Trump DOJ Wants to Speed Up Sales and Transfers of Machine Guns! Oh, And Silencers.

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Trump DOJ wants to speed up sales and transfers of machine guns. That’s the incendiary headline hovering over an abcnews.go.com story revealing — eventually — that the Department of Justice wants an additional $13.2m in the ATF budget to reduce NFA wait times. And when I say eventually, I mean after 10 paragraphs of machine gun misegos . . .

After last month’s school shooting in Parkland, Fla., that killed 17 people, President Donald Trump called for a ban on so-called bump stock devices that he said “turn legal weapons into machine guns.”

But at the same time, his administration is quietly pushing for millions more to allow the federal government to speed up approvals for the sale and transfer of actual machine guns . . .

The Senate Judiciary Committee’s top Democrat, Dianne Feinstein, calls making approvals for machine gun purchases a priority “unconscionable.”

“Our country has seen three dozen mass shootings since 20 children and 6 educators were murdered at Sandy Hook…Rather than focusing on a top gun lobby demand the administration should put money toward ATF to hire additional agents and improve the background check system,” Feinstein said.

Machine gun transfers account for a small percentage of the ATF’s NFA workload. The vast majority of their bureaucratic burden concern silencers. A fact that ABC buries even deeper in their hoplophobic hysteria.

Hysteria that somehow has to take account of these fascinating facts (and thanks for the pic of the ATF’s reference library). . .

The latest 2017 ATF data shows there are more than 630,000 machine guns registered with the ATF and more than 1.36 million silencers registered. Last year, according to ATF, more than 5.2 million weapons were registered under the NFA.

Wow! There are 630k machine guns in the U.S. and there hasn’t been a single post-Prohibition mass shooting with any of them? More than 1.36 million silencers and not a single whisper-quiet assassination?

Speaking of violent crime . . .

According to President Trump’s budget request, the additional funding would pay for 25 more people to “support the timely and effective registration of restricted weapons under the National Firearms Act while upholding the constitutional rights of the American people.”

But current and former ATF officials who spoke to ABC News on the condition of anonymity say reducing the backlog of applications for NFA restricted weapons has little to do with violent crime. “It would have minimal to no effect on combatting violent crime,” one former ATF official said. “It appears to be a compromise for the gun lobby,” the former official added.

They almost said it: machine guns and silencers have no effect on violent crime. Put that in your Second Amendment pipe and smoke it.

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  1. avatar Joe Brown says:

    They need more people to handle all the bump stocks and “rate increasing devices” that will now be treated like machine guns…

  2. avatar BlakeW83 says:

    There’s a cheaper way to speed up the wait times on NFA items….

    Its about time this administration did anything for the POTG that helped elect it. Now we’ve gotta hope the NRA doesn’t screw us over again.

  3. avatar bobo says:

    nudge nudge hey buddy ??

    DO NOT POST AMMO FOR THE OTHER SIDE!

    This is just wrong to post!

    “””Wow! There are 630k machine guns in the U.S. and there hasn’t been a single post-Prohibition mass shooting with any of them? More than 1.36 million silencers and not a single whisper-quiet assassination?”””

    I don’t know about you??
    But I do not want to fill out reams of paper and need the local cops signature, then wait 6 months to just buy a 22 bolt action??

    because left leaning crazy libs that grab guns will see your post in their crazy mind —as do this gun control, see it works!

  4. avatar Binder says:

    REGISTERED machine guns and silencers have no effect on violent crime. Are you advising the government to REGISTER all weapons?

  5. avatar DrewR55 says:

    Additional sources at the ATF, speaking on condition of anonymity, also say that ABC can “go screw themselves” ’cause the propaganda arm of the People’s Democratic Party calls for further firearm owner registration and then they complain about the existing registration processes that is required for law abiding citizens to receive their mandated government permission slips.

  6. avatar Cruzo1981 says:

    Since democrats can manufacture SBR’s without paperwork or paying why should the rest of us continue to support the NFA. We need to write our reps and repeal the NFA. If the 2 people that illegally created SBR’s aren’t given first class tickets to club Fed really fast then we shouldn’t have to deal with the NFA either.

  7. avatar Joe R. says:

    We’ll see. Until then, I’m calling

    F U < K I N G

    B U L L S H _ T

    M O N E Y . G R A B

    More same 'ole, same ole' "how can we maintain an adequate staff to oppress you if we can't do tyrannical communism" : (

    boo hoo

    F EM ALL HARD AND FAST WITHOUT LUBE

  8. avatar Nick says:

    Feinstein is clearly ignorant of the process. An increase in funding for NFA processing would in fact be hiring more agents to perform background checks (since that’s supposed to be part of the process). Besides, ATF isn’t the ones doing NICS checks, the FBI is.

    Again, she shows she knows nothing about what she’s talking about.

  9. avatar Joe R. says:

    @ BOBO

    ““””Wow! There are 630k machine guns in the U.S. and there hasn’t been a single post-Prohibition mass shooting with any of them? More than 1.36 million silencers and not a single whisper-quiet assassination?””””

    YOU’RE FORGETTING (already):
    BRIAN TERRY (R.I.P.)

    AND FAST & FURIOUS ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

    1. avatar John says:

      Nobody has forgotten Mr. Terry. He was murdered by a firearm that was allaowed to be sold to the mexican drug cartels by the Obama Administration including Eric Holder.
      To the best of my knowledge that was a semi automatic variant of an AK47. But let’s say I’m wrong and it was select fire. That would’ve had to be done criminally after the purchase. This was not an NFA firearm. Period

  10. avatar Joe R. says:

    no reply?

    WHY HAVE A BUTTON?

    wtf ever

  11. avatar Dr. J.D. says:

    I just have a very strong feeling inside, call it the Force perhaps, but I think that an NFA amnesty may very well be coming. We know that a law will probably (hopefully) not get passed with all the deadlock. ATF knows darn well that a bump stock is not statutorily an MG. So, they get told to make a rule. If they are redefined, there are two options: alter it/destroy it or registration amnesty. They (ATF) won’t want a potential few hundred thousand newly defined MGs floating around, so they may say an amnesty is needed. Best have your stuff together and ready, just in case. There really is no drawback for being ready for one.

  12. avatar Joe R. says:

    How much for ATF SHREADDING/ DUMPSTERS / AND PINK SLIPS?

  13. avatar former water walker says:

    Since I have no plans on buying a machinegun I don’t care. I don’t see this as 3-D chess either. I’d hate to come home from Afghanistan and not be able to buy a gun at 20…

  14. avatar Aaron M. Walker says:

    TTAG Excerpt:

    The Senate Judiciary Committee’s top Democrat, Dianne Feinstein, calls making approvals for machine gun purchases a priority “unconscionable.”

    “Our country has seen three dozen mass shootings since 20 children and 6 educators were murdered at Sandy Hook…Rather than focusing on a top gun lobby demand the administration should put money toward ATF to hire additional agents and improve the background check system,” Feinstein said.
    __________________________________________

    Isn’t it time for Kalifornia voters to put this old bat out to pasture!

  15. avatar Jay Williams says:

    Anyone know why I can’t “Reply” to comments? Clicking “Reply” to a previous comment just scrolls down the page a tiny bit. Nothing more. I’m using Chrome, but tried it in IE 11, too.

  16. avatar J says:

    Please help save our 2nd Amendment rights. Please pass the first link to others so we can get this petition sent to the White House.

    Oppose Gun Control and Weapons Ban Legislation

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/oppose-gun-control-and-weapons-ban-legislation

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov

  17. avatar Docduracoat says:

    The Department of Justice is writing the ban bumpstock rule, not the ATF
    The rule is a ban on possession of any rate increasing device
    That includes binary triggers, Gatling guns and anything else that increases rate of fire
    No amnesty, no registration, current owners of legally acquired property are required to destroy or discard them
    Just like was just passed in Florida
    Trump got us NOTHING in exchange for the bump stock ban!

  18. avatar n64456 says:

    That’s considering they aren’t just going to declare them “contraband” and order them to be surrendered as “illegal machine guns”….

  19. avatar Ed Schrade says:

    Jay Williams…… I have been experiencing the same issue on the replying under a name. Maybe it’s the Russians.

  20. avatar Chris T in KY says:

    Its interesting how so many people on TTAG and the rest of the so called “gun owners” say a Bump Stock is “not Safe” and bad, and a Machine Gun is better and good!!!

    My Bump Stock cost me only $189 instead of $8000 or $45,000 and up for a 40 plus year old machine gun. I understand why the leadership in the gun community is soooooo concerned about making “high end” gun purchases much easier to make.

  21. avatar 7.62x54r says:

    If you reply fast enough to the very last comment, it works.

  22. avatar strych9 says:

    The ATF has been talking about this for some time. They’ve also recommended removing silencers from the NFA to 1) reduce NFA Branch workload and 2) because silencers are nearly never used in crimes (this apparently, according to the BATFE is true of both registered and unregistered silencers) and therefore they see no point in doing the extra work for something that poses no threat.

    They’ve posted a memo and, IIRC, also written to Congress about this topic.

    I mentioned this some time ago.

  23. avatar ironicatbest says:

    @ Jay Williams, It’s the same on mine. It’s fucked up, that’s why

  24. avatar Lowell says:

    I’ve had this sneaking suspicion the entire time that pistol braces were only given the okay to lesson the paperwork burden. Considering that I am building a 12in barreled AR “firearm” with a Tailhook Mod 2, I’d say JOB WELL DONE! Speaking of the ridiculous NFA stuff, why not reclassify Short Barreled Long Guns as class 1 and silencers as mail-order and then you can actually focus on those nasty machine guns. COurse, with a paperwork that light, we’re going to have ot get those agents something to do, so we should repeal the Hughes Amendment to increase the number of transferable machine guns so that those agents can earn their keep.

    1. avatar John says:

      How about just abolishing the NFA all together. Anyone who shoots regularly knows it’s a sham. A gangster is not going to be able to control his fully automatic weapon and will soon find out he can afford to keep it full of ammo. The people that want these types of weapons ar collectors of some kind. They aren’t going to risk their collection to committ a crime. The gun control lobby has been on the wrong end of this the whole time. It’s not about stopping death to them, it’s about taking guns. There were a handful of mafia related deaths before thr NFA was past. Now there are multitudes more automatic weapons in circulation, but no death. If they get their way banning the least criminally used gun, the AR-15, we will have just as high of a murder rate and school shootings will increase as children will load up with guns they can hide to do their sick carnage. How about security people? What is the death rate by gun in a place that has armed security?

  25. When is Dianne Frankenstien going to retire?

  26. avatar Bierce Ambrose says:

    Wait, policy based in the notion that lawful people doing legal, harmless things ought not be impeded?

    Yeah, it’s the end of the world.

  27. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

    @Jay Williams and ironicatbest, why can’t we reply to comments?
    Same reason we have to type our name and e-mail address just to comment.
    Purple. Because ice cream doesn’t have bones.

    Scrolling down now to type in my name and email address. Again. Still.

  28. avatar Mike says:

    I’m absolutely cringing at the thought of some incident involving a silencer for the first time ever. I know that legal can owners are more level-headed than most gun owners, but for some reason i’m getting that “its only a matter of time” vibe.

  29. avatar Scoutino says:

    Same here. And while we are at the functionality of the site, where are the arrows to next/previous post? When I comment or reply, I have to hit “back” several times for each comment to get back to main page.
    What’s with the pop-up ads on lower right side? They have the “close” button so close the edge of my phone, I can’t reach them over my Ballistic case.

  30. avatar jwtaylor says:

    How many of those 630,000 are non-transferable dealer samples and how many of them are in the hands of law enforcement?
    I’m betting the vast majority.
    BTW, my Form 4s are at 11 months now.

  31. avatar Anymouse says:

    Less than 1/4 are transferable to civilians. 145k ish. The rest would be law enforcement and dealers.

  32. avatar Greg says:

    11 months??? I just submitted for an Omega 300 last week… I have 2 more that are @ 6 month incubation stage.

  33. avatar 2nd Amendment Warrior says:

    The intent of the 2a was for citizens to be armed equal to a military soldier. We need the folliwing asap.

    1. Select fire, sbrs, supressors are 50 state legal without any bs paperwork
    2. Nationwide Constitutional Carry, short of that Ill settle for National reciprocity until Trumps 2nd term.

  34. avatar LazyReader says:

    Rat a tatt tatt

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