TTAG Daily Digest: Scientifically Proven, The Time is Now and ‘We All Want the Same Thing’

The scientifically proven explanation for why better gun control really will stop school violence

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The scientifically proven explanation for why better gun control really will stop school violence

You’re not going to argue with science, are you? . . .

At the end of the day, the massacres that are happening in American schools are simply not happening in countries with stricter gun control laws. After a school shooting that led to the deaths of 35 people in Australia in 1996, the country enacted stricter gun controland initiated a major gun buyback program. They have only had one school shootingsince, and zero school mass knifings or bombings.

The NRA loves to say “guns don’t kill people, people kill people.” That’s not untrue. But what we know about people tells us that simply having access to guns makes it more likely that they will kill themselves, and others.

1 student injured in Florida high school shooting; suspect in custody, officials say

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Gun Violence Prevents Florida School District From Staging Walkouts Against Gun Violence

Just as students around the country were preparing another walkout against gun violence on Friday morning, a 19-year-old man shot a 17-year-old student at Forest High School in Ocala, Florida.

Marion County, where the high school is located, canceled school for the rest of the day. Students had planned protests there, a Marion school board member confirmed to CNN, but gun violence had ironically stymied their efforts.

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‘The Time Is Now.’ This New Coalition of Celebrities and Activists Just Pledged to Take on the NRA

Expect this celebrity coalition to be every bit as effective as the last celebrity coalition was . . .

In an open letter to NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre, which was first obtained by TIME, the more than 100 members of the newly formed NoRA Initiative — short for No Rifle Association — pledge to reduce the NRA’s influence in American politics through a series of voter registration drives, nationwide art campaigns, demonstrations and boycotts.

“Your time signing checks in our blood is up,” the letter says. “We’re coming for your money. We’re coming for your puppets. And we’re going to win.”

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Texas Disability Group Wants Victims’ Voices Heard In Gun Debate

“I am not against guns. And I don’t know that everyone who gets shot is going to turn them against guns,” she says.

This way of thinking is something Kafka says he’s expecting to better understand as the ADAPT survey results come in. He wants the information to help educate lawmakers and bolster the group’s authority to testify on behalf of its members about gun legislation. Kafka says victims of gun violence all face different hurdles in recovery and he wants to know about those experiences. But he’s not expecting everyone surveyed to hold the same views.

“We have people on both sides of the issue,” he says. “There are probably NRA members in the disability community.”

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No one in her school would walk out with her. So her dad did

Sounds like a good school . . .

“She wasn’t able to do the last walkout, so she begged us to let her do this one,” her mother, Melissa Matrese, told CNN.
Matrese claims no other members of the faculty or students joined her daughter in the walkout. So her husband, Stephen, stepped in.
“My husband had to go to her school, sign her out, and stay with her,” Matrese said, adding that her daughter “didn’t care about being the only one because ‘Mommy, this is too important to be embarrassed.'”

Should America try a buy-back program to reduce gun violence? ‘Guns: An American Conversation’

No. Next question . . .

Experts maintain that gun buy-backs wouldn’t have much of an impact in America.

According to the 2014 book “The Gun Debate: What Everyone Needs to Know,” by Philip J. Cook and Kristin A. Goss, buy-backs are not effective in combating gun violence. Cook and Goss say that without any significant ban outlawing certain types of firearms – which are protected by the Second Amendment — many of the guns brought to these types of events are in shabby shape.

“Unsurprisingly people are inclined to turn in guns that are no longer useful – they have become redundant, given all the other guns owned by the individual,” they write.

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comments

  1. avatar Marty says:

    Why would any normal thinking person believe anything these public educated moronic students have to say. The teachers tell them what to think and do. They are funded by the likes of soros and new york mayors and governors. When they learn to think and act for themselves, then maybe we can have a conversation. of course when they learn that, there will be no need for us to have a conversation, they’ll then be thinking like us.

    1. avatar California Richard says:

      More often than not these kids echo their parents’ ideas and are stuck in the pop culture influenced peer group echo chamber (whose parents are usually flaming idiot libs too). What you don’t see are the throngs of kids who just walked out of class and went somewhere else or (heaven forbid) actually stayed in class to protest the idiots screaming to strip them of their civil rights….. pop culture, peer groups, parents…. and yes teachers to a certain extent. My daughter got in to some good anti-Hillary arguments with her 4th grade teacher in 2016.

      1. avatar Marty says:

        You’re certainly right about a lot of the parents. But, what the hell, now they can smoke dope in front of the kids legally. I’d love to hear some of those conversations.

    2. avatar Pat H says:

      I guess you’ve never met a teenager in your life? Their teachers can’t tell them what to say or do.

      1. avatar TrappedInCommiefornia says:

        It depends on the teacher and how they approach it. The old, strict teacher that tells the kids to sit down and shut up certainly won’t have much influence if he starts spouting off his political ideals. But the young, fun, good-looking teacher can very subtly influence a child’s mind, probably in a matter of months. I remember having several teachers through junior high and high school who could have done it, but I was at a fairly conservative private school so it wasn’t as much of an issue.

      2. avatar Marty says:

        I’m originally from the peoples republic of Kalifornia. I met a lot of teenagers there, many of them as I was arresting them. Yup, they knew it all because their teachers told them so. Now in a very conservative state, though we still have liberal teachers, they’re not nearly so prevalent. Home schooled our daughter and the big difference is yea, she thinks she knows almost everything, but we constantly let her know she still has a lot to learn LOL.

    3. avatar John in TX (Was CT) says:

      High school students always take themselves too seriously. They’re sure that they’re the first people to ever think of anything, they’re the smartest people that ever lived, etc.

      The problem today is, as you point out, the spineless adults enabling said self-important high-schoolers. Clear case in point: Whoever at Random House approved giving David Hogg a book deal. CNN and their hour of hate. Everyone else who seems to give the opinions of these children so much weight.

      As I get older (currently mid-30’s), I become more and more convinced that (most) of the societal issues we face today are nothing new, and that ideas that have stood the test of centuries (like the individual right to armed self-defense, which I never doubted but it’s the most related example, among others) should not be abandoned in the name of the latest fad.

      School uniforms are a fantastic example of this- every student hates them, almost every school (in the US at least) has gotten rid of them in the name of placating their students… but the data shows that using traditional school uniforms in fact increases performance (for a number of reasons- less distinction between upper and lower class students, less time spent worrying about appearances allows more study, etc).

      I’m inclined to think that a lot of elements of tradition, likewise, have forgotten benefits to society and the people that follow them.

      1. avatar California Richard says:

        “Hour of hate”…. speaking of things that last the test of time. Love the 1984 reference.

      2. avatar Moltar says:

        This pretty well sums up everyone as a teen: We knew it all, we were right, and we could do it all if only those dang adults would listen.

        I remember when I was 13-14 years old and thought I could solve every single problem in the world…. Thank God I grew out of that and realized the problem with people is they’re people. Some are good, some are bad, and some are ugly.

      3. avatar LarryinTX says:

        Last time I lived in Japan (1991), students wore uniforms right on through university. They don’t seem to be having the problems we are.

        1. avatar Big Bill says:

          “They don’t seem to be having the problems we are.”

          Different society, different problems.
          Suicide rate is much higher than in the US. Even with far fewer guns. (One has to wonder if it’s suppressed rage over having to wear uniforms? 🙂 )

          It’s very dangerous trying to compare one country to another based on only one factor, like school uniforms (just as an example).

  2. avatar former water walker says:

    Sure you can buy my guns…just give me more than I paid so I can get an upgrade! Hey I see Kamau Bell…THAT azzhole is a gun owner. How hard would it really be to ruin most of these idiots(rhetorically!)?!? Clueless what the NRA IS…

  3. avatar RCC says:

    Cherry picking your data!

    I agree there have been no mass shootings in a school in Australia since 1996 but there were none before either.

    Plus they excluded fire, 15 killed in Childers arson and multiple vehicle attacks in Melbourne and Sydney. Also police computer technician assassinated by teenage Muslim gunman plus several attacks stopped before they happened.

    1. avatar M1Lou says:

      Don’t forget the Aussie woman(if you can call her that) that stabbed 8 children to death.

    2. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

      Not to mention there are 13 times as many people in the USA as Australia, so a year without a specific shoo ting hear is worth 13 there.

    3. avatar Southern Cross says:

      What school shooting in Australia in 1996? A school shooting has NEVER happened in Australia EVER.

      What happened in 1996 was the Port Arthur massacre which occurred at the Port Arthur historical site.

    4. avatar LarryinTX says:

      So schoolchildren in other countries are all safe, are they? I’m pretty sure Boko Haram’s total is above 550 now, of 5th and 6th grade girls kidnapped and gang raped without a shred of resistance or retribution, on 2 different occasions, many murdered and a few turned out as “suicide” bombers and blown to bits. Thanks, but I will be keeping my guns.

  4. avatar RCC says:

    Australian “buy back” offered 200% to 400% over market value. Lots of us cashed cheque at gun shop for new firearms and spent the balance on ammunition.

    The more enterprising people made “machine gun” parts at home and sold them for thousands. Over half a billion dollars for about 230 000 firearms. Can not see that amount of money being spent in USA. As per always it is easier to oppose laws before they happen not after.

    1. avatar Jon in CO says:

      At 200-400% market value, hell, you know many lower receivers I’m going to make out of 80%’s and turning in? Ill make enough money to buy current market priced machine guns. I’ll have a few dozen stamps for the ATF to process paperwork for. It’ll be a good day.

  5. avatar Nanashi says:

    At 420 million (a lowball) guns in the US, just 25 per gun would be more than the FBI’s annual budget.

    1. avatar RCC says:

      Nanashi
      I got $1000 just for Ruger 10/.22 with a few accessories. Didn’t like it then or now but the crazy money helped.

      M1Lou
      The stabbing lady was indigenous and doesn’t fit the narrative of guns so media ignores her.

  6. Sky Bouche 19, A former student of McManis-Panasuk, “said he had been abused by his family his whole life and he was done.” And that he shot a door by that he “didn’t think it (the gun) would work.” The gunshot had gone through the door and injured a 17-year-old student in ankle.
    http://www.gainesville.com/news/20180420/teacher-meets-shooter-in-hall-talks-with-him-till-cop-arrives

  7. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

    Today I did something I’ve never done before. I joined the NRA. I’ve always been pro-NRA, I just figured they’re swimming and cash and didn’t need my $40. But now I’ve realized that, if the other side has… celebrities, maybe the NRA DOES need my cash. And the fact that in six weeks when it finally shows up I’ll be able to walk about town donning a spiffy new NRA baseball cap, well that just sealed the deal. Molon Labe!

  8. avatar Joe R. says:

    “TTAG Daily Digest: ‘We All Want the Same Thing’”

    ? For the evil POS (D) to choke on (D)1<k?

    1. avatar Ing says:

      Well, I wouldn’t put it quite that way…but close enough.

  9. avatar Mack Bolan says:

    I would be cautious of labeling anything “scientifically proven” since 85% of “science” these days is not repeatable.

    https://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/33719/title/Science-s-Reproducibility-Problem/

    1. avatar What About Bob says:

      82% of statistics are made up on the spot….

      1. avatar Moltar says:

        97% of scientists agree that the other 3% are wrong.

    2. avatar Pg2 says:

      Except vaccines. They are the only thing we can unconditionally trust and refuse to our apply critical thinking skills to because…., well just because.

  10. avatar Felix says:

    Remember how the gun grabbers kept on insisting the CDC had to be allowed to investigate gun violence so they could disprove the Kleck survey which said 2.2M DGUs per year?

    They did. Three times. But they all confirmed what Gary Kleck said. So they swept it under the rug and kept campaigning to be allowed to do what they had already done.

    http://reason.com/blog/2018/04/20/cdc-provides-more-evidence-that-plenty-o

    1. avatar LarryinTX says:

      When all else fails, follow the money. The head of every govt agency wants his agency to get more money to hire more people at higher salaries, in order to increase his own power, anything else is unimportant. And the evil POS (D) encourages that.

  11. avatar n64456 says:

    Yeah…. I don’t listen to 100+ pedophiles, rapists, junkies and felons pretending they are important “celebrities”, or worth even acknowledging….

  12. avatar barnbwt says:

    “The NRA loves to say “guns don’t kill people, people kill people.” That’s not untrue. But what we know about people tells us that simply having access to guns makes it more likely that they will kill themselves, and others.”

    Suicide has nothing to do with school shootings. Mass bombings or stabbings have nothing to do with gun laws. I notice they don’t say Australia hasn’t had any mass shootings in general, because they absolutely have. They also have a violent crime rate that’s been steadily rising both before & after their disarmament campaign. America has had a consistent decline in its violent crime rate over the same time despite an unprecedented increase in civilian arms…many of the largest decreases in urban areas that have relaxed their gun restrictions over the same period. Other urban areas are now seeing a distinct uptick in violent crime ever since concern over ‘gun violence’ from police has been driving public policy.

    Did Glasgow have bomb problems because they failed to pass responsible bomb control?

  13. avatar MDH says:

    Once again, if you really want to stop school violence, you need to get these little monsters to stop bullying thier classmates into suicidal depression and homicidal rage. Want to raise the age on something to 21? Let’s start with smart phones and social media.

    1. avatar Just Sayin says:

      ^ B I N G O !!!

      Today’s winner.

    2. avatar Our Youth Are Being Corrupted Right In Front of Our Eyes says:

      ^ ^ THIS!!! ^ ^ Additionally, ban all the violent video games and social media that are poisioning the juvenile mind. Stop them from being a couch potato–Get them outside, play organized sports, be a volunteer, help someone in need. Let them be kids again, not a miniaturized adult in a yet immature body.

      1. avatar matt says:

        violent video games aren’t the problem and never have been its bullshit and you know it fragging people online isn’t turning our kids into bloodthirsty killers or anyone else for that matter

        1. avatar Marty says:

          Violent video games have been around a long time. Can’t see how we can blame them. What we can blame is parents not parenting. Letting their children be raised by liberal teachers is a major problem. Teachers joining their “children” in soros sponsored protests is beyond the pale. We need a license to do most things these days. How about a license to become a parent LOL.

    3. avatar Marty says:

      And voting! If they’re not responsible enough to own a firearm, they certainly should not be voting.

  14. avatar W says:

    “After a school shooting that led to the deaths of 35 people in Australia in 1996, …”

    Gotta toss the ignorant gun controller flag on that load of BS. The 1996 shooting was specifically NOT a school shooting. Tell your lefty friends, if they want anyone to take them seriously, they need to start by learning the facts and not just parroting what semi-ignorant leftists say. Port Arthur was not a school.

    A banana is not an apple.

  15. avatar a nother bloke says:

    hey!
    gun control works!
    just look @ the UK and AUstralia….
    ohhh….wait…..

  16. avatar Gralnok says:

    Pff, I used to have sympathy for the kids in schools, but I’m realizing more and more, they are the enemy. Why should I even waste my thoughts on these little shits, when they demonize and seek to destroy us? Someone, please convince me otherwise.

    1. avatar Geoff PR says:

      “Why should I even waste my thoughts on these little shits, when they demonize and seek to destroy us? Someone, please convince me otherwise.”

      OK, I’ll try –

      That’s exactly *why* you should think about them, because they are dead-set committed to confiscating our guns. Engage them in debate, since you never know when you may suddenly turn a fence-sitter on gun rights to our side.

      Ignoring them won’t make them go away, and risks them thinking they will have a easy time of outlawing our freedoms…

      1. avatar a nother bloke says:

        i’m betting that most of them are paid shills….
        since there are….what?….some-thing like 50+mlln people in the US who live on-the-streets, it wouldn’t be hard to ‘recruit’, would it, eh?!?
        ergo: it actually is a waste of time ‘engaging’ with them…. except the small handful that are clear and genuine ‘fence-sitters’ …

  17. avatar a nother bloke says:

    re: the link from “mlive” ….
    again: links are ‘posted’ on this ‘blog that are, pretty much, useless b’cs they have no ‘open’ comments system using either WordPress or ‘disqus’ -type comments or, even, regular FaceBook ‘sign in-s’;
    a site that does not have ‘open’ comments or, even, semi-open comments is totally illegitimate and useless…..
    its a waste of peoples’ time to have to deal with such links…..

    1. avatar Marty says:

      Yup, I feel the same of sites which only allow comments from book face and twitter. Lot’s of us have nothing to do with social media. Usually I don’t even bother reading posts I know to be social media pimps.

  18. avatar Hannibal says:

    “At the end of the day, the massacres that are happening in American schools are simply not happening in countries with stricter gun control laws…”

    They aren’t happening in countries with less gun control, either. If you can only point out one country they’re happening in, you’re not going to be able to control for a variable like “gun control” vis a vis other nations. And if you’re not controlling for variables, you’re not doing science.

    “After a school shooting that led to the deaths of 35 people in Australia in 1996, the country enacted stricter gun controland initiated a major gun buyback program. They have only had one school shootingsince, and zero school mass knifings or bombings….”

    Again with the variables. When looking at the results of an experiment you have to compare the former to the latter. A sample size of 1 is worthless.

  19. avatar Aaron M. Walker says:

    News flash from Massachusetts:
    *(Armed self-defense.)*

    http://www.telegram.com/news/20180419/rutland-man-recounts-backyard-tussle-with-coyote

  20. avatar Aaron M. Walker says:

    80lb coyote attack….see above…

  21. avatar a nother bloke says:

    “After a school shooting that led to the deaths of 35 people in Australia in 1996, the country enacted stricter gun controland initiated a major gun buyback program. They have only had one school shootingsince, and zero school mass knifings or bombings….”

    yeh…pretty much wht i’m talkin’ abt, re: ‘links’;
    first off: it wasn’t “a school shooting” ….it was a shooting in an historical-type café @ an historical/tourist site;
    second off: there have been no school shootings b’fr or since;
    lastly: that incident… commonly called “the Port Arthur massacre” is, still, to this very day, over two decades later, very, very HOTLY contested as to the legitimacy of the official account……..
    there is a HUGE minority of AUssies who do NOT accept the ‘story’ that was peddled in the media and the actual case where the alleged ‘perp’ was prosecuted is/was one of the most contentious ‘trials’/prosecutions in Australian legal history…….

  22. avatar ironicatbest says:

    And then

  23. avatar Pg2 says:

    Sounds like the ‘science is settled’😂😂

    1. avatar Indiana Tom says:

      Da Komrade, Scientific Soviet Socialist Statistics. Baka.

  24. avatar Indiana Tom says:

    Oh crap, my Wife is a teacher and she says the kids just want to get out of class and roam around the school. This is not organized by the students, well, it sort of is, the roaming around part most certainly.
    Fondest moments of my High School Days was partying in the parking lot during the flavor of the month Liberation Army bomb threats during the Vietnam War.

  25. avatar Gun Owning American says:

    And how many kids just went home and smoked? Yesterday was 4/20

  26. avatar Rusty Chains says:

    Sure, I have a gun they can “buy back.” It is one of those dangerous new fully simi-automatic pistols, and I will let them have my Keltek PF9 for the low low price of $500. That would pay part of that new Sig I was wanting.*

    * full disclosure, the Keltek has at least one failure to extract the case from the chamber in every magazine.

  27. avatar Patrick says:

    From the article about the principal setting consequences for students who skip class:
    “I think he was trying to do the right thing by trying to keep everybody in,” student Tanary Robles told KCBS. “But I also think that he shouldn’t stop us from doing what we want.”
    —————
    Yes, don’t tell a student that he can’t do something he wants to do. It’s almost like the principal thinks there should be rules in school.

  28. avatar Eddie Hubbard says:

    I don’t give a damn what socialistic scientist believe. It takes a person to kill another person. Guns will not seek out people or masses of people to shoot & kill. It takes a person to do that. The gun cannot pull it’s own trigger to make it fire. It takes a person to do that. The gun has no feelings, thoughts or heart to kill. It takes a person to do that. You WHINEBAG IDIOTIC SOCIALIST trained people think you are so much smarter than everyone else. Well you have proven just how DAMN STUPID you really are with this article. You better start looking into the SICK SOCIALIST TRAINED minds of the killers. That is sick people that pulled the triggers. You will never buy my guns back or take them away. They will be mine until the day I die. And yes this is a RIGHT that I am willing to die for. So come & take it.

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