Feds Ban Bump Stocks, Gun Owners Refuse to Comply

bump stock ban noncompliance

Courtesy Jeff Hulbert

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearm, at the direction of President Trump, waived its regulatory magic wand and designated bump fire stocks as machine guns. That rendered hundreds of thousands of legally purchased firearm accessories illegal. The response: America’s gun owners seem to have raised a collective middle finger toward Washington.

The nationwide ban officially went into effect March 26. Since then, local law enforcement agencies are not seeing gun owners surrender their bump stock weapon attachments, even though it’s now a felony to own one. Officials from the Toledo Police Department and the Lucas and Wood county sheriff’s offices told The Blade they’re not aware of any bump stocks turned in to their offices.

And whether anyone in Michigan or Ohio has turned in a bump stock to federal law enforcement is unclear. The U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in Ohio and Michigan are not recording numbers.

– Jay Skebba in Bump stocks illegal now, but few, if any, local owners have turned theirs in

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  1. avatar No one of consequence says:

    …because there are no numbers to record?

    1. avatar Freebird says:

      A.T.F. is an ongoing criminal fraud.

      ” Secretary Humphrey with NO AUTHORITY, creates an AGENCY of the Department of the Treasury called “Internal Revenue Service”, out of AIR, from AN OFFSHORE PURE TRUST, called “Bureau of Internal Revenue”. The “SETTLER” and “BENEFICIARIES” of the trust are UNKNOWN. The “TRUSTEE” is the “SECRETARY of THE TREASURY”. Acting Secretary Walker further LAUNDERS the trust by CREATING from the alleged “Internal Revenue Service”, the “BUREAU OF ALCOHOL TOBACCO AND FIREARMS”.

      ” The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, has no venue or jurisdiction within the borders of any of the 50 States of the united States of America, except in pursuit of an importer of contraband alcohol, tobacco, or firearms, who failed to pay the TAX on those items. As proof, refer to the July 30, 1993 ruling of the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit, 1 F.3d 1511; 1993 U.S. App. Lexis 19747, where the court ruled in United States v. D.J. Vollmer & Co. that “the B.A.T.F. has jurisdiction over the first sale of a firearm imported to the country, but they don’t have jurisdiction over subsequent sales.”

      1. avatar barnbwt says:

        So is Santa Claus, yet he’s around. Complain to your congressman.

      2. avatar Lawman says:

        I am sure you would have made an incredible jailhouse lawyer. A little fact mixed with a little conspiracy theory. If you end up in jail in spite of your legal diatribe you will be convicted and you will go to jail. At least you will have the comfort knowing your were wrongly convicted and a political prisoner.

  2. avatar Jay in Florida says:

    Did anyone expect anything differently. I wont/wouldnt give up a thing.

    1. avatar GridSquare says:

      They want them so bad they can come get them bullets first. Them and their red flag laws. Fuck em.

  3. avatar Dennis Sumner says:

    Did anyone actually expect anything different? What part of ” shall not be infringed” or ” we will not comply” is that hard to understand? Lova ya Donald, but in this case you were dead wrong.

  4. avatar Michael says:

    Good tactical advise from a bad tactical situation; “anything you do… including nothing, can get you killed.” “It’s quiet”, “yeah, too quiet…” -30-

  5. avatar Cooter E Lee says:

    Asking legal advice for a friend.

    Does someone possess an item if they do not physically possess the item on or around their property or person but they have knowledge of where said item is? I wouldn’t think so but my friend has an item he’d like to cache on publically owned property.

    1. avatar barnbwt says:

      It’s considered possession if you merely have contraband on your property (“grandpa’s machinegun in the attic”) but the ATF generally opts to forgo prosecution in lieu of forfeiture (“Always Think Forfeiture”) in such cases where no criminal intent to violate the law exists.

      If you have knowledge of the remote location and unfettered access to it, it is definitely still possession. And because you intentionally placed the item elsewhere so as to conceal it from authorities’ search of your home/etc, they’d no doubt nail you to the wall if they ever found out.

      1. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

        “If you have knowledge of the remote location and unfettered access to it, it is definitely still possession. And because you intentionally placed the item elsewhere so as to conceal it from authorities’ search of your home/etc, they’d no doubt nail you to the wall if they ever found out.”

        *IF* they could tie it to you. So, keep your mouth shut to *everyone*.

        If you bought a bumpstock for cash, had told no one, and buried it some distance away (just across your property line won’t likely cut it) then they would have a problem tying it to you. But you better hope you didn’t open up your big mouth to *anyone* about it…

        1. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

          Is “plausible deniability” the legal term I’m thinking of?

        2. avatar barnbwt says:

          But why, though? It’s the same ‘squeeze’ for actual full-auto ‘juice’ so why bother with a bump-stock?

          The whole point of bump-stocks was to comply with the law…which is both why it was nonsense to declare them dangerous contraband, and why they truly have no purpose outside of the law.

        3. avatar enuf says:

          Geoff “I’m getting too old for this shit” PR says:
          “Is “plausible deniability” the legal term I’m thinking of?”

          I always thought of that as a political tactic, not a legal one useful in a courtroom.

          It’s right up there with the “non-denial denial”.

        4. avatar barnbwt says:

          @enuf
          Plausible Deniability is a criminal thing, that’s morphed into a political thing, since so many politicians are criminal. It’s why your stereotypical mob boss would wish for someone to “have an accident” vs. explicitly ordering a hit, just in case the conversation was being recorded.

          With a plausible denial, comes reasonable doubt; instant dropped charges or acquittal.

  6. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

    Even if you were going to comply, why would you turn it in to the police? Toss it in a dumpster and your done.

    1. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

      Damn straight. Let the ‘dumpster-diver’ take the potential heat for it.

      “Look what I found! A perfectly good bump-stock!”

    2. avatar HP says:

      If a person were inclined to turn one in, this would probably be the safest legal route, I’d think. This, or melting it down in a fire. Remember, if you turn the bump stock into police, you are walking into a police station already committing a Federal felony just by possessing it. The time to turn the bump stock in would have been before the ban went into effect. Walk into the wrong police station, say in a liberal area, and you’ll be able to turn in your bump stock and maybe even get a mug shot out of it. Imagine walking into a police station with a pound of cocaine and stating “This is mine, I’ve had some of it already, and I’d like to turn it in.” This might seem like a silly comparison, but a felony is a felony. Would the police thank you for turning in the cocaine and let you walk out the door? I doubt it. Basically what I’m saying is, you’re at the mercy and whim of the police if you walk into a police station with a bump stock at this point. And didn’t something like this happen to a guy in California who tried to comply with a registration law?

      1. avatar Dennis Sumner says:

        Anyone ever think we’d be debating ways to get around a ban on something the ATF gave their blessing on?

        1. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

          This is only the beginning for future Un Constitutional banning of you name the item or accessory up to and including arms and this will be president set as the method of violating the peoples Constitutional rights.

        2. avatar barnbwt says:

          Yes. It’s only about the hundredth time we’ve been through this on some obscure issue. Hell, just a few years back the ATF forced a bunch of people who’d paid for STEN Mk V kits to send them back to the seller for additional torch-cutting that left nearly nothing left…no refunds either. Before that you had the PPSH kits with the same. And of course the half-dozen changes to the lawful semi-auto conversion of HK roller-lock guns that make them a legal minefield (yet still do practically nothing to prevent them being assembled as full-auto machine guns)

        3. avatar Anymouse says:

          What are the details of the case? ATF has long standing requirements for destruction of s machine gun. Did the original cuts meet this standard or have explicit ATF approval? If not, the ATF was pretty nice about letting people rectify an error instead of doing seizures and criminal charges. If ATF changed the rules afterwards, there should have been lawsuits.

        4. avatar Steven King says:

          Yeah, there should be no need for debate. If you disagree with the ATF keep your stuff and keep quiet about it. There is no way anyone could know that you have a bump stock or anything else that any govt agency has placed a “ban” on unless you go around telling everyone you have it. Ban the AR today and tomorrow I will deny ever having owned one from that point on no one outside my home will know anything unless I need to use them and then I won’t care who knows because that situation will mean either the govt has gone full on dictatorship or it has fallen and the anarchists are in charge..

          Geoff “I’m getting too old for this shit” PR says:
          “Is “plausible deniability” the legal term I’m thinking of?” Plausible deniability.. You should/could know about something but without corroborating evidence and or witness (s) it is reasonable to assume that your denial of such knowledge is valid…

        5. avatar LarryinTX says:

          Always. If you assume that a faceless, nameless, unelected bureaucrat has the power to create felony laws at will, out of whole cloth, which could imprison or kill tens of thousands of inoffensive people, then you are forced to assume the same bureaucrat can change that law at will, without so much as an explanation, never mind a justification.

      2. avatar GS650G says:

        If youre really going to surrender a bump stock leave it on the doorstep of the police station in a bassinet with a note that says ” please take care of me and give me a good home “

  7. avatar Marcus says:

    I’m surprise no criminals have tried to used any of these now free bumpstocks for nefarious uses? Not exactly a run and gun option but it might be great for drive bys with someone else driving.

  8. avatar Craig in IA says:

    Non-compliance needs to be another first step for all the people who want to keep and use their toy. The quickest route to a court battle would be a case where someone possessing one is arrested and charged. “Take one for the team”…

    Anyone ever just think about drilling a hole in it and pinning the stock in place like the “flash hiders” on threaded bbls were during the ’90s semiauto ban? I suppose most pins would not be permanent fix but someone with machine shop knowledge might figure out a cheap kit. If the stock will not operate it should no longer qualify. The question would be “how easy would it be to revert back to original specs? I also don’t see why some brilliant mind hasn’t come up with a “recoil pad”fitting the standard butt plate template that would accomplish the same thing. (Slip-on would be even better.) Money maker for someone.

    1. avatar Mike V says:

      I think once a machine gun always a machine gun. Would have to be destroyed properly first then rebuilt with that functionality being eliminated before any other reconstruction work is done.

      1. avatar John in Ohio says:

        “I think once a machine gun always a machine gun.”

        I have no idea what the current rulings are but…

        https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F3/102/591/637711/

        “F.j. Vollmer Company, Inc., Appellant, v. John W. Magaw, Director, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco &firearms, U.S. Department of the Treasury, Appellee, 102 F.3d 591 (D.C. Cir. 1996)
        Annotate this Case
        U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit – 102 F.3d 591 (D.C. Cir. 1996)
        Argued Oct. 15, 1996. Decided Dec. 24, 1996”

        “This court agreed with the district court concerning the denial of the first application, but reversed the district court and overturned the Bureau’s denial of the second application for several reasons. F.J. Vollmer Co. v. Higgins, 23 F.3d 448 (D.C. Cir. 1994). First, the Bureau offered no reasoning supporting its once-a-machinegun-always-a-machinegun reading of the National Firearms Act. Id. at 451. Second, although the Bureau asserted in court that its rejection of the application rested on its determination that the twice reconfigured semiautomatic receiver was “potentially restorable” to being a machinegun receiver, the Bureau made no findings of fact to support that claim. Id. Third, the Bureau’s position conflicted with its own enforcement manual, which allowed exclusion of a weapon from Firearms Act coverage through removal of the feature that led to its classification as a firearm under the Act. Id. at 451-52. Finally, the Bureau’s reading of the Firearms Act led to the “incredible” conclusion that every semiautomatic receiver manufactured after May 19, 1986, must be considered readily restorable to being a machinegun receiver and thus a prohibited machinegun under the Gun Control Act. Id. at 452.”

    2. avatar John in Ohio says:

      “Anyone ever just think about drilling a hole in it and pinning the stock in place like the “flash hiders” on threaded bbls were during the ’90s semiauto ban? I suppose most pins would not be permanent fix but someone with machine shop knowledge might figure out a cheap kit. If the stock will not operate it should no longer qualify. ”

      In the linked article, BATF shows how the bump stock must be “disabled”.

    3. avatar LarryinTX says:

      The examples I have played with include that function already, functions as a semi-auto set like this, does something else set like that. Sorta like claiming an M-16 is not a machine gun since you have the selector in the “semi” position.

  9. avatar MB says:

    Never had interest in a bump stock. All gun laws are unconstitutional. That being said, owning a piece of plastic should never be banned, or made criminal. Crime is already illegal, murder, assault, robbery,etc. Punishing someone of owning an inanimate object is draconian enforcement, plain and simple. Punishing them for using that inanimate object in a criminal manner is acceptable and required in a civilized society.

    1. avatar Miner49er says:

      “Punishing someone of owning an inanimate object is draconian enforcement, plain and simple.”

      Great, so this bottle of Oxsee Contin should have no restrictions on ownership!

      And this set of burglars tools in my back pocket is A-OK as well.

      And I’m relieved these M26 frags are not going to cause any problems whatsoever, completely A-OK to possess.

      1. avatar Dennis Sumner says:

        So basically what you’re saying is government edict should be able to replace common sense, and we should just trust them to do the right thing?

      2. avatar MB says:

        @Miner49er, What do you consider “burglars tools ” a lock pick set , a crowbar, or that Leatherman Wave in your pocket?. Possessing any object, regardless of it’s potential good or evil should not be against the law. Here in Texas, machine guns with proper NFA paperwork are perfectly legal. Someone could kill just as many people with a Ford F250. Tanks are also legal here, there is a privately owned Sherman M4 in Houston, and a Cat D6 bulldozer is just as destructive…. It’s action not object that is dangerous… Evil people are dangerous.

        1. avatar jakee308 says:

          I had a cop try to claim a pocket screwdriver I had (and the only tool in my possession at the time) was a burglar tool.

          fortunately his partner didn’t want to dick around with the paperwork just for the PA to tell them to forget it. So I dodged that bullet. Why was I stopped? Walking late at night in a neighborhood not my own and a bored cop.

          I used to like to walk a night to think about stuff and work off excess tension. Sometimes I’d wind up in other neighborhoods. And I didn’t need no dinky screwdriver to burgle anybody if I’d wanted to.

        2. avatar drunkEODguy says:

          did the same thing when I was a kid after getting off at midnight from delivering pizzas. Luckily the town was fairly small and after a while all the night shift guys recognized me and my friend by sight and would leave us alone or just come by and make banter.

      3. avatar George from Alaska says:

        It’s only a burglar tool if you have one while breaking into a house or car. I’ve seen thieves prosecuted for “possession of burglar tools” but only when they were doing the crime. I’ve seen prybars, slimjims, professional locksmith kits, lock picks sets – both manual and automatic – , even a small Stanley Wonder Bar and a Leatherman tool get burglars a presumptive extra 5-7 years added to their sentence (same concept as using/possessing a firearm during the commission of a crime.
        If you have a bump-stock still you should shut up and stop telling everyone you won’t give it up…. and how many of you are really going to get into a gunfight with Federal Agents to keep your piece of plastic you blabbed about? You may be too stupid to begin with…

    2. avatar Steven King says:

      This thing goes back to the Vegas shooting and it is my understanding that no weapon with a bump stock was used during that event, at the distance he was shooting a bump stock would have been useless as they are in nearly any situation no more than a good way to blow through some ammo in a hurry till your gun jams or the barrel warps. Strictly a novelty to me I don’t own one but do not agree with a ban either Keep your stuff and keep it quiet.

      1. avatar MB says:

        @Steve. Lots of chatter on Las Vegas shooter. It’s the opinion of some that this was a F.B.I. sting gone wrong. How did the hard drive leave his laptop if he was only one? where did all the brass go? The LVPD already closed the book on this case, but so much does not make sense.

  10. avatar Steve Eisenberg says:

    I was going to turn mine in but I couldn’t find it. Darn, now where did that thing get off to?

    1. avatar Ed Schrade says:

      You lost it in that boating accident, remember ?

  11. avatar former water walker says:

    Well I saw a Bump Stock for sale last year at a LGS. 250bucks. My AR15 wasn’t a lot more than that…is ANYONE certain that deranged Las Vegas shooter even had a bumpstock?!?

    1. avatar Dennis Sumner says:

      Best kept secret in the country!

      1. avatar Geoff says:

        I analyzed the cell video of the Las Vegas shooting and the rate of fire was too slow for a bump stock which will be about 900 RPM if you’re good at it. The rate of fire in the video was only about 600 RPM with no interruption over a 10 second burst of fire. That is the low end of a M249 belt fed light machine gun with 100 round belts. 30 second pause to reload and then another 10 second burst. That’s why they won’t release the full report. The shooter was rich and could afford all types of firearms, possibly even an illegal machine gun. Like they’re not available? HA!

        1. avatar Dennis Sumner says:

          I repeat, the truth will only destroy the narrative, hence it’ll be another JFK mystery bullet deal.

        2. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

          The Truth !

        3. avatar guest says:

          You’ve never used a 249.

        4. avatar warfab says:

          You’re right the dude was rich, and he didn’t have the hotel room packed with cheap Bushmasters. The police inventory of the rifles was a fairly impressive list of high end (by my budgetary standards) and boutique manufacturers. Plus, a lot of the rifles had bipods. Does a bump stock work with a bipod?

        5. avatar Dennis Sumner says:

          Not really, but an educated finger does!

        6. avatar Cooter E Lee says:

          A bumpstock functions well with bipod and a recoil rail. Just don’t think you’re going to be shooting a laser beam of bullets at the target.

          Because the gun has to be loose enough to recoil in the “carriage”, the shots are going to be all over the place.

          It is still my belief we were fornunate in that the Vegas murderer did not aim his shots. With a lower rate of fire he might have even avoided detection for a longer period of time.

        7. avatar Steven King says:

          The “shooter” was a Spook… Too much information would have implicated the Feds who knew he was unstable but did nothing because he was connected..

    2. avatar Ed Schrade says:

      I think that if he used bump stocks, his bullets would have gone all over the county.

  12. avatar 24and7 says:

    Never turn anything in to the Government!! EACH individual is entitled to due process and just compensation, in this country, before an individual right is taken away.. and besides look at the complete and total ineptness our government is showing in enforcing immigration and border security.. makes you wonder just what the government can enforce on the masses..

  13. avatar dph says:

    The feds got what they wanted, a law that made people into criminals. I don’t believe they really cared about the stocks, it was just another way to control the population. I don’t know who said it, but “you cannot control innocent men, so everyone must be made into a criminal.”

    1. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

      It’s everything the government is enacting on “We The People” and the bottom line is CONTROL

    2. avatar HP says:

      ““Did you really think we want those laws observed?” said Dr. Ferris. “We want them to be broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against… We’re after power and we mean it… There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system, Mr. Reardon, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.””

      Ayn Rand, from “Atlas Shrugged”

      1. avatar Eli2016 says:

        “Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt.”

        An excellent reference to an oft forgotten literary piece. I may have to read the darn thing again. Thanks for the reminder.

      2. avatar Steven King says:

        The observation of the Century/millennium has been a truism throughout history, create a class of outlaws, make yourself look like the reasonable adult in the room and convince the population that you are only acting for the common good, works even in a country based on individual freedoms..

    3. avatar TheUnspoken says:

      They also got them off the market, caused the companies selling them to cease and desist, they have some leverage or instant charges if they do catch a bad guy or scary person with one, or if they want to grab a few gun collections from formerly lawful owners. The rest have gone into hiding where they won’t cause any trouble or ever get used again. Non compliance isn’t much freedom if you can’t take it to your public range and mag dump with it or let your friends or kids shoot it.

      The idea of the bump stock was to let you almost have a machine gun experience without spending 5 figures, while also showing how silly the ATF and gun laws are, much like the arm brace. It should have meant that the Hughes amendment and NFA were repealed when intelligent minds realized if lawful adults can own one thing and expensive other things freely, then aren’t these silly laws worthless and unconstitutional?

      Well, instead it revealed that all politicians support gun control, Republicans, Democrats, judges, yep all of them.

  14. avatar GS650G says:

    `If the history of registration in other states and of guns is any guide they are going to be very disappointed in the number of responses. Next thing to do is dig through sales and transaction records to try and identify purchasers.
    It remains to be seen how far they want to go with this. I suspect this will turn into a “if you see or find one then confiscate and charge the possessor” rule.

    1. avatar warfab says:

      If New Yorkistan is any indication, bump stock charges will mainly occur if someone actually commits a crime using one (unlikely), or if they’re found in a search of someone’s property being conducted due to another crime (likely). It will be a tag on charge that may or may not ever be truly prosecuted after the plea bargaining is done. For the average shooter this will be pointless. Odds are slim LEOs will ever show up to ranges to see if they’re being used.

      1. avatar AD says:

        Warrants are issued based on probable cause – describing the person or things to be seized. Any item not described in the warrant is likely “fruit of the poison tree.”

  15. avatar Jonndoe says:

    What did they expect, county and local law enforcement refusing to enforce illegal laws and now the American people refuse to comply.
    I’m going to leave the politicians who are violating the peoples rights and the laws of your state with two words

    “Re-call Election”

  16. avatar Geoff says:

    They only know that around 520,000 or so were sold, but they don’t know who has them, and the people who do aren’t saying. I think there was a run on large diameter PVC Pipe and End Caps towards the end of March.
    And if SlideFire destroyed their sales records…, well, no way to know who bought one. Bought from a retail outlet? No record if a cash sale and maybe not by plastic either.
    So I’m guessing there are over a half a million being stashed for retrieval when the Government loses the lawsuits.

    1. They could always say they took it to a gun sale and sold it to some guy with a wad of cash…..sorry I didn’t ask his name.

  17. avatar DJ says:

    Never COMPLY or voluntary surrender any firearms or accessories.

  18. avatar kap says:

    IF I owned one why would I want to give it to the Government being made illegal on a whim, and also cost me Hard earned money, my money, they steal a fu**ing enough from us already, Especially the mind dead moronic Democrats!

  19. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

    As can happen when when a law is Un Constitutional and was ordered by decree rather than Constitutionally thru congress.

  20. avatar Johnny Bullets says:

    This is probably one of those things which could get you in trouble, but I think a good t-shirt would be:

    Will Not Comply

    Will Shoot Back

    1. avatar HP says:

      It’s vague enough that you’d be ok.

      Government: “So you’ll shoot back at us?”

      Person: “Huh? This shirt is a warning to potential armed robbers who want my precious watch. Bunch of savages in this town.”

  21. avatar Geoff says:

    It was stupid to rewrite the law defining a machine gun. That’s changing the law administratively rather than by Legislatively. It’s up to Congress to rewrite the Law or just ban them with a new Law.
    So what or who is the machine gun here? Go to 30 seconds in the video.

  22. avatar NORDNEG says:

    Good job B S owners,,, keep on , keeping on… 🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫😎🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫😎🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫😎

  23. avatar enuf says:

    Was never interested in one and never bothered even looking at one in a gun shop. If I had one, I’d hide it and wait on the courts. Loads of court activity ahead on this thing.

    When this is settled and expecting this rule to be tossed aside, I will await prices to fall and then buy one. Maybe use it once and then put it away as a curiosity.

    I am also the sort who has made a habit in life of reading books or seeing movies that were banned by some authority. Sometimes it means skipping ahead, as some are crap.

    Not unlike the bump stock. It is our right to own them, crappy widget or not, it’s a RIGHT!

    1. avatar KenW says:

      Picked up the file to make one on the 3D printer just to see what it was like last year. It was fairly easy to print, and was done in black nylon so it would hold up for awhile if it had turned out to be worth keeping. After a bit I was able to empty a magazine almost instantly. It was played with it for a few mags and given it to someone at the range who was admiring it as I did not see a real use for it. I Imagine the file called bump_fire_gadget.zip file is still available if one were to look for it.

  24. avatar ColoradoKid says:

    If you, the federal government, want my bumper you can buy it from me. I don’t use it anyway but I paid good LEGAL dollars for it when it was perfectly legal to own. If that’s not an acceptable compromise then arrest me and let’s take the case up the chain. That’s what it’s going to take to stop some of this antigun BS.

  25. avatar Nickel Plated says:

    All this law did is eliminate any reason to screw around with bumpstocks.

    If a bump stock is a machinegun, well, a machinegun is a machinegun. If you’re gonna go the “will not comply route” (as you should) and risk a federal machinegun charge. Might as well just mill out your lower and have the real deal. Most common firearms that are derived from full auto designs are not that hard to convert back.

    If you can complete an 80% receiver, you can make it select fire.

    Just sayin….

    1. avatar Nickel Plated says:

      Forgot to add. A select fire rifle is a lot easier to keep discrete if you have to take it out in public. Keep it on semi, and it looks like any other AR. Bumpstocks tend to have a distinct look to them. Hard to miss.

    2. avatar Andrew lias says:

      Mg42 kits are still out there. Hard to hide however. AKs are probably easier still.

      1. avatar Andrew lias says:

        Also easily not converted back is for people who do not have mechanical skills. An open bolt any is by far easier to make than a semi auto.

  26. avatar Chris T in KY says:

    I don’t own a boat to lose anything over the side. But I do own a Bump Stock.
    And I will not comply.

    The most terrifying thing in the United States Of America is a well spoken, law abiding, black person with an inexpensive rapid fire gun. They say it’s just a “range toy”.

    If helps you to sleep at night then you just keep say that. I have learned a great deal about the history of inexpensive weapons and just how effect they really are.
    A squad of crossbowmen have defeated a squad of rifle men with AK47s in a jungle environment. Over and over again. And sometimes the riflemen have M16s. And the result is still the same.

    Introducing the Recoil Rail, 5min long

  27. avatar Ralph says:

    We’re all felons now.

    What a great way to promote respect for the law.

  28. avatar alternator says:

    Middle finger.

  29. avatar GlockMeAmadeus says:

    ATF will just introduce a tipline, maybe a 50 dollar reward for “law abiding citizens” to turn in bumpstockers.

    Guy at the range sees your bumpstock, calls 800 ATF GUNS.

    Neighbor hears your bumpstock, calls 800 ATF GUNS.

    Wife decides you are scum, calls 800 ATF GUNS.

    Attrition is on the side of the govt.

    1. avatar John in Ohio says:

      “Attrition is on the side of the govt.”

      Yes, it is indeed.

  30. avatar possum says:

    The King has said, yah well fck the King. And when “They” ban semi-autos , same same. “

  31. avatar Victor says:

    So much winning!

  32. avatar Docduracoat says:

    I turned mine in to the ATF.
    I disagree completely on non compliance
    It is now a felony to possess a bump stock.
    What good does it do to keep one in your safe? Or buried on your property?
    No range will let you shoot it.
    You could use it on private property, way out in the country.
    Unless someone hears you and calls the police.
    Or you get stopped and searched on the way there or back.
    Or you have some kind of emergency and you call the police for some other reason and they find it in your car or in your house or on your property.
    Now you will be convicted of a felony and lose your gun rights for life.
    How will my family pay the bills if I lose my medical license for a felony firearms conviction?
    Over something I can do with my finger without a bumpstock?
    I loved mine and used it every time I went shooting.
    I am very angry over turning my legally acquired property in to be destroyed.
    I would not keep a pound of heroin in my house.
    Or an unregistered silencer.
    Why would I risk keeping a bumpstock?
    If the rule is overturned, I will buy another one

    1. avatar Dennis Sumner says:

      Exactly what they’re counting on, yours makes what, eight now?

    2. avatar possum says:

      I can see your point, but man, before I’d have turned it in I would have sold it. And if you ain’t got friends you’d trust selling to, well there you go.

    3. avatar John in Ohio says:

      “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
      ― Samuel Adams

      1. avatar Dennis Sumner says:

        Amen!

  33. avatar daveinwyo says:

    Old saying; Shoot, shovel, shut-up. I don’t have one but if I did the above would apply. The Fed. Gov. can ESAD. If the current crop of asswipe democraps have their way, we are doomed to civil war. One of the idiots said we don’t need cows, there’s plenty of milk in the store. Cut off the food and let the riots begin. Then dispose of what is left.

    1. avatar Tim Kiphart says:

      Dear god please post that cite!

    2. avatar John in Ohio says:

      AOC for President in 2020 ought to do it.

  34. avatar Minuteman says:

    My neighbor buried his bump stock on my property. I never owned one. Now the proof lies on the prosecuting attorney to prove me wrong as there was never a record of me owning it. I don’t own a bump stock but I could see this as a viable defense if there ever was a problem.

  35. avatar Tim Kiphart says:

    Not one fvcking inch. Whether you think bumpstocks are a senseless waste of ammo or the greatest thing since sliced bread, banning them, and especially they way they were banned is bad news, illegal, and immoral. Next up, sniper scopes. Then, grips, because they allow a firearm to be held more securely for enhanced lethality. If they can do it for one thing, they can do it for another.

    What part of “the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” needs explaining? (Emphasis is the authors. Quote is from oft-ignored famous document.)

    1. avatar possum says:

      No, next up is semi-autos. Then, I can see it, the law, Any firearm capable of holding or firing more then one shot before being physically reloaded. …Thank you Paddock and the conspirator’s who set it up.

      1. avatar John in Ohio says:

        “Thank you Paddock”

        Nope. Thank government. There will always be idiots, provocateurs, and evil people. Without the tyrant ready to use any pretext, there would be no tyranny.

  36. avatar GridSquare says:

    Come and take it mother fuckers!!!!!!!

    Feel the hot lead in your belly!!!!

  37. avatar GlockMeAmadeus says:

    Does this mean the warranty is void?

  38. avatar Larry Folds says:

    We need to stand up to lawmakers like republican Senator Graham (SC) as he goes about secretly meeting with democrats to craft red flag laws designed to do only one thing – confiscate.

  39. avatar Larry Folds says:

    I refuse to remain in the NRA until they rescind their support for this 2nd amendment attack.

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