Texas Retailer RW Arms to Surrender 60,000 Bump Stocks to ATF Tomorrow

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Dan Z for TTAG

While some limited stays of the ATF’s bump stock ban have been issued by two Circuit Courts, as of tomorrow, bump stock possession becomes illegal. Hence this press release from RW Arms in Ft. Worth, Texas . . .

Leading Retailer of Bump Stocks to Turn in Entire Inventory to ATF

Fort Worth based retailer, RW Arms, will turn in their entire inventory of bump stocks to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) on Tuesday, March 26th, to be destroyed, in compliance with the Bump Stock Ban. RW Arms will transfer 60,000 bump stocks to American Shredder in Fort Worth, Texas, to be shredded and recycled under the supervision of ATF agents.

RW Arms is a veteran-owned and operated wholesaler, distributer and retailer who is fully complying with the Bump Stock Ban, which takes effect on Tuesday, March 26th, and was enacted by the Trump Administration to reclassify bump stock devices as machine guns, and therefore subject to regulation as part of the Gun Control Act of 1968. The transfer or possession of bump stocks will become prohibited under this new amendment to the law, subject to penalty of up to 10 years in federal prison and $250,000 in fines for each violation.

RW Arms will continue offering industry leading firearms accessories and components, including high capacity magazines, performance triggers, scopes and parts for semi-automatic rifles.

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  1. avatar Jim Bob says:

    …or they will file for bankruptcy.

    1. avatar Anonymous says:

      SC should block. They probably won’t because of political correctness. The words of the law matter and a bump stock does not fit the definition of a machine gun, which is precisely why the ATF couldn’t ban it prior – even with less gun friendly administrations. A machine gun is:

      26 U.S.C. § 5845(b) For the purposes of the National Firearms Act the term Machinegun means: Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. ​ The frame or receiver of any such weapon.

      A “bump stock” does not operate by a “single function of the trigger”. You have to push with your left hand while keeping your right hand and trigger finger perfectly aligned/placed. It is not a machine gun.

      The ATF and Trump’s magic pen do not “make” law. That is congress’ job. Hopefully, wiser minds will prevail from the courts.

  2. avatar tmm says:

    Is Benchmade available to help?

  3. avatar WhiteDevil says:

    It’s time to take a stand. Armed Americans need to prevent the ATF from engaging in legalized theft. The same thing that happened at the Bundy ranch.

    1. avatar D Y says:

      It can and has worked, and is exactly the type of occurrence that needs to happen. Its been announced, there may be media there, and it would force an (another?) armed federal agency to back down, or shoot their way in.

      The way court cases have been going *maybe* we aren’t to this point yet, but I’m sure gun owners in the UK said something similar every time the previous guy had his preferred weapon/accessory taken from him.

    2. avatar Danny Smith says:

      It should but no one has the balls to stand up to these TYRANTS.

    3. avatar Ralph Smith says:

      Why aren’t any of you bitching about the fact that your Republican Party is responsible for this?

      1. avatar Dennis Sumner says:

        Get the shit outta your ears! Unlike you, we place blame where it belongs.

  4. avatar spanky says:

    if you buy a bump stock from rw. did rw give ATF the names and addresses????

    1. avatar Robert Hanlin says:

      It was simply a retail item like buying any other accessory… ATF will never know who bought what!

  5. avatar GunnyGene says:

    Reckon I’ll need to learn how to bump fire my Henry. 😉

  6. avatar Salty Bear says:

    But without government, who would send armed goons to threaten to kill people if they don’t surrender their companies’ products, leaving them bankrupt and destroying their jobs?

    1. avatar Nigel the expat says:

      Not to mention the hordes of neighborhood pets that would overwhelm civilization if it were not for our loving LEOs shooting them in order to ‘protect’ themselves…

  7. avatar Rich Ludwig says:

    They will have to go after rubber bands next. Easiest full auto trick ever.

    1. avatar JamesDThePharmD says:

      Plot twist: RW Arms sends pallets full of rubber bands in place of the bump stocks to troll the ATF.

  8. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

    I trust the federal government is paying RWA full retail for these stocks…

    1. avatar GunnyGene says:

      That’s about $12 million worth of inventory. Not a dime from ATF. And I’d bet the IRS won’t allow them a tax write off either.

      1. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

        Oh good, I was a bit leery that my sarcasm might have been a bit too subtle there. Hope they sue and make it worth their while, even though it’s us taxpayers that will end up paying for it.

      2. avatar Chris T in KY says:

        I wonder if the business press will even ask these questions? CNBC, Fox Business, Bloomberg News, etc, etc.
        A legal American business was just forced to turn over their entire inventory to the government. No compensation given for confiscated private property.

        1. avatar Dennis Sumner says:

          Wonder if they fired or killed the ATF puke who signed off on the stocks originally. Guess they weren’t ” evil” then.

        2. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

          Not to mention that the formerly legal product was not banned by and act of Congress and signed by the President but enacted by an unelected, unaccountable bureaucrat. This could be a bad precedent for future (Democrat/communist) presidents.

          Although the Gibson guitar company might have some insight on this sort of thing.

        3. avatar strych9 says:

          “Although the Gibson guitar company might have some insight on this sort of thing.”

          That’s an interesting thought.

        4. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

          strych, different department (Fish & Wildlife vs ATF) and different administration (O’Bama vs Trump) but the only other real difference is the Fish & Wildlife went into Gibson’s factories in full SWAT mode, guns drawn and all. And they did it twice. In the end, Gibson paid $1.5 million-ish and lost probably 3 times that in lost inventory for the privilege of it’s CEO donating to Republicans. And people think Caracas is corrupt…

        5. avatar Chris T in KY says:

          Gov. William J Le Petomane
          I’m 40 miles from Nashville Tn and have been to the Gibson factory. The SWAT raid was BIG news here for weeks. Gibson property was stolen like RW. By the government.

        6. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

          Even more insane, the pretext was that they were using wood products that were illegal to export from India under Indian law – not American law. Gibson produced proof that the products weren’t illegal to export under Indian law, but apparently the cost of fighting it was more than the cost of capitulation.

    2. avatar Chadwick says:

      Well either way it would be a kick in the pants. Use tax money to pay for violations of 2A or just steal private property to violate 2A… No good options there.

  9. avatar Dennis Sumner says:

    Tis a sad day in America! Anyone care to guess what’s next?

  10. avatar Michael says:

    It’s already here. -30-

  11. avatar Michael Christensen says:

    Should ship them to a company in Missouri. They have a bill that does away with all federal laws concerning firearms and firearm components.

    1. avatar GunnyGene says:

      So do several other States, including MS. But nobody has put it to the test yet.

  12. avatar Michael Christensen says:

    Should have had a $1 sale on them all plus shipping. $60,000 profit is better than $9,000,000 total loss.

    1. avatar John in Ohio says:

      That is a really good idea.

    2. avatar Dan in Detroit says:

      unfortunately, they went the opposite way and jacked the prices up a bit over what they were worth.
      I’m angry about the ban, but i’m not mad about THEM losing money.
      (assuming this is the same pt

  13. avatar D Dunbar says:

    This is disgusting and is the single most unconstitutional and ugly thing the trump admin has done. I’ve been wholly impressed with what Trump has accomplished but this was really some knee jerk bullshit.

  14. avatar barnbwt says:

    I sure hope they’d joined [FPC] LOL…

  15. avatar Chris T in KY says:

    Who needs an accurate and cheap alternative, $175, instead of a real machine gun for $8000???
    The regular law abiding citizen.
    In the future the government can say you can only have a Hi Point. No glock, no Sig, no CZ, etc, etc. Or perhaps only a Heritage revolver for you?

    Historically the American people always had better weapons than the government.

    1. avatar strych9 says:

      You can get a real MG for $8000? Damn. Last I looked just a FA trigger pack for an MP5 was running at almost $20,000.

      1. avatar Geoff PR says:

        A junker like a transferable STEN could be had for about 6,000, last I checked.

        But yeah, an MP5 or AUG drop-in trigger pack is the way to go…

      2. avatar Robert Hanlin says:

        Last I checked, I could purchase one of two MP5’s for 5k each at one of my local SOT’s…

        1. avatar strych9 says:

          Full auto MP5’s for $5000 a piece? I’ll take both. Where are these for sale?

        2. avatar Robert Hanlin says:

          Macon, Ga. Last I checked was two years ago. But the shop has their SOT so It’s safe to assume there are more offerings like that at reasonable prices.

      3. avatar Chris T in KY says:

        FosTech triggers are NOT being banned. They cost $800 depending on where you go. But a $175 bump Stock is being banned.
        This is economic discrimination. Just like when the state of tennessee passed a law saying you could only buy the Navy revolver in the state. This expensive handgun was out of the reach of free blacks and newly freed slaves. It was and still is racist gun control in the 21st century.

        1. avatar Robert Hanlin says:

          $800.00….? DUDE, where do you shop? You can find them all day long on sale for $300 to $400 on-line! Sometimes even below the $300 mark!

        2. avatar Chris T in KY says:

          Robert Hanlin
          Thanks for the tip! I will look for a cheap one.

    2. avatar Anymouse says:

      There isn’t a comparison to a real machine gun, and if you can find a transferable M16 or converted AR15 for $8k, let me know. They usually go for $15-30K, depending on manufacturer, model, and condition.

      1. avatar Chris T in KY says:

        There was a SWEDISH “K” M45 MACHINE GUN for $8000 in my local gun store four years ago. I was surprised just how low the price was as well. Perhaps it was a once in a life time find. But not for me. (smile)

  16. avatar former water walker says:

    Thanks NRA. Thanks Donnie! I feel safe from them thar ersatz mash-een gunz😄😊😏😋

  17. avatar Aaron Walker says:

    ….5th Amendment violation…Takings clause…

    Proposed 25 September 1789
    Ratified 15 December 1791

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

    Bill of Rights
    Trials and Takings

    1. avatar possum says:

      That amendment does not apply in this case. Our president said they are Illegal and He is above the Constitution

      1. avatar John in Ohio says:

        Yup. Apparently, several amendments don’t apply.

        If people were going to turn them in, and I hope they do not comply, it would’ve been nice to see them all go to the White House fence and chuck them over onto the lawn while screaming the most awful profanities at the tyrants.

    2. avatar guest says:

      Doesn’t apply. They’re not being taken for public use.

      1. avatar Robert Hanlin says:

        Not true… The end result is recycled to make something for public use… Can be argued! RW Arms really had no choice but to do what they did since they were already known to be a major retailer of bump stocks! The kind of financial loss they suffered will not just go away. I’m sure they’re already working up a lawsuit.

      2. avatar Serpent_Vision says:

        “deprived of … property, without due process of law” – Diktat by an unelected bureaucrat responsive to orders from the president is not due process.

  18. avatar Gunman says:

    I can “bump fire” any of my AR’s by simply holding it differently; it’s quite easy. Also,
    I can fire 5 to 6 rounds a second with just a polished mil spec trigger and pulling it
    fast, so who the hell needed the overprice novelty stocks in the first place ?

    AND if I ever needed or wanted a “full auto” AR, it takes about 10 minutes and a file.

    1. avatar No one of consequence says:

      All of which is beside the point.

    2. avatar Brasstard says:

      Any gun that can bumpfire is banned by the bump stock ban. They just havent anounced it yet. Go back and read the law change again and pay attention where it talks about what automaticly is

  19. avatar strych9 says:

    Will the court find in RW’s favor is my question. They quite obviously have standing after tomorrow.

    Sucks that they have to lose that much inventory just to have standing but at that point there is zero argument that they have not been damaged. I would hope they file a multi-pronged lawsuit tomorrow morning.

  20. avatar doesky2 says:

    I don’t understand why they didn’t blow these out at $20 + shipping?
    I don’t get it.
    Or are they just stupid?
    This reflects horrible on them.

    1. avatar John in Ohio says:

      Hear, hear. I agree.

    2. avatar William Garrett says:

      They can probably manufacture them at a unit cost of $20. In a federal lawsuit they will likely win 3x retail value of the parts. They were probably running every line up to the last minute to fill those trucks as full as possible.

      1. avatar Cam says:

        They didn’t make them, they just bought all of slidefires old inventory when they closed and liquidated.

  21. avatar Bill&Ted (most excellent) says:

    Well, this sucks.

    So if a guy I know, owns a bumpstock, it’s now illegal? (again, I’m asking for a friend).

    1. avatar Geoff PR says:

      Yup!

      Better hope your friend gets along well with everyone he-she knows.

      Because one phone call get get them 10 years hard time…

      1. avatar George from Alaska says:

        Not if he a Firearms Policy Foundation member. The DC Circuit court last Thursday issued a stay to the two named plaintiffs in the lawsuit. On Saturday or Sunday the same court reaffirmed that stay for the two named plaintiffs and added the Firearms Policy Foundation and Firearms Policy Foundation members to the stay. People keeping up with the news became members of the Foundation before the effective date of the ban and can temporarily keep their bump-stocks until the whole stinking mess is decided in a higher court.

  22. avatar possum says:

    We are going to need a bigger lake

  23. avatar OBOB says:

    Humm take a 15 or 20 million$$ tax deduction and sue later is the plan I’d guess

    1. avatar Charlie Foxtrot says:

      I don’t think so. It says they are turning them in for destruction. That would require ATF E-Form 3400, Consent to Forfeiture or Destruction of Property and Waiver of Notice. They have no legal rights to that property once it is forfeited. The form clearly states:

      “7. Consent to Forfeiture or Destruction of Property and Waiver of Notice

      I, the undersigned, hereby voluntarily surrender and relinquish all rights, title, and interest in, and all claims to the above-described property in order that said property may be disposed of by the U.S. Department of Justice, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) in accordance with law. I understand that the above-described property may be subject to administrative or judicial forfeiture under State or Federal law, or may otherwise be disposed of in accordance with law, including destruction as abandoned property or contraband material. I hereby expressly consent to such action by ATF without further notice.”

      See https://gunowners.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Consent-to-Forfeiture-of-Destruction-of-Property-and-Waiver-of-Notice.pdf

      1. avatar John in Ohio says:

        They have you sign a little piece of paper while they completely disregard the supreme writing of the land. SMH

      2. avatar Robert Hanlin says:

        Bump Stocks are (or were) NOT controlled items! Think of them as you would a piece of paper you run through a shredder! Same thing!

        1. avatar Charlie Foxtrot says:

          Rise and shine, it’s confiscation day. Bump stocks are unregistered, post-ban machine guns as of today.

      3. avatar Reason says:

        They could refuse to sign. What could ATF do? Arrest for failing to sign over the property the GOVT is stealing? Probably have a paper from their lawyer for ATF to sign for receipt of the stocks though. Be a good idea to video the transaction too.

        1. avatar Charlie Foxtrot says:

          I think you misunderstood my post. It is RW Arms intent to surrender for destruction, hence my reference to the corresponding form and the language about forfeiture. If their intent is to simply hand them over to the ATF for safe keeping until legal issues are resolved, there is an entirely different process and form for that: https://gunowners.org/images/pdf/Receipt-for-Property-and-Other-Items.pdf

  24. avatar John Marshall says:

    Maybe a stupid question, but could an FFL/SOT who is allowed to manufacture machine guns and sell them to LEO etc not hold those bump stocks until a final decision is taken? With 60’000 bump-stocks this might might have been cheaper then destroying them right away?

  25. avatar Ragnarredbeard says:

    What kind of morons are in charge at RW Arms? 60,000 unsold bumpstocks? Why weren’t they selling and shipping them right up to the deadline?

    1. avatar GunnyGene says:

      They were, but nobody was buying. If you go to their site now they are all “Out of stock”.

  26. avatar Barnbwt says:

    If you’re gonna destroy your bump stock…do it with rifle fire. Practice makes perfect.

  27. avatar JS says:

    What a bunch of GD cowards. We have individuals going to court and getting stays and these people roll over and give up. Its this level of rolling over that shows others just how ineffective we are. You are telling me there isnt a conservative judge in Fort Worth who would have judged the merits? I support vetean owned companies but this was just giving up.

  28. avatar barnbwt says:

    Just imagine, if instead of sacrificing bump stocks without any sort of compromise or even compensation, the NRA had instead partnered with Slidefire to sell a special NRA-edition bump stock while Trump tried to ram his regulation through? I wonder where we’d be today, and how many more dues-paying members and sold bump-stocks the NRA would have now…That’s the difference between an org that will fight and one that will not.

  29. avatar GW says:

    At least i hope they have the sense to get a receipt and not sign their rights away from reimbursements and they only surrender under extreme duress and injustice!

  30. avatar enuf says:

    *** The Fifth Amendment ***
    “No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”

    So this is a $12,000,000 taking of previously legal private property on a sudden and arbitrary regulatory gymnastic flip-flop. I see no Due Process of Law and no Just Compensation. It certainly is not voluntary destruction when the owners of the company could face massive fines and long prison sentences for refusing to comply.

    Seems to me it is worth a lawsuit on at least two clauses of the Fifth Amendment.

    I’ll say this, when the lawsuits are settled and we win, I’m buying one each of both brands of bumpity-slide-about accuracy ruining gun over heating silly ass gimmicky stock widgets. Which I imagine I’ll play with once and then put them on the shelf for a rainy day.

    Um, that’s if re-legalizing the fool things cause a price crash to something reasonable. I’m not rich after all!

    1. avatar Reason says:

      Sounds like a plan to me!!

    2. avatar Binder says:

      All they are going to get is what they payed for them from Slidefire. Best guess, about 2 million (or they may have been cute and slide fire may have “sold” them for $1). And no one is going to bat an eyelash at it.

  31. avatar Joel IV says:

    I am saddened that I found out about this TODAY and not weeks ago so that I could have taken the day off and go to Fort Worth to stand in solidarity.

    How many of us would have gone to “help” had the company said, “No.” But they didn’t, so we didn’t.

    The line was once again crossed and not one of us cared enough to say, “Not this time.”

    We’ll get ’em next time, huh guys?

  32. avatar American Patriot says:

    If only we had a penality for illegal aliens…..Oh yeah we do, I forgot the American taxpayer gets to support them….silly me!

  33. avatar KGMAIDEN says:

    Will continue providing………… For now.

  34. avatar Joe says:

    Just out of curiosity, I did an “RW Arms” search, and sure enough, this company is on Facebook. The company posted a statement with a link regarding their remaining bump stocks “being crushed”. There are many strong sentiments being posted in response. It makes me wonder if RW Arms will go the way of Dick’s?

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