation by the Departments of Treasury and Justice regarding the actions of law enforcement agents during the siege determined that some tactics and decisions were poorly executed; and certain actions by ATF were criticized,” ATF’s website states. “However, the September 1993 U.S. Department of Treasury Administrative Review concluded: “…the agency is made up of dedicated, committed and experienced professionals, who have regularly demonstrated sound judgment and remarkable courage in enforcing the law. ATF has a history of success in conducting complex investigations and executing dangerous and challenging law enforcement missions. That fine tradition, together with the line agents’ commitment to the truth and their courage and determination has enabled ATF to provide our country with a safer and more secure nation under law.

This, friends, is classic misdirection. On one hand, ATF admits it screwed up – big time – but on the other hand the ATF is saying look at the bravery of our agents.

To be clear, I am not now, nor would I ever, question the bravery of the agents who had boots on the ground. I question the idiots in charge, who were so desperate for good headlines – especially after Ruby Ridge – that they lost all semblance of reason and pushed the Davidians until there was a bloodbath, which everyone including the President could see coming.

Weaver and Koresh had one thing in common. They both left their compounds regularly, usually unaccompanied – fair game for a traffic stop by local sheriff’s deputies, which wouldn’t have raised any red flags. If ATF wanted the men arrested so badly, all they had to do was ask the local sheriffs for assistance. The Marshal’s SOG team, FBI’s HRT and hundreds of other lawmen could have all stayed home, and scores of lives would have been saved.

Unfortunately, the morons who were running this lethal circus didn’t think like that. They were more concerned about how they looked on the nightly news than they were the lives of the Branch Davidians or even their own agents. They cared more about headlines than human lives.

They still do.

A history of failure: Fast and Furious

There are (real) law enforcement agencies that won’t let drugs “walk” during a reverse-sting operation. Their rationale is that they don’t want drugs posing a threat to the public. I happen to agree with this philosophy. Law enforcement should never put something dangerous into the hands of criminals and then let it walk out the door.

However, from 2006-2011, the ATF let guns walk – a lot of guns – 2,000 guns, of which only 700 were ever recovered.

The goal of what became known as “Operation Fast and Furious” was to target Mexican drug cartels.

Working with FFLs who couldn’t refuse to cooperate, the ATF allowed illegal straw purchasers in Tucson and Phoenix to buy weapons and then ship them back across the border in the hopes they would lead ATF to the cartel’s shot-callers. To date, none of these high-level cartel leaders has been arrested.

Instead, the guns were used by hardcore criminals on both sides of the border.

The whole affair would be almost laughable, were it not for the December 2010 murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, who was killed by one of the firearms the ATF allowed to walk. In addition to Terry, more than 150 Mexican civilians were murdered by ATF’s guns. This is a national disgrace.

In a perfect world, everyone with knowledge of this operation should have seen the inside of a federal prison, much less been relieved of command, but once it became public and Congress got involved, the Obama/Biden Administration invoked executive privilege, at the behest of then-Attorney General Eric Holder, which tied up the proceedings until the Democrats took back control of the House and the entire matter was dropped. A heroic Border Patrol agent and 150 civilians have never received any justice.

For me, the most stunning part of this entire deadly debacle is the complete disregard ATF had for the potential victims of the weapons they let walk across the border – a complete lack of concern for the sanctity of human life.

After all, they weren’t providing guns to responsible gun owners. They were arming drug cartels. That no one in the agency’s upper echelons even considered or cared that the weapons they gave to the cartels might be used in crimes is simply stunning – revolting, actually.

No one with any street sense – I mean real cops – would have allowed these guns to cross the border. I have no doubt that the victims’ race and nationality played a role in the ATF’s decision making, too. That’s the real tragedy. That alone is reason enough to disband the entire organization.

Agent Terry’s murder led to the creation of the Brian Terry Foundation, which honors his legacy by raising money “for the families of fallen U.S. Border Patrol agents and provides educational scholarships for students pursuing a career in law-enforcement.” I would ask that you please consider them as part of your charitable giving.

Antiquated duties

Nowadays, I’m worried about the increasing threat posed by the Chinese and Russian militaries. I’m concerned about cyber-attacks on our infrastructure, a loss of my constitutional rights during the next COVID shutdown, and an economy that’s starting to look a lot like Jimmy Carter’s.

If a couple of country gentlemen want to cook up a batch of corn squeezins, or some entrepreneur in New York City offers untaxed cigarettes for less than $20 a pack, I don’t care. I prefer whiskey that’s been aged for more than a few hours, and I don’t ever plan to go to New York City again.

Still, even though most of us are completely unconcerned about untaxed liquor or contraband tobacco, they stupidly remain a big part of ATF’s regulatory responsibilities. Alcohol and tobacco enforcement, like most of ATF’s duties, could be handled more easily by the states, or simply ignored. After all, today there are far more pressing concerns.

The same can be said for ATF’s firearms regulatory duties – especially its enforcement of the National Firearms Act. The NFA was enacted in 1934 in response to the St. Valentine’s Day Massacre of 1929. It’s about as relevant today as prohibition, bathtub gin and flappers.

In my opinion, the NFA and the agency that enforces it should both be scrapped. Just take a look at what’s regulated by the NFA: Machine guns, short-barreled rifles and shotguns, suppressors, destructive devices and “any other weapons.” Most of them pose little risk to the public, and those that do are fiercely regulated by other federal laws.

I own two sound suppressors. One is on my lawn mower; the other is on my truck. If I want one for a firearm, it should be as easy to obtain as a replacement for my Toro’s. As to the short-barreled firearms, can anyone show me how a rifle with a barrel less than 16-inches or a shotgun with a barrel less than 18-inches is somehow more dangerous to the public than weapons with longer barrels? And machine guns are the real red herring on the NFA list.

There are about 180,000 machine guns legally available for civilian ownership, and you don’t need all the fingers on one hand to count the number that have ever been used to commit a crime. Why, you ask? Because machine guns are incredibly expensive. Prices start at around $10,000, so anyone who can afford one can afford a quality gun safe.

As for the destructive devices ATF regulates through NFA – hand grenades, bombs, explosive missiles and poison gas weapons – there are more than enough federal laws and federal agencies to regulate their misuse.

The NFA’s “AOW” category regulates disguised weapons, such as pen guns, cane guns, umbrella guns and smooth-bore revolvers. I will agree that these weapons need federal regulation the moment someone can show me that they’ve ever been used in a crime where the suspect didn’t escape on horseback.

The main reason NFA should be scrapped, along with the ATF, is that the Act and the agency that enforces it have become weaponized by the Biden/Harris administration.

The President and his elfish nominee now want our ARs and anything with a pistol brace to fall under NFA regulation. That, friends, cannot be allowed to happen. That is the real threat to our liberties, our gun culture, and our way of life.

The real threat

There’s a word used to describe any new law that instantly turns millions of Americans into federal felons – tyranny – and that is exactly what Chipman wants to do.

If he’s confirmed, all of our ARs and pistol braces will end up regulated by the NFA. The little tyrant and Biden have already promised as much.

Sure, it’s easy to say you won’t comply, but keep in mind a violation of NFA can result in 10 years imprisonment, massive fines and loss of your civil rights. I’d prefer that gun owners never have to make this heady decision. The easiest way to accomplish this is to stop Chipman’s nomination cold, and then get rid of the ATF.

Last week, Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene announced she will soon file a bill that would abolish the ATF. The Georgia Republican said the legislation would be titled “The Brian A. Terry Memorial Eliminate the ATF Act.” While I strongly support any effort to abolish the country’s most bloodthirsty federal agency, I doubt the bill will gain much traction in Nancy’s House.

Pelosi is an old-school gun grabber, who I’m reasonably certain wrote the original draft of the NFA. At the very least, Rep. Greene’s bill will start a national conversation about the need to get rid of the ATF, and it will also serve as a reminder that we need to fight for our rights and our rifles right now.

Contact your Senators immediately. Call each of their field offices too and tell them you oppose Chipman’s nomination. While you’ve got their staffers on the phone, tell them you want the ATF abolished. If they ask why, tell them ATF has reached its maximum allowable body count. Tell them it’s time to get rid of the ATF before they do any more harm, and more innocent people lose their lives.


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      • The best solution would be to de-Federalize it all and leave it to the States since the 2nd Amendment does state “shall not infringe”. But of course that would then remove a small amount of power from a centralized government so of course we can’t do that…

      • While other agencies would like to take the ATFs duties, no one wants their agents.

        Only the TSA are held in lower regard.

    • Yeah since nothing ever gets eliminated at the federal level it seems like the best that can be achieved is to somehow starve the agency to the point that it can barely keep the lights on and not afford any of the agents to go into the field or do their “job”.

    • regulatory back to treasury, alcohol & tobacco to DEA, fire, arson & explosive people…[one of the few things they do well] redistributed as special units in other agencies…and guns?…well any agency can enforce the existing gun laws, and many often do…lets face it, we don’t need this bunch of fund-seeking fuck-ups….just a waste of money, and a REAL threat to public safety…just sayin’….

    • Abolishing the ATF just moves bad apples to another basket. Abolish the laws the ATF is charged with enforcing, that fixes the problem.

  1. Let not forget that after Operation Fast and Furious was discovered the Obama administration tried to blame those gun sales on Mom & Pop gun stores, when all along they knew it was the ATF who was responsible!

  2. The bill is wishful thinking and has teeth but unfortunately does not have teeth in this current political climate. What has teeth is the diabolical history of Gun Control which like slavery, etc. should be waaaaay more than enough to abolish Gun Control. And while the getting is good hold the democRat Party liable for Monetary Reparations.

    It makes me want to vomit hearing guilty as sin democRats call for Reparations all while worthless no counts like mitch mcconnell sit silent and never, ever seize the opportunity to designate who the guilty party is and which political party is liable for race based atrocities in US history.

    The plantation, slave shacks, nooses and Jim Crow Gun Control remains alive and well as long as Republican voices in congress are silent. Hopefully Dan Bongino and the Joe Pags of America will keep talking about the history of the democRat Party until something is done to hold the democRat Party liable for its past just like the holier than thou odorous sue happy hypocrite democRat Party holds companies and everyone else liable for everything in their past.

    • they have a history of starting things other agencies have to finish..sort of like your mouthy little brother…

    • “Lon Horiuchi – the FBI sniper who shot and killed Vicki Weaver” actually he was the FBI sniper who murdered Vicki Weaver and was protected from the justice by the feds.

      I would rather see ATF keep the firearms stuff and their badges and arrest powers taken away. They need to have call real police to have someone arrested. The FBI is not much beter, do the names Strzok, Page, McCabe, and Comey ring a bell?

  3. ” question the bravery of the agents who had boots on the ground”

    BS the ATI is not a military branch and or have the responsibility of conducting military operations. Their “agents” are a bunch of civilians not actually even cops/police. Thought they like to play at such. While soldiers, in the heat of a moment, might take orders in combat that might be of questionable morality there is no such moral shield for a phoney cop.

    Was the Army every called account for supplying the ATF and FBI thugs with the armored vehicles. Improperly if not illegally.

    I don’t recall seeing before the list of equipment sized at Waco. Koresh was rather short on magazines given the claimed qty of weapons.

    • they did a lot of things wrong at Waco…and lied about most of it…whole thing never should have happened…but they couldn’t resist the opportunity for that tv photo op…funny how this group always tries to do something to make themselves look good and winds up looking twice as bad….

    • Was the Army every called account for supplying the ATF and FBI thugs with the armored vehicles. Improperly if not illegally.

      To the best of my knowledge, all military assets and assistance came from the Texas National Guard. Equipment was sourced from nearby Fort Hood, but I have not seen any evidence of Active Duty personnel being directly involved in the Waco fiasco.

  4. “will transform the ATF into the NKVD for the 21st Century, complete with show trials, midnight renditions”

    Renditions? Do you really believe this?

    This is the definition of rendition:

    “the practice of sending a foreign criminal or terrorist suspect covertly to be interrogated in a country with less rigorous regulations for the humane treatment of prisoners.“

    This is no better than the stupid, sometimes inflammatory, completely untrue bullshit spouted by the gun grabbing left.

    If your goal is to persuade people in the middle, this will not work. Trying to persuade people on the far left or far right is a waste of time.

    • You get your definition from the demtard party’s dictionary of “words for morons”?

      Try Websters – “the surrender by a state of a fugitive to another state charging the fugitive with a crime : interstate extradition”.

    • There could be some conflation with “Extraordinary Rendition”. Cato appears to have cherry picked a single definition that works for their narrative.

      • I appear to have picked the definition that goes with NKVD and show trials.

        I don’t think the author intended to say that if I were arrested for a gun offense here in Omaha NE I would be sent to Iowa for trial when I committed no offense in Iowa. Read the definition given by neiowa, I would have had to commit the crime in another state to be rendered (if that’s a word). That is assclown stupid.

        • “I appear to have picked the definition that goes with NKVD and show trials.”

          No surprise there, a fascist like yourself goes with the familiar.

          “That is assclown stupid.”

          Dammit, you ruined a perfectly good vintage irony meter. Wrapped the needle 4 times around the stop peg… 🙁

        • Fascist? Being able to use a dictionary doesn’t make me a fascist. It does make me more educated than you though.

          There isn’t anything ironic about knowing the correct definition of big words. You should try it.

        • Ouch. I do like cupcakes though.

          Care to expand on that witty comment. You can do better than that honey.

          Get Geoff from Reading Rainbow to help with the big words.

        • Still not correct. You forgot the comma between ‘question’ and ‘asshole’.
          You are a NO-GO at this station.
          Thanks for playing.

  5. Look out Possum! The revenuers are gon gotcha!
    Didn’t these guys get their start by increasing Al Capone and Joe Kennedy’s profits?

    • Exactly. Same with unions…. Can we abolish those too? They never found their union daddy, organized crime in the form of government agencies and workplace representatives.

    • Nope, every morning I’d yell, ” I know your out there revenuer’s, you might as well come on up for some coffee. ” They never did catch on.

    It shows the lack of discipline at Ruby Ridge and Waco by the Feds and also goofs by the Texas Rangers. It points out the irony of killing Korresh’s followers to “protect the children” therein.

    • Waco was a botched publicity stunt. Koresh regularly left the compound, and he could have easily been detained and arrested. Instead, he gets advanced notice because news crews were asking around town for directions to the compound.

    • To protect the children from the cult, they killed everyone in it — including the children. Remember everybody, if it saves just one life…

  7. It’s been SOP as long as I’ve been alive at least for these agencies to manufacture their own business. The DEA traffics drugs, the FBI instigates terrorism and serves up kiddy porn, the ATF creates violations out of thin air, the CIA topples and builds nations seemingly at will.

    The entire world would be a much safer, saner place if every one of these agencies was dissolved.

  8. I like the author pointing out that he owns two suppressors. One on the lawn mower and the other on the truck. We should point out state laws like in Illinois, they require suppressors on vehicles but if you have one on a firearm it’s 3-7 years in prison. Tell me that makes any sense!

  9. ATF is and always was the weaponized arm of the democrat gun grabbers! They can call themselves anything they want, we know the goal.

    • still picture that snarky schumer waving around that Tec-9 and saying “THIS is why we have the ATF”….

    • Dennis…… Not sure if ATF stands for, After Their Firearms or After The Fact. When Randy Weaver won his lawsuit, the presiding judge recommended murder warrants for the snipers ( murderers ). Result ……………………

  10. ATF should be abolished together with FBI which resembles more and more Domestic Terrors Organization.

  11. A note on Waco. Maybe you are too young to remember, and the images have been very effectively removed from the internet; however, the Waco fire was started, when a US military tank, stuck it’s main gun barrel through the side of the building. When the tank backed out, the barrel was dripping fire. Draw your own conclusions as to WHY a tank sticks its main gun barrel through the side of a wooded structure, and WHY when it backs out, there is fire dripping from the barrel, but I believe that the US military tank crew, guided by the US BATF, guided by the DO,J under Janet Reno, started the fire that killed so many.

    • So, it was a fire shooting tank, used my the military to murder people? Jesus Christ that’s brilliant.

      Maybe someone inside through something flammable at the tank……

    • I watched it live on TV that morning, I remember it like it was yesterday. I always suspected a flash bang set the fire because if I recall the building was already smoking profusely before the tank mowed the wall down. But when the tank busted through, it brought in a lot of air and the whole thing went up in flames. There was no evidence ever presented that the fire was set by any in the cult, just CYA hearsay by the ATF

  12. 136 firearms, over 700 magazines, and over 200,000 rounds….

    How much of this was illegal?

    • None. None of those things are illegal. Their method of obtaining them might have been, but that’s all grey area bullshit these tyrants thrive on.

  13. ATF should be abolished and all those agents and resources can be sent to the border to help with the mess they created down there. Do the same with the DEA.

    • Yeah, that’s a good idea…if they really wanted to stop the invasion. But they don’t. They just want to disarm us. Everybody finally realizes it the hard way. But the ATF is really just a primary psychological way to disarm the people by instilling fear to buy guns. And that’s the real reason it should be abolished. It actually has no real necessary function except to raid and terrify people who buy non-gun parts kits like this recent cognitively challenged poor kid whose place they tore the shit out of and all they got was an 80% receiver, a home made zip gun, and a 10-22 they’re trying to say was somehow converted.

      Municipalities already have the bureaucracy to check alcohol and tobacco licenses and Most Sherrif Departments and big city Departments have bomb & Arson squads so all that’s left is to check gun dealers’ books every year or so? That can be picked up by a civilian municipality as well. And when we all finally get our shit together to ‘order’ our politicians and elected officials to stop enforcing illegal anti- 2/A laws, the FBI doesn’t even have to take over their jobs either?

      They’re just a useless money wasting government terror agency. I don’t know why any real cop would want to be one outside of it being good pay and benefits for a relatively easy job. Especially now with all the push-back on raids being done for parts and accessories that aren’t even meeting the requirements of the definition of a firearm. I’d seriously think twice about raiding people who bought parts or drawings of auto sears who weren’t doing any other criminal offenses.

      I wouldn’t want to be one. If they keep this shit up, it’s only a matter of time before they pull a raid on someone they really should have never ever in their wildest Gestapo wet dreams–fucked with. Someone who really really will hurt them very badly. Someone like one of those PTSD out Afhganistan combat Vets who has dogs and defensive security and needs privacy to maintain himself but minds his own business and doesn’t get violent or break any laws and keeps his life under control except when the agenda based laws from this Disarmament agenda based regime contrives to facilitate confiscations…and makes their agents attack people?

      And they make him snap by shooting his dogs and attacking with gas and flashbangs and he goes out like a JAP. Yeah, they’ll surely execute him, but not before he might make them wish they would have never done the raid and regret it for the rest of their lives like the Randy Weaver Ruby Ridge Debacle or the Waco horror..

      And for what did they risk destroying agents and other human and animal lives? A fucking stupid ‘buy build and shoot kit frivolously deemed to be an unregistered firearm by Fiat mandate?

      I’ve got a friend who is an agent and we’ve discussed this at length and she said that most agents she knows don’t like most of this. But since they have to obey orders as part of their job and the current political climate insists that they do just that, she has no say in the matter if she wants to keep her job. She also intimated that she hopes the pro-gun lobby somehow manages to shut this ghost gun and other target-focused efforts down in courts before something bad happens.

      • they don’t have to obey orders, that’s cowardice, they can disobey and if they get fired, so be it, it’s called courage and taking a risk. It’s not like they’re going to starve if they lose their job.

  14. ” Keeping the White House happy more then they do about the constitution. ” ? ?
    But, but, I thought,,,,,,,oh never mind.

  15. My only concern in disbanding the ATF is that the FBI could be worse! On the other hand, the FBI and or other agencies that would take over ATF jobs might get the hint that Americans don’t like being tyrannized and they might get disbanded as well.

    • It doesn’t matter what Americans like. Americans need to learn to like what the Government For The People want and support that .
      After all they no more then we do on what we like, want or need.

      I noticed theBiden looked a little wore out after his trip back from G2.

      • … they fact that they can’t pass it on a legislative level… because it isn’t the will of the people…so they have unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats just make laws up to achieve the ends the can’t reach on a legislative level ..all that is irrelevant? “It doesn’t matter what Americans like or want they need to learn blah blAh government of the people.” Did you think about how stupid that sounded before you said it? It doesn’t matter what Americans want…..because america is a government of the people….follow me here ….but those people….are the Americans. What a pile of bs circular logic. “america is a government of the people….therefore the peoples wants are irrelevant….how exactly did you dig that out of your ass?

      • After rereading your post I feel you were being sarcastic. Which is hard to pick up without tone sometimes. But I’m too lazy to erase my rant …so. 🙂

  16. Get rid of the ATF and give the funding to the Civilian Marksmanship Program. Give the enforcement of explosives to Homeland Security, alcohol to the FDA, tobacco to the Dept. of Agriculture. It’s really that simple.

    • or just get rid of all of those laws and don’t pass their enforcement off to anyone.

  17. Getting rid of the ATF would require first repealing the unconstitutional, unnecessary, archaic and onerous laws they are tasked with enforcing, then disband the agency. It’s asking a lot for a government to do all of that, but the ATF needs to go before they blow up another neighborhood and infringe on our rights.

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