Three Polymer Police Surplus .40 S&W Pistols You Should Look At

Three Polymer Police Surplus .40 S&W Pistols You Should Look At

I know a number of people scoff at the .40 S&W these days but in reality, right now we’re living in amazing times. The .40 S&W is a great cartridge and is nothing to be sneezed at. Especially when it comes to some of the amazing deals out as a result of law enforcement agencies swapping back to 9mm.

There are some top quality guns floating around out there right now at very attractive prices. So let’s take a peek at three of the many deals that exist at the moment.

Three Polymer Police Surplus .40 S&W Pistols You Should Look At

GLOCK 22 Gen4
Weight: 650 g / 22.92 oz (unloaded)
Length: 186 mm / 7.32 in
Caliber: .40 S&W (10×22mm)
Barrel Length: 114 mm / 4.49 in
Width: 30.0 mm / 1.18 in
Height: 138 mm / 5.43 in (with magazine)
Capacity: 15+1
Deal: $319.95 @ Aim Surplus

Three Polymer Police Surplus .40 S&W Pistols You Should Look At

Heckler & Koch USP
Weight: 748 g / 26.39 oz (unloaded)
Length: 194 mm / 7.64 in
Caliber: .40 S&W (10×22mm)
Barrel Length: 108 mm / 4.25 in
Width: 32.0 mm / 1.26 in
Height: 136 mm / 5.35 in (with magazine)
Capacity: 13+1
Deal: $395.00 @ Summit Gun Broker

Three Polymer Police Surplus .40 S&W Pistols You Should Look At

Sig Sauer SP2022
Weight: 775 g / 27.3 oz (unloaded)
Length: 187 mm / 7.4 in
Caliber: .40 S&W (10×22mm)
Barrel Length: 98 mm / 3.9 in
Width: 34.0 mm / 1.3 in
Height: 144 mm / 5.7 in (with magazine)
Capacity: 12+1
Deal: $420.24 @ Bud’s Gun Shop

All three duty guns are polymer framed pistols. The GLOCK is a striker fired handgun while the SIG and HK are traditional double/single action pistols.

The GLOCK’s design allows it to have a constant trigger pull while the SIG and HK have a long trigger pull for the first shot and then a shorter, crisper pull after the slide cycles the first time.

The HK can be carried cocked and locked like a 1911, meaning that the safety is engaged with the hammer cocked. The SIG is the same except the safety is simply a decocker. You can manual cock the hammer or the pistol itself will after the first shot, but you cannot safely carry it cocked.

The GLOCK, as a striker fired pistol, is different. The gun is “semi-cocked” and there’s a firing pin block preventing the firing pin from going forward, This is removed by simply pulling the trigger. The GLOCK actually has three different safeties built into it.

All three pistols are safe to carry with a loaded chamber. They also have accessories rails to mount a weapon’s light. On these pistols I have mounted a HK-UTL MkII, a Surefire X200, and a Streamlight TLR-1.

The G22 has what’s called a “universal weapon mount” which was designed by GLOCK. It’s pretty much universal for the most part. The HK-UTL won’t fit but the Surefire X200 and Streamlight TLR-1 will. They come with the required parts to adapt to the GLOCK mount.

Three Polymer Police Surplus .40 S&W Pistols You Should Look At

The SIG has a M1913 Picatinny rail and is truly universal. Just about every weapon light and accessory can fit.

Three Polymer Police Surplus .40 S&W Pistols You Should Look At

The HK USP is a bit different. It has its own awkward proprietary rail that only allows its light to be mounted. HK designed their gun back in the late 1980s when weapon-mounted lights weren’t a standard yet.

Three Polymer Police Surplus .40 S&W Pistols You Should Look At

The USP can take other lights if an adapter is used. Such adapters are made by Surefire, GG&G, and NcSTAR. The HK-UTL MkII fits the USP and USP Compact but nothing else. I’m not even sure if it fits the older S&W Sigma which had a similar rail to the HKs.

All three pistols have a rough textured grip surface. The GLOCK and SIG have interchangeable back straps while the HK doesn’t. GLOCK’s back straps come in three different sizes and the pistol can be used without it. The SIG comes with two and you must use one.

As the HK is the oldest design of the three it makes sense that the USP never got that upgrade. HK later released the P2000 and P30 series with interchangeable back straps. GLOCK simply updated their pistols to the Gen4 frame while SIG updated the SIG Pro series with the SP2022.

The SIG and GLOCK have traditional magazine releases while the HK uses a paddle/flipper mag release design. Walther also uses this design for the P99/PPQ/PPS series of handguns. HK’s design is ambidextrous without any change while GLOCK’s and SIG’s can be reversed to either side with a tool.

Three Polymer Police Surplus .40 S&W Pistols You Should Look At

Three Polymer Police Surplus .40 S&W Pistols You Should Look At

There’s also some variation among the magazines the three pistols use. HK and GLOCK make their own magazines while SIG contracts out to Mec-Gar of Italy. Mec-Gar makes great mags for different companies as an OEM provider and also as a after market company.

The SIG magazine is a traditional metal body with a polymer follower and polymer floor plate (and no witness holes). The HK and GLOCK magazines are a metal lined design with a polymer mag body, follower, and floor plate.

Three Polymer Police Surplus .40 S&W Pistols You Should Look At

Three Polymer Police Surplus .40 S&W Pistols You Should Look At

Three Polymer Police Surplus .40 S&W Pistols You Should Look At

Three Polymer Police Surplus .40 S&W Pistols You Should Look At

Three Polymer Police Surplus .40 S&W Pistols You Should Look At

Surplus mags are easy to find and very affordable at the moment. On average I’m paying under $20.00 for mags for any of the three guns.

The GLOCK and HK have a dual spring captive guide rod design while the SIG has a traditional two-piece single spring design. Both GLOCK’s and HK’s guide rod are metal while SIG’s is plastic.

All three have metal inserts in the frame to act as anchor point for the slide to mate with the frame. HK’s is the smallest while SIG’s is the largest with GLOCK right in between.

The finishes are different. HK and GLOCK used a Tenifer finish while SIG uses a parkerized finish. Tenifer is a salt bath nitrocarburizing process that seeps into the metal and then a cosmetic finish is applied over it. GLOCK’s finish, in my opinion, is the strongest with SIG’s the lowest in terms of quality.

Field stripping and cleaning all three are a breeze.

Three Polymer Police Surplus .40 S&W Pistols You Should Look At

Three Polymer Police Surplus .40 S&W Pistols You Should Look At

Three Polymer Police Surplus .40 S&W Pistols You Should Look At

Three Polymer Police Surplus .40 S&W Pistols You Should Look At

Three Polymer Police Surplus .40 S&W Pistols You Should Look At

Three Polymer Police Surplus .40 S&W Pistols You Should Look At

The barrels are all well made designs with good feed ramps that make shooting all three a breeze. The rifling in the GLOCK and HK is polygonal and not friendly for reloaders who like to cast their own lead projectiles. Polygonal rifling is safe only with jacketed ammo.

The SIG barrel has the traditional lands and grooves rifling pattern and can be safely shot with either jacketed or lead cast projectiles.

Three Polymer Police Surplus .40 S&W Pistols You Should Look At

Three Polymer Police Surplus .40 S&W Pistols You Should Look At

The HK USP was designed from the ground up to be a .40 S&W pistol and, as such, was made with a fully supported chamber. The SIG Sauer SP2022 was a reworked SIG Pro series pistol for the French Police and was designed as a 9x19mm gun. SIG, however, made sure that the chamber, frame, and slide can fully support and handle the .40 S&W cartridge since the original SIG Pro series was originally built and designed as a .40 S&W chambered gun.

GLOCK went the easier route and shoved the .40 S&W chambering into a 9x19mm frame. They did so to beat Smith & Wesson at their own game. That’s right, GLOCK beat Smith & Wesson to releasing a pistol in the .40 S&W. But they did so at a price.

The original .40 S&W GLOCKs had frame cracking issues. They fixed that by adding a third frame pin, strengthening the design. But what they didn’t solve was the unsupported chamber.

The GLOCK has a small area on the bottom rear where the cartridge sits that’s open. Why is this a problem? Because if the cartridge ruptures then there’s a path that the explosive pressure can escape causing damage to the pistol and possibly the shooter.

This is resolved by shooting good quality ammunition. While it’s a known problem, GLOCKs are very safe pistols and most of the issues result from shooters using questionable reloads or a bad factory load. Word is that GLOCK over the years has re-contoured the chamber and barrel hood to make the pistol safer.

Three Polymer Police Surplus .40 S&W Pistols You Should Look At

Three Polymer Police Surplus .40 S&W Pistols You Should Look At

Three Polymer Police Surplus .40 S&W Pistols You Should Look At

I’ve never had a single issue with GLOCK pistols in .40 S&W and the majority of my career in law enforcement has been spent carrying and qualifying with a .40 S&W chambered GLOCK in one form or another.

All three of these pistols are great options. If you’re going for price, the GLOCK right now is the lowest and the highest is the SIG. If you’re looking at capacity then it’s GLOCK followed by HK then Sig. If you’re looking for a compact gun for concealed carry then it’s SIG followed by GLOCK then HK. If you’re looking for a duty gun then it’s GLOCK by far with SIG and HK tied in my opinion.

Once again all three are excellent guns and make good affordable options for home defense or concealed carry. You can’t go wrong with any of the three. And because everyone seems to be clamoring for 9mm, .40 S&W is relatively cheap and easy to find. Even during the occasional panics.

 

All photos taken by A. Valdes

comments

  1. avatar former water walker says:

    I’d get the GLOCK if funds allowed. All in for an AR15,shotgun,ammo and the usual bills(and Christmas and my honey’s birthday)…

  2. avatar Leighton Cavendish says:

    US CBP will be giving up their HK P2000s …in .40 and no manual safety…but no word on when. That will be 40,000+ guns or so.
    The agency does not let officers keep or buy their duty weapons…even when they retire.
    They are usually given/sold to other (foreign) LE agencies or militaries or destroyed.
    Maybe it will be different this time. But probably not.

  3. avatar Michael says:

    “Used”, polypistols, carried a lot and only turned in once? This could get expensive. Thanks for the great info. Excellent review.

  4. avatar jwm says:

    .40 S&W? Why buy an obsolete cartridge with no following? The 9mm is the world’s go to cartridge. (Running as fast as a fat man can for his flame proof shelter)

    1. avatar FedUp says:

      IIRC, in 2013-2014, 40S&W was THE leading handgun cartridge on the store shelves.

      .380 was absolute unobtainium, and .45ACP wasn’t far behind.

      1. avatar jwm says:

        For a while the only handgun ammo you could find was .40 S&W. Which should tell you something. Worst ammo shortage in history and .40s&W was rotting on the shelf.

        1. avatar Hannibal says:

          A mediocre round you have is better than a great one you don’t, though.

        2. avatar Danny L Griffin says:

          .40 S&W is not a mediocre round. I laugh at scoffers, many who themselves carry .380 ACP pocket pistols.

          9mm fans say .40 S&W is too hard to control for them, but their scorn is never spent on fans of 10mm. Go figure.

        3. avatar Greg says:

          The round is joke and a failure. Delta tried it out and found the guns couldn’t take the high roud counts. 40 has no advantage over 9mm on the battlefield. I got that info first hand.
          Weapons used were Glocks and STI 1911s.
          Shops in my area won’t take 40s in trade or stock new ones.
          On the 10mm, the guns are built for the round. 40 is basically a 9mm frame retrofitted. I have info that a few companies are looking to drop 40 as an offering.

        4. avatar Danny L Griffin says:

          40 is basically a 9mm frame retrofitted

          You don’t know what you are talking about. Repeating early adopter lies? Even as far back as the Kahr K40 (and others) it was designed for the .40, not the 9.

    2. avatar FB says:

      Because people cant qualify with a 40.
      Ballistically the 40 is more effective. Yes, the 9mm technology has improved, however, the same technology has improved for 40 still making it more effective.
      Even with the improved technology the 9mm is known to be ineffective in combat.
      The empirical data is out there.

  5. avatar barnbwt says:

    All USP 40’s should be converted to 10mm

    1. avatar Don from CT says:

      No go. The .40 is the same length as a 9mm. So the guns were designed as “short action” guns. The slide doesn’t move back enough to chamber and/or eject a 10 mm.

      1. avatar anonymoose says:

        USP40s are the ones that get reamed out for 10mm, though, not the USP45.

      2. avatar barnbwt says:

        That’s funny; my USP is firing 10mm right now…

        STI 2011 10mm magazines fit right into the gun, with a little filework to engage the mag catch.

  6. avatar Ed Rogers says:

    LUIS – SHHHHHH!

  7. avatar Danny Griffin says:

    You can get the M&P for $259. Spare mags are $10. Can also run .357 Sig like many others.

    1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      Where?

      1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

        It sure would be nice if they were available for that price locally (which means saving the $25 shipping and $40 FFL transfer charges).

      2. avatar Danny L Griffin says:

        AIM Surplus, the same place we’ve been talking about.

        M&P .40: https://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1SWMP40
        Magazines: https://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=MSWMP40

        Also I think I paid $18 shipping, and some FFLs will transfer for $20.

        1. avatar The Realist says:

          Have you received it yet and how does it look?

        2. avatar Danny L Griffin says:

          It looks great. There’s no real signs of holster wear and it doesn’t appear that many rounds have even been through the gun. The barrel looks practically new inside and outside. The night sights still work, too.

        3. avatar Danny L Griffin says:

          As long as I’m here, I purchased four additional mags and they look practically brand new, too. 99%.

  8. avatar RayS says:

    Just bought my father-in-law a used LEO glovk trade in .40. Came with the wolf 9mm and a 9mm mag. $320 and free shipping. I’ve been shooting the .40 for 20 years through all 3 glock sizes and never had a problem.

  9. avatar Mack The Knife says:

    GT Distributors also have Sig 226 DAO DEK 40 if you care for those. GT not only has a ton of police trade in pistols, but, also Rem 870 shotguns and ARs. I’ve also seen good used Minnie 14s. Additionally, and at an unbelievable low price they are also selling off police trade in 40 cal ammo in Lawman target, gold dot and recently I picked up Winchester white box for $10.99. Check them out if you’re not familiar with them. They have great Glock pricing for first responders and military as with all other new guns as well.

  10. avatar BC says:

    Except the SP2022 isn’t a used price. That’s new. Of course, dunno if you’re gonna find many police turn-ins on them.

    1. avatar Zhang says:

      Yep. If you’re paying $420 + taxes & fees for a used SP2022, you got ripped off.

  11. avatar Dog of War says:

    I’ve carried my own .40 S&W Sig 2340 for years, which is the gun that became the 2022. For the most part the major differences is that the 2340 had their own proprietary rail system, but it’ll stick take a set of Crimson Trace grips. Of those three guns I’ll take mine over a Glock or HK anyway.

  12. avatar Biff says:

    I’m not seeing the ‘deals’ here. A quick check shows Guns Midwest selling new 9mm Sig P2022 pistols for $409. I also see new Gen 4 G17 selling for around $420 at a couple of places, but these come with 3 magazines and most police trades only come with one.

    Most Glocks aren’t worth buying used. You might save $100 over new, but will often have to pay another $45 to get the two extra mags the new gun comes with and have no idea what you are getting compared to buying new. If you want the factory box or extra back straps you usually don’t get those either.

    Most of the classic Sigs that are cheap are .40 with the DAK trigger. If this is what you want they are an ok buy, since the trades sell for a few hundred less than new.

    If you want a Glock for less, join the GSSF for 2 years @ $60 and they will immediately send you a pistol purchase coupon. Then look on Glock’s website to find the regional distributor that covers your state. Give them your Credit Card info and mail them your coupon. Have them ship a gun to a local dealer that does cheap transfers. You will save about $70 ($100 Blue Label Savings – $30 for 1 yr GSSF). The next year they will send another coupon, so buy another Glock.

    For most of the other brands, go to grabagun’s website and find the UPC# of the gun you want. Then go to gun.deals and search for the UPC#. It will scour the web and list all the major online shops prices, lowest to highest. Your welcome.

  13. avatar Duane says:

    Let me see millions of .40 cal pistol all ready manufactured.

    Every major manufacturer are still chambering 40cal in handguns

    The idea that the 40 is obsolete is just some thing for gun writers to write about.

  14. avatar strych9 says:

    They’re all good guns but I’d have to recommend the USP due to my person biases.

    1. avatar Zhang says:

      It’s also the best value. A new Glock 22 Gen 4 will be around $500, so that used price is only saving you about $180. The SP2022’s used price is a joke, that’s how much it costs brand new. A new USP is still running around $800. That used price is literally half off.

      1. avatar strych9 says:

        My personal biases aside (the USP is my daily carry gun and also so slick that I own two of them, one’s tricked out for home defense, the other is my carry piece) in my experience the USP will shoot better for a lot of people.

        I have nothing against Glock brand Glocks, I shoot them fine as does my wife but it seems based on my experience that a fair number of other people don’t find them to be a very friendly platform. People don’t like the grip angle or the trigger. Personally I’ve never found either to be a problem but hey, if other people have a problem like that the H&K at this price might just be exactly the ticket they’re looking for.

  15. avatar possum says:

    I looked at them, yup they’re plastic.

  16. avatar Chris Morton says:

    The only .40S&W Glock I’ve ever fired was my own 2nd generation gun.

    It was a MONSTER. The slide velocity was so ridiculous that I found it nearly uncontrollable.

    Then I installed a 22lb. recoil spring and stainless guide.

    It’s an entirely different gun now, being on the level of a 5″ M1911 with defense loads.

    I once passed on a surplus Glock 23 in favor of a surplus Glock 19, based on the Glock 22’s out of the box behavior. Now I’m shopping for a bargain on a used Glock 23 so I can try the same trick on it.

    1. avatar Danny L Griffin says:

      Not being familiar with Glocks, I assume 22lbs is significantly stronger than the stock factory spring?

      1. avatar Chris Morton says:

        It is. I think standard for the .40 (and 9x19mm) is 15-17lb.

        The 9x19mm doesn’t need a heavier spring, but the Glock 22 certainly does, at least in it’s 2nd Generation version.

      2. avatar Dyspeptic Gunsmith says:

        Yep. By a fair bit.

  17. avatar Shiff says:

    I know the USP is a very old design but I wish they could be retrofitted with the VP9’s mag release. One of the reasons I sold my usp .45 compact was due to the small mag release; I also discovered that I prefer full sized frames to compacts.

    1. avatar Baldwin says:

      The larger mag release paddle is available and easy to replace. I highly recommend it. I did it to my police trade-in USP-45.

  18. avatar Greg says:

    .40 fans are like crossfitters that argue CrossFit plates are legit weights lol.

    1. avatar 22winmag says:

      Grow up and call .40S&W what it is…10mm Short.

      1. avatar Kahlil says:

        Or call 10mm the .40 magnum

        1. avatar Greg says:

          .40 Magnum, I like that.😎

    2. avatar Sam in Ohio says:

      Having used standard cast iron plates and CrossFit rubber plates, I’ve found that a 45 lb plate is a 45 lb plate. Similarly, I’ve used .40s, 9 mms and .45 acp pistols and have endured a lot of commentary on the flaws and merits of each. Projectile technology has probably turned 9 mms into legitimate fight stoppers as far as terminal performance goes. 25 years ago, that wasn’t the case.

      Living in the present, I don’t feel underarmed with a 9 mm anymore than I feel overarmed with a .40 or .45 acp. You shouldn’t either.

  19. I would if I could “FREELY” exercise my 2nd Amendment Rights…Unfortunately, I live in Massachusetts. A “Socialist, Eastern Bloc Utopian Police-State…” Where the DNC and RINOs reminded MA residents many time during MA. Public Safety and Homeland Security Committees that MA. Residents DON’T have a 2nd Amendment right (CHILLED) in this state….Only a barely tolerated privilege ALLOWED by the politicians and local/city/state Law Enforcement community…Where NO ONE in the state of Massachusetts can purchase any firearm without an FID card/LTC…Which of course requires mandatory safety certification, applying for said cards at YOUR freindly/NOT so freindly local PD, interviews with a local PD licensing officer- without an attorney present , constitutional waivers, restrictions, bans, multiple local/city/state police permissions, ‘MAY or MIGHT, or MIGHT NOT issue…Long wait times for permit ; if approved…MA residents still awaiting on Pres. Trump for 2nd Amendment restoration of constitutional rights that have been taken away by the state and the law enforcement community…

  20. avatar 22winmag says:

    CONFIRMED!

    My FNS40 performs too well to dump on the surplus market.

  21. avatar Dyspeptic Gunsmith says:

    This is yet another case of the public sector treating the taxpayers with utter contempt.

    First, they claimed that they needed a higher capacity pistol – more than their revolvers.

    OK, so the taxpayers bought the cops 9×19 wundernines – Glocks and so on. Some of law enforcement were so enthusiastic at obtaining their new wundernines that they shot themselves in the leg, or they mag-dumped innocent people (because that became the new tactikewl training technique).

    Then the cops said that they needed “moar power!” So we taxpayers paid for them to convert to .40’s.

    Now they can’t handle the .40’s, and they want “more rounds!” so they’re going back to their wundernines again.

    Here’s an idea: We buy the cops S&W Model 66 revolvers. They’ll have .357 Mag capability, which is better than any .40 S&W or 9×19. It’s a solid chunk of stainless steel. It will have the 12lb DA trigger (to prevent cops from red-legging themselves) and a 2.75 lb trigger (when they want to actually shoot something accurately), and a low round capacity to help focus their marksmanship.

    Then refurb these guns when they show wear, and give them right back to the cops. No more “whole department trade-in” travesties of waste, no more chasing the “latest hotness” in the plastic pistol department, and no more taking bribes of hookers and blow from an Austrian horse molester for a new pistol contract. The same revolver can be issued to a new shave-tail 100 years from now, holster wear and all, but in perfectly functioning order.

    1. I think I mentioned something similar before as well…

  22. avatar burley says:

    A USP for less than 4 digits?!?!

  23. avatar MrPotatoHead says:

    The SP2340, on which the SP2022 is based, was originally built around the .40 S&W, not 9mm. The SP2022 was also based on the .40 S&W first, and the 9mm version came later (SP2009 and then the SP2022).

  24. avatar L says:

    For just a little bit more you may as well get the P226 in steel rather than the 2022 in plastic. Just a quick google search from me revealed

    https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/products2.cfm/ID/168884

    You could probably do a little better if you dig. Then again I’m partial to metal framed guns, I don’t buy plastic.

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    1. avatar Sidney J Stern IV says:

      That USP is a steal, get a threaded barrel and you’ve got a USP tactical in .40 for 1/3 the price.

  26. avatar Mark says:

    I’m a bit surprised by the sudden adoration for the 9mm. For years all I read was disdain for the “9 sillimeter” aka “.380 long “. The conventional wisdom held that anything smaller than a .45 – or a .40 if you were in a pinch – would only piss off a determined attacker. Now that the FBI has switched (back) to 9mm everyone has jumped on the bandwagon with them.
    For the record I like the .40. There have been many, many police shootings with it and the reliable terminal ballistics with quality 155gr – 180gr hollowpoints comforts me.
    I’m told the 9mm can get similar effect with premium ammunition, but performance drops off dramatically with cheaper blammo. I am less confident in my employer’s willingness to splurge on the premium stuff.

  27. avatar T.S. Thomas says:

    I’ve always qualified with .40 S&W and got occasional perfect scores. H&K USP compact is not hard to shoot well. Like any other gun, practice. I don’t see much practical difference in my groups whether it’s 9mm, .40 or .45 ACP. Mostly it’s in one’s grip and getting fundamentals right. And yes, I mess them up sometimes, but it’s not the ammo’s fault.

  28. avatar Tec's Dad says:

    There are OTHER good deals on .40SW as well, I like the Beretta Px4 have them in Type F, Type C and Type D..there are some compact models as well as SC models as well..Glocks I’ve gotten in .40 with trijicons for $289..my last Beretta in .40SW with NS and type C was $229 +S,H&Transfer…

  29. avatar Scoutino says:

    “The rifling in the GLOCK and HK is polygonal and not friendly for reloaders who like to cast their own lead projectiles. Polygonal rifling is safe only with jacketed ammo.”

    Psssst, not so loud! My polygonally rifled .40 Tanfoglio Witness Stock might hear you and decide it will not shoot perfectly fine with my cast bullets anymore.

  30. avatar Chris says:

    AIM Surplus also has SIG P229’s and P226’s in both .40 and .357 Sig for $400-$500. I routinely find .40 Sig P229’s, P226’s, P239’s for $450-$600 (at Cabela’s no less [Gainsville, VA, Lone Tree and Thornton, CO]). When I was working at the Grand Junction, CO store we had LE trade in P229’s in .40 sit on the shelf for 1-2 years at $500.

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