Even Iraq is realizing that Gun Control doesn’t work. Also Women are a growing segment of buyers.

Iraqui gun control civilian ownership

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According to Reuters, the national government of Iraq has changed the way it treats civilian firearms ownership in the war torn nation. After years of tight controls since the overthrow of Saddam Hussein in 2003, the government has realized the laws on selling and possession of firearms, which many Iraqis believe will decrease crime.

Iraqui gun control civilian ownership

Image courtesy Reuters

After the overthrow of Saddam, the government’s armories were looted by various militias, criminal gangs, and terrorist organizations. The law abiding public in Iraq was at the mercy of US led coalition forces and the Iraqi government. The government’s first reaction: restrict civilian ownership of guns.

Iraqui gun control civilian ownership

Image courtesy Reuters

But as reported by the NY Times back in 2006, in a country where law enforcement was virtually non-existent, the laws had little effect.

Khaliq did not have a permit to carry the AK-47 his militia had issued him. He also had many more than the authorized limit of 50 rounds. And he was well below the minimum age for carrying a gun, which is 25. “Let them try to take it from me,” said Khaliq, a muscular 17-year-old.

Now the Iraqi government has done one a one-eighty. Gone is the previous “good reputation and character” requirement for legal firearm ownership. Also gone is the requirement that firearms be used only for sport shooting and hunting.

Now personal defense is an allowable reason for to purchase and own a firearm and the country’s may-issue system has largely been scrapped.

Iraqui gun control civilian ownership

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Haider al-Suhail, a tribal sheikh from Baghdad, welcomed the legalization of gun stores.

“Yes, it will decrease crime,” he said on a visit to Maher’s shop to buy assault rifles for his ranch guards. “The criminal who plans to attack others will understand that he will pay heavy price.”

Iraqis realize that good guys with guns really do stop bad guys with guns.

Iraqui gun control civilian ownership

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“Customers are mainly men, but the number of women buyers is growing,” said Maher inside his shop, where a variety of pistols and rifles are on display. “The reason for buying is self-defence, and it’s safer for citizens to buy a weapon from an authorised store instead of from an unknown source.”

Under the new system, Iraq is now shall issue for both ownership and carry permits. Ownership of full autos is also legal. Iraqi citizens must meet the age requirements and pass a background check. Their permit card lists the actual firearms that they own and carry.

According to Mr. Maher, the price of pistols ranges between $1,000 to $4,000 and the common AK costs between $400 to $2,000 depending on the manufacturer and condition. From the photos, it looks like a lot of Turkish guns are being sold. Turkey borders Iraq and has a long trade history. Also CZ, HS2000 (XD Pistols), and Taurus appears to be selling well. Of course the AR-15 is also popular too.

Iraqui gun control civilian ownership

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So amazingly, common sense might be prevailing in some parts of the world. While sadly here in the US, some cities and states push for more restrictions. Perhaps our friends in California and New York can learn something from Iraq’s experience.

 

comments

  1. avatar JasonM says:

    Maybe they can return the favor and overthrow our repressive government.

  2. avatar Stateisevil says:

    Prior to the “glorious liberation” by the Decider -guy in 2003, Iraqis could own whatever they wanted. After we saved them from becoming prosperous we brought them gun control and burquas. And death and destruction. Nice.

    1. avatar LarryinTX says:

      Serious question, did we bring them gun control? Are US soldiers enforcing gun control laws which would be unconstitutional within the US? Because if so, that shit must STOP!!! Our soldiers do not need to enforce our constitution elsewhere, but should be prohibited from assisting dictators in confiscating/prohibiting citizens from ownership.

      1. avatar Ing says:

        Maybe not now, but during the US military occupation, gun control was very strict (like progressive wet-dream strict), and harshly enforced by the US coalition and its puppets/allies. There’s a contest-winning article on TTAG about it from a few years back by someone who was there…

      2. avatar Jon says:

        It varied per unit. My 1SG was a west Texan through and through. He did not like disarming civilians in our sector or Bagdad. He handed out our confiscated/captured AK’s and told the people to defend themselves. However, he also told people that we shoot anyone who we see shooting. That policy gave them the equipment to defend themselves really discouraged people from dumping an AK mag down the street toward the rival neighborhood. It worked really well. There was a month of violence when we enacted the rule. Then those folks realized we were not lying when we told them we would kill anyone we saw shooting. The violence calmed for several months… until the surge. Some new brass didnt like our policy. He split out company and attached the platoons to a unit more willing to submit to his backwards ROE’s.

        Ing,
        Who wrote the article? Link? Title? Im interested

  3. avatar former water walker says:

    Tell me again why we conquered I-rack?!? My son was there and he couldn’t figure it out either(he speaks Arabic). It sounds like it may be getting better(unless you were slaughtered,enslaved or raped by ISIS). Where’s MY full-auto AK???😦

    1. avatar Indiana Tom says:

    2. avatar Nanashi says:

      Banned to ensure the value of Wayne LaPierre’s collection.
      https://youtu.be/2pk2LqqqtDs?t=4m9s

      1. avatar HP says:

        Nanashi, you seriously need help. The NRA lives in your head. It’s like that game “Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon”, except for you it’s not Kevin Bacon, it’s the Wayne and the NRA.

        1. avatar Stereodude says:

          And they’re only ever one degree away.

    3. avatar Jason says:

      Why did we conquer Iraq? Well duh! – To kill over a million men women and children who were minding their own business, to spread Islamic fundamentalism and terror, and of course to make the world a less safe place for all of human kind – and we did a damn fine job of it too! Oh and I almost forgot, and to increase profits for corporate arms manufacturers who of course were only doing their part in the social contract Eisenhower described as the “military industrial congressional complex”, oh and to prove what a big man W was.

      I think that mostly covers it.

      Oh, on the bright side, sometime this fall the first US soldier will deploy to our never ending war in Iraq and Afghanistan that was not even born when 911 occurred. Who knows, maybe his or her father or mother will have been one of those who deployed back in 2003. It will give them something to talk about over the holidays. You know, all that we’ve accomplished there spreading freedom and democracy and all that.

  4. avatar Indiana Tom says:

    Also gone is the requirement that firearms be used only for sport shooting and hunting.
    With the ordnance I am seeing, that waskly wabbit doesn’t stand a chance.

  5. avatar Indiana Tom says:

    The law abiding public in Iraq was at the mercy of US led coalition forces and the Iraqi government. The government’s first reaction: restrict civilian ownership of guns.
    Hmmmm….our USA government military supporting and enforcing gun control….who would have thought?

  6. avatar billy-bob says:

    Looks like a larger selection than Kaliforniastan’s approved list.

  7. avatar Barry says:

    Hell they get to own full autos, i know we can but it’s less of a hassle and not expensive at all.

  8. avatar Ark says:

    I’d be very, VERY careful about putting myself on any kind of firearms registry in Iraq. Next time that country changes hands, you can expect guys going around with copies of that list and killing any Sunni/Shia/Kurd/etc known to possess a weapon.

    The Iraqi Army threw down their weapons and uniforms and abandoned depots full of weapons and government buildings full of records for the convenience of approaching ISIS fighters. The next band of assholes to take power will have a ready-made kill list of potential threats.

  9. avatar John says:

    I thought the rule was one gun per household to fight off burglars.

    1. avatar Jon says:

      It was. At least it was while i was there in 06-07. Sometimes we enforced it. Sometimes we confiscated everything. Sometimes we gave the deserving folks the stuff we confiscated. It really depended on the situation. I had a good 1SG. He treated every situation different and always defaulted to allowing the people to defend themselves. He is John Hatley.

      1. avatar SurfGW says:

        1 weapon with 1 magazine per house was Iraqi law, but allowing homes to keep weapons would potentially put Coalition troops in more danger next house search and lack of weapons in public was considered a measure of security. Wonder what most troops did?

  10. avatar Bob Jones says:

    Why did we get involved in Iraq ? Because Dubya was too stupid to stop Cheney and Kerry/Clinton were too skeered to refuse to approve the war. It was a joint FUBAR. It didn’t help matters that the Iraqi people preferred to kill each other instead of trying to build a tolerant peaceful nation.
    The US needs a constitutional amendment barring the U S military from placing soldiers on any territory that is not US soil. The fights cannot be won in the long run and our troops become ambush bait. “Oppressed” peoples need to fight their own battles and leave us out of it. If another nation truly threatens us, our air power is capable of reducing their technological infrastructures to a 1800’s level.

  11. avatar SurfGW says:

    Under Saddam, Sunni areas were encouraged to own guns because they were a loyal minority while Shias were mostly restricted.
    When we took over, military aged Iraqi males with weapons were targeted and the government wanted to have a “MONOPOLY ON LEGITIMATE VIOLENCE” to give it legitimacy. The Sunnis in Anbar were the most stubborn insurgents and the Anbar Awakening that brought momentary peace was when local sheiks armed their townspeople to fight Al Qaeda.
    When the Shi’a majority started to mistreat the Sunni minority, ISIS showed up in Sunni areas. Then, the Iraqi government started taking away weapons again. With ISIS receding, Sunni areas have weapons again…
    Anyone see a pattern here?

  12. avatar el Possum Guapo Herr Standartenfuher " they thought we're making pizza'" von Burn says:

    control of arms article satire

  13. avatar uncommon_sense says:

    Under the new system, Iraq is now shall issue for both ownership and carry permits. Ownership of full autos is also legal. Iraqi citizens must meet the age requirements and pass a background check. Their permit card lists the actual firearms that they own and carry.

    Seems reasonable so far …

    According to Mr. Maher, the price of pistols ranges between $1,000 to $4,000 and the common AK costs between $400 to $2,000 depending on the manufacturer and condition.

    And there you have it: only wealthy people in Iraq (the equivalent of our upper class in the United States) have that kind of money to purchase those firearms.

    Thus, Iraq’s system is allowed because only the upper class can actually participate. Same as it ever was. If the lower and middle class in Iraq could afford those firearms, Iraq would NOT have a shall-issue system.

    1. avatar SurfGW says:

      $400 dollars for an AK is 2 months income for a family; $4000 for a pistol is 2 years income.
      Similar purchasing power prices in US dollars would be $10,000 for an AK and $120,000 for a pistol.
      Only the wealthy have that kind of money and the purchasers are likely tribal sheiks or successful politician or businessmen.

      1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

        Like I said, only the wealthy can participate — which is why the Iraqi government allows it.

    2. avatar SurfGW says:

      I am agreeing with you and just putting numbers in perspective

  14. avatar Docduracoat says:

    In the first picture, the two AK’s on the bottom below the silver one look like they have sliding stocks. Could that be? I’ve never seen a sliding stock AK.
    What kind of optic is that on the AR’s?
    Looks bulky

    1. avatar Timothy says:

      Many aftermarket stocks for AKs are telescoping. My own AK has a stock that both folds and telescopes. I’ve been tempted to pick up the Magpul Zukhov stock set. It looks really nice, but I don’t have the monies for it right now.

  15. avatar Mikial says:

    I spent 2 1/2 years in Iraq, and in that time met many Iraqis and spent time in their homes with their families. Some of them had armed men walk into their homes and take what they wanted, others had to take cover as rockets land around their families, and in one case destroyed that back room of their tiny house. They have every right to defend themselves from the criminals and terrorists that abound in that country and the region. Every good person has the God given right to defend themselves and their loved ones. It can be no other way. The Liberals who are trying to take our rights should spend some time in a country like Iraq and see what happens when might makes right takes over.

  16. avatar Jim Miller says:

    We are very fortunate to have the 2nd Amendment in our US constitution still, but Democrat Capos are doing all they can to destroy it; worse yet jews like Bloomberg, Zukerberg, Soros, Schumer, Schultz, etc. are 2 face Jews who never learned the lesson of the holocaust as they are all pro Disarm and Opress, Hitler ‘d be very proud of them.

  17. avatar Alfonso A Rodriguez Borrero says:

    Gun prohibition in Iraq is like trying to give speeding tickets at the Indy 500: a useless gesture at minimum and idiotic proposal at best just like in the US. Molon Labe Strawberry Shortcakes, I will stick with Bitch Pudding. You have to watch Robot Chicken for that one.

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