TTAG Daily Digest: Canadian TEC-9s, Losing the Fight and Dropping the Ball in Ohio

Courtesy Impro Guns

Photos of illegal TEC-9 submachine gun factory operating in Montreal

You can’t stop the signal . . .

Photos have emerged of an underground gun factory which operated in Montreal, Canada to produce high quality copies of the TEC-9 / DC-10 submachine gun for the criminal market. This model of  illicit craft produced machine pistol was previously documented having appeared seized in several police operations.

The factory was discovered by accident after a burglar alarm altered police to the warehouse of the company located in LaSalle borough. Vice-president of Perfection Metal, Pierre Larivière, 60 and Jean-Pierre Huot, 59 are facing charges relating to the 2014 find. Employees at the factory were apparently  told that they were manufacturing parts for paintball guns.

courtesy nydailynews.com

Norway set to ban semi-automatic weapons

Inching down the slope . . .

Norway is set to ban semi-automatic weapons almost seven years after a far right-wing extremist killed 77 people in a bomb and shooting rampage, the deputy leader of parliament’s justice committee said on Thursday.

The July 22 massacre in 2011 “was committed using that type of weapon. We need to get rid of them,” Peter Froelich told broadcaster TV2.

He said a majority of parliamentarians now backed the measure, in line with a proposal by the center-right government, and a vote was scheduled for next week.

courtesy artvoice.com

Why We Are Losing the Fight for the Second Amendment and What We Can Do About It

From a speech at the Second Amendment Town Hall on Strategy . . .

We are losing the fight for the Second Amendment. We are losing it in the courts. We are losing it in the legislatures.  We are losing it in the media, in the schools and with young people.

The approach we have been using to protect the Second Amendment for many years has failed, is failing and will continue to fail. That approach has basically focused on lobbying, elections, voting and using the litigation process without any serious attempt to change the philosophical or ideological bent of the country or to change the ideological trajectory of the country to the left which in the last five years has been accelerating, and without any attempt to change the basic progressive mindset which has dominated American politics for many decades.

The tactics we have used are archaic, dated, spent, don’t work and there has been no attempt to use bold new innovative tactics and unless that changes, we are going to lose this fight.

courtesy firearmownersunited.com

Another Australian to Travel to US to Sanctimoniously Lecture Americans About Gun Laws

No thanks…we’re all full up . . .

Taking his cues from every other poser on this topic in Australia, Adelaide ‘artist’ Peter Drew is the latest drone that has taken it upon himself to go and lecture Americans about gun laws:

“Drew — who began his refugee poster campaign in 2015 — has generated awareness around the way Australians treats asylum seekers as well as the traditional owners of Australian land.

But his latest campaign looks beyond the borders of Australia, with the artist planning to travel to the United States to generate discussion around American gun laws. So what is the message?

A hot topic internationally, Drew said America had a “broken system”. His next set of posters display a broken rifle and the words ‘Australia, it works’. Drew said he would travel to Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York in August where he hoped to speak to American people about the issue and how things are done in his home country.

Gun control: How felons could still buy firearms in Ohio

We have more than enough laws, it’s just that no one is complying with or enforcing them . . .

In Ohio, a convicted felon barred from owning a gun could still purchase one after passing a background check – all because dozens of courts have failed to upload some paperwork.

Sound familiar? A similar glitch allowed Devin Kelley, a dishonorably discharged U.S. Air Force veteran, to purchase the gun he used to kill 26 and injure 20 more at a South Texas church last year. In that instance, the military failed to flag Kelley as a person banned from owning a gun.

In Ohio, court officials across the state have behaved similarly, failing to submit names to the country’s gun-purchase background check system, an Enquirer review of records from the Ohio attorney general’s office found.

State law requires courts to update the list of individuals barred from buying firearms at least once a week. But some courts went months or years without an update – without facing any repercussions, according to state audits.

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  1. avatar anarchyst says:

    Two words: NO COMPROMISE!

    The problem is, we have allowed the anti Second Amendment crowd to define the terms.
    A firearm is a tool which possesses no evil intent on its own. Assigning intent to an inanimate object is the epitome of insanity. Demonizing a weapon on “looks alone” also marks the accuser as an unstable individual who is also insane. Call them out on their illogic and insanity.
    Another dirty tactic the anti-Second Amendment crowd uses exposes children to potential and actual harm by putting them in “gun-free zones”. These people care not one wit about children, but uses them for their own nefarious purposes.
    We need to TAKE BACK the argument…
    When the antis blame the firearm for the actions of a criminal, state that: “a firearm is an inanimate object, subject only to the intent of the user”. Firearms ARE “equalizers” and are used to preserve life and make a 90 lb. woman equal to a 200 lb. criminal”.
    When the antis attempt to justify their “gun free zones” counter their misguided argument with “you mean, criminal safety zones” or “victim disarmament zones”.
    State that “we protect our money, banks, politicians and celebrities, buildings and facilities with PEOPLE WITH GUNS, but protect our children with “gun-free zone” signs”.
    When the antis state that: “you don’t need and AR-15”, counter with, “Who are YOU to consider what I need or want?”
    When the antis criticize AR-15s in general, counter with: “you mean the most popular rifle of the day, use able by even the smallest, weakest person as a means of self-defense. Besides, AR-15s are FUN to shoot”. Offer to take them to the range and supply them with an AR-15, ammunition and range time. I have made
    many converts this way.
    When the antis state that: “You don’t need an AR-15 to hunt with”, counter with “AR-15s ARE used for hunting, but in many states, are prohibited from being used to take large game because they are underpowered”.
    When the antis state that: “AR-15s are high powered rifles”, correct them by stating that “AR-15s with the .223 or 5.56mm cartridge are considered medium-powered weapons–NOT “high-powered” by any means”.
    When the antis state that: “the Constitution was written during the time of muskets, and that the Second Amendment should only apply to “weapons of that time period”, state that: “by your logic, the First Amendment should not apply to modern-day telecommunications, internet, television, radio, public-address systems, books and newspapers produced on high-speed offset printing presses. Only “town-criers” and Benjamin Franklin type printing presses would be covered under the First Amendment”.
    When the antis state that “only law enforcement and government should possess firearms”, remind them of the latest school shooting, as well as Columbine, where “law enforcement” SAT ON THEIR HANDS while children were being murdered, citing “officer safety”, afraid to challenge the shooter, despite being armed to the hilt. The government-run murderous sieges at Ruby Ridge and Waco are also good examples of government (mis)use of firearms. Let’s not forget the millions murdered under communism by their governments AFTER their firearms were confiscated.
    This tome can be used to counter any argument against any infringement of our Second Amendment.

    1. avatar former water walker says:

      Well stated if long winded…after Newtown “we” said no. And it worked for awhile. No giving the bad guys anything. Both houses of congress,the presidency,many Republican controlled states and sway in the Supremes-this BS shouldn’t be happening. Yeah I too got a Tech9 chuckle…

      1. avatar ThomasR says:

        We have been winning, big time. Most states have shall issue CC. 12 States have Constitutional Carry and more are on the list. Sure, individual states have passed some restrictions and sporting rifle bans, but there is no federal attempt to pass UBC or another sporting rifle ban.

        But the left has made the major shift of our culture from individual freedom to collectivist marxist/socialist hive mind by taking over our schools and media. So start the Long March in reverse. Anyone that loves our country and wants to preserve our hard fought and won liberties should get a teaching degree and be a counter voice of freedom to the epidemic of soul sucking collectivism currently rampant in our schools. I’ve got my associates in education, and I’ll be starting my Bachelor’s in the fall. Plus, I love teaching, so I will be having double the sense of fulfillment and purpose. The other option is home schooling and for parents to send their University bound young adults to conservative focused universities, there are some.

        1. avatar Damned Lies and Statistics says:

          Education is critically important, but demographics is also vital. Texas will be a blue state by 2024, not because of education nor propaganda, but because the number of non-white voters will have hit that critical point where they decide the elections.
          Unfortunately demographics is an issue that seems to have simply been taken off the table, being deemed racist. Yet it is very clear, statistically, that any efforts to “educate” non-white voters on the Constitution, values of freedom and liberty and on conservatism, are largely failing. The Founding Fathers recognized that Western ideals of liberty were exclusive to Western peoples, which is why they created the immigration policy that they did. It wasn’t because of blind racism; it was an understanding of the fact that white civilizations have been the only civilizations to pursue freedom/liberty without external influence. Non-white integration has failed in every single Western nation, and now we’re all reaping the “benefits” of it.
          For a very simple example of why demographics matter, see this picture: http://www.informationliberation.com/files/wDf9gNa.png
          If you doubt its accuracy, feel free to look up the exit polling for any election and you will find that the only people voting majority Republican (or conservative/right wing for other countries) are white people. This will never change (apparently even when the right wing becomes left wing and starts advocating for open borders and socialism, like most Neo Cons of recent years; they still lose the non-white vote!).

    2. avatar Red in CO says:

      Keep it simple, keep it emotional. Anti gun = pro rape. THAT needs to be our message, and that needs to be the extent of it. We’re not gonna change the minds of the millions of half retarded sheep that aren’t die hard leftists by making reasoned arguments. Hell, those bastards wouldn’t even read half a paragraph. The anti gun side has made incredible progress toward their goal by spending years screaming the same simple mantra over and over and over again. The only way we’re gonna reverse that is by using the same tactics. Anti gun = pro rape

      1. avatar Jon in CO says:

        This is absolutely what needs to be done. The first time they get labeled pro-rape, they’ll shut it down. However, don’t stop there. Anti gun is also racist, anti-minorities, anti-gay, and sexist.

        Tell all the broken minority communities that a real man doesn’t carry a gun. Guns are the problem there. Nobody in those communities with a gun is up to anything good. Seems racist to me.

        Tell women it’s better to pee on their attacker than defend themselves. They only want men to protect themselves. Seems very anti-women to me.

        Remember, only the people who constantly oppress you should be armed, and we need you to give up all of your guns to those same people. We also need you to submit to unnecessary intrusions of your life and every aspect of it, so we can assure that all of the above happens.

        1. avatar Joe R. says:

          Anti-gun = POS (D) communism, and we spent the last ~58 years hunting fv<king communists. And we didn’t have to kill so many (if we had publicly tortured more of them 3/4’rs of the way to death) but it was worth it.

        2. avatar Joe R. says:

          Anti-gun = POS (D) communisTic tyranny

      2. avatar Mad Max says:

        Anti-gun is not only pro-rape, it is pro-outlaw/criminal.

        We need to paint the anti-gun people as being in support of outlaws/criminals, against the law-abiding, and pro-police state while being anti-police state (ala BLM & Antifa) at the same time.

        If we just strongly emphasize who actually benefits from gun control, the antis will look like a bunch of outlaws to the average American.

        The antis are pro-criminal!

    3. avatar anonymoose says:

      The AR15 is not medium-powered. It’s low-powered by “hunting” rifle standards. It’s adequate for shooting coyotes, but pathetic on anything bigger (such as deer and humans). Pull out a .223 and a .30-30 or .30-06 and ask them “which one of these goes in the deer rifle?”

      1. avatar Mark N. says:

        I’d ask the question the other way around. Pull out a .30-06 and a .223 and ask which one goes in an assault rifle and which is the most popular round in America for hunting deer. If a majority of people who know nothing about guns picks the .30-06 as the assault weapon/rifle round, use it as a “teachable moment” about how the media skews out understanding of guns.

        1. avatar Joe R. says:

          Ask them if guns are for sporting purposes, and, if yes, decide what you’ll do to them and their family in the next civil war.

    4. avatar anonymoose says:

      The AR15 is not medium-powered. It’s low-powered by “hunting” rifle standards. It’s adequate for shooting coyotes, but pathetic on anything bigger (such as deer and humans). Pull out a .223 and a .30-30 or .30-06 and ask them “which one of these goes in the deer rifle?”

      Another issue we have is the terminology used by the NRA, gun ranges, and ATF where there are rimfire cartridges, handgun cartridges (mostly straight-walled stuff between .25ACP and the .500 Magnums, .357 SIG, .440 Cor-Bon, .30 Luger, Mauser, & Tokarev, .400 Cor-Bon, and 9×25 etc, .32/.25-20 and .44/.38-40 even though Winchester made those as rifle carts, and sometimes .30 Carbine), and “high-powered rifle cartridges,” which are anything that might be faster or wider than some random handgun cartridge. And then the ATF also classifies 5.56/.223, 7.62×51/.308, 7.62×39, and 5.45×39 (because the US Govt hates Russia) as “handgun” cartridges for the purposes of AP ammo laws. Because of these overlaps, are they actually high-powered handgun cartridges or low-powered rifle cartridges? “Intermediate cartridge” doesn’t have a legal definition or real use by sporting organizations.

      1. avatar binder says:

        7.62×51/.308 low powered? OK now you are being cute. The ONLY reason any of these cartridges have been classified as a “handgun” round is because of the stupid SBR laws and people are trying to skirt the laws.

        ““Intermediate cartridge” doesn’t have a legal definition or real use by sporting organizations.”

        No , intermediate cartridge is a historical military definition as well as a recognized firearms term. “low-powered” is not.

        Technobabble is not going to help. Anyone who knows their shit is going to throw it back in your face.

        Here is the reason mass murder guns use a smaller cartridge than a hunting rifle. When you are planning on dumping a 1000 rounds into a crowd, you want a something that is not too heavy to carry and easy to control when you are firing as fast as possible. A hunting rifle is designed to shoot one thing, thus you only need one or two rounds, so “big” rounds are fine. For mass murder you want MORE rounds that are light to carry and easy to control in rapid fire, thus a “small” round. That’s why 12 gauge is great for home defense, one or two bad guys, BIG bullets and AR-15 is great for mass murder, LOTS of bullets.

        Now how is THAT for a layman explanation on why the cartridge for a AR-15 is “small”

  2. avatar Gun Free School Zones are a crime against humanity says:

    A high quality Tec-9? Now that’s funny.

    1. avatar Geoff PR says:

      “A high quality Tec-9? Now that’s funny.”

      Did you see the pics?

      They were making ’em nicer than TEC made ’em.

      CNC-machined aluminum bodies powder-coated instead of plastic, etc, etc, etc.

      1. avatar neiowa says:

        unlike the original molded polymer lower receiver of the TEC-9 / DC-10, copies were produced using two CNC-machined halves bolted together for ease of construction

        Poorly written but the original POS had a stamped receiver. I think the writer is say these had a two part receiver each of machined plastic. “bolted” together. Certainly taking POS to a new level.

    2. avatar binder says:

      Open bolt guns are easy. Machining out the guns is a LOT easier than stamping or polymer . The only reason stamped guns are “better” is lower mass production costs. Also did you see that CNC machine in the background. Making a open bolt gun in a fully equipped machine shop is not hard. What I would like to know is how they are putting together the barrel and trunnion.

    3. avatar Dog of War says:

      Hey now, don’t knock it. Besides, there’s been more than TEC-9 knock offs comouing out of Canadian black market arms factories. There’s been reports of lots of MAC copies of various flavors being found up there in Canukistan. Not fancy, but they work if they’re well lubricated.

      Personally I think it’s great. Everyone needs their own personal arms factory. Screw all forms of gun control!

  3. avatar Aaron M. Walker says:

    Oh, they forgot to upload the records declaring someone “an enemy of the state!” Because you known that will be the real end result of these exercises…It eventually won’t be just felons declared “prohibited persons.” But the slippery slope leading to certain rebellious types of individuals, political dissidents that espouse conservative/libertarian/constitutionalist ideology. That believe in the U.S. Constitution às written…Including the right to keep and bear arms for the common defense …Time to wake up, smell the coffee, and fight the future!

  4. avatar Mack Bolan says:

    Anders Breivik understood that real Norwegians have a right to exist and to protect their nation, customs and culture. He didn’t slaughter innocents, he fired the first shots in the 4th generation war between Nationalists and Globalists.

    If you don’t send them back, if you don’t sink their boats, you will have to kill them in the streets.

    1. avatar anonymoose says:

      He killed the future leaders of the Socialist Party who will continue to bring more snackbars into Norway. Of course if you kill one, two more will take their place.

    2. avatar Gun Free School Zones are a crime against humanity says:

      He murdered children. Justify it in your twisted mind any way you wish. There’s no difference in you or hoggboy or pelosi or bloomberg or soros. You’re all human and civil rights violating nazi garbage.

      1. avatar Mack Bolan says:

        Right….because I am clearly an open border, one world, one government type like Soros, Bloomberg and Pelosi.

        And exactly whose civil rights am I violating you doddering old fool?

        1. avatar Gun Free School Zones are a crime against humanity says:

          You are calling for the violation of human and civil rights. You know, like soros and bloomberg. You praise the murder of children. Even if the murderer was in a legit war of which he was a soldier he would be guilty of crimes against humanity. And you support him.

          And your hatred of boomers is well known. It shows another dark and twisted side of you. No doubt your parents or grandparents are boomers.

          All in all every comment you make indicates a very disturbed individual. If you are sincere in your beliefs you are a bigger threat to America than open borders.

          And just so you don’t twist it around I do not support open borders.

          Regardless of their claims bloomberg and that bunch are nothing more than fascists. Just like you.

        2. avatar Mack Bolan says:

          So triggered. I can enjoy my day now.

    3. avatar New Continental Army says:

      Wow. That’s a pretty epic line of bull Shit, even from you. I guess it’ll please you to know, he’ll be a free man before he’s 50. Yes, you heard that right. He killed 77, and will be free one day, not to far from now, to kill again. Madeningly liberal Norway can’t keep anyone in prison longer than 20 years. Keep that in mind next time you want to vote for a liberal/libertarian who wants to abolish the death penalty and reduce sentencing guidelines.

      1. avatar Mack Bolan says:

        It does please me. What will please me more is when they erect a stature in his honor and name him the patron saint of Norway.

        1. avatar GS650G says:

          You seriously admire that killer?

        2. avatar New Continental Army says:

          So, you admit you approve of blatant liberalism, then.

        3. avatar New Continental Army says:

          Here’s also where a visit from the FBI would be in order, but as we all know, they won’t care. They won’t bother as “Mack Bolan” becomes the next Charleston shooter. They’ll allow him to go on a killing spree to further they’re gun control push.

        4. avatar Mack Bolan says:

          …and there you go. Your skin suit falls off exposing the little Statist you are.

          .

        5. avatar Mack Bolan says:

          @GS650G

          Admire would be too strong a word. I do think history will see him as a patriot of Norway. Just as Socialists see Che Guevara/

          Hell if he were in America, and shot up CPAC, he would probably get out of prison and become a professor and friend to the President like Bill Ayers.

        6. avatar Joe R. says:

          FUCKING (D)head John Hinkley shot a sitting President, and has already had supervised visits home because he ‘did it to impress Jodi (born too late to be Jane Fonda or Bruce Jenner) Foster’.

          The evil POS MFn (D) are a fucking scourge. And that includes all of the POS voters.

          I think civil war may come just after the midterms, regardless of outcomes.

    4. avatar New Continental Army says:

      Honestly, I think TTAG aught to report this dude. I know, the FBI will drop the ball again, but TTAG might as well try to do the right thing.

      1. avatar Joe R. says:

        That’s projection. Don’t be a cack choked loser calling down the thunder cause you’ll be the one likely getting the no-knock-cack-swat.

        That is, if you were from here.

    5. avatar Southern Cross says:

      As far as I’m concerned, Anders Breivik should suffer the same fate as Vikdun Quisling. The Norwegian’s temporarily allow capital punishment, execute the person, and then revoke the punishment.

      Despite his beliefs, there is absolutely no excuse for his actions. And he has been complaining about the conditions of his confinement. Perhaps a temporary relocation to Gitmo might shut him up after a few waterboarding sessions.

      1. avatar a nother bloke says:

        mate….don’t be so bloody gullible believing media BS….eh?
        have you looked into “the incident” in question?
        i have…..although, admittedly, its a while back….
        there are several, un-answered questions abt it all….
        in fact: there are un-answered questions abt all of these ‘mass shootings’ ……
        although, IIRC, the incident-in-question also involved a ‘bombing’

    6. avatar Geoff PR says:

      Breivik will *never* be released.

      The way they work it is, after his term is finished, he’s eligible for ‘parole’.

      At the parole hearing, the victims have a say in if he gets parole.

      70 families at the parole hearing? He’s *never* getting out.

      But he will have a cushy Norwegian prison cell and have internet privileges in the common area…

  5. avatar New Continental Army says:

    We were winning, actually, up until parkland. We were winning pretty solidily too. The last few months though, for some reason we’ve seen a rapid turn the other way, and many on our side cave, or just flat out give up. If we can get back to a united, organized, front, like we had in 10, 13, 14, and 16, we can turn this tide. But it’s going to mean playing smart, and staying united. We’ve got 6 months till the midterms to put a sand barge in front of the “blue wave.” Honestly, gun control is the best place to start on that barge. Make this election about gun control. Make them run on that platform. Make our side run against thar in the open. Make them talk in public about repealing the 2A. That’s how we won before, that’s how we’ll win again.

    1. avatar Gun Free School Zones are a crime against humanity says:

      We’re losing ground on the ‘stay united’ front. Too many people that are willing to give up large tracts of the US to the enemy. The ‘just movers’ that are willing to accept that our human and civil rights are dependent on our zip code.

      This fight needs to be framed in terms of human and civil rights, not just guns.

      1. avatar Mack Bolan says:

        The “Human Rights” nonsense is why we are in the mess we are in. The historical and observable reality is that as Western Civilization is being invaded, the morals, laws and customs will be re-written to suit the invaders.

        The 2nd amendment, hell the constitution as a whole will be replaced or the United States will be partitioned if the current trend continues.

        1. avatar Joe R. says:

          Followed by open season. No tag, no limit, no rest, no quarter.

        2. avatar Gun Free School Zones are a crime against humanity says:

          *SIGH* You are such a rabid fascist. Without human and civil rights the US is not worth saving. We become just another 3rd rate shithole with no freedom.

        3. avatar ACP_arms says:

          Straw-man much.

        4. avatar Mack Bolan says:

          Fascism=Socialism+Nationalism. I simply cant be a fascist because I despise every form of socialism.

          Also the human and civil rights you keep squealing about only exist in the West and are a byproduct of Western Civilization aka Christendom. The less European and the less Christian the West becomes, the faster your precious civil and human rights go away.

          Its textbook cognitive dissonance.

    2. avatar Mike Hawkizard says:

      Our side was united because we had a common enemy in the Obama admin and the Dem majority. Sure you had the FUDDs but they were finally being drowned out in the media.
      Now that that’s gone, our side has become overrun by the sheep who bleat “Mahhhhhga!” They hear that “their” guy is for restrictions on our rights, it’s suddenly ok. Ban bumpstocks? The sheep say they’re useless plastic, let the government take them. Who cares that the precedent being set will hurt us down the road, Trump said ban so ban. ERPOs? Trump said take the guns, then go to court. Trump said it so let’s roll!!

      Anyone with half a brain knows full well that everyone would be fighting like hell if Obama or HRC was in office pulling this crap.

  6. avatar GS650G says:

    As I’ve said before depending on legislation, law, courts, and politicians is not going to work . Emotion beats it every time and the media is good at it.

  7. avatar Nanashi says:

    “Why We Are Losing the Fight for the Second Amendment and What We Can Do About It”

    Get rid of the controlled opposition like Wayne LaPierre Laval, Chris Cox and Marion Hammer.

    1. avatar neiowa says:

      One note Nancy is back a trolling.

  8. avatar RCC says:

    Never heard of the Australian “artist” maybe have him sent to gun free North Korea.

    1. avatar California Richard says:

      He’s going to L.A., S.F., and N.Y. …. he isn’t exactly stepping out on a limb or trying to convince anybody who doesn’t already agree with him here. If he was serious about his beliefs he would go on FOX news or seek out venues to argue his points and “win” the battle of thoughts and ideas….. none of these people can do that because their ideas are illogical and they quickly degenerate to screaming, crying, and name calling. They either have an unchallenged platform (like this Ausie does) or they shut down dissenting ideas by screaming.

    2. avatar Southern Cross says:

      Neither have I and I’m an Aussie, but he is from Adelaide best known as “the city of churches” and also for serial killers. And artists are also known as dole bludgers because of their reliance on welfare.

      Perhaps he needs a situation where a DGU could change his mind.

      Remember, not all artists are playing jokes on the public. Some are genuinely mad.

    3. avatar a nother bloke says:

      “ICE” can refuse any-one admittance to the US;
      in fact: they don’t even hafta give a reason;
      my mate’s brother got ‘turned back’ @ LAX many years ago (just after 9/11 ) for a 10+ yr old minor assault conviction that did not even merit a prison term and that wouldn’t have even shown up on the standard AUssie cop dBase;
      he just had to wait around in the departure lounge for the next flight back to Sydney;
      what i’m trying to say is if this artist character is let in….then….there are some very powerful “higher up`s” in the US fed(dot)gov who are ‘approving’ it……

  9. avatar Scoutino says:

    “Drew said he would travel to Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York in August where he hoped to speak to American people about the issue and how things are done in his home country.”
    Why is he skipping Chicago? Is the murder capital not worthy of his wisdom? Funny how he plans to preach only to the gun grabbing choir in progressive nests of crime.

  10. avatar Gun Owning American says:

    Coming soon: Islamic Republic of Norway.

    1. avatar Mack Bolan says:

      Halal Lutefisk is in their future.

  11. avatar a nother bloke says:

    We are losing the fight for the Second Amendment. We are losing it in the courts. We are losing it in the legislatures. We are losing it in the media, in the schools and with young people…..
    The approach we have been using to protect the Second Amendment for many years has failed, is failing and will continue to fail

    no! and…again… NO
    youse are ‘losing’ b’cs the NRA et al continues to concede the validity of very, very, ‘suss’ incidents called “mass shootings”;
    and…you will continue to lose unless and until you start calling “BS” on those bogus incidents….

  12. avatar a nother bloke says:

    Taking his cues from every other poser on this topic in Australia, Adelaide ‘artist’ Peter Drew is the latest drone that has taken it upon himself to go and lecture Americans about gun laws…

    what’s his FaceBook?
    i’ll rip the gun-grabbing maggot a new arse-hole!|
    there was NO justification for AUstrl’s bogus gun laws…..they’re all based on a BS hoax! 😠

  13. avatar ironicatbest says:

    Damn the luck, I just bought twenty five shares of Perfection Metal. They promised production of .9 mm black as salt pistol with a thing swings up, and a hi hat magclipzine with hollow boolits

  14. avatar Johnny108 says:

    “Australia: it works”…….?
    “America: Not Australia”

    Try that shit in the US, and it will precipitate the 2nd Civil War.
    Without the US, Australia will become Chinese property VERY quickly.

    1. avatar Southern Cross says:

      While we are similar, we are not the same. I’m an Aussie who is also a self-confessed POTG for over 30 years.

    2. avatar cisco kid says:

      to Johnny Come lately,

      quote————–Try that shit in the US, and it will precipitate the 2nd Civil War.
      Without the US, Australia will become Chinese property VERY quickly————quote


      You had better wake up to what has already happened in the U.S. No riots at all when California recently announced confiscation and melt down of semi-auto rifles and ammo restrictions. No riots when the Massachusetts Attorney General ruled by “decree” with no new law being passed that all semi-auto assault rifles were to be banned in 24 hours and she later got the blessing from the corrupt courts in her State and it was refused a hearing in the Supreme Court which is dodging the Heller Decision as they too are now bowing to Public panic and opinion on America’s gun problems of weekly mass murders.

      You the “gun owner” are now considered a dangerous menace to civilized society according to the nightly news networks. Not true of course but that is still today’s reality and its working as public opinion has now swung against all gun ownership period.

      1. avatar a nother bloke says:

        don’t kid yr-self, pal!
        since gun-owners are the most law-abiding people there are, most are waiting to see how it will all ‘pan out’ in the courts and in the legislature/ballot box;
        when those avenues have been exhausted, it will be time to act….
        the laws banning MSSAs in Connecticut and New York state, for instance, have been openly flouted and ignored and some sheriffs are, even, refusing to enforce the laws…..
        so…gun-owners are just ‘daring’ TPTB to ‘throw the first punch’;
        we’ll see what happens if they got the guts to actually try that!

  15. avatar Anonymous says:

    Froelich said the ban would require owners of existing semi-automatic weapons to give them up, as well as prohibiting future sales. He estimated it would affect about 2,000 owners in the country of 5.3 million inhabitants.

    Not surprised about Norway. This is what happens when people don’t like freedom and responsibility in the hands of the people. This is also what happens when gun owners become a minority. The majoritarian tyrants take over. Basically, the once held belief that you were responsible for yourself and your own transitioned to the village was responsible for you. And those 2000 gun owners were the select few whose culture hadn’t yet embraced that. And now it’s time for them to force you. And they do it with government officials arriving with (ironically) semi automatic weapons.

    There is nothing wrong with the democracy/republic where the people of that democracy culturally embrace a “live and let live” philosophy. But eventually, and inevitably, they break down into people with opinions looking to use the majority as a club, against the minority, that is the natural transition, when the culture changes their opinion from individual liberty and responsibility, to a collective one where the government’s purpose becomes social engineering, and care taker.

  16. avatar Anonymous says:

    Drew said he would travel to Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York in August where he hoped to speak to American people about the issue and how things are done in his home country.

    What’s the matter? No fly over states?

  17. avatar rt66paul says:

    Many felons did not get there misusing firearms or even having firearms around. Those who did not have that type of history should have a way to get those rights back. Who is in more danger in the US than ex-cons? The police won’t protect them, so they could need protection from the violent prison gangs that they were forced to hang with inside prison.

  18. avatar burley says:

    The problem with the cultural aspect of the firearms debate is that we’ve allowed the GOV to educate our children from a younger and younger age. If you didn’t either home school or send your kids to private school, YOU are part of the problem. Step 1: take our kids back. If you allow anyone to teach your kids anything about America other than; it’s sole purpose is Liberty for the Individual, then you are to blame for the mess we’re in. I’m sure that I’ve offended most of you, but facts don’t care about your feelings. If you’ve blathered on about how you can’t trust a politician, why in the world did you allow them to set the curriculum for your kids?! If you’ve studied any history at all, you KNOW that all statists want to control education. Government funded Education WILL become indoctrination, every single time. If you don’t know this, study some flipping history! Regrettably, it may well indeed be time to exercise the original intent of the 2A. When you realize that you can’t reason with people who were taught WHAT to think rather than HOW to think, and say things like the government should pass a law…

  19. avatar Time4Truth says:

    He’s going to Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York to speak to the American people? I couldn’t think of 3 cities that could be any less representative of America. Congrats on filling the echo chamber

  20. avatar cisco kid says:

    Gun owners and the NRA have no one to blame but themselves. No civilized nation on earth lets people buy a gun without a background check, or require strict mandatory gun safety training and also no requirements for safe firearms storage to prevent thefts and accidental child shootings.

    The States and the Military are also to blame by not updating current information into the Brady Bill which was castrated by the NRA when it was originally past by letting private sales go unvetted.

    And lastly the lack of a Federal laws mandating universal background checks and universal mandatory storage lets States with lax laws funnel tens of thousands of guns into our bigger cities and right into the hands of the underworld and the street punk Police tracings of guns have for years pointed to this problem and proved it beyond any doubt yet nothing was ever done about it.

    With mass murders now a weekly reality the Courts are simply reacting to public pressure by completely trashing the Second Amendment with the now and lately blessings by the Supreme Court which has once again chosen to refuse to hear important Second Amendment cases thereby avoiding the embarrassment of contradicting the Heller Decision. Some lower courts have blatantly declared that the Second Amendment will now mean “what they say it means” which is the right to ban any and all guns to put complete power into the hands of the “power elite” something they have long wanted to do and now that public opinion is on their side they know they can and do get away with any anti-gun decision they make. What really shook the gun world was when the Attorney General in Massachusetts ruled “by decree” that semi-auto weapons would be banned in 24 hours with no new laws passed and the corrupt courts gave her their blessing. That was the wake up call to even the most retarded of gun owners that the Second Amendment was now history.

    The harsh reality is that hunting has become so expensive and many times outright banned in various communities that gun ownership is at an all time low, with some stats showing only 36 per cent of the public even own a gun and the 64 per cent that do not see no reason why guns should not be completely banned.

    Kids today that no longer have any rural communities because they were long ago eaten up by suburban sprawl do not even live within driving distance of places that they could hunt on or shoot on. Kids see such sports as hunting or target shooting portrayed in the media as merely a depraved sport of para military racist lunatics and sadists. And sadly there are such groups that have given the normal sportsman hunter a bad name. Anti-gun propaganda is not all lies but a mixture of lies, half truths and truths and it is very effective in influencing both non gun owning adults and children especially when the bullets start blasting and shooting up their schools on a weekly basis.

    Kids today are in a blind panic whenever they go into their schools as they know they have become targets in weekly shooting galleries by nut cases that have no problem getting all the firepower they could ever want because not all gun and ammo sales are vetted. Is it any wonder that the majority of these kids that have never even owned a gun would not want to see them all banned. We have succeeded in breeding an entire new generation of young people who fear and hate all firearms, all hunting, and all all gun sports. That is the reality of the 21st Century like or not, deny it or not.

    1. avatar a nother bloke says:

      lol
      yr “laboring under the delusions” that governments actually still have the moral authority to tell people what they can and can’t do let alone what they can and can’t own…..they do NOT

    2. avatar burley says:

      So much bs in one (long) post. Mass shooting are not weekly and they most certainly DO occur in every other modern nation. The rest of your diatribe is so much drivel. “Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you…”

  21. avatar ironicatbest says:

    It would all work out if the courts would just follow the letter of the law.( Ie.) A Child molester is judged by a group of his ‘peers’, they say he is innocent, so then Daddy chops up the child molester and he is judged by a group if his ‘peers’. Easy fix

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