Interstate Gun Sales, Homemade Guns and a 3D Fact Check – TTAG Daily Digest

Appeals Court Tees Up Interstate Handgun Sale Ban for Possible Supreme Court Review

Interstate sales of a legal product? Now that’s a radical idea . . .

Last week in Mance v. Sessions, the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit denied, by one vote, a request for a rehearing of the case by the full panel of the court, and confirmed the reversal of a lower court decision that had ruled the interstate handgun sale ban to be unconstitutional.

The individual plaintiffs, Frederic Russell Mance, Jr. and Tracey and Andrew Hanson, were the parties to proposed handgun purchases. The Hansons, residents of the District of Columbia, each sought to purchase a handgun from Mance, an FFL doing business in Arlington, Texas. Texas law did not forbid the sale of handguns to persons residing outside of Texas, and the District of Columbia did not prohibit the importation of firearms.

Despite the Hansons being fully qualified under federal, D.C., and Texas laws to purchase and possess handguns, they decided not to proceed with the sale because they could not immediately take possession of the guns. A federal law makes it a crime for an FFL to sell or deliver a handgun (but not shotgun or rifle) to any non-FFL resident in a state other than the state in which the dealer’s place of business is located. Another federal law prohibits individuals from transporting into or receiving in their state of residence any firearm acquired outside of that state, although it excludes long guns purchased out-of-state in compliance with state and federal laws. Unlike long guns, handguns purchased out-of-state must be shipped to, and transferred through, an FFL operating in the state where the purchaser resides. The rationale is to prevent consumers from circumventing any handgun laws imposed by their home states by going across state lines.

District accepts guns, ammo, warns of ballooning cost

It’s almost as if the Stana Fe schools believe that more good guys with guns will help ensure students’ safety . . .

The donations included cash, some of which is designated for security items for the school’s police department, as well as $220,000 worth of guns, ammunition and weapons training for the district’s security staff.

The weapons were important for the district’s expanded police force to have for the next school year, school board President J.R. “Rusty” Norman said.

“If we’re going to have them, they can’t be just for show, we need to equip them,” Norman said.

Why the Firearms Industry Doesn’t Care About 3-D Printed Guns

Because people have been making their own guns for centuries . . .

American Outdoor Brand Corp., formerly known as Smith & Wesson, lists a variety of risks to its business in company filings, but did not include 3-D printing among them. The gun maker referred questions on the matter to NSSF.

“For now, it seems the major firearms manufacturers seem to be staying far away from 3-D printed guns,” said Rommel T. Dionisio, a gun industry analyst at Aegis Capital Corp. Manufacturers likely want to maintain “brand identity and product quality,” as well as relationships with firearms retailers, he said.

“People have always rebuilt engines,” Keane said, as an example. But “people building homemade cars never had an impact on General Motors.”

Kinda like this:

80% GLOCK Frame

courtesy glockstore.com

Want to build a gun at home? You don’t need a 3D printer

There oughta be a law! . . .

On Tuesday, President Trump tweeted “I am looking into 3-D Plastic Guns being sold to the public. Already spoke to the NRA, doesn’t seem to make much sense.” The president, lawmakers, and many Americans have targeted 3D-printed guns as the latest menace to society. Perhaps they should also direct their attention at books such as the Improvised Munitions Handbook that are easily accessible as free PDFs and contain DIY plans for guns and much, much more.

After all, you didn’t need to wait for 3D printers or fancy plans to know how to build a gun at home, or even to build several and arm your friends. Instead, you can find a free online copy of that old army handbook and just open to the section on firearms.

In that section, section three, you will find recipe-style instructions on how make to a range of firearms. Section 3.1 lays out plans for a pipe pistol for 9 mm ammunition. In section 3.2, there are instructions on how to make a shotgun (12 gauge). For those looking for more options, section 3.4 lays out the plans for a carbine firing 7.62 standard rifle ammunition, and section 3.6 has instructions for a pipe pistol for .45 Caliber ammunition, among other options.

National Rifle Association Set to Support America’s Shooting Team at National Sporting Clays Cup Fundraisers

Add the National Rifle Association (NRA) to the list of shooting industry organizations stepping up in a big way to help America’s Shooting Team during USA Shooting’s National Sporting Clays Cup Fundraiser on August 30 at Fork Farm and Childress Vineyards in North Carolina.

With Tokyo in Sight, USA Shooting’s National Sporting Clays Cup fundraiser will entice shooting sport enthusiasts to North Carolina on August 30 in support of the USA Shooting Team as they head toward the 2018 World Championships and the upcoming 2020 Olympic and Paralympic Games in Tokyo, Japan. As the only non-government supported shooting team in the world, USA Shooting relies heavily on donors and sponsors to help maintain a history of success that includes 110 Olympic medals.

Kate Steinle Murder Gun Control

Gun control shakes a lot of leftist hypocrisy out of the woodwork

Narrative über alles . . .

Is one death too many when a person is killed by an illegal alien?  Why aren’t these murders covered much by the media?  Is it because they just don’t fit the agenda?  Why is it that when someone dies because of a gun, Pitts and other journalists say we need more strict gun laws on everyone?  But when illegal aliens cause deaths and commit other crimes, they don’t say we need more strict immigration laws?

Gang members illegally cross borders and commit many crimes, including rape and murder, yet somehow Pitts and others don’t want to tighten up the border to make citizens safer.  Why?

Opioids kill around 42,000 Americans each year, and a significant amount of these drugs comes across the border illegally, but when Trump wants to tighten up the border, writers like Pitts and other Democrats fight him endlessly.  Don’t they care about those deaths?

Cody Wilson 3D print AR-15 Defense Distributed

courtesy businessinsider.com

Fact Check: Can You Make an AR-15 With a 3D Printer?

Does that mean all the media-driven hysteria about Defense Distributed’s files isn’t really accurate?

Can you now 3D print an AR-15? No.

Cody Wilson, a founder of DD, fired his first Liberator, a single-shot pistol made of mostly 3D printed parts, in 2013. But even this gun isn’t made of 100 percent 3D printed parts — for instance, you still need a metal firing pin (a small nail in the Liberator’s case) for the gun to actually fire. Careful though, you might blow your hand off while using it, especially if it’s built with low-grade plastics.

The plans for this and similar guns have been available on the internet for years, and the lawsuit against Wilson did not stop the internet from, well, being the internet. People have been sharing 3D gun “blueprints” via email, 3D libraries, magnet links, and so on all throughout this court case.

What about an AR-15? Cody Wilson gave TWS Fact Check the short answer, “Totally false. You can’t 3D print an AR-15.”

I am looking into 3-D Plastic Guns being sold to the public. Already spoke to NRA, doesn’t seem to make much sense!

comments

  1. avatar Dog of War says:

    You know I honestly don’t have much interest in the Glock design as a whole, but the more the anti-2A crowd screeches about 3D printed guns and other homemade weapons the more I want to make I want to take a swing at making one of my own.

    1. avatar No one of consequence says:

      Polymer80 frames were recently on sale at Brownells. You don’t need a drill press, or any powered tool actually; just use good tools and apply lots of patience. It’s an entertaining way to spend a rainy afternoon.

      1. avatar Dog of War says:

        Well I’ve seen videos of it being done with basic tools. But generally speaking the resulted aren’t as good as with what can be done with at least a drill press. And besides, I wanted to get a drill press soon anyway, so I’ll probably end up breaking my press in on one of these 80% lowers. :p

    2. avatar Nigel the expat says:

      The new Gen2 P80 frames are super easy to finish.

      You can do one with a hand-drill and a dremel. Hell, you could just hand file the frame tabs down if you don’t have a drill press or a dremel. The Gen1 was a bit more labor-intensive, but the Gen2 is just stupidly easy (particularly compared to something like an 80% AR lower).

  2. avatar BLAMMO says:

    But … but … but … Trump supports the decades-old Federal law that prohibits you from making your own gun!!

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/white-house-trump-administration-supports-decades-old-ban-on-homemade-3d-printed-guns

    Anybody know what law that is?

    1. avatar Robert W says:

      There is no federal law that specifically bans 3d printed, or home built, firearms. There is a federal law (inspired by a line from Die Hard) that bans making firearms wholly out of material that would circumvent metal detectors. I believe that to be legal the standard is a 2oz. solid chunk of a specific steel, or equivalent, has to be there. So no 3d printed glock 7 for you!

      1. avatar Nanashi says:

        A law written, and endorsed by the NRA to counter Glock histeria with an expiration date and a promise it didn’t impact any existing firearms. Then a renewal shoved through, again with NRA endorsement, 10 years latter after 3D printed firearms DID make it impact more or less existing designs. With friends like Wayne LaPierre, who needs Bloomberg?

  3. avatar former water walker says:

    Yikes! Quite the conundrum…I’ll most likely never make a gun but IF(and when) Illinois effs me I’d like to try. Like the Hulk I’m always angry…

  4. avatar DaveDetroit says:

    There are people that believe that one can 3D print fully semi-auto guns AND the ammo.

    While I think it would be cool to be able to do it, as a metallurgist, I can’t imagine the final weapon would be very sturdy. I’m no expert on 3D printing but wouldn’t the chamber and barrel have to be hardened steel rather than the 3D printed metal/plastic? ANY 3D Printing experts who want to chime in?

    I imagine it would be just as easy to make a better weapon using standard tooling available in most any metal shop.

    1. avatar Nigel the expat says:

      They believe that because the media and a whole lot of Pols keep implying (and some insisting) that you can. Give that is the only place many LiVs are going to get their indoctrination from it is not surprising in the least that such beliefs not only exist, but proliferate.

      There ‘are’ metal 3D printers, and they have been used to make at least one full gun that I know of (a 1911 45). However, they are prohibitively expensive.

      Barrels are particularly an issue. The liberator 22 can get a way with a few shots, but for more powerful round you (at least currently) need metal.

    2. avatar Cliff H says:

      You obviously cannot 3D print ammunition, however, there is nothing preventing the design of a 3D muzzleloader using a standard black-powder cap to set it off.

      It would be a one-and-done pistol, but New York reload comes to mind.

  5. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

    “I am looking into 3-D Plastic Guns being sold to the public. Already spoke to NRA, doesn’t seem to make much sense!”

    FactuLLY INCORECT,HOWEVER THEN…..

  6. avatar ollie says:

    The Opioid Crisis is most likely a side effect of Obamacare. A lot of those folks getting free or nearly free healthcare and prescriptions are scamming the docs into giving them pain med prescriptions. They make color Xerox copies of the paperwork and hit fifteen pharmacies. Just a variation of welfare and ssi cheating.

  7. avatar Gralnok says:

    The Improvised Munitions Handbook is actually really common. I downloaded a copy on my Nook tablet from Barnes and Noble themselves! I haven’t actually tried any of the recipes, though.

    1. avatar WARFAB says:

      The big book of bad ideas. I’ve got some official military hard copies.

    2. avatar daveinwyo says:

      My copy was issued to me at Ft. Bragg in Feb of ’70 during phase II. Still have it.

      1. avatar little horn says:

        “Green Berets from Ft. Brag. What the hell are they doing here?”

        couldn’t help it.

  8. avatar little horn says:

    ugh. don’t buy into this 3D bullshit. want to spend LESS money on something that will actually SAVE you money? buy a reloading press. or even a hand press. you start with spare time and end up with ammo!

  9. avatar Pelvicpunch says:

    At least they’re ignoring those 2D guns, we wouldnt want those getting out.

  10. avatar Soylent Green says:

    “I am looking into 3-D Plastic Guns being sold to the public. Already spoke to NRA, doesn’t seem to make much sense!”

    I think, when read literally, this just means that trump is a 1911 guy. ;D

    3-D plastic gun = glock, as its is, indeed, a 3 dimensional firearm made from plastic

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