Go Figure: Gun Controllers Use Fuzzy Math to Push an Agenda That Doesn’t Add Up

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By NRA-ILA

There are a lot of things Second Amendment supporters and gun control advocates disagree on, including history, constitutional interpretation, the frequency of armed self-defense, and the role of human agency in violent crime.

But one thing everybody should have a common understanding of is numbers and mathematics.

Unfortunately, recent events show that even when it comes to numerals and counting, gun control supporters inhabit their own alternate reality.

Take, for example, the Statements of Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee that advanced H.R. 8, commonly referred to as a “universal background check bill,” to the full House floor.

Nadler insisted during Wednesday’s debate on the bill that its opponents were exaggerating the penalties that could be assessed for violations. “I just want to point out that the penalty in this bill that keeps being cited as $100,000 is in fact $1,000,” he said (see this video at the 1:44:11 time mark).

Rep. Mike Thompson (D-CA), — Chairman of the House “Gun Violence Prevention Task Force” and the author of H.R. 8 — then took up Nadler’s theme, characterizing the $100,000 fine as among the “outrageous allegations that were made about this bill” (see video at 1:45:13).

Not only did both men neglect to mention that violators can also be punished by up to a year in federal prison – even if the recipient of the private transfer can possess the gun legally and intends to use it only for lawful purposes – both were wrong about the fine.

We think that bears repeating. The two men most responsible for H.R. 8’s passage through the House, including the man credited with writing the bill, both misrepresented the maximum fine that could be imposed for violations of the law it would create.

As Rep. Doug Collins (R-GA) explained later in the debate (see video at 2:25:24), the maximum penalties available for violations of the Class A misdemeanor the bill would create already exist in federal statute and include a term of imprisonment of up to one year (18 U.S.C. § 924(a)(5)) and a fine of up to $100,000 (18 U.S.C. § 3571(b)(5)).

Where in that range a particular violation would be punished would of course be up to the sentencing judge, but nothing in H.R. 8 itself would prevent the judge from imposing the maximum penalties against any violator.

Nevertheless, gun control math requires that when foisting a law upon the public that could criminalize completely harmless conduct – such as gifting a cousin who is a police officer a shotgun to hunt turkeys with – it’s best to minimize the potential penalties by a factor of 100.

Another example of gun control math concerned the debate on H.R. 1112, a bill to extend the waiting period a dealer must observe before deciding whether or not to transfer a firearm to a purchaser whose NICS check has not been completed by the FBI.

Currently, the federal law states that such a transfer may occur when “3 business days … have elapsed, and the system has not notified the [dealer] that the receipt of the firearm by such other person would violate [federal law.]”

This is a critical provision to ensure legally eligible people are not denied firearm purchases simply because the FBI for whatever reason cannot or will not complete their NICS checks.

But in the fuzzy math of gun control, “3 business days” already equals a minimum of 5 calendar days.

That’s because, no matter what time of day the person tries to buy the gun, the ATF doesn’t consider the 3-day clock to start running until the following day.

And, according to ATF, the person isn’t eligible to pick up the firearm on the third day. Rather, the recipient has to wait until the day after the third day.

So 3 actually means at least 5 when it comes to how many days a person has to wait to obtain a firearm when the FBI’s “instant” criminal background check drags on for days, rather than seconds or minutes, the usual timeframe in which it is supposed to complete a check.

As recently as 2013, when the Manchin-Toomey Amendment (another expanded background check provision) was pending, even gun control supporting Democrats were willing to vote for a provision that would have gradually stepped down the 3-day safety valve period to 48 hours and then 24 hours.  That was one of the few provisions in that legislation that made sense. After all, continual advances in computer technology should deliver results more quickly, not less quickly.

But now, six years later, anti-gun Democrats want to go in the opposite direction. Under H.R. 1112, which passed the House on Thursday, the 3-day safety valve for open NICS checks would be eliminated.

The bill’s author, House Majority Whip James Cyburn (D-SC), suggested during debate on the bill that he considered this (a seemingly mandatory) 10-day “cooling-off period” for gun purchases (see video at 25:00), rather than a chance for the FBI to conduct additional research in exceptional cases.

“What would make one so anxious to purchase a gun in the first place?” Clyburn asked rhetorically during his opening remarks. “If you’ve got to have a gun right now, chances are you have no useful purpose, no redeeming value in the purchase of that gun,” he said. Clyburn continued: “And maybe we ought to participate here as members of this body in helping this purchaser with a cooling off period, which is all we’re asking to do here.”

Once again, this was the author of a gun control bill that just passed the U.S. House of Representatives suggesting that Americans, including those in grave danger of violent victimization, should be treated suspiciously for wanting to exercise their constitutional rights without arbitrary delay. Americans would be wise to take him at his word when he described his own legislation this way.

Meanwhile, the anti-gun media tried to minimize H.R. 1112’s effects, claiming the 3-day safety valve period would merely be extended to 10 days to give the FBI more time to conduct checks. See, for example, these articles in the New York Times, the Washington Post, and CNBC.

But contrary to how these and other news stories portrayed the bill, the dealer would not have the option of transferring the gun after the initial 10-day period.

Instead, the prospective purchaser at that point could only petition the FBI for a final answer to the check.

And if the FBI still did not answer, the dealer would have to wait an additional 10 business days before deciding whether or not to transfer the firearm.

So, 10 business days + 10 business days = 20 business days, not 10, as suggested by the numerically-challenged media.

And this is the bare minimum a purchaser with an unresolved NICS check would have to endure.

It’s also important to remember, as we recently noted, that NICS checks expire after 30 calendar days.

So it’s probable that because of weekends and other days when state offices are closed, potential purchasers with open delays will not be able to complete H.R. 1112’s 3-step wait-petition-wait process before they have to undergo another NICs check, which would restart the whole timeline.

When you tally it all up, the 10-day period repeatedly parroted in the uncritical media could actually turn into a repeating loop of month-long delays.

During final debate in the House, a hastily-written amendment was adopted supposedly to fix this problem. It would not.

Numbers, unlike gun control advocates, don’t lie.

And H.R. 8 and 1112 would, if enacted into law, have far-reaching negative effects on law-abiding gun owners.

That you can count on.

 

This article originally appeared at nraila.org and is reprinted here with permission.

comments

  1. avatar cgray says:

    Yeah, this isn’t even going to get out of committee in the Senate, so…

    1. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

      From your lips/finger tips to God’s ear,the supposed rock solid conservative party seems to always find away to Eff it up. GOP instilling confidence HARDLY !!!!!

  2. avatar GS650G says:

    Clyburn assumes someone buying a gun is pissed.off about something enough to commit crimes. Unbelievable.

    1. avatar Big Bill says:

      And this doesn’t address the millions of guns sold legally through FFL holders where the buyers were able to pick up their legally purchased guns immediately after passing the NICS check.
      And the untold number of guns legally sold privately, with no NICS check at all.
      Well, it doesn’t address such sales and transfers yet.
      Nadler obviously believes all those millions of guns were used for illegal purposes. That crime statistics don’t bear out his beliefs, and actually prove them to be wrong, doresn’t matter to him at all.

  3. avatar California Richard says:

    “There are four lights!

    1. avatar ozzallos says:

      High five from the 90s.

  4. avatar B.D. says:

    Don’t all these regulations have far reaching restrictions on law abiding citizens? Because they certainly don’t change anything for non law abiding citizens who would get a weapon through any means necessary to carry out their criminal activities. All they are doing is turning “law abiding” citizens into criminals. So at what point do we say enough is enough, refuse to comply, and change history? Were our founding father not labeled as criminals? Would we not be labeled as domestic terrorists for fighting against tyranny? At some point, the system will inflict more damage than it already has to a point where people are forced to leave the safety of their daily routines and stop the govt from seizing assets illegally to maintain our freedom… so when does it RESTART?

    Ready whenever you are.

  5. avatar Timothy Toroian says:

    What is that old saying, “How do you know a politician is lying? His mouth is open.” How do you know a leftist is lying, they are just standing there.

  6. avatar strych9 says:

    “If you’ve got to have a gun right now, chances are you have no useful purpose, no redeeming value in the purchase of that gun…”

    It’s interesting to note that people generally assume that everyone else thinks and react the way they do. In other words, what Clyburn is likely saying here is “If I wanted a gun today that would be dangerous because I know I’m kind of unstable and quick to anger and possibly the kind to resort to extreme violence for no real reason”.

    If I was a betting man I’d wager what he’s said here is more of an unknowing statement about his own volatile personality than it is about much else.

    1. avatar Sian says:

      There is so much projecting on the anti-gun rights side of the aisle that it’s a miracle that light doesn’t come out of their ears.

    2. avatar Illinois_Minion says:

      “If you’ve got to have a gun right now, chances are you have no useful purpose, no redeeming value in the purchase of that gun…” Uh..Self defense against someone who suddenly is threatening me/my family?

      Lets try it this way:
      “If you’ve got to have an alcoholic drink now, chances are you have no useful purpose, no redeeming value in the purchase of that gun…”

      “If you’ve got to have a automobile now, chances are you have no useful purpose, no redeeming value in the purchase of that gun…”

      So impulse buys are bad – got it.

  7. avatar Billy Bob says:

    Fuckin seditious scum.

  8. avatar Kenneth says:

    This is no case of “fuzzy math”. There is no arithmetic required to read a number and say it. Not even basic addition. When the document says: 100,000, and one corrects that to; 1,000, thats not a math error, that’s an adult who either cannot read(Jacob Zuma, perhaps?), or is pulling his ‘facts’ out of his ass and throwing it around to see what it sticks to.

  9. avatar Tom T says:

    That “3 day” always cracks me up. Unless you are buying on a Monday, it’s a week. So just be honest and say a week.

  10. avatar DaveL says:

    I doubt very much that the fact their “expanded time for background checks” completely runs out the validity period is the result of ineptitude. For years now, they’ve been trying to sneak the Executive Branch a discretionary veto on all gun sales. They tried it with the Terrorism Watch List gimmick. They tried having the SSA “reinterpret” the law to make themselves a “competent authority” to adjudicate people mentally defective. It has taken many forms, but the basic goal has been the same.

  11. avatar Chip in Florida says:

    “…If you’ve got to have a gun right now, chances are you have no useful purpose, no redeeming value in the purchase of that gun,””

    The airlines and/or TSA ‘lost’ my case containing my firearms and tomorrow is the first day of hunting season.

    Clyburn . What a Farging Icehole.

  12. avatar Victoria Illinois says:

    The law only affects 1st time gun buyers. If you really want to commit a crime today, you use your other gun, steal one, or buy one on the street…or use a knife. It’s not rocket science.

    1. avatar MyName says:

      Just more evidence of projection on their part. They don’t own any guns, can think of no reason to buy one other than committing a violent crime, and, therefore, conclude that delaying the purchase of a gun inherently reduces the likelihood of a violent crime being committed. It is a ridiculous line of reasoning with no basis in reality but it appears to be what they are thinking.

  13. avatar Pg2 says:

    Sketchy math is commonly used when someone is trying to deprive you of your rights….the CDC has mastered sketchy math.

  14. avatar MyName says:

    Lying, obfuscation and poor math – sounds like any other day in congress.

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