They Know They Can’t Win If They Call It Gun Control – Quote of the Day

courtesy giffords.org

“For a long time, gun safety had kind of fallen off the radar as a major issue. We want to re-focus attention on gun safety as something [voters] should be thinking about when deciding who to support.” – Giffords political director Isabelle James in 8 races where gun control is front and center [via washingtonexaminer.com]

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  1. avatar Aaron M. Walker says:

    Well then…Maybe its time for serious action by every 2nd Amendment organization in our country to prevent our Constitutional rights from being steamrolled by political opposition and their supporters. Who blatantly lie, use false hoods , out right deceit, and authoritarianism to force their cause…All these constructs are infringements! Plain and simple….

    1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      And it shows something much more important: that gun grabbers KNOW they cannot win us over with the truth!

      When an entity knows that they cannot win you over with the truth and proceeds to deceive you, they have become thieves because they are fraudulently attempting to obtain your resources in support of their cause. They deserve imprisonment for their fraud.

      1. avatar Toni says:

        this sort of fraud goes way beyond simple fraud. at minimum jail for life (term of their natural life) in a dank dark dungeon fed noting but stale bread and water. preferably hanging as it is so close to treason and does amount to treason with what they want to bring in once they have all the guns. it has nothing to do with safety or crime control and everything to do with power and control

    2. avatar Freebird says:

      I would love to see TTAG and others following advancing Anti Gun Bills at both state / fed. level.
      Finding the proposed + introduced bills is easy enough , but following their passage through committiee to final vote can be tricky. — We KNOW they like to ‘ sneak attack ‘ and pass crap in the dead of night when nobody is looking !
      —————– KEEP EYES ON THE BALL , EVERYBODY.

      Firearm Owners Against Crime , is a great easy resource to find recent gun bills , state or federal. — With that info. we can monitor WHEN / IF they get voted on and can CALL Reps – Senators in real time.

      https://foac-pac.org/

    3. avatar Jonathan-Houston says:

      Why is it that every time I read something in the comments here that intimates something untoward, it’s always posted by user names I’ve never seen before in my six years of commenting on TTAG?

      It’s those things that make you go “Hmmm.”

      Or, it makes you go “Shouldn’t you entrapment-attempting, sting-running FBI agents be back at HQ, busy ignoring the next long string of blindingly fluorescent red flags of the next spree shooter wannabe, instead of trolling in here and harassing law abiding, albeit vocal, firearms owners?”

      I’m asking for a friend.

  2. avatar John in IN says:

    Gun control protects rapists. Why would she be pro-rape?

    1. avatar FedUp says:

      That would be discrimination.
      She’s pro-crime in all diverse forms of criminal endeavor.

    2. avatar Joe R. says:

      Gun control protects tyrranical communists. Why would she be such a little satan’s cack-sackin MFn POS EVIL (D)?

  3. avatar TrappedInCommiefornia says:

    I agree, gun safety should be a top priority. That’s why we should teach kids in schools as early as kindergarten the “see a gun, don’t touch, tell an adult”, and at 10 the 4 rules of gun safety and how to properly use a firearm.
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    Wait, that’s not what you meant. You meant safety from guns that force people to do bad things because they’re talismans of evil. Oh, ok then… have fun in the padded room.

    1. avatar Unrepentant Libertarian says:

      Precisely, if they really wanted gun safety then they would push the fundamental rules of safety. When the anti-gun mafia start in using “gun safety” we should loudly exclaim that gun control is not gun safety and ask that they tell the audience what the four rules of real gun safety are. We can even help them if they seem a little confused about true safety with firearms.

  4. avatar Skippy Sanchez says:

    Isaiah 10:15: “Is the axe to boast itself over the one who chops with it? Is the saw to exalt itself over the one who wields it? That would be like a club wielding those who lift it, Or like a rod lifting him who is not wood.”

    The context here is that God used the king of Assyria to correct his people, but the king presumes he pulled it off all by himself. Nonetheless, I found it interesting that the tool does not control the person, but the other way around. Just a thought after reading through Isaiah the other day.

    1. avatar former water walker says:

      Well said .Personal responsibility is a major theme of the Bible. We will all stand before GOD and no guns will…

    2. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

      Well said Skippy.

  5. avatar Rusty Chains says:

    Part of the battle is always going to be language. The way to beat that is to always paint the left with the “gun control” paint brush. No matter who places the ads, remind people that gun safety is what is taught by NRA, and gun control is what is supported by socialist candidate X.

    Remind people often enough and “gun safety” will again belong to NRA.

    1. avatar Joe R. says:

      “Part of the battle is always going to be language. ”

      Part of the battle is always going to be THE FIGHT AGAINST THE LYING MOTHERFUCKERS, PUSHING GUN CONTROL AS A MEANS TO PEOPLE CONTROL.

      NO ONE CAN PROTECT YOU ON AN INDIVIDUAL LEVEL. ANYONE CLAIMING THEY CAN IS WRONGFULLY LYING ON PURPOSE IN ORDER FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO DO TYRRANY WITH IMPUNITY.

      IT WILL BE AN ETETNAL PROBLEM as long as it’s a “conversation” and UNTIL YOU KILL THE MFrs. History has already spoken.

      1. avatar Rusty Chains says:

        Wow, I never said have a conversation with those people. The first question they always ask is what will you give up, and that is the wrong direction, always. The antis are by definition anti freedom and untrustworthy. The war we are fighting with them is, at this time, a war of language, votes, and lawyers to some degree.

        While reason can never work with the antis, it does work, and can motivate people who can be reasoned with. We need to influence the un-committed and convert those we can. Shouting converts no one and turns people off. Be the voice of reason for reason and logic are our best tools and cut hard against our enemy, who can only use emotion, and deceit.

        1. avatar Joe R. says:

          Typing doesn not equal shouting. The noise is all in your head.

          And yes, history has proven that the only way to protect yourself from MFrs like the POS communist (D) gun-grabbers is by eradication through capital and mortal combat.

          Skip to the end of the argument, jump to the end of the game, quit Fing around with the stuff that’s binding your wrist to your ankle, i.e. : ‘framework’ / ‘buy-in’ / ‘PR’.

      2. avatar Gutshot says:

        Can’t say I disagree. Trying to reason with unreasonable simpletons and the evil puppetmasters that hold their strings is a lesson in futility. History played that movie over and over, the ending doesn’t change.

      3. avatar Unrepentant Libertarian says:

        Listening to Satan much? He loves nothing more than humans killing each other over hatred of the “other”. Now if they want to assault you because of your arguments, then feel free to defend yourself the best way you know how!

        1. avatar Gutshot says:

          Satan is a liberal.

        2. avatar Joe R. says:

          Right, like we’re not under assault now?

          Enough with the “The knife is only pressed into your shirt, not your belly” shit is done with.

          F em all

  6. avatar DrDKWd says:

    We already have “When SECONDS count, the police are MINUTES away!”
    We really need some more catchy slogans like maybe –

    “Freedom of choice – SELF- DEFENSE or RAPE?”
    or
    “When government won’t, WHO WILL PROTECT YOU?”
    or
    “The Bill of Rights is NOT OPTIONAL!”

    and enough people to carry the signs and counter the hysteria,
    that is if they’re not too busy worrying about the size of their next big-screen TV, or making the payments on that new Lexus!

    1. avatar Huntmaster says:

      And given recent events “Whatcha gonna do when 911… hangs up!

    2. avatar JasonM says:

      “When seconds count, the cops will stand around outside and let a madman slaughter your children.”

    3. avatar Joe R. says:

      “Cops are there for clean up and paperwork’

  7. avatar Craig in IA says:

    Just the failing anti-Constitutionalist left trying to change the narrative which is once again collapsing on them as the general public starts to separate the facts from the hype. If stats were important, and they never are with the left- considering the increase in privately-owned firearms over the past 2 decades versus the decrease in actual firearms accidents within the same time frame there’s no “gun safety” issue here at all.

    As much as the left hates the NRA and the Second Amendment and Constitution for which it stands, they cannot convince normal, law-abiding mainstream American men and women (and even those “in-between”) to give up something they have a right to whether or not they have chosen to participate at this time; you never know.

    This tactic will not work, it hasn’t in the past and won’t in the forseeable future.

  8. avatar Mack Bolan says:

    First they come for the guns, then they put people in camps. Gun Control leads to genocide. Will it be your people?

  9. avatar DrDKW says:

    And another –
    “After you CONTROL the guns, who will CONTROL the KILLERS?”

    DrDKW

    1. avatar Mack Bolan says:

      Gun Control is Black Control!

      The 2nd protects the 13th.

      1. avatar Mark N. says:

        I see what you are trying to say, but the way you have phrased is ambiguous and is subject to misinterpretation as a racist remark. Perhaps more direct would be: Control of Guns = Control of Blacks. Don’t Be a Slave to the Democratic Party.

  10. avatar anarchyst says:

    The problem is, we have allowed the anti Second Amendment crowd to define the terms.
    A firearm is a tool which possesses no evil intent on its own. Assigning intent to an inanimate object is the epitome of insanity. Demonizing a weapon on “looks alone” also marks the accuser as an unstable individual who is also insane. Call them out on their illogic and insanity.
    Another dirty tactic the anti-Second Amendment crowd uses exposes children to potential and actual harm by putting them in “gun-free zones”. These people care not one wit about children, but uses them for their own nefarious purposes.
    We need to TAKE BACK the argument…
    When the antis blame the firearm for the actions of a criminal, state that: “a firearm is an inanimate object, subject only to the intent of the user”. Firearms ARE “equalizers” and are used to preserve life and make a 90 lb. woman equal to a 200 lb. criminal”.
    When the antis attempt to justify their “gun free zones” counter their misguided argument with “you mean, criminal safety zones” or “victim disarmament zones”.
    State that “we protect our money, banks, politicians and celebrities, buildings and facilities with PEOPLE WITH GUNS, but protect our children with “gun-free zone” signs”.
    When the antis state that: “you don’t need and AR-15”, counter with, “Who are YOU to consider what I need or want?”
    When the antis criticize AR-15s in general, counter with: “you mean the most popular rifle of the day, use able by even the smallest, weakest person as a means of self-defense. Besides, AR-15s are FUN to shoot”. Offer to take them to the range and supply them with an AR-15, ammunition and range time. I have made
    many converts this way.
    When the antis state that: “You don’t need an AR-15 to hunt with”, counter with “AR-15s ARE used for hunting, but in many states, are prohibited from being used to take large game because they are underpowered”.
    When the antis state that: “AR-15s are high powered rifles”, correct them by stating that “AR-15s with the .223 or 5.56mm cartridge are considered medium-powered weapons–NOT “high-powered” by any means”.
    When the antis state that: “the Constitution was written during the time of muskets, and that the Second Amendment should only apply to “weapons of that time period”, state that: “by your logic, the First Amendment should not apply to modern-day telecommunications, internet, television, radio, public-address systems, books and newspapers produced on high-speed offset printing presses. Only “town-criers” and Benjamin Franklin type printing presses would be covered under the First Amendment”.
    When the antis state that “only law enforcement and government should possess firearms”, remind them of the latest school shooting, as well as Columbine, where “law enforcement” SAT ON THEIR HANDS while children were being murdered, citing “officer safety”, afraid to challenge the shooter, despite being armed to the hilt. The government-run murderous sieges at Ruby Ridge and Waco are also good examples of government (mis)use of firearms. Let’s not forget the millions murdered under communism by their governments AFTER their firearms were confiscated.
    This tome can be used to counter any argument against any infringement of our Second Amendment.

    1. avatar Mark N. says:

      WE have not allowed the gun control crowd to control the narrative. Instead, it is that the mainstream media controls the narrative. The MSM does not typically broadcast our positions, and it uses the words of its own choosing in its “news” reports. How many times have you heard a couple of rifles, a pistol and a couple of hundred rounds of ammunition described as “an arsenal”? How many times has the news media reported that the assailant used an “AR 15 military style assault weapon”? On how many occasions did the MSM misrepresent what Robert told them (which caused him to record everything or not participate if that was refused), and how many times was he excluded from forums because he did not have the “right” side of the argument?

      The mainstream media actively censors pro-gun speech. And that we cannot control.

    2. avatar ChrisH62 says:

      Very well put! Bravo!

  11. avatar Mad Max says:

    More like “outlaw safey”.

    They’re sooo pro-criminal!

  12. avatar Imayeti says:

    We need to take guns out of all video games. It’s for the children.

  13. avatar barnbwt says:

    Meanwhile they introduce bills to ban the teaching of firearms safety or shooting sports in schools…

    1. avatar Mark N. says:

      Of course, they don’t want kids to realize that shooting sports are fun, and that they might therefore be encouraged to participate. Even seeing a gun will poison their souls, so that must be prohibited or limited as much as possible. The intent, through the educational system, is to program a whole generation or two of anti-gun adults, based on nothing more than an idealistic notion that if kids are not exposed to guns, they will not be “violent.” And that will cause a drop in gun sales, the collapse of the industry, and the banning of guns in America.

      1. avatar Scoutino says:

        My 9 years old son’s teacher asked him what caused the burn mark under his eye. When told that he was shooting 9 mm pistol and hot case flew behind his eye pro and got stuck there, she was appalled and sugested that he shouldn’t share this story with his classmates.
        In his school the “No guns” policy means no pictures of guns, no talking about guns and no thinking about guns.

  14. avatar ironicatbest says:

    . Just because you don’t own cows doesn’t mean you can’t get on a horse and play cowboy. That manliness, join the army, gun thing is out of line. Bring back the draft? Did something change, both my sons have draft cards I’m pretty sure.

  15. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

    Gun control/gun safety/gun grabbin by another name is Tyranny,as are those who are proponents of such are Tyrannous !

  16. avatar RA-15 says:

    I have allways hated being lied to. Deception seems to be the tactic of the time. I feel it is better to be honest and truthfully. It may make someone angry with you for telling the truth but, I will be less angry if I am told the truthful facts , than lied to and later the liar decides to tell me the truth. Give me facts , give me the truth , or I will be pissed off at having been deceived. Children lie sometimes , that’s their mentality. Adults are ” should be ” held to a higher standard. Don’t try these deceit tactics on me like a coward , scared to get slapped. I want the left to realize what we are fighting for. What we fought for. Stop taking our constitution for granted , making shit up as you go Allong. Be mindful of what you say ,and how you say it. We aren’t going to allow you to take our constitutional rights from us. No matter how much shit you put on a pile and call it anything other than what it is , shit !!

    1. avatar Toni says:

      yes people used to get run out of town for having a severe lack of honesty and integrity. often if they had a horse it was taken and replaced with a mule which they were tied to backwards after being tarred and feathered. even outlaws like billy the kid had more integrity than these lot and that is saying a hell of a lot

  17. avatar GS650G says:

    Guns provide safety for people against stronger, more numerous opponents.
    There is your gun safety platform.

  18. avatar BierceAmbrose says:

    It’s almost like people’s “safety” isn’t what they really want… huh.

  19. avatar Shire-man says:

    Gotta teach grade schoolers sex ed to keep them safe.
    Gotta teach grade schoolers about drugs to keep them safe.
    Gotta keep them completely ignorant and afraid of their 2nd Amendment right to keep them safe.

    It’s like they don’t really believe that knowledge is power at all. Or is it that they believe the right amount of knowledge about the right things will create the right kind of society? When education becomes political it becomes programming.

    1. avatar Toni says:

      thats right. they want a drug addled, perverse (including pedophilia) society as that is easier to control

  20. avatar PeterTx52 says:

    Doesn’t the NRA teach about gun safety?

  21. avatar Frank in VA says:

    “You can’t practice gun safety without a gun” is something that needs to be said more often in the media and in every debate where it comes up.

    Gun safety is the safe handling and storage of firearms, and therefore requires the presence of guns. Most TTAG readers understand this. The general public needs to understand it, too, including non gun owners. Then perhaps they will perceive the deception intended by the antis.

    Every time an anti tries to mis-use the phrase ‘gun safety’ in place of ‘gun control’, when what they mean is something more akin to prohibition, they need to be promptly interrupted and have this explained to them in a clear and appropriately condescending manner. They should be made to look silly and/or disingenuous for misusing the phrase.

    I’m not talking about the innocently ignorant, but rather the activists who know better. It should be a liability for them to utter the term in a misleading context. We can’t afford to let the phrase be co-opted without a fight.

  22. avatar Kyle in Upstate NY says:

    You will be hard-pressed to find a more lying, dishonest, deceitful, misleading group of people than the Gun Control Movement.

    1. avatar Joe R. says:

      BullFingsh_T.

      Any segment of the ENTIRETY of the evil MFn POS (D) have gun grabbers beat.

      But most are the evil POS (D) the rest are retarded canker-zombies.

  23. avatar Robert says:

    1. My father was on his high school rifle team (Baltimore City PUBLIC Schools.)
    2. When I was in high school (Baltimore City PUBLIC schools) we had a rifle team.
    OOPS! —– NO GUN VIOLENCE THERE!
    I have been advocating MANDATORY gun safety training since 1970. HOWEVER, there has always been a codicil. — It should also be MANDATORY that our government (through the school system) teach GUN SAFETY before students be allowed to graduate.
    very simple – Even if you are 100% anti-gun, your children visit friends. Many of the families they visit probably have guns in the house.
    Familiarity with guns should help breed respect for firearms, thus reducing their abuse.

  24. avatar KyKPH says:

    If they have to lie to you to get you to accept it, how could it possibly be the right thing to do?

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