Three Bills Submitted in Hawaii to Ban Semi-Automatic Firearms

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The civilian disarmament advocating authoritarians of the Aloha State, not wanting to be outdone by their gun-grabbing brethren in places like New York, Illinois, California, Oregon, and Washington State, have submitted three new bills that, when combined, would make ownership and possession of semi-automatic firearms and any magazine over 10 rounds a felony.

The first is HB1531. It would outlaw the usual list of specifically-named semi-automatic firearms and then it makes verboten guns with any two of the following.

(2)  A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon, as defined in paragraph (1) of this definition, or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon, as defined in paragraph (1) of this definition, may be rapidly assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person;
(3)  Any semiautomatic firearm not listed in paragraph (1) of this definition that meets the following criteria:

(A) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:
(i)  A folding or telescoping stock;
(ii)  A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
(iii)  A bayonet mount;
(iv)  A flash or sound suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash or sound suppressor; and
(v)  A grenade launcher; or

(B)  A semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:
(i)  An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
(ii)  A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash or sound suppressor, or forward handgrip;
(iii)  A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;
(iv)  A manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded;
(v)  A centerfire pistol with an overall length of twelve inches or more; and
(vi)  A semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm.

(C)  A semiautomatic shotgun that has at least two of the following:
(i)  A folding or telescoping stock;
(ii)  A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
(iii)  A fixed magazine capacity in excess of five rounds; and
(iv)  An ability to accept a detachable magazine; or
(4)  A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon, as defined in paragraph (3) of this definition, or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon, as defined in paragraph (3) of this definition, may be rapidly assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.

HB1531 would also make it illegal to own parts that could be used to build a scary firearm.

The next two bills are companion pieces. HB1303 & SB 1334 would ban firearms with only one matching characteristic.

“Assault rifle” means a semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following characteristics:
A centerfire rifle with an overall length less than thirty inches;
A folding or telescoping stock;
A thumbhole stock;
A second handgrip or protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand;
A flash suppressor;
A shroud that is attached to or partially or completely encircles the barrel and permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the second hand without being burned;
A bayonet mount;
A grenade launcher;
A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward hand grip, or silencer; or
A pistol grip, excluding pistol grips for pistols not otherwise prohibited under this section.

“Assault shotgun” means a semiautomatic shotgun that has one or more of the following characteristics:
Accepts a detachable magazine; or
Has a revolving cylinder.”

“Assault pistol” means a semiautomatic pistol that accepts a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following characteristics:
An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward hand grip, or silencer;
A shroud that is attached to or partially or completely encircles the barrel and permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the second hand without being burned;
A manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded;
A centerfire pistol with an overall length of twelve inches or more; or It is a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm;

The manufacture, possession, sale, barter, trade, gift, transfer, or acquisition of detachable ammunition magazines with a capacity in excess of ten rounds which are designed for or capable of use with any firearm is  prohibited.

These two bills would make possession of a magazine with capacity of over 10 rounds illegal and pretty much go after a huge number existing semi-auto firearms. So much for Hawaii being a paradise.

comments

  1. avatar TommyG says:

    Hey Hawaii – welcome to NY

    1. avatar napresto says:

      Yeah, this is all too familiar…

    2. avatar Derringer Dave says:

      Hey, Hawaii, welcome to New Jersey! These sound exactly like New Jersey’s laws, almost word for word.

      But even the Fudds should be worried, the most troubling thing is that this bill goes even farther than New Jersey by banning parts that can also be used on bolt-action hunting rifles and single-shot hunting rifles, such as adjustable (“telescoping”) stocks , pistol grips. This would make it a felony to posses the parts (stocks and pistol grips) to improve your bolt-action Remington 700 by turning it into a chassis rifle!
      Maybe this time, the Fudds will join with gun-rights supporters to oppose the law.
      Here’s the part of these bills that will turn many bolt-action rifle owners (Fudds) into felons, the ban on:

      “(4) A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon, as defined in paragraph (3) of this definition, or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon, as defined in paragraph (3) of this definition, may be rapidly assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.”

  2. avatar DesertDave says:

    Guess where I’ll NOT be going on vacation!

    1. avatar Ranger Rick says:

      I gave up on visiting Hawaii 20 years ago. Too much traffic and vagrants.

      1. avatar ollie says:

        And most of the natives, despite their “smiles”, strongly dislike all Haolies. The US should sell all it’s Pacific territories and Hawaii to the Chinese, they’re useless to us.

        1. avatar Southern Cross says:

          Perhaps China will make a territorial claim on Hawaii as the “East Spratly Islands”.

        2. avatar Nanashi says:

          Guam is pretty reasonable from what I understand. Peurto Rico however, needs to be turned into a giant chocolate plantation. It’s the only reasonably sized landmass in the US in the right band to grow the vitae. It’s not like they have much else of an economy or point beyond territorial waters.

  3. avatar CB says:

    “A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward hand grip, or silencer”

    So much stupid…….so when can I get a threaded barrel for my G17 that accepts a forward grip?!?!
    A pistol with MFG weight of 50oz or less? There goes the deagle, Hipoint pistols, and ruger sp101s.
    One may think they know nothing of firearms, but they are clearly showing a vast knowledge of accessories and their uses……/Sarc

    1. avatar napresto says:

      My favorite is, “a semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm.” This is like banning light bulbs because kerosene lanterns also give off light, and fire is dangerous.

      1. avatar Geoff "Bring the EDIT button back, will ya, TTAG?" PR says:

        “My favorite is, “a semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm.” ”

        That bans pretty much all Glocks, doesn’t it? (G-18 select-fire)…

      2. avatar Geoff "Bring the EDIT button back, will ya, TTAG?" PR says:

        …and Ruger Ranch rifles…

    2. avatar anonymoose says:

      Jokes and memeguns like the deagle aside, the 7.5″ Blackhawk and 6.5″ Model 29 just barely come in under that arbitrary 50oz limit, which since the original AWBs was always aimed at the SP89, AR pistols like the OA-93, and AK pistols. The 10″ Super Blackhawk and 7.5″ Redhawks and Super Redhawks are over that BS limit, and I think there’s a weighted competition-oriented 686 that probably comes in over the limit too. I’m not even sure if handgun hunting is legal in Hawaii, or what people hunt there.

      1. avatar Geoff "Bring the EDIT button back, will ya, TTAG?" PR says:

        Revolvers don’t have detachable magazines.

        I think Mega-BOOM revolvers are safe…

        1. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

          “A manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded“

          Pretty much eliminates the S&W 500 and a few others.

          Note the weight isn’t an “and”, it’s a separate paragraph.

        2. avatar Glockwork says:

          “Assault pistol” means a semiautomatic pistol that accepts a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following characteristics:”

          doesn’t mention revolvers at all. only semi auto.

        3. avatar StLPro2A says:

          Ruger single-six and -ten, as well as other revolvers….. have “magazines”….we call them cylinders……that are easily removable. Count on the anti-gun group implementing that interpretation..

        4. avatar Geoff "Bring the EDIT button back, will ya, TTAG?" PR says:

          ““Assault pistol” means a semiautomatic pistol that accepts a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following characteristics:

          A manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded;”

          Revolvers, no detachable magazine.

          Or am I reading that wrong, Tom?

        5. avatar Hannibal says:

          It doesn’t have anything to do with revolvers.

          Yet.

      2. avatar GS650G says:

        So my super redhawk is about to be banned in Hawaii. If you think wheel guns are safe think again.

      3. avatar Defens says:

        The 50 oz max limit is thrown in there to ban AR-15 based pistols.

      4. avatar possum says:

        .a revolver is not a pitoL

        1. avatar possum says:

          .a pitol is kinda like a pistol with out the proofreaD

      5. avatar Nanashi says:

        There’s actually plenty of feral pigs (unlike the mainland, these are actual farm pigs that escaped and their decedents, not a horrific crossbreed of them and native boar) and feral cattle that need culling in Hawaii apparently.

        1. avatar possum says:

          .a good pack of hounds could take care of that , it’s not like they got anywhere to go to escapE

    3. avatar SoCalJack says:

      The no threaded barrel is what make this bill(s) worse that what we currently have in CA. We can have a muzzle brake but no flash suppressor in CA. The provisions for shotguns is also worse that what we have. Hopefully these bills do not pass.

      1. avatar Kevin (the other one) says:

        We can’t have a threaded barrel on a pistol here in CA……

        I think they would need micro-stamping and ammo purchase limitations in order to compete with California….Those two are by far the worst ones to me.

        1. avatar CHS says:

          Threaded barrels are only illegal on semi-automatic pistols in CA.

          Handguns in general in CA can have threaded barrels.

      2. avatar Mark N. says:

        Not only that, it essentially bans suppressors, without directly banning suppressors, because threaded barrels are a distinct no-no. Although it is possible, the vast majority of suppressors required a threaded barrel.

    4. avatar strych9 says:

      “One may think they know nothing of firearms, but they are clearly showing a vast knowledge of accessories and their uses……/Sarc”

      If you think these kind of things are written out of ignorance of reality then you don’t understand the rules of the game that is being played. They sound dumb and they are dumb but there’s a purpose behind them that isn’t dumb, it’s nefarious.

      Assuming this kind of thing comes from ignorant people who are showcasing their ignorance is a serious mistake. You’re looking at a pretty well thought out plan, you’re just only seeing Step 1.

      1. avatar Geoff "Bring the EDIT button back, will ya, TTAG?" PR says:

        “Assuming this kind of thing comes from ignorant people who are showcasing their ignorance is a serious mistake. You’re looking at a pretty well thought out plan, you’re just only seeing Step 1.”

        Yep, this just drives home why a ‘strict scrutiny’ ruling is needed in the NY Pistol case in front of SCOTUS currently…

    5. avatar Carlwinslo says:

      Nj has the stupid weight requirement

    6. avatar Kyle says:

      The 50oz or more thing (you have it incorrectly at less) is to ban AR pistols.

    7. avatar Derringer Dave says:

      Ruger SP-101s will still be legal, because they’re revolvers, not semiautos,
      but the Ruger 10/22 Charger will be banned in Hawaii (just as it is in New Jersey and NY) because it has almost every one of Hawaii’s banned features (which are the same as the banned features in NJ and NY)!
      The 10/22 Charger (a rimfire target pistol, for Pete’s Sake!) has:

      (i) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
      [Yep, that evil 10-round magazine used by every 10/22 in existence! Nobody can explain what makes it evil to put the magazine outside of the pistol grip, but my theory is that some politician watched a James Bond movie where the villain was using an 1896 Mauser pistol]

      (ii) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash or sound suppressor, or forward handgrip;
      [Ruger made the threaded barrel standard when they reintroduced the 10/22 Charger a few years ago]

      (iii) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;
      [The forestock of the 10/22 Charger meets this definition of a “shroud”, even the wood models]

      (iv) A manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded;
      [The 10/22 Charger is EXACTLY 50 ounces, almost as if Ruger INTENDED to make it illegal in NY, NJ, Hawaii, and other AWB states!]

      And if that weren’t enough reasons to ensure the 10/22 Charger gets banned in AWB states, the 10/22 Charger now comes with

      v) An “evil” A2-style pistol grip that can be used to convert an innocent hunting rifle into an “evil assault weapon” machine gun (somehow, but nobody has figured out exactly how adding a pistol grip has the same effect as adding a giggle-switch)

      vi) an “evil” 15-round magazine!

      When designing the new 10/22 Charger, some executive at Sturm Ruger must have decided, “Hey, let’s see if we can build a rimfire target pistol with as many ‘assault weapon’ features as possible, so it will get banned in every single state that has an ‘assault weapons ban’. That way, we can make as little profit as possible off this target pistol, and our shareholders can lose money on their Ruger stock!”

      Full disclosure: I’m a longtime Ruger stockholder, and their stock has been doing poorly lately, partly because of their bad decision to design the 10/22 Charger so it gets banned in so many states.

  4. avatar anonymoose says:

    Hawaiian gun culture is lower than Japanese gun culture.

  5. avatar Rick the Bear says:

    Make it apply to police as well and I’m on board.

    (Of course, the chances of that happening are slim and none and slim just left town.)

    Maroons.

  6. avatar TheUnspoken says:

    The fight for the States is in full effect, they will make as many laws as they can, and see if the Supreme court will really challenge them. The AWB is being implemented with extra ban powers, piece by piece with no sun set, in the name of public safety and common sense.

    1. avatar TexTed says:

      True — the more they do this, the more they force an inevitable Supreme Court intervention. And it’s starting to feel like we may get a “gay marriage”-style ruling, where in one sweeping move the Court invalidated all state laws preventing it.

    2. avatar Tom says:

      This just highlights the reason to get Trump elected again, almost assuring the appointment of another conservative SCOTUS justice. Giving the court a 6-3 majority ( well, 5.5-3.5 with Roberts) could almost put and end to this unconstitutional, commie bullshit) and over-turn a number of previous rulings in lower courts.

  7. avatar MGD says:

    Hawaii’s surrounded by lots of water. Plenty of boating accidents are about to happen.

    1. avatar LarryinTX says:

      Hopefully, it will be politicians going overboard.

    2. avatar Craig says:

      “Plenty of boating accidents are about to happen.”
      When it’s time to bury firearms then it’s time to use them in the manner intended by the 2nd A.

  8. avatar Geoff "Bring the EDIT button back, will ya, TTAG?" PR says:

    My prediction is coming true – There is now a mad push to ram as many gun laws through before the NY Pistol case is decided by SCOTUS, with the hopes some of these will stick after the decision goes down…

    1. avatar Carlwinslo says:

      I think NYC will change its law so the case is moot before the court takes it up.

      1. avatar Geoff "Bring the EDIT button back, will ya, TTAG?" PR says:

        No, that’s been covered already. SCOTUS has seen ‘games’ like that before. They will rule…

  9. Well, it NEEDS to become a “capital crime” for any politician/Goverment agency/agent/LEO, etc…To infringe on any Constitutional Right within the Bill of Rights…Such as this…With immediate expulsion for public office…Fines, Imprisonment, refunding of agency, etc….

    1. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

      Agreed.

  10. avatar Pg2 says:

    Hawaii sucks in many ways. Openly anti-white racist.

  11. avatar James P. says:

    You’d be surprised at the size of the 2A community here in Hawaii. There is a local grassroots effort to actively fight these bills and we are looking for all the help we can get. Mahalo for helping get the word out, TTAG! \m/

    1. avatar jwm says:

      And Trump is about to appoint some justices to the 9th. From CA good luck Hawaii.

    2. avatar Grant. says:

      How else are you guys gonna protect yourselves from Kill a Haole day?!

  12. avatar Truckman says:

    the United States Of America just keeps getting smaller because any state that goes against the constitution should be cut off from all gov services including money and voting for any office in DC president and congress

  13. avatar MLee says:

    There’s a lot of hopes for a favorable Supreme Court ruling. The ruling would involve the NY law banning the ability to remove a firearm from the city, even if the firearm is locked in a trunk of a car with ammunition separated from the firearm. However, there are major fears from other jurisdictions and those advocating ever suppressive gun control laws that such a favorable ruling for 2A rights would seriously curtail gun control efforts. There is so much anxiety that sort of ruling will actually happen that pressure is mounting on New York to abandon the law. If New York abandons that law, it would render the case slated to be heard this fall, moot. In other words, if New York changes the law, no case is heard by the Supreme Court. Should that be the case, gun rights advocates would have to wait for another case to be brought forward to the court that contains legal possibilities for an important landmark decision.

    If I was a betting man, which I’m not, I’d bet that New York’s knees buckle and they throw in the towel.
    Hang onto your hats kids!

    1. avatar binder says:

      That exactly why Lisa Madigan was so terrified to appeal the right to carry decision from the 7th.

      Everyone here should read the ruling sometime. Nice to see something that is not convoluted mess to try to restrict the rights of an individual.

      “Twenty-first century Illinois has no hostile Indians. But a Chicagoan is a good deal more likely to be
      attacked on a sidewalk in a rough neighborhood than in his apartment on the 35th floor of the Park Tower.”

      https://cases.justia.com/federal/appellate-courts/ca7/12-1269/12-1269-2012-12-11.pdf

    2. avatar Geoff "Bring the EDIT button back, will ya, TTAG?" PR says:

      “There is so much anxiety that sort of ruling will actually happen that pressure is mounting on New York to abandon the law. If New York abandons that law, it would render the case slated to be heard this fall, moot.”

      No, LKB has covered that scenario already. SCOTUS don’t play…

  14. avatar Mark N. says:

    Bye bye Ruger 10-22! It is semi-auto and had a “barrel shroud.” I do not understand the antipathy to “barrel shrouds.” If it is a rifle, where are you supposed to put your support hand if the rifle has a “shroud” and forward grips are also banned? If the “one feature test” passed, bye bye Garand! Bye Bye M1 Carbine!

    1. avatar binder says:

      Intratec DC-9. You know the open bolt pistol that all the gang bangers were converting into sub guns.

    2. avatar Geoff "Bring the EDIT button back, will ya, TTAG?" PR says:

      “Bye bye Ruger 10-22!”

      And every Glock!

      It bans *every* semi-auto version of a full-auto gun :

    3. avatar strych9 says:

      “If it is a rifle, where are you supposed to put your support hand if the rifle has a “shroud” and forward grips are also banned?”

      You touch it with a pin. Where does one grip the ungripable?

      You’re not supported to put your support hand anywhere because you’re not supposed to have the rifle. That’s the whole goddamn point.

  15. avatar Jim from LI says:

    Rifles have had hand guards since.. forever. So, a Garand isn’t covered because no detachable magazine. But an M1 Carbine can only have a lower stock because it’s part of the stock but if you keep the upper hand guard on it’s an assault rifle? What does “partially encircles” mean, the length or the diameter?

  16. avatar WhiteDevil says:

    Laws mean nothing if the law enforcement officers don’t enforce them. If they do, however, they are criminals and should be ostracized from any and all communities they are apart of.

  17. avatar Victoriaillinois says:

    This is the only law in the country that is anti ear protection. Stupid! Maybe we should ban ear protection for airport workers. They could hear the planes approaching better. Ban ear protection for heavy equipment workers. They could hear their co-workers yelling directions better. What happened to “If it saves one child…”? The suppressors don’t make the sound “silent” anyway. Just a back door way of chipping away at your rights.

  18. avatar barnbwt says:

    Take yer swing, Hawaii.

    It’s about time we got this in front of some judges; we can hash out once & for all whether we’re gonna have lawful semi-autos, or whether we can kick this civil war off.

    Because we sure as hell won’t be fighting a civil war with bolt action 22LRs.

  19. avatar former water walker says:

    Paradise has a price…how Japanese of them. Pearl Harbor II😩😢😡

  20. avatar Geoff "Bring the EDIT button back, will ya, TTAG?" PR says:

    I just hope Thomas, Kav, and Gorsuch see what’s going on out there…

  21. avatar Eli2016 says:

    This news is hardly a surprise at all. Those who understand the history of Hawaii and/or have lived in Hawaii for any length of time, saw this coming years ago.

    Hawaii is not a “state”, at least in the sense of what we think of as a “state”. It is a strategic military outpost of America. The military does what it wants to do there and leaves the rest of the island alone. White people are currently the majority BUT not a large majority. Most of the islands are made up of ethnic Asian groups from Japan, the Philippines, Vietnam, and a short list of others.

    Japan and other Asian Pacific corporations have invested heavily in the islands – especially in terms of business and finance. Prime real estate is in the hands of these corporations and property laws are geared toward their growth. It will cost you a small fortune to live comfortably in Hawaii. Apples are upwards of $3 per pound and a gallon of milk will usually run you about $10.

    The politics of Hawaii have a heavy Asian influence. Much of the state government is populated by local Japanese and other ethnic Asian groups. Japan exerts a tremendous amount of pressure on the social climate of Hawaii. Guns in particular have no place in a Japan influenced government. I am actually surprised that Hawaii has not banned guns altogether. It is after all a very safe place (except for the meth trade). Many from out side of the ocean would have you believe it is a utopia. As far as gun control goes, it very much is.

  22. avatar Grant. says:

    As if Hawaii wasn’t bad enough! I was thinking about taking my moving Tommy Bahama silk shirt show down to Hawai’i’i’i’i’i’i for some real Relaxology time. I don’t even think I wanna support their tourist economy after this crap.

  23. avatar MouseGun says:

    To me, Hawaii is just a commonwealth that got lucky because ,”49 states”, sounds weird.

    1. avatar tsbhoa.p.jr says:

      that made me think of pr51, which in turn triggered a memory of prl-8-53. whatever happened to that stuff?

  24. avatar Yarbles says:

    SCOTUS to hear new case to obviate many of these new ‘laws’.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/01/supreme-court-new-york-gun-case-heller.html

  25. avatar strych9 says:

    This kind of drive me nuts so I’m going to point it out.

    That weight restriction isn’t dumb or stupid. It’s calculated. To put this in boxing terms we’re sitting here dodging a bunch of jabs and laughing that the other guy can’t throw a decent jab while he’s winding up to crack us with a right cross that we’re not even thinking about.

    Why do they want to ban this particular weight level of gun? We laugh “Hurr durr durr big revolvers!!! They’re so stupid! That’s no assault weapon!”. Then we get into a technical argument about whether or not it even applies to revolvers. Meanwhile, they’re applying it to revolvers whether that is technically correct or not.

    That’s the point. They’re making a bunch of arguments to catch us in a pincher. Big heavy revolvers are “assault weapons”. That goes through. How stupid. Yeah, well big bullets are dangerous because bigger = more dangerous. The next argument is going to be for banning snubbies because they’re too concealable. Now the danger doesn’t come from the size of the individual bullet but the sneakiness with which a couple of them can be brought to the fight. How stupid. Wait, what? ALL revolvers are now illegal? FUCK! How did that happen?

    This is no different from the “these are too inaccurate but these over here are too accurate” argument they’re advancing. Why are they doing that? Because if they get both arguments to meet in the middle they’ve banned everything. Your bumpstock AR is banned for being too fast and too inaccurate while your bolt gun is banned for being too accurate and everything in between is banned too.

    1. avatar strych9 says:

      This is also going to end up applying to magazines. Mark my words.

      “Large capacity” is too dangerous to be legal. That goes through and we argue that it’s hobbles self-defense.

      Oh, so nine rounds isn’t enough to defend yourself but more is too dangerous to allow into the hands of potential criminals and crazies? Then it doesn’t matter if we ban “low capacity magazines” either because you can’t defend yourself with one. Bang, all detachable mags are banned.

    2. avatar Geoff "Bring the EDIT button back, will ya, TTAG?" PR says:

      “That’s the point. They’re making a bunch of arguments to catch us in a pincher.”

      Yep, and what a *perfect* reason for SCOTUS to apply ‘strict scrutiny’.

      Because pulling games like this demonstrates they are not out for ‘reasonable’ restrictions on *anything*.

      It’s about *control*.

      C’mon, SCOTUS. Hear our plea. Deliver us from this evil…

  26. avatar Saran Wrappe says:

    Just more DUMB.

  27. avatar JFrame says:

    I’m thinking the local government owns a bunch of those indoor ranges in Honolulu. I went a few years back and while walking the streets, people will hand you those flyers advertising a local gun range, where you can go shoot a Ruger .22 pistol (20 rounds) for $20. Just think how much they would make now that they would have the standard pistol fair be outlawed. I guess they are looking for larger margins from the duped foreign traveler visiting.

  28. avatar Random_Commenter says:

    Hawaii has multiple locations of Home Depot, Lowes, and vendors for lathes. I am sure you can get 3D printers and 80% lowers shipped there, too.

    Is there a LE carve-out?

  29. avatar Joey2chins says:

    You people are missing the whole point of all of this. If you notice all across the US the “silly” laws are felonies. What happens when you become a felon? You lose your gun rights! Yes sir can’t take you guns because of that darn pesky second amendment we can take them by making you a felon!

  30. avatar FB says:

    Its a declaration of war in my opinion.

  31. avatar Ed Schrade says:

    Why don’t we file class action lawsuits against these gun control politicians that do not keep their oaths and try to undermine the Bill of Rights and our Constitution.

  32. avatar Tim Toroian says:

    Article 1, section 9, clause 2, the no ex post facto law clause. Banning what you already have is ex post facto.

    1. avatar Broke_It says:

      Punishing you for having something before it was banned is what ex post facto protects. They can ban anything they can make stick. If you don’t comply then you will be found to be in violation of the new law.

    2. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      Tim,

      Our U.S. Constitution’s ex-post-facto declaration refers to declaring a past ACTIVITY that was legal to now be illegal. For example governments cannot declare that wearing an orange t-shirt 10 years ago is now illegal and prosecute you for wearing an orange t-shirt 10 years ago (which was legal at the time).

      The U.S. Constitution does not have any clear statement about declaring objects that previously were legal to now be contraband.

    3. avatar James says:

      Article 1, section 9, clause 2, the no ex post facto law clause. Banning what you already have is ex post facto.

      100% wrong. Literally nothing in any federal case, ever, supports your claim. Not only under US law can what you own be banned, if possession is made illegal, it can be confiscated, and you certainly can be prosecuted and can go to prison for possessing it after it was banned.

      Ex post facto refers to you being charged with a crime for possessing it during the time it was not banned. If a new non-grandfathered assault riffle ban is passed in 2021 (good chance this will occur) then what ex posto prohibition means is they can NOT say: “You owned one in 2015 so we are prosecuting you for that 2015 incident.” ,But they sure as heck can seize the rifle and prosecute you for possessing that same rifle in 2022.

      The 1990’s “assault rifle” ban was both grandfathered and sunsetted. But it did not have to be either grandfathered or sunsetted under US law, that was a political consideration to gain more votes to pass the law. Under US anything made contraband can be confiscated even if you owned it before the ban.

  33. avatar possum says:

    .a possum could get fat eating on hawaii’s night Crawlers

    1. avatar strych9 says:

      The night crawlers might get fat on the possum if the possum isn’t careful.

  34. avatar J says:

    Looks similar to the Illinois Senate Bill 107, that proposes to ban all semi auto rifles, semi auto magazines, and accessories. The DNC must be helping the states to propose similar language in their bills.

    https://www.nraila.org/articles/20190124/illinois-bill-introduced-to-ban-many-firearms-accessories

    http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/101/SB/PDF/10100SB0107lv.pdf

    Here are 4 other new proposed bills in Illinois, House Bills 888, 899, 892, and 174. HB892 is a parts ban for pistols. HB888 is the social media accounts search similar to the New York proposed bill. HB888 would make you a Class 4 felon if you do not hand over your social media accounts and passwords if you are a FOID card holder in Illinois.

    https://www.nraila.org/articles/20190125/illinois-social-media-search-bill-other-anti-gun-legislation-introduced-in-house

    http://ilga.gov/legislation/101/HB/PDF/10100HB0888lv.pdf

    http://ilga.gov/legislation/101/HB/PDF/10100HB0899lv.pdf

    http://ilga.gov/legislation/101/HB/PDF/10100HB0892lv.pdf

    http://ilga.gov/legislation/101/HB/PDF/10100HB0174lv.pdf

    1. avatar Bob Jones says:

      Time to close all our social media accounts and then open new sanitized ones with no mention of firearms.

      Democrats want to get rid of Free Speech, followed by getting rid of Secret Balloting. They want open balloting so that their thugs, er….poll watchers, can insure proper voting patterns. They have already tried to make all union voting open ballot.

  35. avatar J says:

    Looks similar to the Illinois Senate Bill 107, that proposes to ban all semi auto rifles, semi auto magazines, and accessories. The DNC must be helping the states to propose similar language in their bills.

    https://www.nraila.org/articles/20190124/illinois-bill-introduced-to-ban-many-firearms-accessories

    Here are 4 other new proposed bills in Illinois, House Bills 888, 899, 892, and 174. HB892 is a parts ban for pistols. HB888 is the social media accounts search similar to the New York proposed bill. HB888 would make you a Class 4 felon if you do not hand over your social media accounts and passwords if you are a FOID card holder in Illinois.

    https://www.nraila.org/articles/20190125/illinois-social-media-search-bill-other-anti-gun-legislation-introduced-in-house

  36. avatar Widdler says:

    Thank you Luis for posting this article, I tried to a few days ago when I got the update in my email. I will admit I’m not very computer literate so it didn’t work, we here in Hawaii are under attack like a lot of other states in the nation. What I find funny is the first paragraph of SB 1334 says “Hawaii has some of the strongest gun safety laws in the nation, and in 2016 ranked an A- from the Giffords Law Center”. Why fix what’s working if their so happy? what they try not to mention is that Hawaii ranks an F in education. It’s comical to see how twisted their priorities are, my hopes are that someone higher up the food chain will see and exposed this. Not to mention the 5 digit pay raises elected officials got last year…34% actually…..OOPS….was I not suppose to say that? I mean, the new GE tax hike that started this year IS going to support the victims and businesses destroyed by the lava right?….so we’re told.

  37. avatar SkorpionFan says:

    I just read through Hawaii HB1531 posted on the state of Hawaii website. I did not see any “carve out” exception for fed, state, or local law enforcement officers, on-duty or off-duty. Note that the AR-15 rifles and magazines carried by Honolulu Police Department officers as patrol rifles are their personal property, not department issued, and possesion might by officers may be a felony under this bill.

  38. avatar Kamalu says:

    Remember now, Hawaii has registration so they know who has what.

  39. avatar Eli2016 says:

    I think it’s obvious that the “locals” in Hawaii have absolutely no control over what happens in their government. When over 70% of your population votes for Obama it’s clear where your “priorities” lie. Let’s be honest here. Hawaii is controlled by foreign corporations and the U.S. military. The locals don’t count for much. That’s why they’re leaving. Gun owners need to look at Hawaii as a lesson in “authoritarian utopia” as espoused by the liberal alt left.

  40. avatar Pg2 says:

    Every state pushes the envelope slightly differently, Oregon will push a law through this year that allows the state to enter the homes of newborn children….without a warrant. How’s that going to work for gun rights or any remaining individual rights?

  41. avatar Pope John Paul says:

    Laws only carry weight when people abide by them. Any law that prohibits semi-auto firearms is illegal and should not be honored. No more giving ground to liberals who hate America, who hate the U.S. Constitution.
    Not an inch. Not anymore.

  42. avatar Big D says:

    Just another case of the loonies running the asylum.

  43. avatar Steve says:

    This is clearly unconstitutional as SCOTUS ruled that commonly used guns are protected by 2A. See if they pass this and then take them to the courts.

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