You’d Be Surprised How Many Guns Are ‘Military Grade’ Weapons

One of the phrases that frequently gets tossed around by anti-gun activists – recently, for instance, by Emma Gonzalez – is “military grade weapons” or “military weapons.” The connotation, of course, is usually modern sporting rifles such as the AR-15 or so-called “high capacity” pistols, though high capacity is all rather relative and conveniently undefined.

“Military grade” is, of course, a colloquialism that, when followed to the letter, actually describes such a long list of firearms that the term becomes completely meaningless.

For instance, all of the following guns have been either issued by our armed forces or a foreign military unit in some form in the past 50 years:

The Browning Hi Power was actually the most commonly issued sidearm going by the sheer number of adopters. Canada, the UK, Belgium and more than 50 other nations selected the Hi Power for their standard issue military pistol.

Yes, even the diminutive Smith & Wesson Airweight J-frame revolver was issued – in limited numbers – to some pilots in the Vietnam War and beyond. 

The Smith & Wesson Model 10, a K-frame .38 Special, was issued to personnel on guard duty in the US armed forces (on a limited basis, but widely enough) from the Second World War all the way into Desert Storm. Additionally, the Model 10 was the service revolver of several dozen countries, even into the late 20th century.

Two of the most popular bolt action rifles in the world have seen extensive military service.

courtesy winchesterguns.com

During the Vietnam War, a number of pre-64 Winchester Model 70 rifles were issued to Marine Corps snipers, Carlos Hathcock being a famous example. These rifles had been gone over by the Marine Corps armory, of course, but were still production rifles.

That conflict also saw deployment of the Remington Model 700 bolt action rifle, known by the military as the M24. It’s served in sniper roles from Viet Nam conflict into the Operation Enduring Freedom, albeit with modifications by the US Army and US Marine Corps as those branches saw fit. Both branches are in the process of switching to a new sniper rifle platform, but both are still based – oddly enough – on the venerable 700’s action.

The Beretta M9 — or the 92FS as you may know it — was the US military’s standard sidearm for over a generation until just recently. It’s also widely owned by millions of civilians and is one of the more popular semi-automatic handguns on the market.

Much to the chagrin of the plastic pistol posse, the classic 1911 remains one of the most popular handguns on the civilian market. John Moses Browning’s design saw military duty from 1911 until just a few years ago when the last special operations unit still using the 1911 moved to the GLOCK 19.

And so on and so forth. Everything from the Colt Pocket Hammerless to the garden variety GLOCK 17 has been issued and used by our military in war time. So just like the gun grabbers’ favorite label, “assault rifle,” the term “military grade” doesn’t really mean anything at all since it could technically apply to almost any firearm in civilian use.

What about you, though? Do you have any “military grade weapons” in your collection?

comments

  1. avatar former water walker says:

    Is a lowly Maverick88 military grade? I guess I COULD sweep a trench with it😄😎😏

    1. avatar Bearpaw says:

      Israel military/police uses/used the Ruger 10/22 for crowd control.

      1. avatar MeRp says:

        Ugh, well, that marks it; I only have 1 non-military grade weapon (if you consider clones, etc as still counting): a Ruger LC9s Pro; pretty sure no one has issued that.

        Even my Turkish shotgun is a clone of a type that was made for the Turkish Military. 😛 Dang.

    2. avatar Nanashi says:

      It’s part of the same series as the Mossberg 590A1 which is absolutely in standard use with the Navy. Apparently they qualify with it in basic instead of a rifle, or at least used to. 590s are better than 590A1 if you aren’t in the Navy though, the only difference (as far as I can tell) is the barrel is heavier so idiots don’t break it by shutting a ship’s door on it.

      I’m pretty sure the other branches also have Mossbergs for breaching.

      1. avatar tmm says:

        I believe the 590A1 also carries a metal trigger guard to satisfy a military requirement. If I remember right, the 590A1s are also parkerized.

        1. avatar Kroglikepie says:

          ‘Heavy wall barrel’, metal safety, metal trigger guard, and a barrel heat shield (shroud) is what makes a M901A1. They can have a barrel length of 14″, 18.5″ or 20″, with either a fixed stock, or come with a stock and pistol grip.

          I love mine.

      2. avatar SkyMan77 says:

        If I may >>> Ships don’t have doors they have hatches…

        The way I understand it, the A1 is the military specification of the 590 that also includes the feared bayonet lug… I love 590’s, mainly due to where the safety is…

        Carry on TTAG and God Bless!!!

        1. avatar Baldwin says:

          Hatches are in decks, doors are in bulkheads. Navy AF!

  2. avatar tsbhoa.p.jr says:

    no.
    mine are nice.

    1. avatar tsbhoa.p.jr says:

      militia grade, perhaps.

  3. avatar Stuff and Things says:

    For me “Grade” would indicate a standard of construction: i.e. methods of manufacturing and materials used (the standard of “cold hammer forged chrome-line 4150 ordnance-grade steel” comes to mind when talking about the barrel construction of certain self-loading rifles).

    7075 T6 Alloy….Type 3 Anodizing…158 carpenter steel….shot-peened….magnetic particle inspected…grade 8 fastners…staked castle-nut…etc…etc…etc..

    Basically if there is a list of required methods-of-assembly, inspection, materials, coatings and-or finishes as specified by the military, that would be “military grade” in my book. One could apply the same level of requirements to the construction of a Brown Bess and it would be “military grade.”

    1. avatar Pretorius says:

      Right, however m4/m16 military barrels are not hammer forged. They are chrome lined though.

      1. avatar MT Dude says:

        You’re half-right: The Colt ones were not cold-hammer-forged. The FN ones are. Only a Sith deals in absolutes. Something something something dark side. Something something–COMPLETE.

        1. avatar MyName says:

          Something, something, a more elegant weapon from a more civilized age.

        2. avatar Ing says:

          Only a Sith deals in absolutes…unless you’re a Jedi saying the Sith absolutely always deal in absolutes.

        3. avatar jwm says:

          That’s some deep Sith right there.

    2. avatar Ams says:

      Military grade = built by the lowest bidder

  4. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

    I guess by the Leftards line of feelings my Trapdoor Springfield makes their list.

    1. avatar Francis says:

      What about the military grade Remington Model 1858 Army and the Colt Model 1860 Army black powder revolvers. The have high capacity six round cylinders and the 1958 can be quickly changed like a magazine. You can even buy these on the internet.

      1. avatar jwm says:

        Brown Bess musket. A bayonet lug and I’m pretty sure it had the first shoulder thingy that goes up.

        And it may be able to take GLOCK magazines.

      2. avatar MyName says:

        I think we can all agree that only the military should have those new fangled revolvers and certainly no civilian should ever own one of those high tech cartridge firearms. Black powder, flintlock, smoothbore muskets are the only weapons protected by the 2nd amendment.

        (Am I doing it right?)

        1. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

          “(Am I doing it right?)”

          Of course you are.

        2. avatar B.D. says:

          Well played.

      3. avatar Mark N. says:

        Colt Model 1873 with 7.5″ barrel in .45 Colt was a designated military arm for the cavalry and artillery. Civilian versions were released simultaneously.

  5. avatar rt66paul says:

    Most, if not all handgun versions made in Europe before and during WWII were carried by officers(officers in many countries carried their own private handguns. I believe this to be true for all wars, since the invention of handguns.)

  6. avatar Blah says:

    I’ve made this argument more times than I can count. The terms “military grade” and “weapons of war” could apply to the vast majority of guns on the civilian market, to include the average Fudd’s bolt gun. Meaningless language.

    1. avatar Danny Mann says:

      At one time a rock was a weapon of war. It’s just a matter of perception. The Palestinians still use them against the IDF. I wonder how many stitches have been received from rock wounds.
      Also, the Vietnamese used poisonous snakes against American “Tunnel Rats”. Better get rid of all the snakes, even the non-poisonous, as they could be perceived as poisonous. (If anyone sees the parallelism I that last sentence, please say so. I’d just like to know if my effort was wasted or not).

      1. avatar That Deaf SOB says:

        Speaking as a Native American, y’all better get ready to turn in all your bows too. And you over there with the javelin, put it on the pile. They’ll arrest and imprison any kid who makes a sling too, because, you know, that whole David & Goliath thing. Hell, I watched a movie the other day where some soldier threw a handful of dirt in the face of an enemy attacker, so from here on bags of potting soil and topsoil will have registration numbers, will only be sold through federal depots, will require a complete background check ($250 fee and 2 year waiting list), and no more than 4 bags per year.

  7. avatar D says:

    The term “military grade weapon” like the term “assault weapon” do not exist and are nothing more than a tactic to scare the stupid and gullible. Unfortunately, its working brilliantly.

    1. avatar Binder says:

      “Assault weapon” had a legal definition, but not based on functionality. Military grade is pure marketing. But if TAG wants to play the game and help the ant-gunners define the term, then who am I to disagree?

      1. avatar D says:

        No, assault RIFLE has a definition and is an actual term. Assault weapon is not.

        1. avatar binder says:

          Look up the federal code, I don’t have time. But there definitely is a Assult weapon definition. Or do you think the AWB we had for ten years is a figment of imagination.

        2. avatar Hannibal says:

          Assault weapon absolutely had a legal definition, federally, and still has a legal definition in many states (depending on how the AWB was written it may still have a federal definition, even if unenforced).

          The fact that none of the people using the term in the media or anti-gun groups knows the definition is a useful point but does not mean the definitions do not exist. Do your research.

        3. avatar Kyle in Upstate NY says:

          “Assault rifle” is a technical military term. “Assault weapon” is a non-technical, completely arbitrary legal definition that is defined, and continually redefined, however the legislators want. It is the gun equivalent of “hate speech.”

    2. avatar doesky2 says:

      AR15 = Military grade except for the little fact that……….

      The semi-sutomatic AR15 has never been fielded as the primary issued firearm by any standing army in the entire world. Ever.

  8. avatar CliffH says:

    With the obvious consideration of potential service in a militia, should circumstances demand it, ALL of my firearms are “Military Grade”.

    Ruger SR556 carbine (based on the M4 platform, but not select-fire)
    Norinco M1A with a Vortex Crossfire II 6-18×44 (based on the venerable M14, but not select-fire)
    Smith & Wesson 686 in .357 Magnum
    Ruger SR9c in 9mm

    Not entirely sure about the Ruger LC9s, but it is 9mm, the standard handgun caliber for military grade pistols.

    1. avatar Binder says:

      Ruger LC9s make perfect general’s sidearms. But if you want to play this stupid game, don’t be surprised with stupid prizes.

  9. avatar skoon says:

    Wow left out the cz-75 harsh

  10. avatar jwm says:

    The model 10 was not just issued to guards during the war. Pilots were issued a bunch of them and I can remember at least one photo of a marine on Iwo with a .38 in hand.

    The coast guard beach patrol that intercepted the German agents off the u boat on the east coast were carrying model 10’s. Between .gov purchases and private purchase the .38 was nearly as well represented in ww2 as the .45.

    1. avatar John in AK says:

      They go back further than that.

      The first Smith & Wesson Hand Ejector Model of 1899 in .38 Long Colt was purchased by the US Government for the Army, Navy, and Marines, and was used n the Philippines as the ‘Military and Police’ Model. The gun went through many small modifications up to the Model of 1905 4th Change, the ‘ultimate’ development (with the passive hammer-block safety) until post-WWII, and saw much US military use during WWII in a cheaper version known as the ‘Victory Model,’ made in .38 Special and .38/200 British as a Lend-Lease gun. The Victory’ was standard issue for US Navy and Marine aircrew.
      Only in 1957 did the ‘Military & Police Model of 1905 4th Change’ become the Model 10, but it’s the same gun as the 1899 albeit with a few very minor changes.

      Yep, they are all ‘Military Grade.’

  11. avatar Ranger Rick says:

    My “Military Grade” Randall Model 14 and old lead sap have no moving parts and are always in a ready condition.

  12. avatar M. Murcek says:

    Lugers, SIGs, 1911s, Llamas, Remingtons, FAL, M1A…

  13. avatar IAmNotTheHulk says:

    Military Grade=lowest bidding contractor cost FTW!

    1. avatar DaveL says:

      You beat me to it.

  14. avatar Felix says:

    From the very beginning, the term was half-baked.

    If it meant “used by the military”, then it included all the guns you mention and (of course) more, and was a meaningless distinction, because you could extend that concept to underwear, socks, belts, hats, cars, airplanes, and all sorts of nonsense.

    If it meant “powerful”, then most hunting rifles are just as powerful and some are more powerful (elephant guns, punt guns), and of course some military guns are far more powerful (battleships, mini-cannon). It’s too vague a concept to mean anything.

    If it meant features, like bayonet lugs or accessory rails, then it seems to exclude only zip guns and pipe bombs.

    If it meant quality, then it showed how ignorant hoplophobes are, because civilians are far more likely to have much better triggers and scopes/sights than most military rifles.

    All in all, it just shows once again how ignorant hoplophobes are. Shoulder thing that goes up, full semi-auto, firing 30 full clips per second, spray from the hip without reloading … ignorance.

  15. avatar MyName says:

    I think there are two different uses of the language in play here: What POTG would consider military grade and why they would care, and what the antis mean when they say military grade.

    To POTG, military grade means, I believe, a bit about the history and usage of a type of gun and a bit about the construction methods and finishes. We all know that standard issue military guns are not necessarily more dangerous than other guns and that they are not usually the most finely made or finished guns. We also know that military ordnance includes things that are not readily available to the general public.

    The antis, I believe, are ignorant of one of these points and trying to push an agenda by obfuscating another. I think that many of the antis think that military arms are inherently more deadly than other arms (or believe that the general population will assume that to be true) and they use this general impression to convince people that there are classes of weapons too deadly for the general population to own.

    Many people are just uninformed about guns and many of those people assume “military” means “better and/or deadlier”. I was once sitting around a campfire with several people – some who I already knew and some who I just met, and the conversation turned to guns and hunting and the like. One fellow I’d not previously met who was not anti gun but was uninformed, told a story about the time he got to shoot his friends “real army 9-millimeter” that is “way more powerful than a regular gun”. I asked, do you mean a Beretta M9. He said he thought that is what it was. I told him that I owned three handguns that fire exactly the same cartridge and that the M9 is not at all unusual in that respect. He insisted that the one he had fired was different because it was from the Army. I just let it go at that but, this conversation is indicative of many I’ve had or listened to in which people are sure that the military has extra deadly arms.

    Of course, in a sense, they do have deadlier weapons. The have .50 cal. machine guns, .30 cal. machine guns, and artillery and AC-130 gunships. I think when many of the antis shout about military grade arms they are trying to evoke an image in the minds of the uninformed of these things (or just evoke Rambo with his M-60) and then overlay that image on completely mundane items like the AR-15.

    1. avatar Felix says:

      Good point. They know military planes are fast and deadly; military vehicles (tanks) are armored and have big guns; so surely military rifles are much more deadly than hunting rifles. Common sense would say that bears take more killing than humans, but that doesn’t enter into it because bears aren’t shooting back. Surely military rifles can work … faster? better? … than hunting rifles.

      1. avatar MyName says:

        Yup, I think this is the line of thought – The military kills people and breaks things, therefore military stuff must be better at killing people and breaking things than non-military stuff.

        Someone like me chimes in and says that my .270 Winchester deer rifle is more powerful than the standard issue infantry weapon used by the Army and people just can’t make it compute. POTG know what I’m talking about, .270 Win > .223 Rem, but the uninitiated have no idea what I’m talking about.

    2. avatar Laserbeam says:

      And then David slew Goliath with a rock propelled by a slingshot so there’s that to consider.

      1. avatar MyName says:

        Ban military grade assault rocks!

  16. avatar 2aguy says:

    You forgot the Pump action shotgun which is a current military weapon….then you have the Lever Action rifle which was a military rifle and the 6 shot revolver is also a military weapon……..the anti gunners will get around to calling the revolver and lever action rifle as weapons of genocide against the Native Americans…..

    They want all of the guns….they won’t stop until they get them.

    1. avatar Mark N. says:

      The lever action rifle was never formerly adopted by the US military, although a small number of Henry .44 cal rim fires were tested in the Civil War, and the Russian government bought a few as well in later years. None of the Winchesters made the grade, the US opting instead for the .45-70 Sharps, a single shot weapon.

      1. avatar John in AK says:

        The US government may not have bought lever-action rifles for direct military service, but the Turks surely did–some 50,000 Winchester Model 1866s, which they used against the Russians in 1877~78. The Russians also bought 294,000 Winchester Model 1895s for use in WWI.

        That makes them ‘military grade’ in my book.

        Oh. . . the US Army did not purchase .45/70 Sharps rifles; They MADE .45/70 Springfield rifles from 1873 through 1891ish, and that was the standard service rifle until the advent of the Krag-Jorgensen of 1892. Springfields served as 2nd-line rifles in the Spanish-American War.

      2. avatar jwm says:

        The US .gov bought upwards of a hundred thousand Spencer repeaters during the war. Mostly in carbine version for the horse troops. But they bought a fair number of the full length infantry model as well.

        And then the .gov promptly took back the repeaters at the end of the war and issued the troops with single shots. None of the men involved in that decision were with the 7th in June, 1876.

        The .45-70 issued was a Springfield, not a Sharps.

  17. avatar Arc says:

    Even for grunts, getting to use the giggle switch is pretty much for qualifications only. Unless its CAX/ITX/Whatever it is now and the 400 series ranges or some such… IAR/M27s will pretty much always be on semi. Its basically irrelevant.

  18. avatar IAmNotTheHulk says:

    Many advancements in tech start as Military Grade and trickle down to the public and private sector. I bet ancient Rome’s plumbing started as something for the elite and military, just look at cell phones and Garmin GPS. Listening to children blather is silly.

    1. avatar TheUnspoken says:

      And from the commercial sector to the military sector as well. The COTS procurements, and the whole tactical, modular AR thing, it seems like the flexibility in the commercial market has lead to a lot of innovation while armies were stuck on a standard M16 or M4, with “milspec” features while the commercial market went to quad rails, red dots, free float rails, then keymod and mlok, advanced suppressors, better triggers, 6.5 creedmoor, etc. Special forces/socom I guess you could say is driving some development but even that is frequently adopting commercial gear. A lot of the actual mainstream army gear has just resulted in failed projects that aren’t fielded, trying to get crazy sci-fi gear while sticking with the old stuff they have had for decades.

  19. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

    Military grade?
    From which military? I’ve got one or two that I found interesting.
    The most unused is an Egyptian SHE.
    It’s in 7.62 X 45. Finding ammo is a bitch and expensive. But it’s a fun shooter.
    For being over 60 years old, it’s beautiful. You can tell that different parts were treated/blued by different factories. The front sight hood is gorgeous. The rest? Meh…

    1. avatar Raoul Duke says:

      You mean Czech Vz-52?

      SHE is a Czech manufacturing code.

  20. avatar ollie says:

    The Second Amendment specifies “ARMS” which therefore embraces the category ” Military Grade Firearms”‘
    It offers no mention of sporting purposes, so firearms used for hunting and target and skeet that were never adopted by the military are NOT protected by the Constitution.
    Turn them all in Fudds, and don’t dillydally.

    1. avatar Joe in NC says:

      This exactly. When Tenche Cox, a lesser known founder of our Republic was asked what arms the Second Amendment protected he replied, “ every terrible implement of the soldier.”

      1. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

        The Fully Automatic and the Full Semi Automatic and beyond,all under the 2 nd. Amendment.

        1. avatar MyName says:

          I’ve been trying to figure out the difference between fully semi-automatic and semi fully-automatic.

      2. avatar Geoff "Mess with the Bull, get the Horns" PR says:

        Looking up that quote, Tench Cox expanded quite a bit on it, and even opined on citizens using them on fellow citizens –

        ” Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress has no power to disarm the militia. Their swords and every terrible implement of the soldier are the birthright of Americans.”

        Look at that! Even back then, they had it *covered*…

        “Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom…”

        https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Tench_Coxe

  21. avatar m. says:

    anti-gun t**ts of any gender: don’t care what you “think” about something being military grade or not. stfu & gtfo of america if you do not approve.

  22. avatar frank speak says:

    Its just more misinformation to influence the ignorant…for them, it’s coin of the realm…

  23. avatar MGD says:

    Actual paraphrased conversation with my step-sister:
    Her: No one should have any weapon that the military uses. None!
    Me: (Showing her my Remington 700) You mean like this one?
    Her: That’s not used by the military; that’s a regular deer rifle.
    Me: The military uses all sorts of everyday weapons including “deer rifles”. What do you think snipers use? Here’s a picture of one just like this 700 being used by the military and I assure you the soldier in this picture is not deer hunting.
    Her: Dead brook trout stare.

    1. avatar MyName says:

      I can’t tell you how many times someone has said to me, more or less, “No one needs something as powerful as an AR-15 to hunt with.” If they say it at my house I go get a 5.56 x 45 round, a 30-06 round and a .270 Win round and ask them which one they think goes in my AR and which one I use to hunt deer. For the bonus round I ask them which one they think I use to hunt elk.

      Lot’s of people, apparently, think ARs are typically chambered in 30-06.

      1. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

        Priceless !

      2. avatar MGD says:

        I’ve done that too by holding up a .30 06 next to a .223.

  24. avatar DJ says:

    Most custom are better than military grade.

  25. avatar samr says:

    My Bersa Thunder 380 is standard issue for the Ecuadorian Air Force, and it’s a choice of a bunch of other countries. The thing is everywhere in South America, and for good reason: it’s cheap, easy to conceal, not picky about ammo, and goes bang every time you pull the trigger. It is battle tested and proven. And no gun grabber in their right mind cares a flying hoot about it, if they even know it exists.

  26. avatar Andrew Lias says:

    No Ithaca 37 no care.

    1. avatar tsbhoa.p.jr says:

      preach.

  27. avatar Chris Orfe says:

    I’ve been thinking of this and I can only find the lowly derringer as a design not either directly from a “military grade firearm” or used by any military in history. Going back to our Revolution, all guns were single shots, including the shotguns used by Patriots. There there are trapdoors, bolt actions, semi-autos (both rifle and handgun), pump shotguns, semi-auto shotguns (used to train bomber aircraft gunners during WWII). I guess maybe O/U shotguns might be allowed but double barrels were used during the Spanish American war. Revolvers, SA and DA, break top, swing out, et al have been used by American and other militaries. When you come down to it, all firearms seem to have originated as either a military grade design or one that was converted to military grade design. I probably missed a few. Don’t even go to calibers. Hasn’t every caliber been used or inspired by a military somewhere?

    More weasel wording my the left to finally take our guns away from us. Just like other words that have come into common use and used by the alt-left, progressives (think Woodrow Wilson the “first progressive president” who gave us the UN) and the current crop of liberals and Democrats.

    1. avatar MyName says:

      I think you may be right about the derringer. I think .mil may have jumped from the single shot pistol straight to the revolver without toying with two rounds.

      I suppose that one could argue that there are several rounds/cartridges out there that have no military heritage although, that depends on how far back you trace the development. Things that come to mind are .17 hmr, .204 ruger, .375 H&H and a host of others but, even then, they all take advantage of the history of design and innovation in ammunition that has been driven, at least in part, by military arms development.

      1. avatar jwm says:

        The Lancaster pistol was a 2 or 4 shot break action cartridge gun. Both types were purchased and carried by British officers during the hey day of the empire.

        1. avatar MyName says:

          Well, i guess even derringers are military grade. Ban pepperboxes too.

  28. avatar Geezer says:

    I have a very effective military grade weapon that has been used by combatants as their primary weapon. It is generally modified by the user but can be used without modification. It is also widely available to civilians as well as military.

    It is a rock.

    Modifications include use of a sling (ask Goliath) or attaching it to a stick making it easier to use than a heavy club.

    1. avatar MyName says:

      Is your rock black? Maybe OD? FDE? (ok, I guess most rocks are FDE by definition)

      1. avatar Geezer says:

        While there are some dark colored rocks, the only truly black one in my area is coal which may be too soft for repeated use. I am not familiar with OD or FDE.

        1. avatar MyName says:

          Agree, coal is soft. OD is Olive Drab and FDE is Flat Dark Earth which is essentially Army lingo for “same color as a rock”.

        2. avatar jwm says:

          Coal is a fragmentation rock. That’s a WMD.

  29. avatar Alexander says:

    The 1939 Supreme Court ruling in “Miller” specifically said that ONLY military -type weapons are protected by the Second Amendment. Of course, since this country is now mostly ruled by whims, what difference does it make?

  30. avatar Rocketman says:

    A major component of all this is “generalization”. “Common sense gun control”, “assault weapon” and so on mean different things to different people which is what the democratic socialists want. Some day a politician will say to an angry hunter “Well a lot of people wanted us to eliminate all machine guns.” “So we classified your grandfathers shotgun as a machine gun since it fires more than one projectile with a single pull of the trigger and this is what you voted us in office for”.

  31. avatar Ralph says:

    Nowadays, one can find military grade tampons.

    1. avatar MyName says:

      Sounds unpleasantly rough. Also, probably don’t fit right.

      1. avatar John in AK says:

        . . . and are ridiculously expensive. They are supplied in different camouflage patterns for different branches of service, including one in blue for hiding while aboard ship. Engineer models have a very long operating handle; Air Force models have ‘wings.’ Marine Corps versions are rectangular with sharp edges. Coast Guard issue devices can also be used as handy flotation devices.
        For all branches of service, the instructions are in pictographic ‘cartoon’ form, and individual devices have large easily-read ‘arrows’ showing which end to insert.
        There is also a formal multi-page manual on supply, storage, disbursement, repair, and destruction of the devices, along with suggestions for conversion into improvised weapons, but at present it is ‘classified.’

  32. avatar tdiinva says:

    The Pre-64 and recently produced Model 70s are essentially Mauser 98s. Definitely military grade.

  33. avatar Hannibal says:

    And here I thought my M1 was “service grade”

    1. avatar MyName says:

      Not one thing wrong with a service grade M1 that I can think of.

  34. avatar Mad Max says:

    So does the P1953 Enfield, M1903, M1917, or M1 Garand fit the current definition of “military grade” or are they exempt by being “old”?

    1. avatar MyName says:

      What about my 1899 Krag-Jorgensen? It’s the only actual military arm I have. All the rest are posers.

  35. avatar Pete says:

    After reading the article, I have been convinced to burn my bow and arrow as they have military origins.
    The jury is still out on “pointed sticks”.

    1. avatar MyName says:

      How do you feel about bananas?

      1. avatar adverse5 says:

        That’s just kinky.

        1. avatar MyName says:

          Talk to the Pythons, they wrote the book on pointed sticks and bananas.

  36. avatar Draven says:

    I have a ’43 Ishy ex-sniper Mosin 91/30, and aa Yugo M24/47. both are technically ‘military grade’- for 1944.

  37. avatar Indiana Tom says:

    AR-7 for sure. AR means Assault Rifle!
    I suppose a .45 caliber Lancaster Rifle might fit the bill as well.
    Brown Bess.
    Charleville Musket.
    Endless possibilities.
    Emma Gonzalez is sexually fluid and so is her definition of military grade.

  38. avatar Oscar James III says:

    My family is fond of the S&W M&P line.

  39. avatar el Possum Guapo Herr Standartenfuher "they think we're making pizza's" Oberst von Burn says:

    Many military grade weapons, not so many military grade men

  40. avatar GunnyGene says:

    I can’t even count the many different privately owned weapons carried in VN. One I recall tho in particular was a buddy who carried a .357 Ruger Blackhawk in a shoulder holster, in addition to his issue M-14. This was in 1965-1966 in DaNang area.

  41. avatar Craig in IA says:

    Come to my house and there’s a loaded Win 97 in 12 ga resting behind the door. Looked like it belonged when I lived in a farm house for 30 years, where it dispatched various night time varmints, no need to change now even though I have plenty of other 12 ga shotguns. Not a trench gun but “military grade”. Also have a fair number of Model 12s. Lots of 12 ga pumps actually used by the military, past, present, and I hope, future. Also have a pristine S&W Model 46- you’ll have to look that one up. Then there are a pile of .22 rifles that came through DCM pre-’68 including Savage, H&R, several Springfield M1s/M1922s, and of course, 1911 and 1911 A1s. That’s only without spending any time thinking about it.

    I also agree with someone above who mentioned that “military grade” often equals “lowest bidder”. My late father-in-law was Logistics Director for RI Arsenal for many years- bid contracts on everything “from tanks to toilet paper”. Brings to mind a time some of the toilet paper seemed to have tiny, barely visible ribbons of aluminum or some shiny metal interwoven in it. The office chicks started complaining about abrasions and all that stuff. This was back in the 1960s before we had so many bottom feeders out there…

  42. avatar Nuke Road Warrior says:

    1873 Springfield Trap Door, 1911, Browning Hi-Power, et. al.

  43. avatar Tom Lane says:

    Just a couple…1911 Schmidt-Rubin G-11, Yugoslavian PAP 59/66 A-1, Saginaw M-1 carbine ( I have a 30 rnd banana for that one!) , 2 1860 Army Colts, 1 1862 Remington New model Army, 2 1851Colt Navy .36s, My 1911, and (since they were issued to the Argentine police) my Bersa Thunder ….working on getting a Yugo Mauser….(don’t scoff at the C&B revolvers, plenty of people in cemeteries because of them!).

  44. avatar Sobe says:

    Military grade, as the article states could be anything, or at least anything designed not to blow up in your face. Assault rifle has a very specific definition and the AR15 and its variants do not meet this definition in any way.

  45. avatar HL King says:

    I’m thinking “Military Grade” refers to a weapon’s reliability under less than ideal conditions. In other words, it will continue to fire reliably if it gets wet crossing a stream or disembarking a landing craft; it will continue to fire reliably if it gets caked in foxhole mud; it will continue to fire reliably well after thousands of round have been sent downrange yet the weapon has not been cleaned; it will continue to fire reliably even if the buttstock is used to crush an enemy combatant’s skull or pistol whipped a hadji to obtain information.

    My Sig P229 is ‘military grade’ but my Weatherby hunting rifle is not.

  46. Ironically, of all the weapons listed, the only one that is NOT military grade is the AR-15. It was never issued or used by any army.

    On the other hand, here are some additions to the list of U.S. Army military-grade weapons, from the Civil War and the Indian Wars:
    1858 Remington “New Army” single-action revolver.
    1860 Henry lever-action rifle in .44 Rimfire.
    1866 Winchester lever-action rifle
    1873 Winchester lever-action rifle

    All of these are “military-grade” weapons. The AR-15 is not military grade.
    Please spread these facts to the antis!

  47. avatar Bryan says:

    MIL SPEC is Military Specification. That’s the proper terminology. Anyone ever read the description of their AR? MIL SPEC this, MIL SPEC that. Then I often hear my AR is not military grade. The truth is that the minimum out there that is certifiable MIL SPEC is military grade. Why do we have these stupid discussions. If your AR doesn’t have parts MIL SPEC then it is either a complete piece of cheap junk or a very expensive custom built MSR.

    1. avatar Bruce Clark says:

      There are Mil-spec and Commercial spec types of a common AR-15. In truth the Mil-spec are generally better with the ability to fire both .223 and 5.56 ammo. But neither are Military grade. Simply put that would require a functional selector switch which would allow single shot, 3 round burst, and full auto. The mil-spec designation refers to the ability for parts interchangeably only. Mil-spec guns have most parts that you could change out to other mil-spec semi-auto AR 15 rifles and function correctly. Commercial spec guns don’t have that option. The parts in one com-spec won’t be able to replace parts in other com-spec or mil-spec rated rifles. I hope the fucking liberals never pick up on the mil-spec designation because it will only confuse the arguement even more. Which is probably their whole intent in the first place. Because to the ignorant, it’ll make them seem like they know what they’re talking about.

  48. avatar Bruce Clark says:

    As far as most 1911 pattern pistols goes, all 1911’s are mil-spec. They are exactly like those that were issued to the troops prior to the early 1980’s when the US sold out and made the mistake in going with the NATO 9mm. The US should still use the 1911 in .45 caliber as it is superior in every way to the 9mm.

    1. avatar BehindEnemyLines says:

      Thankfully, your opinion has no bearing on military arms procurement. 9x19mm is one of the oldest semi-auto pistol cartridges. It’s older than .45 ACP. If it was not a good caliber for a service sidearm, it would not have lasted so long and been adopted by 95% of military and police forces in the world. Improvements in propellant and bullet design have made the 9x19mm even more potent and the performance gap between it and .45 ACP has become increasingly irrelevant.

  49. avatar BehindEnemyLines says:

    The Glock 17 is the Austrian military’s sidearm. The Glock 19 is the UK military’s sidearm.

    Ironically, the semi-automatic only AR-15 has not been adopted by any military units.

  50. avatar Keith Pallo says:

    If it shoots a bullet it is military grade to these people!

  51. avatar Chucker says:

    Always keep in mind that civilian disarmament is the ultimate goal and that the end justifies the means to them. The definition will always be a moving target and always defined by the caprices of the moment. Remember that in Italy it is not even always the firearm but the caliber that carries at least one of the defining characteristics. Therefore 9mm, being such a widely adopted military round is defined as a military caliber and thus not suitable for civilian use.

  52. what you are all forgetting is that the US Air Force adopted the S&W m15 38 special with both the 2″ and 4″ barrel lengths and used them from the ’60s until replacing them with the berretta m9

    1. avatar Draven says:

      And the Army issued several revolvers to MPs, including the Security Six.

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