Pro 2A LGBT vs Anti 2A LGBT: Apparently I’m a Racist

It took less than a week for the anti-gun factions of the LGBT community here in San Diego to attack the actions that I detailed in my last article, raising the rainbow Gadsden flag over a local pawn shop and gun store. While a few clueless TTAG commenters were busy accusing me and my non-partisan pro-2A group of mostly libertarians of being radical ANTIFA leftists for attempting to grow the 2A community, actual radical leftists were busy accusing my group and me of being racist.

Here are a few choice comments from the far left:

“The NRA is a known white supremacist organization”

“My girlfriend and I walked past the (LGBT Gadsden flag) last week and were disgusted and scared because that flag is used by white supremacists”…

“Piper is a racist boot licking right winger”

“Piper is a known bully who makes LGBT individuals in this city feel extremely unsafe”

“You’ve made a mistake in thinking that I believe the constitution has any value”

I expected some level of opposition from these adult children on the 2A issue. It’s become the norm. I was not expecting to be called a racist for finding inspiration in the Gadsden Flag.

I see this flag as the symbolic embodiment of the willingness to defend life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness from all who would aggress upon those innate human rights.

After posting screenshots of the whining social justice warriors’ comments, I considered how best to respond. The answer: a range day was in order.

A range day where, after being called racist for facilitating armed self-defense training of LGBT individuals and growing the 2A community, I would facilitate the arming and training of an 18-year-old Jewish trans woman with a Kar 98k Mauser that has been traced back to having been used in WWII by the Nazis.

It’s never been in better hands.

The Nazis rounded up Jewish and LGBT individuals not all that long ago and I don’t think the elements of our fundamental human nature that allowed that to happen have evaporated quite yet. I firmly believe that #NeverAgain doesn’t mean anything unless you’re prepared to enforce it.

So once again, we keep calm, and we carry on.

I know we’re fighting for what’s right and I think even the most ardent of those who hate us know that too.

 

Piper Smith is the founder & executive director of Armed Equality.

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comments

  1. avatar Cruzo1981 says:

    We don’t need LGBT-whatever politics in the 2A community. We don’t want or need any special look at me groups. Either you are for 2A or you aren’t. We don’t need any separate groups or more division.

    1. avatar Bloving says:

      I agree with you in spirit – but for a number of wrong reasons (and maybe one or two right ones), some folks of one demographic or another don’t feel entirely welcome under the NRA banner…. thus we have the Pink Pistols, NAAGA, Armed Equality and all the various state-level pro-civil rights groups.
      I’ve often said to the NRA detractors, there is no rule that states one can only belong to one organization at a time.
      I’ve always felt that the NRA would be well served to send a representative to a smaller groups meeting or rally and ask to speak to the members – not to draw off members but to welcome them to the fight as fellow People of the Gun.
      🤠

      1. avatar JKM says:

        Well said!! 👊👍🇺🇸

        1. avatar CC says:

          the opposite is also true, how much outreach has Piper done to the NRA? And do we expect, or want, the NRA to have identity politics subgroupings and “outreach efforts” and create sub-groupings of Italian Americans gun owners, Native American gun owners, Jewish gun owners, Christian gun owners, Muslim gun owners, married gun owner,s pro or anti legal marijuana gun owners??

          At my local IWLA we have NRA get togethers often. It is chock full of black NRA members, white ones, Hispanic ones, openly gay ones, US born ones, immigrant ones, etc. I don’t think it is a good idea to break these all up into separate subgroups.

          In recent postings, Piper claims the data shoes she needs a gun more, that is one of her talking points about having a “special” need — but the data SHOW the OPPOSITE. She herself has used bigoted swipes in previous articles. her last article she implied “white males” are the most intolerant of gays and more common perpetrators of intolerance, hate speech and violence against gays.

          I posted the clear data from numerous studies by major surveying groups, showing both Hispanic and black males are MUCH more intolerant of gays than white males are. Also the crime data show blacks and Hispanics are also MUCH more likely to perpetrate violence against gays. Black males and Hispanic males are more likely to oppose gay marriage, engage in anti-gay hate speech, assault gays, and kill gays.

          And what is with the term “white Christian” when the data show Muslims are much more broadly and sharply intolerant of gays as well.

          As far as her claim that as a gay woman she is more subject to violence, the last time she wrote that I gave the data showing this is 100% false. Straight men, raw or per capita, are way more likely to be victims of murder, aggravated assault than women are, gay or straight. The vast majority of US murder victims are men, not women.

          Lastly Piper has also claimed trans persons are more likely to be murdered. That is not so simple. Data show that trans persons NOT engaged in prostitution are NOT more likely to be murder or violence victims than straight persons. What is going on with trans persons being victims of violence is is a HUGE proportion are the sex trade, and at risk from that.

          So I support Piper’s rights all around. My personal view is 100% supprotive of gay rights like any other personal choice or inclination. Even though she is a bigot, and a bigot who wont bother to apologize or even answer, when cited sources showing she is wrong.

      2. avatar LJPII says:

        What does sex have to do with the 2nd Amendment? Keep your sexual preferences out of the conversation.

        1. avatar cc says:

          what does hunting have to do with it? yet the other side is saying hunters don’t all support the NRA. Hunting has nothing to do with the second amendment as well.

        2. avatar California Richard says:

          Gay dudes are in to dudes…. strait women are in to dudes…. do you harrass the woman shooting groups when they post here too? The fact of the matter is there are people out there (like you) who are triggered by the presence of gay folks. So, until it isn’t an issue with you, then it will continue to be an issue. So quit being such a snowflake and calm down Francis. Be happy that we have advocates for freedom and good sense in a community which overwhelmingly votes for politicians who are against 2nd amendment rights.

    2. avatar Ingenero says:

      That’s really the opposite of the point. This is more trying to combat the attempts to put the LGBT community into the Leftist Anti-2A box, and show them that self defense is a human right, not a Straight White Christian Male right like they’ve been told. I don’t have problems with Pink Pistols or Women’s self-defense classes any more than I do any other attempt to unite people around an idea. Reaching out to people where they are isn’t dividing them, it’s just good politics. It’s also fundamentally different than the left’s attempt to subdivide America into tiny groups to fight with each other for scraps from the Government’s table – this isn’t about telling them they’re special and need to be given special treatment, it’s about helping them understand how these rights can unite us, and protect everyone.

      1. avatar Sam I Am says:

        “This is more trying to combat the attempts to put the LGBT community into the Leftist Anti-2A box,…”

        Given a choice between unlimited 2A, or a constitutional amendment that requires jail time for anyone who offends a member of LGBTQQIAAP nation, it would be instructive to learn how many would abolish 2A.

        1. avatar Joe R. says:

          Is this a LGBT request for support because of 2A? Or an offer of [new] support for the 2A, because LGBT don’t typically support the 2A?

          Or . . .?

        2. avatar Sam I Am says:

          ” It is not the flag of any well-known hate group, nor is it commonly used by any hate group.”

          Not exactly true. It was a flag used by the racist, bigoted, white supremacist vandals who colonized this continent, and established a whites-only nation that refused to recognize indigenous peoples and black slaves as legitimate humans with the same rights as white folks. Racist, hateful white folks. On top of which, the US is responsible for all the death and destruction in the world since before the nation was even founded.

          See the problem? The fake problem?

        3. avatar New Continental Army says:

          Yeah, I get what you’re saying. The whole “America is the embodiment of evil” line of thought. Or like the new leftist phrase who claim the “US is actually worse than Nazi Germany because the US has been around for 250 years and Nazi Germany only 13.” What a crock of shit. The US has by far been the most inclusive, most giving, and most justified country to ever exist. That’s why the left hates it.

      2. avatar Joe R. says:

        ” not a Straight White Christian Male right like they’ve been told. . . .”

        Ya. And who’s been telling you that? Don’t say something stupid like ‘some Straight White Christian Male’ because we all know that’s bullshit.

        1. avatar Terclinger says:

          EXACTLY.

          And while I have no desire to deny 2A rights to people based on their bedroom habits, I will not spend time around people who promote mental illness in our society and specifically in our schools.

          Gender dysphoria is a serious mental illness, and catering to and celebrating “trans” as “normal” is as dangerous for society as would be promoting people who cut off their limbs, because “we don’t want to insult, and should celebrate and emulate those who have lost a limb or were born without one!”.

    3. avatar S in FL says:

      “We don’t want or need any special look at me groups.”

      This type sentiment is what drives people away from support of the 2A. You do not understand that there is no division between the 2A community and the United States community as a whole. Through your remark, you have alienated anyone and everyone that does not already identify as a supporter of the 2A. This exclusivity that your comment implies is exactly the reason people resent the idea of supporting the 2A. You cannot refuse people because they look, act, or smell different from yourself.

      Instead, I welcome anyone interested in the support of the 2A and everything that entails. Read the other Amendments and you’ll see the Founding Father’s endeavored to ingrain this idea of inclusiveness in our unprecedented and singular society.

      Support for the Second Amendment, as well as the Constitution, is open and welcome to any culture, sub-culture, organization, or individual.

      1. avatar Sam I Am says:

        Two observations:
        Not fully comprehending your intent here – “You do not understand that there is no division between the 2A community and the United States community as a whole. ”

        Second, S in FL seems to be saying he welcomes everyone into the 2A support group, but objects to identity politics as being any element of that support. Especially people who have shown an irresistible urge to shove lifestyle in everyone’s faces. Welcome to support of the natural and human right to self-defense, but I don’t need to hear that you believe you are some sort of special person who requires acknowledgement. If objecting to group politics is divisive, it is the group who created the division, not the rest of us.

        1. avatar Just Sayin says:

          ^well…
          “…but I don’t need to hear that you believe you are some sort of special person who requires acknowledgement. If objecting to group politics is divisive, it is the group who created the division, not the rest of us.”
          I agree that you have the right to express your viewpoint.
          Although I believe that you argue from a point of ignorance.
          Most groups that seek acknowledgement have experienced (personal) lifetimes (decades/centuries(?)) of suppression.
          I, personally, know of this experience. I also understand your viewpoint, as I have held this same position.. And I can tell you with some assurance that it is your own personal challenge to rise above your current level of knowledge and, with some degree of humility, come to see that it is not “the group” that creates division. It is the steadfast refusal to grow intellectually and culturally as an individual that creates this illusion of division. Steadfast adherence to any dogma w/o any attempt of intro or extrospection is what defines bigotry and insolence.

        2. avatar Sam I Am says:

          “It is the steadfast refusal to grow intellectually and culturally as an individual that creates this illusion of division. Steadfast adherence to any dogma w/o any attempt of intro or extrospection is what defines bigotry and insolence.”

          Making it incumbent on the groups you identify to grow beyond their ignorance of “now”, get over yesterday, and move on with their rights. Continuing to wallow in grievance does not prosper anyone, under any circumstance. What you seem to be supporting is an undefined period of retribution, making things even. But that period never seems to end, and retribution is never of sufficient carnage to satisfy.

          But, I still do not apprehend, “You do not understand that there is no division between the 2A community and the United States community as a whole. ” On the face of it, there is enormous division between the 2A community and the US community as a whole. Help me rise above my ignorance.

          BTW, my ancestors were brutalized, and nearly extinguished by the Angles, Picts and Normans. I have no grudge against the English or France because if it. That was then, and this a very long “now” since those ancient times.

    4. avatar New Continental Army says:

      Being gay doesn’t automatically enlist someone into left wing politics. The left has simply manipulated the media into expressing that. It is in fact prejudice on the part of the left, and the media, to push that narrative. There are plenty of gay conservatives and libertarians. What we need to be attacking here is the left, and the media, for creating a situation where a gay person cannot expresses their political beliefs safely, because if they fail to tow the leftist line, they are threatened or worse. This has occurred in the black community as well, as any black person walking off the democrat plantation is often considered a “race traitor.” The modern day left and its media counterpart has very much in common with neo Nazis and the klan.

      1. avatar anonymoose says:

        Hell, being black and getting an education or a real job is seen as being a “race traitor.”

        1. avatar Chris T from KY says:

          That has been very true in the black community for decades now. Very sad. But I think it has started to change in the last ten years. Mainly from social media were like minded people who believe in hard work and education can come together.
          And coming together on 2A as well.

    5. avatar rosignol says:

      While I agree that divisions are bad, factions are a fact of human society, and when people are getting an introduction to something new, they are generally going to be more comfortable doing it with other people who are similar to them.

      Hopefully, over the long term they will transition to thinking the things the community has in common- such as support for the 2nd A- is more important than the differences.

    6. avatar Jeff says:

      Yes, let’s wait for the schools to teach history, critical thinking, the Constitution, the 2A, and basic knowledge about guns and public policy. And then for those students to care enough to pay attention, and their parents to reinforce with strong values. Then they will come to us as another 2A supporter.

      Or, we could live in this universe and realize that’s not happening, and reach out to help teach people these things and why the 2A matters to THEM.

    7. avatar Old Fur Trapper says:

      Well, whether you like it or not, it’s here to stay. And with the way things are going on the anti gun front, the more votes from everyone regardless of preferences, that support the Constitution and Bill of Rights, especially the 2A, the better! Power in numbers at the polls is the key to winning our fight! And besides, how in hell would you know anyway what their gender is? Polls are blind. They don’t ask what a person’s gender is. If the LGBT community wants to enter in and VOTE FOR THE 2A we all were promised, WTF would it matter as long as our rights are preserved and the anti gunners are defeated.

      1. avatar Sam I Am says:

        The “issue” regarding LGBXXXXXXXX is that even that special interest group is covered by the Second Amendment. There is nothing positive to be gained by declaring LGBXXXX as an identifier for a “special” group of gun owners. If 2A protects the rights of everyone, then everyone has no need to plead special circumstances. If a particular group believes they are not protected by the constitution, they are welcome to believe that and act accordingly.

        Regarding the Second Amendment, there are only two identities that matter: for, or against. When I show up at a pro-2A rally, you have no need to know anything else about me. For, or against, the rest is irrelevant. Me telling you that I am also XYZ neither enhances, nor diminishes my natural, civil and human right to KBA. You don’t even need to know if I am plus or minus about NRA, and I have no right to expect heightened respect if I proclaim membership in this or that.

        1. avatar LarryinTX says:

          I can get along with that, just fine.

    8. avatar Arc says:

      Gays, Bis, and Furs, sure… But the LGBT crowd is a rabid political extremist group, don’t need any part of them. Although its good they are getting tooled up, rights belong to everyone.

      It may be hard to see the boundaries between the groups from the outside, but LGBTQs and SJWs can be spotted a mile away. Non-heteros are less than 3% of the entire US population, we stand to lose a lot more support from conservatives, libertarians, independents, etc, than we could ever gain from the left by associating with LGBT.

      Yes, I know what LGBTQ+ stands for, but ‘normal gays, BIs, etc’ are distancing themselves more and more from it because its essentially been hijacked by the freak show.

      – a furry.

    9. avatar Eddie Hubbard says:

      You are so right. Screw all the special interest groups. They are really just causing all the problems here in the US because they all want to get their way just like a little kid. In fact that is the real problem with all these whine bag groups. Their moms & dads didn’t whoop their ass’s & teach them discipline. So they all just act like little kids screaming & yelling to get their way. I say tie them to the whipping post & go to work. I had my fair share of ass whoopin’s growing up & I have never caused any trouble in my life. I learned the meaning of Respect & Discipline the hard way from my Dad, a WW2 Veteran & my Mother & it stuck with me. In return my kids learned the same way I did because I taught it to them just like I had been. Of course today the wimps would holler child abuse, huh.

  2. avatar Newb says:

    It’s a civil liberties issue, not a right or left one. Keep up the good work!

    1. avatar Joe R. says:

      Wat?

      If it’s “not a right or left” [issue],

      THEN YOU ARE NOT JUST A NEW-B, YOU ARE OUTCHA DAMN MIND. (rinos notwithstanding)

      1. avatar Newb says:

        Rather, it should not be a left or right issue. That it’s become one is a problem.

        1. avatar Just Sayin says:

          ^+1k
          You are correct sir!

    2. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      NewB,

      Actually, it is a FEELINGS issue in the minds of Progressives and Leftists.

      They are fighting for their FEELINGS. Civil liberties and right-versus-wrong has no bearing in their minds because FEELINGS are all that matters.

  3. avatar Shire-man says:

    How the left managed to convince enclaves of oppressed minorities to rally for their own disarmament I’ll never know. Kudos for that. For turning racism into a meme as well. Nobody can take that label seriously anymore.

    1. avatar C.S. says:

      Just look at Venezuela for your answer. The best protest the slaves could do was to _not_ vote…

  4. avatar Don From CT says:

    Cruzo – the simple fact is that many LGBT folks do not feel comfortable (rightly or wrongly) in the testosterone filled, right leaning, traditional gun culture.

    I’m rabidly libertarian and straight and I’ve been helping give instruction to the local Pink Pistols chapter over the last year. Its been instructive to them and me. The fear is real, whether the justification is real or not is debatable.

    Either way, I’m happy to help many formerly anti-gun people discover that the 2A is for everyone. Not just white men. Its funny. Prior to Trump, my liberal friends would say things to me like “Oh yeah, you are going to resist a tank and F22 with an AR15??”.

    Now they are saying “We want an AR15 just in case”. Its quite the civics lesson.

    Too much government power is still too much government power even if its your guy in office.

    1. avatar burley says:

      You said: “Too much government power is still too much government power even if its your guy in office.”
      I say: AMEN! It’s amazing how many leftists now seem to agree with that statement.

    2. avatar Ralph says:

      “many LGBT folks do not feel comfortable (rightly or wrongly) in the testosterone filled, right leaning, traditional gun culture.”

      It’s good to know that stereotypes can survive all attempts at logic. Thanks for the reminder, Don.

      1. It’s also good to know that the denial of stereotypes’ accuracy and/or usefulness can survive all attempts at logic. Thanks for the reminder, Ralph.

      2. avatar Ardent says:

        Exactly this; There isn’t one among them who has even heard of anyone being killed for being gay because it basically never happens. Pulse? The shooter was gay, doesn’t count…anyone else? Nope, because it just doesn’t happen. Tie that to the absurdity of the idea that straight people are all so homicidally homophobic that we will kill people in gunshops, classes and at the range….are you listening to this garbage?

        I have to doubt the wisdom of arming and training people that paranoid. I personally wouldn’t arm someone who was afraid of being attacked for having blond hair, and I’m not arming a group of gays who are afraid of gun shop clerks and pistol instructors. That level of paranoia isn’t the mark of a healthy mind.

        Now, if we are talking they would rather approach it as a group, fine, but the minute someone suggests that straight people kill gay people because homophobia, we are putting that garbage to bed before we proceed, or in out on supporting that class.

        1. avatar jwtaylor says:

          Never heard of anyone killed because they were gay? Have you never heard of Matthew Shepard? That was huge national news. One of his murderers, Aaron McKinney, specifically stated that he killed Shepherd in a rage because Shepherd came on to him. He actually used that as a defense.

        2. @jwtaylor – The Matthew Shepard case is not quite what it first appeared. Although the defense atty argued that Shepard’s sexual orientation, and that he “came on” to one of his assailants/killers put him into such a rage that he was not aware of what he was doing, the prosecutor argued that Shepard’s two assailants posed as gay themselves in order to get Shepard alone to rob him. There may have been drugs involved, but that’s not clear. One of the assailant’s girlfriend recanted her statement to police that the whole thing was a homophobic hate crime and that it really was a simple robbery that got way out of control.

          Personally, I don’t know what actually happened other than that two evil people ferociously assaulted and ended up killing someone who didn’t deserve it. But the evidence presented, incomplete and biased though it was, suggests that to call it all simply a hate-motivated crime is not correct.

        3. avatar Curtis in IL says:

          JWTaylor: The Matthew Shepard murder made the national news because, well, it doesn’t happen every day. A single data point does not indicate a trend. Even if you throw in the Pulse Club massacre, statistically a gay person’s odds of being murdered in the U.S. are no worse than straight people. People have been murdered for many, many stupid reasons.

        4. avatar jwtaylor says:

          Alan, I completely agree that it was a robbery that got out of hand. But his murderer said that the reason it got out of hand was because he came on to him.
          Curtis, no, one national news item does not make a trend. But Ardent said that no one could name one. One was pretty well nationally known.

        5. avatar Pro2AGunMaker says:

          Here’s a whole list of people who were killed because of their sexual orientation or gender identity in 2017

          https://tdor.info/

        6. avatar pwrserge says:

          Objection, assumes facts not in evidence. Someone with an odd “gender identity” getting killed does not prove that they were killed BECAUSE of their “gender identity”.

        7. avatar LarryinTX says:

          Hey, Pro2A, cool list, I’ve never seen that one before. Did ya notice the dominance of Brazil? Amazing!

    3. avatar Jeh says:

      Discounting the fact that in a civil war scenario we’d have our own armor//arty/aircraft through defection, Tanks dont work too well in alot of environments like mountains, thick forest, marshes, swamps, ect. As for F22s and most aircraft for that matter……too much collateral damage. The first time a smart bomb obliterates half a small town that wanted no part of the conflict, huge uproars and likely collusion with the other side follows.

      1. avatar LarryinTX says:

        Pee on the small town. F-22 pilots are people like everyone else. Imagine, if you will, a Wing Commander who sends an F-22 out to bomb that small town, then discovers that the F-22 is headed back his way. After it drops its bombs on his headquarters and then strafes the flight line damaging or destroying other F-22s, and the pilot punches out of his **$350 MILLION** airplane, try to guess when the next F-22 sortie will be! Those arguments are always stupid, will never happen. I say that as a retired USAF pilot. Won’t happen. No commander would be stupid enough to order it. Few pilots would obey such an order.

  5. avatar surlycmd says:

    The leftist echo chamber is vast and cavernous. California is the deepest part of it. Good luck! Most of all, thanks for your efforts.

  6. avatar Survivordude1090 says:

    My feelings toward the LGBT community can be summed up as “Not my circus, not my monkeys”, but if you’re willing to spread the word of Saint John Moses Browning and the Second Amendment, welcome aboard.

  7. avatar Alexander says:

    I wouldn’t worry about being called a “racist” – the term is meaningless now; it’s like saying “I’m thirsty” or something like that.

    1. avatar Phil Wilson says:

      The term “racist” has been re-defined by leftists to essentially mean: “Anything that deviates in any particular from current leftist dogma.”

      Which leaves the apparent paradox that NOT judging individuals by the color of their skin can be “racist,” and judging people by the color of their skin can be “not racist,” depending on who is being judged and who is judging*.

      *Subject to change at any moment

      1. avatar LarryinTX says:

        Correct. Obama is/was clearly a racist, try and convince any black person of that and you’ll get a hundred different excuses why he cannot be, not one who says “well, yeah, but” even.

    2. avatar Unknownsailor says:

      Always keep in mind that labels like “racist” are used to morally disqualify the arguments of the accused. It doesn’t have to be true, doesn’t have to be proved, and the accuser doesn’t have to show any evidence. Once accused, you no longer are on the same moral plane of the accuser, therefore your arguments, whatever they are, are no longer as MORAL as theirs, therefore they are irrelevant and evil.

      This is the game the left plays now. They do not argue policy, they do not present evidence, they exclusively try to frame every political debate in purely moral terms. Examples from the last 20 years abound. TV ads that depict Republicans trying to throw grandma off a cliff. Claims that Republicans love guns more than children. The examples are endless.

      DO NOT FALL FOR IT.

      Call them on it every time they do it. “Do you always try to morally discredit your debate opponent instead of stating your case and defending it?”

  8. avatar Desert Ranger Tycho says:

    Great article. I have many LBGT friends who I have been encouraging to learn how to defend themselves with firearms.
    What interests me is where is the tipping point where someone who is LBGT (or another minority) gives up on leftist, antigun political agendas in favor of exercising their right to self defense. Knowing better when this occurs is the tools we need to grow the 2a movement and family.

    1. avatar Mark N. says:

      The tipping point comes when they suddenly realize that the Democratic Party is trying to keep them unarmed, helpless, and victimized as it has done for other minority groups for the last 150 years, and that its claims that it is doing so “for the public good” is a lie.

      1. avatar Stereodude says:

        So, never then… Cause I mean the black community is what 50-60 years ahead of them and they are still the most reliable democrat voting block.

  9. avatar Garrison Hall says:

    It’s wrong to automatically assume that any LBGT person is a member of The Left. Sexual orientation and political affiliation are two entirely different things. They are not at all inherently inclusive. I tend to be libertarian about such things—as long as it doesn’t involve little kids, I don’t base my friendships on who you happen to love or who you choose to sleep with. Over the years I’ve expected. and usually received, similar acceptance from my LBGT friends. So welcome.

  10. avatar TommyG says:

    Wanting to take responsibility for defending yourself is a hard road these days. Keep the faith Piper.

  11. avatar Sam I Am says:

    This is what always happens when flawed people (in groups) demand purity tests, of which the (flawed) pious are the only judges. The the leftist revolution always comes for the original leftist revolutionists.

    No matter your belief system, there will always be an inquisition.

    “You’ve made a mistake in thinking that I believe the constitution has any value”
    – whoever posted this should be made a hero of the revolution; the truth teller of the Left.

    1. avatar DrewR says:

      “You’ve made a mistake in thinking that I believe the constitution has any value”

      Whoever posted that should willingly give up their Constitutionally protected freedoms, then we’ll see how they feel.

  12. avatar Ralph says:

    All LGBTQ people are NOT left-wing Democrats.

    They just vote that way.

    1. avatar Sam I Am says:

      Afraid the author of this post, and all the commenters who use LGBT, or LGBTQ, demonstrate their unseriousness by not being up to speed on designations. According to “Pink News”, the proper acronym is LGBTQQIAAP.
      (https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/11/06/how-has-the-lgbt-acronym-evolved/)

      We POTG insist on proper nomenclature for everything else, we must remain vigilant in the use of accurate terminology for other communities.

      1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

        Sam I Am,

        I think we should simply replace all of the perversion acronyms with the all-encompassing and simple acronym: Anything Goes Sexually — AGS.

        1. avatar Sam I Am says:

          “I think we should simply replace all of the perversion acronyms with the all-encompassing and simple acronym: Anything Goes Sexually — AGS.”

          Great idea; covers the waterfront. Simple and elegant.

      2. avatar Arc says:

        I usually just call it LGBTQ+WTFBBQSAUCE

    2. avatar former water walker says:

      You WIN the interwebz Ralph! Like black folks claiming “support me!😄”

    3. avatar Indiana Tom says:

      All LGBTQ people are NOT left-wing Democrats.

      They just vote that way.

      Majority of them do.

      1. avatar Joel says:

        “All LGBTQ people are NOT left-wing Democrats. They just vote that way. Majority of them do.”

        Hence the almost ubiquitous conflict between LGBTQ and the 2A. Sadly, political lines of affiliation have become so disparate that to choose a side on one issues becomes a de facto support of that side’s position on just about everything else. Is 2A more important than another cause? If so, the community ought to vote that way. If it isn’t, then the continued votes for those on the left are continued votes against the 2A. These days there really is no middle ground. For me, the 2A is the most important issue, so I’m willing to compromise on other issues and live with traits and actions that I don’t like from multiple politicians because their support (while not always consistent) for the 2A is stronger than the alternative.

  13. avatar Bob Watson says:

    ” I would facilitate the arming and training of an 18-year-old Jewish trans woman with a Kar 98k Mauser that has been traced back to having been used in WWII by the Nazis.”
    You have to admit, Piper has style and a keen sense of humor.

    1. avatar Ingenero says:

      I love the irony. And the K98 is a classic, so it’s great on all fronts…

  14. avatar jwtaylor says:

    There are no racist origins or undertones of the Gadsden flag. It was not used by Confederate States, it has been used by the United States military, and specifically the United States Navy since we became a nation. It is not the flag of any well-known hate group, nor is it commonly used by any hate group.
    These people are idiots.

    1. avatar Geoff "Mess with the Bull, get the Horns" PR says:

      JWT, “Racist” just doesn’t mean what you and I and a whole lot of others thought it meant for all those years.

      That term has be so cheapened in the interest of scoring cheap ‘points’ that it is now *meaningless*.

      Thank you, Leftist scum. Look what you’ve done. Are you proud? You have taken one of the sharpest weapons and made it meaningless…

  15. avatar Stereodude says:

    “I was not expecting to be called a racist for finding inspiration in the Gadsden Flag.”

    Clearly Piper has no idea who and what she’s up against if this was a surprise to her.

  16. avatar Manse Jolly says:

    Instead of arguing/fighting about who sleeps with who, we should be arguing/fighting about what pistol caliber is superior, whether Glocks are inferior to CZs, and of course, do you own a 6.5 Creedmoor or not.

    thats just my take on life in general.

    1. avatar Ingenero says:

      Precisely. The Beatified Gaston Glock’s crowd has nearly excommunicated the followers of Saint John Moses Browning over the use of the Blessed .45 in their rights of Nihilation rather than the use of the Holy 9mm with its greater Sacred Capacity. And the Acolytes of the Righteous 6.5 Creedmore are trying to convert the unworthy to their order. I’m getting popcorn, that’s the fight I want to see.

      1. avatar Just Sayin says:

        Thanks for making me laugh out loud.
        🤓👍

  17. avatar MyPrettyAR15 says:

    Thanks for the good work that you do. The more diverse the gun community is the harder it will be for politicians to take them away. I’m trying to wrap my mind around a legislator, probably a liberal one, trying to convince this young woman she doesn’t need a gun. Oddly enough in Massachusetts where I am, I oftentimes see more diversity at the gun range than I do at any gathering of extreme left wing SJWs. This way I know that 2A is safe for the foreseeable future.

    1. avatar Geoff "Mess with the Bull, get the Horns" PR says:

      ” Oddly enough in Massachusetts where I am, I oftentimes see more diversity at the gun range than I do at any gathering of extreme left wing SJWs.”

      That’s pretty much the same here in central Florida. Once at the range, the alternative lifestyle folks discover what acceptance really looks like, instead of what they thought it looks like…

      1. avatar Just Sayin says:

        ^ A big amen from SW Fla.

  18. avatar uncommon_sense says:

    I know we’re fighting for what’s right and I think even the most ardent of those who hate us know that too.

    No Piper. Gun grabbers are fighting for their FEELINGS. They have no timeless, objective standards of right or wrong. Their feelings — whatever they might be — are their standard. Please adjust your strategy accordingly.

  19. avatar DrewR says:

    As I said in the last article I want all law abiding Americans to be armed. 2A rights shouldn’t be a Left/Right issue, in fact there should be no Left/Right issues. The fact that we are locked in a two party oligarchical system is not just a failing of Government officials, it is a failure of we the people. Just in the last 25 years we’ve seen the left go further left and the right go further right than ever before to the point where 60% of voters didn’t support either candidate in the 2016 election. We need to find a way to break the two party system and stop voting for the “lesser of two evils,” but instead actually get to vote for someone that you actually support. Also all State primaries should be on the same day, by the time MTs primary came around it literally didn’t matter, the candidates had already been chosen. Anyway, that’s just my take.

    1. avatar Shallnot BeInfringed says:

      Amen! I’ll second everything you wrote here, I wholeheartedly agree.

      Republicans and Democrats are opposite sides of the same coin, frantically doing everything in their power to ensure no “third party” breaks their precious duopoly.

      Unfortunately Democrats are blindly driving this country toward the edge of a cliff at breakneck speed… while Republicans are going about it a bit slower, but we’re still headed inexorably over the brink unless something changes – soon.

    2. avatar Warlocc says:

      Winner winner chicken dinner.

  20. avatar Andrew Lias says:

    2A is for everyone who wants to be left to their freedom. Self defense should know no demographics. If we have to advertise that some, so be it.

  21. avatar Sam I Am says:

    I was, like, all “get your nomenclature right”, and found I was wrong, too. Took a slap in the back of the head from myself.

    According to news out of Wesleyan University (Middletown, CT), the correct acronym is LGBTTQQFAGPBDSM (not going to break that down).
    [https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/21404/]

    Sorry.

    My bad.

  22. avatar pwrserge says:

    You lost me when you combined the Gadsden Flag with the flag of a totalitarian hate group. You’re gay? I literally do not have a number for the number of shits I do not give. You think that being gay lets you create special “rights” out of thin air and override the will of the majority of voters? Now I care. The second the Gaystapo started persecuting christians and overriding the democratic process in the pursuit of imaginary “rights” is the moment I had nothing but contempt for the “gay rights” movement. You want to support the 2nd amendment? Welcome aboard, but find a flag that hasn’t been used to persecute thousands of people.

    1. avatar Ingenero says:

      I’ll give you a number: sounds like 0. Or negative. Though I don’t know how negative sh**s work.

      But seriously, I get where you’re coming from. I guess I (and possibly others) don’t see the rainbow flag as representing the nutcase Gay Supremicist movement, but more the community in general. I do have a severe problem with the current aims of forcing everyone to not simply leave them alone, but comply with the desire to do everything they want (bake me a cake, let me have my wedding in your church, agree with what I do, tell your kids they should be like me). I also get that the Supremes once again made up a new right (one I think could and should reasonably be granted in a different form by legislatures, but the People can’t be trusted to do what Justice Kennedy’s penumbras tell him to do). But I get the impression this is more a fringe movement, though figuring that out is hard (see how to lie with polls…).

      1. avatar Indiana Tom says:

        People out in reality world see the Rainbow flag as a special But Some Animals Are More Equal Than Others flag.

      2. avatar Ing says:

        Constipation. That’s how negative sh!ts work.

    2. avatar Rosen Otter says:

      Poor christians, oppressed by the existence of homosexuals all over the world. Because, Christians never did a thing to gays, amirite?

  23. avatar JW says:

    Welcome to the struggle! 🙂

  24. avatar RedRed says:

    Call it what you want, but that is NOT the Gadsden Flag. Everything HAS to be about THEM, doesn’t it?

    1. avatar Sargon says:

      The world revolves around their ‘feelings’, which change as the wind blows. The politics of perversion know no rest, and victimhood is forever

  25. avatar Rocketman says:

    Piper, I’m with you although I’m a straight white libertarian male. You might want to remind those calling you a racist that when the state of Israel was founded after WW2 they used the same bolt action Mauser 98k’s that the Nazi’s had, and the first Israel air force partly consisted of ex-Nazi Me-109’s that went up against Egyptian spitfires obtained from the British. They shot down the spitfires in carload lots too.

    1. avatar Ingenero says:

      So it took the Jews to correctly use the Nazi’s equipment. I love historical irony.

  26. avatar TroutsBane says:

    The government does not protect our lives ( South vs Maryland (1855) – Castle Rock vs. Gonzales (2005). Anyone who tries to deny you of your ability to self defense should be told to take a long walk off a short bridge.

  27. avatar Indiana Tom says:

    Just an observation:
    In the UK, the LGBT community is protesting against Muslim Sharia Law, and so the Antifa is defending the Muslims and wants to bash the LGBTers.
    I always thought the Progtards would eventually throw the LGBT community under the bus while the Muslims threw them off the buildings.

  28. avatar Will says:

    You can’t reason with the unreasonable.

  29. Citizens’ rights are all-inclusive and ought to transcend any categorical preferences, identities, or affinities. As a rights-based group, the 2A community should be able to wholeheartedly support the recognition of that right for all citizens, without reservation or fear that doing so confers or connotes endorsement of other unrelated agendas.

    1. avatar pwrserge says:

      When they fly a flag of an international totalitarian terrorist organization, we’ve moved well beyond “fear”.

      1. Apologies for not being sufficiently explicit, PWRSERGE. I wasn’t suggesting we should support 2A rights for criminals and terrorists.

    2. avatar Michael Ross pearce says:

      I understand marginalized communities forming their own groups to serve their communities, and if it brings them to the 2nd Amendment table that’s all to the good. But to see NRA members bitching about them having a ‘social agenda’ when the current NRA leadership is claiming we are fighting a ‘culture war’ and embracing racist and authoritarian figures? Oh fuck off. The NRA is neck-deep in extremist politics, and if you don’t see that you’re probably part of the problem.

      People in the LGBT community by and large simply want equal treatment under the law- and I am all for that. Equal treatment, BTW, should not be considered a ‘special right.’ No, I do not think that members of the LGBT community should be allowed to force people to engage in business with them when it isn’t a matter of life and death, include them in private social organizations like churches etc. But they should not be discriminated against in the public (government/law-enforcement) arena either.

      I want to preserve the 2nd Amendment, and I’ll embrace any well-intentioned person or group that wants to help instead of bitching because I don’t like who they sleep with or what they think about other social issues. No, I do not consider extremists or supremacists of any stripe to be ‘well-intentioned.’

      1. avatar Christopher Bingham says:

        Yup. Oliver North as the president of the NRA? A guy convicted of selling arms to our enemies in order fund death squads in Nicaragua. Yeah, he got himself unconvicted. He still did it. Not ashamed of it either.

  30. avatar bob999 says:

    The leftist are calling their opponents vile names because it is a strategy. The fascist, Communists, Socialist, and just about every other ideology the leads people toward tyranny has used this strategy. If they cannot win the battle of ideas, they attack the messenger. Eventually, the left will escalate the violence. It always does.

  31. avatar JR says:

    But don’t talk about liberty
    That’s going a little bit too far
    So love me, love me
    Love me, I’m a conservative

  32. avatar Christopher Bingham says:

    As someone who has lost a fair number of friends on the left because of my support for the 2nd, I’ll give some of you a clue: we have about a half a generation to save the 2nd. Right now, the voting demographics are still on the 2nd’s side, but that is changing.

    One reason I support the 2nd is because I know people who have been attacked by people with baseball bats, who had their fists to defend themselves for holding hands in public. Every time some blinkered fuckwit comes up with the “special rights” argument, it makes it easier for the other side to sell the “only crackers like guns” line or presidential candidate to get away with a line like “holding on to god and guns.”

    Frankly, I support gun rights, partially so I can protect myself from a lot of people who spout the perspective of people in this comments list. I want to live in a world where *any* predator, of *any* belief system has to take into consideration the fact that if they want to attack anyone I love, that it might be their last day on earth.

    Between 80 and 150 million people in this country own guns, and by everyone’s count that number is shrinking, even as more guns are in private hands than any time in history. It’s probably closer to the 80 million figure, which means we’re in the minority.

    The next time you spout out some shit about “special rights” buy a clue and understand that given the brainwashing of the last two decades, more voters think of gun rights as “special.”
    (And don’t for a minute think that the right wing will support you once the demographics change – it wasn’t Governor Moonbeam that brought gun control into the modern era, it was your hero, Ronald Reagan, and the *NRA*, who starting shitting pants when the Black Panthers started exercising open carry in 1966 Oakland.)

    Get over your fear of other people’s butt sex. Put yourself in the shoes of someone who treated poorly for wanting a fucking cake.

    Understand that in the next couple of decades, as the population grows, we either bring people with us, or lose.

    The Gadsen flag on a rainbow field is a great statement. We are part of the country, we’re not going away, and it embodies the ideal of both “we’ll protect ourselves” and the original US motto of “e pluribus unum,” out of many, one. Don’t tread on me – you’ll die if you do.

  33. avatar CC says:

    I 100% support Piper in her Second amendment rights and her rights in terms of her sexuality identity and choices.

    That said she herself has used bigoted swipes in previous articles. her last article she implied white males are the most intolerant of gays and more common perpetrators of intolerance, hate speech and violence against gays.

    I posted the clear data from numerous studies by major surveying groups, showing both Hispanic and black males are MUCH more intolerant of gays. The crime data show blacks and Hispanics are also MUCH more likely to perpetrate violence against gays. Black males and Hispanic males are more likely to oppose gay marriage, engage in anti-gay hate speech, assault gays, and kill gays.

    And what is with the term “white Christian” when the data show Muslims are much more broadly and sharply intolerant of gays as well.

    As far as her claim that as a gay woman she is more subject to violence, the last time show wrote that I gave the data showing this is 100% false. Straight men, raw or per capita, are way more likely to be victims of murder, aggravated assault than women are, gay or straight. The vast majority of US murder victims are men, not women.

    Lastly Piper has also claimed trans persons are more likely to be murdered. That is not so simple. Data show that trans person NOT engaged in prostitution are NOT more likely to be murder or violence victims. What is going on with trans persons being victims of violence is is a HUGE proportion are the sex trade, and at risk from that.

    So I support Piper’s rights all around. Even though she is a bigot, and a bigot who wont bother to apologize or even answer, when cited sources showing she is wrong.

  34. avatar Chris T from KY says:

    Being called names by homosexual gun grabbers, and gay socialist/ communist, is a badge of honor.
    It does not bother me.

  35. Read The KJV Bible & see what is Commanded concerning homosexuality! Ever heard of Sodom & Gomorrah?

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