It Begins: Nikki Fried Turning Florida’s Concealed Weapon Permit System Into a Bureaucratic Nightmare

florida nikki fried ag commissioner CWP

courtesy Luis Valdes

Florida’s newly-elected Democrat Commissioner of Agriculture and Consumer Services, Nikki Fried, oversees the issuance of concealed carry permits in the state. During her campaign, she vowed to use her office to crack down on guns in every way possible. I figured that meant that she’d accomplish that through creative interpretation and application of the laws concerning concealed carry in the Sunshine State.

Since taking office, she has added some well-known anti-gun individuals to her staff. Folks like Fred Guttenberg and Mary Barzee Flores.

Now, a fellow Florida gun owner I know (who wishes to remain anonymous) is facing some of the first effects of Fried’s anti-gun jihad. And he isn’t alone.

My friend received a certified letter from the  Commissioner’s office stating that his concealed weapons permit had been indefinitely suspended. The Ag Department claimed this was because he had an injunction (restraining order) filed against him in Nassau County in 2003. The only problem with that is that it never happened.

Courtesy – Luis Valdes

He called the Nassau County Clerk’s office to confirm that they have no record of any injunction issued against him. He then went to the local Dept. of Agriculture and Consumer Services office to explain and see if he could get the situation resolved.

Instead of listening and verifying the information he provided, they simply confiscated his carry permit. They told him he had to go to the Clerk of Court’s office and get a court-certified letter stating they have no record of any injunction issued against him. Then he’d get his permit back.

That’s correct. A state agency is demanding that a citizen prove his innocence so he can exercise a constitutional right.

This individual has been a concealed weapon permit holder in Florida for twelve years. He originally applied in 2007 and renewed in 2017. Both times he was approved via the state’s background screening process. He also is a Federal Firearms License holder and passed BATFE’s background check process in 2008.

My friend called the Clerk of Court’s office. They explained again that they have no record of any injunction being filed against him. Furthermore, he was never served with papers to that effect. There is no record of “return of service” or “return of writ” in their database, which means that no injunction was filed against him without him being served.

His permit was pulled by Fried’s office to fulfill a campaign promise. The last Agriculture Commissioner, Adam Putnam, had a problem resulting in 291 permits mistakenly issued to people who didn’t qualify. That’s out of 1.9 million total. Fried and state Democrats seized on the issue, campaigning heavily on the need to go over everyone’s record with a fine-tooth comb.

Never mind the fact that 291 out of 1.9 million is basically a rounding error. I have a better chance of winning the lottery and getting struck by lightning at the same time. But the error provided the perfect excuse and she is using it as her reason to push gun control from her new position.

My friend got the certified letter from the Clerk of Court’s office on March 4 stating that there is no record of such injunction filed against him.

Courtesy – Luis Valdes

He had the proof he was told he needed to verify his innocence and he delivered it to the Ag Department. He should then have gotten his permit back. Did they return it? No. Instead they told him this:

“Thank you for returning the required paperwork, we’re going to have to send this off to Tallahassee for verification and filing. We’ll send you a letter in 3-4 weeks to let you know when you can come back to pick up your permit.”

My friend now has to wait as much as a month because of the Ag. Department’s “error.” How did they determine that a non-existent restraining order had been filed against him? We may never know. But my friend wasn’t the only concealed weapon permit holder to have his ticket pulled.

He told me…

“On the way out I walked by a guy who was lost and looking for the CWP office, gave him directions. He looked like he had a certified letter in his hand too, poor guy.”

We live in an age of instantaneous communication across the globe and yet the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services is saying that they’ll need three to four weeks to “verify” the certified letter my friend handed them. And they’ll need to do it from Tallahassee.

Apparently having the local office pick up a phone to call the Clerk of Court or using information from the Florida Comprehensive Case Information System or the public Clerk of Courts’ database is utterly beyond their bureaucratic capabilities.

Or maybe this is exactly the way the new Commissioner wants these cases handled. Because a right delayed is a right denied.

Fried appears to be using regulatory stagnation in order to accomplish her goals. She’s turning a once smooth-running machine into a bureaucratic nightmare, making people jump through hoops in order to retain their right to keep and bear arms.

Elections have consequences.

comments

  1. avatar SAFEupstateFML says:

    Sounds like some Albany/NYC tier nonsense…. well I guess expats could be partly to blame and unfortunately she has oversight of that whole state so even moving to a more friendly county is out. Good luck on the next election I fear it will be needed.

    1. avatar hal_greaves says:

      Make sure to remind the “principled conservative” types that this is the result of their foolishness, all the same.

      1. avatar Asdf says:

        For electing a guy you don’t like?

        1. avatar Hannibal says:

          I’m assuming he means the opposite; that those who refused to give their allegiance to the Trump party caused this.

        2. avatar SAFEupstateFML says:

          I generally saw Florida’s elections as less Orange Man Bad and more the left throwing an unimaginable amount of money, misinformation and resources to see what they could get. Obviously not a great result for us but could have been far worse and hopefully cost them some opportunities elsewhere

      2. avatar John says:

        Completely agree. This “principal conservative” nonsense is electing idiots like this lady to office.

    2. avatar narmvyguy says:

      Time to fry fried….

  2. avatar Paul Hurst says:

    This is why you should always have an out-of-state permit from somewhere.

    1. avatar Me says:

      It’s my understanding that Florida doesn’t honor non-resident out of state permits held by Florida residents.

      1. avatar YuGo HuGo says:

        Some states require you to have their state issued permit if you are a resident. Those visiting or traveling through said state may not have a problem with their home state permit. Once residency is established then a carry permit from another state is of no value. Good idea to read up on your state’s carry permit laws before even applying for any out of state permit.

  3. avatar Chip Bennett says:

    I’m curious: why did he hand over his permit in the first place? The letter only indicates that carrying a firearm with a suspended permit is an offense. It says nothing about failing to surrender a suspended permit. Why did he not tell them to pound sand, and then get a lawyer?

    1. avatar Blackspike2710 says:

      Just got my driver’s licence renewed this morning. First thing they asked was for my old one. I handed it over without a seconds hesitation. Had something come up and they decided not to return it I would have been SOL. I imagine they did the same to him.

      1. avatar Chip Bennett says:

        He should have known that they would seize it going in. The letter demanded that he surrender it. Unless there is some statutory penalty for failing to surrender a suspended permit, I don’t understand why he complied.

        “Give us your permit.”

        “Sorry, I can’t do that. I don’t have it with me.”

        1. avatar Erik says:

          The permit is worthless. For him to continue using it would be fraud. Even for identification purposes. I don’t understand why you wouldn’t hand it over.

        2. avatar Floriduh man says:

          Exactly. The permit is as worthless as an empty oxygen bottle on a dive.

        3. avatar Chip Bennett says:

          Except, he now has official documentation proving that they’re full of it, and that their claim is specious. When they have the permit, they can play delaying games for as long as they want.

          Even if he sues (and he should) and wins (which he would), the bureaucrats can still play delaying games with returning the permit (like often happens with guns held as “evidence” or otherwise confiscated).

        4. avatar Blue says:

          He could have put it in the safe until they reactivate it etc. What’s to keep these punks from doing this to someone and them not even know it until they get checked? Furthermore Nikke Fried as a medical weed card which means she can’t legally submit a 4473 without committing perjury at the Federal level.

      2. avatar tsbhoa.p.jr says:

        i have all my old dl’s. always ask for replacement at renewal time. bring adequate id.
        remember when they stapled your license to the docket for citations? i could strain psghet with those first couple issues.

        1. avatar Bill Van Riper says:

          The staple holes also clued in the officer on subsequent stops that you probably didn’t warrant a warning.

  4. avatar JR Pollock says:

    Fraudulent elections have dire consequences, indeed. I’ve been looking at the various Florida statutes to see if Nikki Baked is subject to recall, as I’d happily start a petion drive for that purpose, but no such luck.

    I guess we’ll have to rely on our Conservative Republican(snicker) Legislature to impeach her. I’m not holding my breath.

    Hopefully, Gov. DeSantis’ new SCOFL Justices will issue some favorable Second Amendment rulings. I fear they are our last(and only) hope.

    1. avatar Blue says:

      She is open to Impeachment under the FL Constitution.

  5. avatar DaveL says:

    I’d love to see the federal DOJ start using “Conspiracy Against Civil Rights” statutes against abuses of state power like this.

    1. avatar pwrserge says:

      Under plain reading of the federal statute, he’s got a solid civil case agains the cow. Fraudulently denying somebody a right under color of law gives somebody standing to file for damages in federal court against the individuals responsible.

      1. avatar Fully Involved says:

        I sincerely hope he and people in his position do sue.

        1. avatar Hannibal says:

          Sadly, most do not have the time and resources to sue.

          I would start with Florida’s sunshine law \ state FIOA act and see if he could compel them to release whatever information they supposedly had to implicate him.

      2. avatar LKB says:

        Yup. And the fact that they withheld return of his permit after being confronted with the evidence that it had been wrongfully seized in the first place ought to nuke any claim of qualified immunity.

        Plus, use her own campaign promises as evidence that this is a deliberate effort to deprive gun owners of their rights.

        Question for Florida lawyers out there: would venue for a suit against the Ag Commissioner be in Tallahassee? (I daresay that the jury pool in N. Florida is going to be a lot more hostile to her than her South Florida strongholds.)

        1. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

          You’re right about the makeup of a potential jury pool, north Florida’s strong rural turnout is what elected Trump in Florida in 2016…

        2. avatar Chip in Florida says:

          Tallahassee is very, very blue. It is the college town so it is very leftist. Not the areas around it, just Tallahassee.

        3. avatar LKB says:

          OK, so filing in Tallahassee would probably be comparable to filing in Austin . . . spot of blue in a larger red area.

          Federal jury pool would be from the larger surrounding area (i.e., would not be limited to Tallahassee or Austin, but would also draw from surrounding red counties). Still probably much better than filing in South Florida.

          SAF ought to be all over this.

  6. avatar NORDNEG says:

    I think Florida just got a new governor who a 2A supporter, I think he just fired a police chief for the school shooting screw up, maybe this guy ought to get ahold of him to put this agricultural idiot in her place, or better yet fire the bimbo.

    1. avatar rosignol says:

      I don’t think Governors can generally fire an elected official at-will, there needs to be some kind of misconduct justifying dismissal, and a process reviewing the misconduct. That’s why Sheriff F-up stunk up the place for so long.

    2. avatar Dan Y says:

      Why can’t the State legislature get involved and put Firearms carry permits in the Dept of Justice where it belongs. Like almost every other State. The Dept of Ag? Really?

      1. avatar Blue says:

        It was put under FDACS because it is headed by an elected cabinet member. It was under the State Dept until it was no longer an elected cabinet. FDLE the law enforcement would be a conflict as well as a political appointee which is a conflict of interest. Frankly, cops should be over seeing this for obvious reasons . . . I give you New Jersey, MD, NY etc. which have become Jack Boots.

    3. avatar Blue says:

      That was the Coward County Sheriff and he was suspended pending a Senate trial.

  7. avatar Truckman says:

    Don,t think she will be in office long before she gets sued for her actions with gun permits

    1. avatar cdc says:

      She needs to listen to I fought the law and the law won over and over again while in a cold, dark, damp prison cell.

  8. avatar Gallows Humor says:

    Under 18 U.S. Code § 241. Conspiracy against rights, she and her minions could be prosecuted for depriving civil rights. And, if a death or serious injury resulted from that deprivation (CCW holder has permit suspended and later is maimed or killed during a robbery) it is possible to call for the death penalty. Of course, none of this is likely, but I could see the headlines the day after the Ag Commissioner visited Ol’ Sparky:

    Agriculture Commissioner Executed for Civil Rights Violations: Nikki Fried

    1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      Gallows Humor,

      The two prominent federal statutes for deprivation of rights under color of law are HUGE hammers that fedzilla could bring down mightily on offenders. Unfortunately, I never seem to hear of fedzilla ever actually swinging either hammer.

      Government employees seem to be very reluctant to hold other government employees accountable — this is my surprised face.

      1. avatar Southern Cross says:

        Because they all apparatchiks doing their part for the nomemklatura (the new ruling class).

    2. avatar Mister Ed says:

      Also 18 USC 242: Deprivation of rights under color of law

      1. avatar S.Choir says:

        Unfortunately, concealed carry is not a right or privilege protected by the Constitution. As such, 18 USC ss. 242 is inapplicable.

        1. avatar Terry Poynter says:

          How so? Shall not be infringed is clear cut. whether I conceal or openly carry.

        2. avatar Steven Gigandet says:

          The constitution makes no distinction between open carry and concealed carry! The Right to Bear Arms means we have the Right to carry loaded weapons openly or concealed! Very soon the Supreme Court will rule this to be factual making Constitutional carry legal in all 50 States!

    3. avatar AC says:

      First of all let me say that there two axioms of law that would apply here. The first is that, “If you don’t know your Rights then you simply don’t have any”. And the second is that, “If you do not raise an objection then you do not have one”. Because a Right that is not asserted and invoked is a Right that in practice unfortunately does not exist. Also, please stop asking for the government’s permission to exercise a God given constitutionally protected Right… because by doing so you are converting this Right into a government granted privilege and which of course is then made subject to regulations and limitations which the government can and does impose. And remember that what the government gives to you it can also take away. Also understand that a Right and a privilege are two very different things. A Right can not be taken from you nor can it be surrendered.

      With regards to gun rights; Please try to understand that there has never been any change or alteration to the provisions of the 2nd Amendment and therefore the “Right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” remains as the “Supreme Law of the Land”. And furthermore, understand that the Constitution is a compact (a contract) and that amendments to any contract permanently change the provisions of the original document as the amendment “supersedes” the provisions and conditions of the original document! And you must also come to understand that the Constitution and all of the provisions included within it and by its amendments always trump any state law, code or regulation. And that even the laws of the United States are subordinate to the Constitution. Article VI, Section 2 of the Constitution makes very clear that the Laws of the United States “shall be made in Pursuance thereof”. Therefore U.S. Law is NOT automatically supreme nor can any law take its place together with the Constitution under that umbrella of being “The Supreme Law of the Land” until and only if that new law meets that condition that it was made in “pursuance thereof” with respect to the Constitution. There are numerous Supreme Court decisions have ruled that laws made in conflict with the Constitution are null and void from their inception. See just two of several examples here:

      “The Constitution of these United States is the supreme law of the land. Any law that
      is repugnant to the Constitution is null and void of law.” – Marbury v. Madison, 5 US
      137
      Additionally, “An unconstitutional act is not law; it confers no rights; it imposes no
      duties; affords no protection; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation, as
      inoperative as though it had never been passed.” Norton v. Shelby County, 118 U.S.
      425

      There is much more to this, enough actually I think to bring about a meaningful suit against the government for acting outside of the scope of its authority and to possibly even nullify existing anti-gun legislation laws. Both the supremacy clause and the commerce clause (which government has relied on for its authority in the regulation of firearms) have been misinterpreted and misapplied. A great many examples can be stated to show that government has NOT been following the “Rule of Law” and yet we always seem to hear almost every politician voice his or her concern over the all important Rule of Law and how it must be protected. But there is a hierarchy to the Rule of Law, but unfortunately our government and our politicians have been ignoring it… as well as violating their oath of office.

      But as for you personally, what can you do when you find that your Rights have been violated? I will refer you to Section 1983 of Title 42 of the U.S. Code.

      Title 42, § 1983 – Every person who, under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory or the District of Columbia, subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress…

      Time to wake up Patriots; our Republic is circling the drain.

      “Every single treaty the Indians made with the U.S. Government was broken by Washington; The U.S. Constitution is the treaty that the American people have with the Federal Government, and it too is now also being broken”. — Russell Means, Indian activist.

  9. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

    Sounds like a good argument for constitutional carry. Perhaps the local 2A rights groups should seize on this. That would be pretty ironic if her abuse of office pushed it through.

    1. avatar GunnyGene says:

      That has been brought up in FL before. It’s not likely to happen anytime soon. Reciprocity with States that have Permitless Carry is pretty rare at the moment, and even a couple of so called “permitless carry” States require a permit from out of state residents of other permitless carry states. It’s a huge can of worms.

      1. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

        Until Constitutional Carry is passed in every state you’re going to need a permit to carry when you travel, which I think every CC state has except VT.

        It may have been brought up before, but never when the permit system was being abused to deny citizens of their rights. That could push a lot of pols off the fence.

        1. avatar Blue says:

          Actually, there are several now, AK, WY, AZ, KY for example

    2. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      He should petition the courts RIGHT NOW (while the Florida Agriculture Department is denying his concealed carry license) for having no way to exercise his unalienable right to keep and bear arms. (Remember, Florida does not allow open carry.)

      The only question is whether he files suit in Florida courts or federal courts.

      1. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

        Yes, the courts could put an end to this but, especially if this turns out to be rampant, it could be a rallying call for constitutional carry nation wide. Bureaucrats shouldn’t have the power to deny citizens of their rights.

    3. avatar Gadsden says:

      That’d be nice but we can’t even get open carry here. Not for lack of trying but the liberal/RHINO presence here is formidable.

      1. avatar Blue says:

        That is correct. It only takes one in a key place like chairing a committee out of 3 in the senate or the 3 in the house to derail the system or the Senate President to not let a bill that passed both houses to go to the floor for a vote. Now we have Bill Galvano who is bought and paid for by none other than Mikey Bloomberg.

  10. avatar SCW says:

    Carrying a concealed weapon is a misdemeanor in my state so I never have, and most likely never will apply for a carry permit. I just carry the gun and accept the consequences. I’m not paying a fee, nor taking time out of my day to exercise a constitutional right. Plus, a motor vehicle is seen as an extension of the home in my state so no permit needed to CC in a vehicle. I work for a small, privately owned business where I’ve got permission to have a gun so no permit needed there.

    Carrying a firearm is seen as normal in my area so no one bats an eye if they see one. I frequent a flea market where damn near every one of the old timers carries a gun. You see people walking about with guns they bought as well. No one cares. The deputies who provide security there are more likely to ask to buy your gun or talk shop than hassle you over a permit. They don’t care about people who aren’t doing anything wrong.

    Hopefully, Florida can get it’s shit straight. I doubt it though…it’s Florida.

  11. avatar GunnyGene says:

    She will fix it when she finds her:

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  12. avatar uncommon_sense says:

    I predicted this previously: that a vindictive licensing entity could intentionally foul up and attribute deliberate malfeasance to “clerical errors” or “insufficient resources”. I even predicted that a vindictive licensing entity could outright refuse to do their job in a timely manner because no one can really do anything about it other than unseat them at the next election.

    It looks like that might just be EXACTLY what is happening in Florida.

    1. avatar Southern Cross says:

      There is a chance our unfortunate victim had a similar name to the person who was the subject of the injunction. But the rest is either breach of process or just plain laziness on the part of the dept of Ag apparatchiks.

      But, from the far side of the world I predicted they would every opportunity to obfuscate, delay, or deny processing. And every procedural loophole to delay or deny applications. The next stage will be the removal of staff who don’t follow the culture to be replaced by those more interested in following partisan politics.

  13. avatar uncommon_sense says:

    [Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services Licensing Division] told him he had to go to the Clerk of Court’s office and get a court-certified letter stating they have no record of any injunction issued against him. Then he’d get his permit back.

    That’s correct. A state agency is demanding that a citizen prove his innocence so he can exercise a constitutional right.

    Yeah, that was really gross. How about the Florida Licensing Division has to provide a copy of the court documents before they can rescind his license?

    Of course, any entity that is happy to deprive someone of their right to keep and bear arms is equally happy to deprive them of their right to due process as well as our cornerstone principle on presumption of innocence.

    1. avatar GS650G says:

      They were remarkable light on details and facts in the cert letter. That’s omnious.

  14. avatar Jay in Florida says:

    I see a nice law suit coming once he gets his permit back.
    Or our new commish who stole her job. Getting a nice spanking from the governor’s office.

    1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      Jay in Florida,

      Does Florida have a state equivalent to federal statutes which punish deprivation of rights under color of law? If so, the REPUBLICAN Governor’s office should immediately direct the REPUBLICAN Florida Attorney General Ashley Moody to drop the hammer on the offenders in this case.

      1. avatar Jay in Florida says:

        As Im not a lawyer nor pretend to be one. I cant answer you.
        But
        I do believe for all its worth.
        The Governor can do something about this should he wish too.
        If he can kick out a sheriff who was duly elected and deservedly so.
        I don’t see how Nikki can be an obstructionist and head a Department.

        1. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

          “I don’t see how Nikki can be an obstructionist and head a Department.”

          That’s the very best kind of Leftist department head…

        2. avatar Blue says:

          Since she is elected cabinet member, she would probably have to be impeached. The gov doesn’t “kick out” officials. The Gov suspends them pending a Senate trial unless said person is under criminal indictment facing a trial there.

  15. avatar million says:

    Why did he not request a formal hearing?

    1. avatar GS650G says:

      Maybe he doesn’t have time and money. Maybe he should not need to when Nassau county says it’s bullshit.

  16. avatar OBOB says:

    Simple fix—–use DemO rat tactics against them

    everyone that SUDDENLY looses their permit in the state should sue Nikki Fried PERSONALLY and then add the state on top of that…do this thousands of times and she will give up, then quit to shut you all up!

    1. avatar Southern Cross says:

      Take a page from the Scientology playbook (even though I personally consider them a thoroughly vile and detestable organization) when they successfully took on the IRS by not targeting the agency but by targeting the individuals working for the agency.

      Suddenly there will be a lot of John Does and Jane Does working for the Florida Department of Agriculture.

  17. avatar GlockMeAmadeus says:

    Loss of the permit doesnt end his ability to keep a gun handy in FL, he can still legally keep guns in his car “so long as they are not readily accessible” which allows glovebox carry, with the gun in a holster or range bag.

    FL gun laws are quixotic and intentionally broad and vague. Keeps the lawyers busy. The NRA-ILA is flush with money, will they help this guy?

  18. avatar DJ says:

    Recall the stupid bitch. Class action lawsuit?

  19. avatar David Branum says:

    First, this should not be allowed, but when a letter like this goes out they should be required by law to include supporting documents so a person has the chance to refute the accusation. It should not be “because we said so” and should not be a guessing game.

  20. avatar Mikial says:

    Simple solution . . . Constitutional Carry.

  21. avatar Gadsden Flag says:

    Fuck her and ignore her. I really believe the Maryland “We will not comply” movement is the answer. It needs to go nation wide. Let’s make it happen.

  22. avatar Nanashi says:

    Reminder that Rick Scott is to blame for her “winning”. He refused to shut down voter fraud till it effected him and Caldwell lost by less than the fraudulent votes. Scott should resign and be replaced with Caldwell.

    1. avatar Jay in Florida says:

      I have to say as a Floridian.
      This last election made me sick. 2000 all over again.
      Fried stole the job. Thanks to my home county Palm Beach where out of nowhere they found 70,000 votes for her.
      The only Dimwit elected to a statewide position.
      Thankfully a pretty small job when all is considered.
      Permit bullshit aside. This will cost her.

      1. avatar Blue says:

        The Dems milk the “provisional ballots” and the absentee system. There is no excuse for provisional ballots being used

    2. avatar Tom Shievers says:

      Nooooo.

      Many folks like me voted for her marijuana stance. She will never be elected again if she doesn’t do anything with it.

      Caldwell was just a moran with a bowtie and gun.

      1. avatar Chip Bennett says:

        Well, I’ll give you credit for having the stones to admit doing something so stupid. The next step is not repeating it.

        1. avatar JR Pollock says:

          Chip,
          There’s the reason they call it dope..

      2. avatar GS650G says:

        Try not to vote stoned next time

      3. avatar Blue says:

        Therein lies the problem. You do realize that at the Federal level “weed” is illegal meaning that perjury is committed anytime a 4473 is filled out? Lastly, I don’t know why anyone would vote weed over 2A. There are plenty of people at there that seem to support both.

  23. avatar Opto_isolator says:

    Shit. My permit is set to expire in August. Anyone know if I am allowed to renew early or if I have to wait until they send me the renewal notice?

    1. avatar GS650G says:

      I believe it’s 90 days prior. I’ve held a Florida ticket since 96 and each time I got a packet 3 months before.

      1. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

        ” I’ve held a Florida ticket since 96 and each time I got a packet 3 months before.”

        With her in charge and admittedly hostile to carry permits, it wouldn’t surprise me in the least she ‘forgets’ to mail those reminders and force you to re-apply all over again…

    2. avatar Southern Cross says:

      I don’t know your processes, but if you don’t get the renewal at 4 weeks before due date contact them immediately. Otherwise a submission after the due date will be considered a re-application instead a subject to more stringent scrutiny.

        1. avatar GS650G says:

          How do I renew my license?

          Approximately 150 days prior to the expiration date of your license, FDACS will send your renewal application form with complete instructions on how to renew your license.

          You can renew your license in one of four ways:

          Online. You must have your renewal application available and have the ability to submit a color photograph.
          At a regional office. You can simply walk into one of our regional offices, submit your renewal application and leave with your license in hand. Bring your unsigned renewal form with you. We will perform the notary service and take your picture at no additional charge.
          At an authorized tax collector’s office. An appointment may be required and a service fee may apply.
          By mail. Return your renewal application to: Concealed Weapon or Firearm License Renewals, Division of Licensing, P.O. Box 6387, Tallahassee, FL 32314-6387.

          Of course little Nikki might make a few adjustments to any of this depending on the grass she is smoking at the time

        2. avatar GS650G says:

          Can I renew my expired license?

          A concealed weapon license can be renewed if it has not been expired for more than 180 days. A late fee of $15 is required in addition to the renewal license fee [ Adobe PDF Document 232.92 KB ].

          If the license has been expired for more than 180 days, you must reapply for a new license. If you need another renewal notice sent to you, please contact FDACS at [email protected] or (850) 245-5691. If your license has been expired longer than the allowable time, you must apply for a new license.

  24. avatar Vince Murphy says:

    The legislature is considering a proposal to take CCL oversight away from Department of Agriculture. These types of incidents should help with that project.

    1. avatar GS650G says:

      That would be great. Nikki can count oranges and grapefruit instead.

      1. avatar Blue says:

        We do NOT want this moved to FDLE. 1st, the dept is not under an elected official. It used to be under the Dept of State until that cabinet member was no longer elected and was moved to FDACS in 2002. Furthermore, we don’t need “police” keeping data bases of law abiding citizens. It is one of the unique things about Florida. In fact such lists are against Florida Statutes etc. That’s why the CCW isn’t supposed to automatically show up when your DL is ran.

  25. avatar jram01 says:

    I’ve requested a Non-Resident (Florida) CCL, with all proper documentation in accordance with Chapter 790, Florida Statutes.

    My documents included:

    1: Properly completed Application for CCL – Form FDACS-16036 – Rev. 07/16.

    2: Copy of current Fingerprint Data to be used by:
    Officials of State, Local and County,Law Enforcement Agencies as authorized
    by State Statutes and approved by the AG of the US.

    3: Certificate of State Police Concealed Firearm Training.

    4: Although not required, I did supply copies of my current and updated:
    Driver’s License
    Local State FOID Card
    Local State CCL Card
    Non-Resident CCL Card
    Self-Defense Insurance Card (Member since 2015).Also, indicated that
    Additional Training Programs and videos are and have been provided by my
    SD Insurance, upon request.

    All of the above information, together with application fee was submitted to the Florida Department of Agriculture & Consumer Services for their review on January 09, 2019. The FDACS indicated they have received my application and is currently being processed. A time-line of approximately 90 days upon receipt would be needed to complete their review of my application and data. If all goes well and approved, I should find out about April 15th or a little later.

    1. avatar GS650G says:

      Or maybe you’ll get a letter saying it’s still being reviewed

    2. avatar Southern Cross says:

      That could be 90 working days, not just 90 days. That will increase the time by 40%.

    3. avatar GS650G says:

      They might be using new math which means 2 or 3 years,

      1. avatar jram01 says:

        Sounds like I may receive my CCL just in time to apply for a RENEWAL. 🙂

  26. avatar TFred says:

    I hope they get their pants sued off. How is this not a 1983 deprivation of civil rights under the color of law?

  27. avatar TFred says:

    In all seriousness, couldn’t one submit a FOIA request for the information upon which these letters is based? Is there ANY accountability whatsoever?

    This is no better than what the Democrat House is doing to President Trump and everyone who ever walked within 10 feet of him right now.

  28. avatar GS650G says:

    I don’t have to renew mine until 2023. Maybe she’ll be gone by then.
    I bet the renewal process is going to be slow and laborious.

    1. avatar Southern Cross says:

      It probably will be because most of employees will be replaced by her cronies who will also infiltrate the management to impose a new culture of denial of process and obfuscation.

  29. avatar Lew says:

    Time to use Attorneys and screw with the state.

  30. avatar Ed Schrade says:

    File a $ 30 million dollar civil rights violation in the individuals name, not the state.

  31. avatar 24and7 says:

    This is what happens when they keep “finding democrat votes” until the election was stolen.. this is what happens when an inept Republican party does not fight election fraud.. The Republicans stood idly by and let the election get stolen and did NOTHING!.. They hung the Republican candidate out to dry..

  32. avatar Opto_isolator says:

    I sent a note to Desantis’s office referencing this article. I hope they look at it and investigate this malfeasance.

  33. avatar TruthTellers says:

    All the more reason to pass constitutional carry. Take the power out of the hands of bureaucrats to hassle the innocent.

  34. avatar Full Otto says:

    The Fl Guvnor or Senate could sue the Dept of Ag and save us time and money if they cared to but as reported in ttag Republican support of gun rights erodes as the state moves left. Republicans are just politicians. No votes=no support.

  35. avatar Anonymous says:

    http://archive.is/MlDYq A More interesting background on our gun grabber of agriculture

  36. avatar Mark Petrozella says:

    I stupidly let my license lapse! When I found out this liberal communist was taking office and what she was planning, I went to get a new one. That was just before New Years. When I went to the office, to do all my paperwork, the girl told me ” the average wait time, is great right now! Should only take 4 or 5 weeks from what I have been told from others lately. If it’s not there in 5 weeks go online and check on it”. She then gave me my online info to check. That was almost 3 months ago and the online system tells me they have 90 days to approve or deny every application and to check in 90 days to see if I need to hand in more info etc…. 4 to 5 weeks my ass! Unfortunately unwanted too long and this bitch took office a week later. I have had my CCW in Florida twice and my G Firearms license twice as well(which is for security, and P.I.s). So obviously I am eligible! This sucks, but I guess it’s my fault. I waited to long, and let it lapse too. Both my mistakes!

    1. avatar SwampDaddy says:

      Elections have consequences. Reactionary people bitch and whine about being a day late and a dollar short.

      1. avatar Blue says:

        I voted against the neo-Bolshevik. To injury to insult, she appointed Gwen “WASP spray” Grahams husband to head up the ccw licensing.

    2. avatar jram01 says:

      There you go! The last two sentences says it all.

      1. avatar MarkPetrozella says:

        In my defense, this is the damn GUNShine state! Didn’t think this would happen!

  37. It begins, huh? One guy has his permit revoked over an obvious mistake, and TTAG makes it all crazy. Smh.

    1. avatar Blue says:

      Really? Are you that obtuse? You know she has Gwen “WASP Spray” Graham heading the CCW License unit don’t you? Have you looked into this neo-Bolshevik? Obviously not because you would know otherwise what she said she plans to do.

  38. avatar Bierce Ambrose says:

    So, banning by other means: making the exercise of formally permitted rights, practically prohibited.

    Jethro-Crow, maybe?

  39. avatar DDay says:

    Where are the pro 2A lawyers in FL? They should take his case and others pro bono and get an injunction against fried and nip this in the bud.

  40. avatar Tom says:

    Dont be a law abiding citizen anymore ..you are the only ones effected by this.. i carry because i would love to go to a jury and plead my case to the god given right to protect my life and my families lifes..

  41. avatar james says:

    These citizens are being denied due process, they provided zero evidence that his permit should be revoked.

  42. avatar John Sherrill says:

    This is the way communism works…
    Rules for radicals…
    Harass, accuse, and abuse your political opponent anyway you can…
    Chicago politics countrywide…
    This is also why Constututional Carry laws are so important. It’s more difficult to target people individually.

  43. avatar Joe Burwocky says:

    Except that carrying a concealed firearm in Florida is not a Constitutionally protected right. It should be, but SCOTUS has make it quite clear that States have the right to regulate concealed carry.

    Unless we advocate anarchy, or there are future rulings that return us to the true intent of the 2nd Amendment (Individual liberty) we have to accept their rulings.

  44. avatar Blue says:

    First off the idiots should be fired for calling it a permit when technically it is a license as per statute and is “Shall Issue.” It is time to start putting together enough of this cases to get Nikki Fried removed from office via malfeasance. I tried to warn people to get out and vote for Ag Commissioner and beat this moon bat neo-Bolshevik.

  45. avatar Blue says:

    If enough of these cases show a pattern, I implore the people to get together and press for impeachment preceding against Nikki Fried.

  46. “The best way to destroy any free people
    is to first DISARM the law abiding free populace”
    _Obama’s mentor, hero & Idol, Adolf Hitler

  47. avatar Jim Wildrick Jr says:

    I just filed with them for non resident carry permit.Reason Delaware does not accept Pa.permit.I believe this because Pa.does not fingerprint or require safety training.I heard the new person down there is anti gun but decided to take a chance.Just hoping my ninety seven dollars and documents were not wasted.This would have been unnecessary if we had National Reciprocity or constitutional carry nation wide.

  48. avatar Red says:

    If Prick Scott had not been such a jerk about the medical marijuana amendment, she never would have gotten elected. So everybody can basically blame him

    1. avatar Chip Bennett says:

      I blame the idiots who cut off their nose to spite their face, thinking that medical marijuana is more important than gun rights.

      1. avatar Blue says:

        Isn’t that the truth! Weed is still a violation on the form 4473 which is essentially perjury.

  49. avatar Joe Dirt says:

    Maybe when Americans start removing these morons from office…….

  50. avatar Priscilla Gray says:

    @nikkifried’s state agency, Agriculture & Consumer Services @FDACS is demanding that a citizen prove his innocence so that he can exercise a constitutional right.

    https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2019/03/luis-valdes/it-begins-nikki-fried-turning-floridas-concealed-weapon-permit-system-into-a-bureaucratic-nightmare/?fbclid=IwAR3EGMK6NIsdS-girU6QfuL5D4cm9OUuK8NOXOOZejvPtvZPAiUTXemHTG4's

    is what I posted, @PGrayUSA.

  51. avatar Kevin says:

    My gut tells me that Florida is lost to the loons of the left. between the invasion of transplanted liberal big city northerners and the many Puerto Ricans that came here after Irma and Marie have tipped the scales and I only see it getting worse. Only 4 years ago Fried would have been trounced in any election with her far left agenda. I was actually Stunned that Gilliam did not win big.

    Just like the waterways, the northern liberals came down and out bid the locals in trying to preserve the real Florida and then let their northern buddies build and kill the waterways with pretty green lawns (because thats what grass looked like back home) that leached fertilizers and pesticides into the water and reduced the inflow enough to keep them from purging themselves of them. Now as usual we are left footing the bill for their money makers.

    Florida is becoming “NYC South”” or “Chicago South”. Floridians that would like to stop this crap need to mobilize and make sure enough people vote in candidates that will be for Florida and not for lining their buddies pockets. Not only that there needs to be decent candidates too, otherwise you end up with Rick Scott.

  52. avatar jram01 says:

    GS 6506-03/05/2019
    Southern Cross-03/05/2019

    Howdy do boys, et al;

    As indicated in my previous post of 03/05/2019, I applied for and mailed my application for a FL-Non-Residential CCL on 01/09/2019 ,(by-the- way my second Non-Residential CCL). A few days after mailing my data, I received an e-mail from FDACS stating that my application was received and that it would take approximately 90 business days upon receipt to review my application and data; however, no receipt date was given. Giving approximately 7 days for delivery, let’s say my application arrived around the 16th of January.

    Further, let’s say from 16th of January to 21st, of May is about 90 business days, the approximate time it would take FDACS to review my application and data supplied. Give or take a few more days.

    Well boys, here it is 03/18/2019 and I’m actually looking at my new FL-Non-Residential CCL. (All though, I can’t say too much about my photo. My wife says it looks like an actual PD Mug Shot). Between my Local State FOID, Local State CCL and my current Out-of-State Non-Residential CCL card, averaged 43.3 business days waiting time after mailing my application requests. Anyway, my FL-CCL took about 52 business days, from start to finish, 38 days less than the time normally alloted by the FDACS.

    How about that!!!!
    What’s everyone bitching about.:)

    Have a great day guys.

    1. avatar jram01 says:

      “alloted”, oops, need two “t’s”.

    2. avatar AC says:

      Well let me try to tell you what all the bitching is about, or at least what it should be about. Sure you can “apply” for, and even receive a CCL after paying your fee. However, you are requesting the government’s permission to exercise a constitutionally protected God given Right and thereby converting your Right into a government granted privilege… and remember, what the governments gives it can always take away. The word “License” is defined in Black’s Law dictionary as, “permission to act or to do something that would otherwise be prohibited or illegal”. Everything that requires a “license” has been deemed to be illegal by government. But Rights are deemed to be God given and sacrosanct, and in addition, constitutionally protected. And so if you have to ask for permission and also have to pay a license fee or a tax then it is no longer a Right.

      Although government asserts its authority to regulate firearms using the so called “Supremacy Clause” and the “Commerce Clause” in the Constitution, these are both being misinterpreted and grossly misapplied. For example, Article VI, Sec 2 makes the Constitution and the laws of the United States the supreme law of the land… but only when they are made in “Pursuance thereof” with respect to the Constitution!

      Without making this too long, it is also very important to remember that the Constitution is a compact… in legal terms, an agreement, treaty or contract. And as such, an amendment to any such document permanently alters and changes the provisions of the original document as the new conditions and provisions of the amendment “Supersede” the original document. And the Founding Fathers wrote the 2nd Amendment using the very strong language and commandment words (just like God uses in the Bible) when they penned, “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” Both the words used of “shall not” and “infringed” together with the fact that being an amendment these provisions contained within the 2nd Amendment override and supersede the original document. And so in following the “Rule of Law” the only way to get around this defining provision of individual gun Rights is to pass another amendment that would directly address and change the provisions of the 2nd Amendment. However, this has never been done and so “The Right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” remains as the supreme law of the land.
      Understand that with the passage of the 18th Amendment Prohibition became the Law of the Land and no act of Congress or Presidential Executive Order could undo the mistake that was Prohibition. The era of Prohibition was only able to finally come to an end with the passage of the 21st Amendment. And so absent a constitutional amendment that directly addresses the provisions of the 2nd Amendment, individual gun Rights in America can NOT be infringed upon… at least not lawfully.

      When we defend gun Rights in America we are always tricked into arguing the wrong points of the law and this I believe is how we have wound up with a very much watered down version of the Second Amendment. Maybe what we should be arguing is whether or not the government even has the lawful authority to regulate the firearms industry.

      1. avatar Blue says:

        Well it shouldn’t take 90 days. In fact, those ate rates from 20 years ago.

  53. avatar John Felix says:

    32 years in the military, retired now and moved to FL, 2 years ago. Applied for CCL in early October…still nothing.

    1. avatar Jim Wildrick Jr says:

      Sent for my non resident permit in beginning of March this year.Now I am wondering if I will get the shuffle like you are getting.Every time I go online to find out the status the answer is it is in progress and that they have up to ninety days to compete the application.I would not be surprised they find something to reject my application even though I have a ccw in Pennsylvania and no criminal convictions.I will await the outcome.If I suspect I am rejected for some nefarious reason I will write a letter to Governor DeSantis and get his imput on this.

    2. avatar Blue says:

      That is clearly too long given the 90 day window so you should be following up on it. Write letters all the way up the chain and if necessary, contact the Florida AG’s office along with the Gov.

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