BREAKING: Vermont Legislature Passes Gun Control. Republican Governor said he will sign.

Bill S.55 passed the Senate today with a 17 yeas to 13 nays.

The bill raises the age to 21 to buy long guns in the Green Mountain State. Also a Magazine ban is in place along with Universal Background Checks for all Firearm Sales within the State. Bump Stocks are also banned for possession within the State.

Magazines for Rifles are limited to 10rds and Pistols are limited to 15rds. Lever Action and Bolt Action are exempt from the magazine ban. Pump Action Rifles/Shotguns are not. (How does this apply to guns like the KSG since they can hold the Mini-Shells or the KSG 25 which can hold 25 shells?) Dealers in Vermont have until October 1st to sell their current inventory of magazines.

Magazines cannot be transferred or sold. Meaning they cannot be inherited by family.

Republican Gov. Phil Scott said in a statement after Friday’s vote that he supports the new bill, along with two other gun-control measures that are advancing in the legislature, because he believes they uphold constitutional rights “while taking reasonable steps to reduce the risk of violence.” A spokeswoman confirmed he plans to sign all three bills pending a technical review.

Additionally, Gov. Scott stated:

As Governor, I have a moral and legal obligation and responsibility to provide for the safety of our citizens. If we are at a point when our kids are afraid to go to school and parents are afraid to put their kids on a bus, who are we?


  1. avatar New Continental Army says:

    Holy shit. Where the Fck did that come from? Isn’t Vermont one of the most pro gun states in the country? We’re in some deep shit here.

  2. avatar MrBob says:

    Son of a bitch.

    1. avatar Anonymous says:

      “As Governor, I have a moral and legal obligation and responsibility to provide for the safety of our citizens. If we are at a point when our kids are afraid to go to school and parents are afraid to put their kids on a bus, who are we?”

      Yeah. Government keeping you safe by… taking your freedoms. And Vermont, practically the lowest crime in all the US, needs this why?

      I got it. Because they hate freedom? Democratic socialism! people. Socialism of safety. You are responsible for someone else’s actions. Socialism of responsibility.

      1. avatar Flinch says:

        Without a registration system and the full acknowledgement that dealers can sell off their inventory, this will sound good to antis, but have no real teeth except for the age thing. Just let it play out and when the dust settles, work back to where we are.

        Any attempt to fight it will sound silly and anti-kid. And speaking of kids, I’ve heard that 30 round pmags in baby blue or pretty pink are the new best infant gifts. Just keep the dust covers in place so the little ones don’t pinch their tiny fingers between ramp and feed lips.

        1. avatar Brian says:

          UBC = universal gun registration. if you own a gun without its “papers” your a felon. And the next time a cop drives by the spot in the woods you’re shooting in and hears what sounds to him to be more than a ten-round string and he finds you with a biggie mag, you’re screwed. once enacted this stuff never gets repealed.

        2. avatar Cloudbuster says:

          Magazines cannot be transferred or sold. Meaning they cannot be inherited by family.

          How would the state possibly prove such a thing. Magazines are neither registered nor serialized.

        3. avatar LarryinTX says:

          Cop follows me into the woods to investigate my guns better have backup. That crap will stop quick.

      2. avatar Garrison Hall says:

        Politicians are terrified of jumping the wrong way during a moral panic. They tend to see their political life as being determined by knowing what the tame-shift/risky-shift dichotomy is and then making their political choices based on what appears to be the most politically safe decision. The emotionalism of the the moral panic confuses this choice dynamic, making it hard to decide which is the tame and which is the risky shift. Single issue activists, taking advantage of this kind of anomic confusion, take the role of moral-entrepreneurs and work to make their normally unacceptable demands seem appropriate and thus less threatening to the politicians’ reputation. And too many dumb-ass politicians fall for the scam every time.

        American politicians are ridiculously vulnerable to this stuff and stampede themselves into supporting all manner of stupid ideas—which, at the time, seem to be the safest way for them to go. This explains why at the turn of the last century, America’s elected officialdom collectively decided it would be really cool to pass a constitutional amendment making whisky drinking illegal in the USA.

        The problem with laws like the good governor just signed is that, once institutionalized as law, they are the very devil to get changed. I’m glad I don’t live in Vermont. Never much liked the east coast anyway. But, that said, we should never think for a minute that our august Texas politicians wouldn’t do the exact same thing if they thought it might somehow save their political necks.

      3. avatar Tom P says:

        Socialists are just Communists who haven’t gained control of the police and military yet…

      4. avatar Kenneth G Maiden says:

        The serfs (legal, law-abiding, American citizens) will be controlled! The Tide Pod Hitler Youth types have spoken. We the gray suited overseers must obey our new masters. Freedom and Liberty is just to dangerous in the hands of serfs. Now back to work you, you unwashed sheeple. We need YOUR money.


      5. avatar Bevus says:

        TAKE back your State and your rights! Vote them OUT in 2018, and Trump in 2020. RECALL everyone you can.

      6. avatar Scoutino says:

        “If we are at a point when our kids are afraid to go to school and parents are afraid to put their kids on a bus, who are we?”
        Brainwashed by media disarmist campaign?
        Realy dumb?
        Unable to understand simple statistics?
        I know – all of above!

    2. avatar Chris T in KY says:

      I know many people on TTAG are in total support of the Vermont Bump Stock ban. I hope you celebrate this week end.
      You can enjoy the marijuana intoxication, its legal in Vermont.

      I wonder how many wealthy Vermonters will still have machine guns just like the rich people in Florida, who also support a Bump Stock ban.

      Meanwhile the white Christian Republican Matt Bevin who has sex in the missionary position with the lights turned out, he still opposes any gun control in the state of Kentucky even after a school shooting back in January that people have already forgotten about.

    3. Governor you are a chicken-livered career politician that will do anything to such the butts of those that can reelect you.

      You took an Oath-of-Office to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. After the U.S. Constitution you have the same responsibility to your state’s constitution.

      The U.S. Constitution contains the Bill of Rights comprised of the first ten amendments to the Constitution. Those ten amendments are as much part of the Constitution as the original text. As such, they cannot be changed by some willy-nilly act of a governor run amok of the Constitution because of his desire to be reelected.

      There is the Preamble to the Bill of Rights which makes those ten amendments inviolable because of the reason they became part of the Constitution. The Bill of Rights does not give “rights” to anyone. The Bill of Rights is there to control the powers of those voluntarily chosen to act on behalf of the citizens that elected them to serve in their stead, managing our country for the benefit of the people and of the country as a whole.

      Here is the Preamble to the Bill of Rights. Read it, learn it and demand that its purpose be fulfilled, always, no matter what. We each have the duty to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution from all enemies, both foreign and domestic.

      Congress of the United States
      begun and held at the City of New-York, on
      Wednesday the fourth of March,
      one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine
      THE Conventions of a number of the
      States, having at
      the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed
      a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse
      of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive
      clauses should be added: And as extending the ground
      of public confi dence in the Government, will best
      ensure the benefi cent ends of its institution.
      RESOLVED by the Senate and House of
      Representatives of the United States of America,
      in Congress assembled, two thirds of both Houses
      concurring, that the following Articles be proposed to
      the Legislatures of the several States, as amendments
      to the Constitution of the United States, all, or any of
      which Articles, when ratifi ed by three fourths of the said
      Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes, as
      part of the said Constitution; viz.
      ARTICLES in addition to, and Amendment of the
      Constitution of the United States of America, proposed
      by Congress, and ratifi ed by the Legislatures of the
      several States, pursuant to the fi fth Article of the
      original Constitution.
      (Note: The fi rst 10 amendments to the Constitution were
      ratifi ed December 15, 1791, and form what is known as
      the “Bill of Rights.”)

      Defending the Constitution from our own government run amok of the Constitution is the reason for the Second Amendment. The words “shall not be infringed” order those in government to leave the Second Amendment as it was written because it, along with the other nine amendments comprising the Bill of Rights, all are absolute restraints on those public servants acting as government; until the next election cycle comes around.

      The militia required by the Second Amendment is not the National Guard! The State Militia is to be made up of all males between the ages of 17 and 44 who are not members of the National Guard or other reserve forces who are now combined with our national military, a standing army, which is not supposed to exist in times of peace.

      The Senior Officer in each state’s citizen militia is to be chosen by the Governor thereof. All other officers are chosen from among the rank and file of other militia members by those members. Every state is responsible for forming its militia and for all funding to insure that they are, and remain a viable force which can stand up to, and repel any attacks from the standing army. Remember, each state is a sovereign within its own borders. Then, each state is part of the larger assemblage of states, the United States, which has three Branches: Administrative (President and his Administration), Legislative (Congress) and Judicial (the Supreme Court and our system of courts). Each state has the same structure, some calling the parts by different names.

      Elections are included in the Constitution to provide citizens with opportunities to either reelect an always honest, patriotic, person who keeps his promises to constituents and honors his Oath-of-Office, or, to remove incumbents from office because they do not always exhibit those qualities.

      Considering the reason for elections being held each two years, and all citizens paying attention to what those elected do, and don’t do, we should see a major change in membership of the House of Representatives (Members shall be chosen each second year (Article I., Section 2.)) (I read that as meaning every member of the House shall be removed and replaced each second year.)

      The same applies to the Senate where we should also see nearly one-third of Senators be sent home because of their not having the virtues I have described above. Most are self-serving demigods who take advantage of every opportunity for personal gain to which they have become accustomed, over time, because there are no penalties for their doing so. Senators are chosen to serve six years (Article I., Section 3.) unless their performance while in office is impeccable in which case we can elect them to serve another term. Senators are divided into classes. New freshman Senators are elected each second year and represent one-third of the total number of Senators, currently 100. Members of each class move up to the next higher class each second year.

      I think it is high time that penalties are instituted. Actually, we have the power to remove each and every public servant that does not perform according to the laws of the Constitution: refusing to reelect anyone that fails to measure up in every way.

      Leave no-one remain in office that is not absolutely honest, patriotic, and dedicated to only serving those electing him to office, not a political party, not a special interest agenda of any sort, only the Constitution, his promises to constituents while campaigning, and his Oath-of-Office.

      Vote only for each candidate, never for a party. No party is provided for by the Constitution not does it restrict the states from having them, or the people from supporting them on the state level, not the national level. Any organization having the power to raise huge financial resources for the purposes of buying a government that suits there agenda must not be allowed. One person can be a party. That is what is meant when the Constitution speaks of a party or parties. An individual, or, a group of individuals aligned with a specific subject. The make up of groups of parties will have different memberships aligned for addressing differing subjects when they arrive. Not a corporation that controls members resources in order to make them support the corporate agenda.

      DO NOT SUPPORT CORPORATE PARTIES, SUPPORT INDIVIDUALS having demonstrated that they always are honest, loyal, patriotic and honoring their Oath-of-Office.

      Be an American Citizen or Naturalized Citizen always and manage those to whom you consent to have act as your voice while managing the affairs of our government as you instruct them to do.

      1. avatar cisco kid says:

        Everything I have said is now coming to pass. The Feds are basically off the hook as they are just letting State after State wipe their asses with the Constitution and the corrupt Supreme Court to stay popular with Public Opinion is blessing every anti-gun law passed in the last 12 months.

        All this is nothing new in your history its just that it keeps getting more restrictive by the day now instead of by the year.

    4. avatar I said stop staring a me! says:

      +10 :[email protected]

    5. avatar Peter says:

      Shouldn’t a Governor’s protection of his citizens Constitutional Rights come first…

    6. avatar bob says:

      has a moral and legal right huh! to undermine the constitution???as usual politicians have almost come up to the level of child-molesters,still scum though which one did they catch phil scott in bed with ?a dead hooker ,or a naked10 year old boy….

    7. Additionally, Gov. Scott stated:

      “As Governor, I have a moral and legal obligation and responsibility to provide for the safety of our citizens. If we are at a point when our kids are afraid to go to school and parents are afraid to put their kids on a bus, who are we?”

      My answer has to be: “An administration that totally misunderstands what your duties really are.”

      You, Governor Scott, are responsible, like the President, for enforcing existing laws, not making new laws. Especially laws that ignore the Bill of Rights completely. Your willingness to sign S-55 is a clear sign that you don’t know the limitations placed on your power by the Bill of Rights as explained in the Preamble there to.

      You and the members of the Vermont Legislature that are in favor of this unconstitutional legislation have stated your willingness to violate your Oaths-of-Office and makes liars of you all.

      U.S. and Vermont citizens must not tolerate liars and people that violate the trust of constituents in order to present a favorable image to the special group that supposedly fears for their lives because free and honest law abiding citizens, who would never use a gun irresponsibly, possess guns having the most complete technology that they can afford; just in case they are called to protect those who have chosen not to have guns, from our central government run amok of the Constitution, sending the standing army to violate the sovereignty of the state.

      What you must do, as President Trump must do, is enforce existing laws concerning crimes committed by persons in possession of a firearm at the time crime was committed. If new laws are passed to help eliminate violent crimes, some of them must be for making it impossible for people, having proven that they are a threat to society, from having access to firearms of any sort at any time.

      Doctor’s must submit medical information about those they find irresponsible to the U.S. Division of Alcohol and Firearms for entry in their database used for making decisions concerning who gets permission to possess a firearm. That organization must be held responsible each time a person is given permission to buy a firearm that has been determined to be a risk to society. Significant personal penalties for any person who fails to uphold the law for any reason must be made to stick. Properly applied the penalties will do more to rid the streets of people not suitable for possessing firearms than laws that are no more than on the books.

      Laws have to be enforced in order to do what they were designed to do. Seeing that they are always enforced is largest part of the chief executive’s job at both the state and the Federal levels. Anyone holding that position that does not enforce all laws, as well as tell the truth and uphold his Oath-of-Office at all times must not be reelected for any reason. It is the job of every voter to insure that no-one is reelected that lies and/or fails to uphold his Oath-of-Office. That means YOU and ME!

      Do your part when you vote well informed for new and responsible persons to act in your stead as they represent only their constituents while serving honestly and truthfully at all times. Never vote for all candidates from one party or another. If you do, you will get undesirables and possibly some good people. Today, we must be absolutely sure of the proven qualities of each person for whom we vote.

    8. avatar Bevus says:

      RECALL, we in Colorado did that 4 years ago, and the dems have been very careful ever since.

    9. avatar Randy says:

      Lets get out the vote this fall people… The other side has done a better job getting out the vote than we have, and it is time we band together. You may not use standard AR sized magazines, but trust me this is only the beginning and they will move against a gun of your choice sooner or later. Most gun deaths in america actually come from pistols, do you own a pistol? If you own a pistol, band together and get out the vote this fall, do not forget who voted for what… Please help us to save our way of life, together we are strong, but divided we will be relegated to a minority, a minority that is no longer wanted in Vermont. Think about that, PLEASE PLEASE vote Phil Scott and others out of office, at ALL COSTS….

      To Vote out of office:

      Phil Scott

      Sen. Philip Baruth
      Sen. Michael Sirotkin
      Additional Sponsors
      Sen. Alison Clarkson
      Sen. Debbie Ingram
      Sen. Virginia “Ginny” Lyons
      Sen. Dick McCormack
      Sen. Christopher A. Pearson
      Sen. Tim Ashe, D/P-Chittenden: Yes

      Sen. Claire Ayer, D-Addison: Yes

      Sen. Becca Balint, D-Windham: Yes

      Sen. Philip Baruth, D/P-Chittenden: Yes

      Sen. Christopher Bray, D-Addison: Yes

      Sen. Francis Brooks, D-Washington: Yes

      Sen. Brian Campion, D-Bennington: Yes

      Sen. Alison Clarkson, D-Windsor: Yes

      Sen. Ann Cummings, D-Washington: Yes

      Sen. Debbie Ingram, D-Chittenden: Yes

      Sen. Virginia “Ginny” Lyons, D-Chittenden: Yes

      Sen. Mark MacDonald, D-Orange: Yes

      Sen. Dick McCormack, D-Windsor: Yes

      Sen. Christopher Pearson, P/D-Chittenden: Yes

      Sen. Anthony Pollina, P/D-Washington: Yes

      Sen. Michael Sirotkin, D-Chittenden: Yes

      Sen. Jeanette White, D-Windham: Yes

      To vote for:
      Sen. Joe Benning, R-Caledonia: No

      Sen. Carolyn Whitney Branagan, R-Franklin: No

      Sen. David Soucy, R-Rutland: No

      Sen. Robert Starr, D-Essex-Orleans: No

      Sen. Richard Westman, R-Lamoille: No

      Sen. John Rodgers, D-Essex-Orleans: No

      Sen. Dick Sears, D-Bennington: No

      Sen. Alice Nitka, D-Windsor: No

      Sen. Dick Mazza, D-Grand Isle: No

      Sen. Jane Kitchel, D-Caledonia: No

      Sen. Peg Flory, R-Rutland: No

      Sen. Brian Collamore, R-Rutland: No

      Sen. Randy Brock, R-Franklin: No

      Other voting record on S.55

      Ainsworth of Royalton Absent
      Ancel of Calais Yea
      Bancroft of Westford Nay
      Bartholomew of Hartland Yea
      Baser of Bristol Yea
      Batchelor of Derby Nay*
      Beck of St. Johnsbury Nay
      Belaski of Windsor Yea
      Beyor of Highgate Absent
      Bissonnette of Winooski Yea
      Bock of Chester Yea
      Botzow of Pownal Yea
      Brennan of Colchester Nay
      Briglin of Thetford Yea
      Browning of Arlington Yea
      Brumsted of Shelburne Yea
      Buckholz of Hartford Absent
      Burditt of West Rutland Nay
      Burke of Brattleboro Yea
      Canfield of Fair Haven Nay
      Carr of Brandon Yea
      Chesnut-Tangerman of Middletown Springs Yea*
      Christensen of Weathersfield Yea
      Christie of Hartford Yea
      Cina of Burlington Yea
      Colburn of Burlington Yea
      Condon of Colchester Absent
      Conlon of Cornwall Yea
      Connor of Fairfield Yea
      Conquest of Newbury Nay
      Copeland-Hanzas of Bradford Absent
      Corcoran of Bennington Nay
      Cupoli of Rutland City Nay
      Dakin of Colchester Yea
      Deen of Westminster Yea
      Devereux of Mount Holly Yea
      Dickinson of St. Albans Town Nay
      Donahue of Northfield Nay
      Donovan of Burlington Yea
      Dunn of Essex Yea
      Emmons of Springfield Yea
      Fagan of Rutland City Yea
      Feltus of Lyndon Nay
      Fields of Bennington Yea
      Forguites of Springfield Yea
      Frenier of Chelsea Nay
      Gage of Rutland City Nay
      Gamache of Swanton Nay
      Gannon of Wilmington Yea*
      Gardner of Richmond Yea*
      Giambatista of Essex Yea
      Gonzalez of Winooski Yea
      Grad of Moretown Yea*
      Graham of Williamstown Nay
      Haas of Rochester Yea
      Harrison of Chittenden Nay*
      Head of South Burlington Yea
      Hebert of Vernon Nay
      Helm of Fair Haven Nay
      Higley of Lowell Nay
      Hill of Wolcott Yea
      Hooper of Montpelier Yea
      Hooper of Randolph Nay
      Houghton of Essex Yea*
      Howard of Rutland City Yea
      Jessup of Middlesex Yea
      Jickling of Randolph Nay
      Johnson of South Hero Not Voting
      Joseph of North Hero Yea
      Juskiewicz of Cambridge Nay
      Keefe of Manchester Yea
      Keenan of St. Albans City Yea
      Kimbell of Woodstock Yea
      Kitzmiller of Montpelier Yea
      Krowinski of Burlington Yea
      LaClair of Barre Town Nay
      LaLonde of South Burlington Yea
      Lanpher of Vergennes Yea
      Lawrence of Lyndon Nay
      Lefebvre of Newark Absent
      Lewis of Berlin Nay
      Lippert of Hinesburg Yea
      Long of Newfane Yea
      Lucke of Hartford Yea*
      Macaig of Williston Yea
      Marcotte of Coventry Nay
      Martel of Waterford Nay
      Masland of Thetford Yea
      Mattos of Milton Nay
      McCormack of Burlington Yea
      McCoy of Poultney Nay
      McCullough of Williston Yea
      McFaun of Barre Town Nay
      Miller of Shaftsbury Yea*
      Morris of Bennington Yea*
      Morrissey of Bennington Nay
      Mrowicki of Putney Yea
      Murphy of Fairfax Nay
      Myers of Essex Nay
      Nolan of Morristown Nay
      Norris of Shoreham Nay*
      Noyes of Wolcott Nay
      O’Sullivan of Burlington Yea
      Ode of Burlington Yea
      Pajala of Londonderry Yea
      Parent of St. Albans Town Nay
      Partridge of Windham Yea
      Pearce of Richford Nay
      Poirier of Barre City Nay*
      Potter of Clarendon Nay
      Pugh of South Burlington Yea*
      Quimby of Concord Nay
      Rachelson of Burlington Yea
      Read of Fayston Yea
      Rosenquist of Georgia Nay
      Savage of Swanton Nay*
      Scheu of Middlebury Yea*
      Scheuermann of Stowe Yea
      Sharpe of Bristol Yea
      Shaw of Pittsford Nay
      Sheldon of Middlebury Yea
      Sibilia of Dover Yea*
      Smith of Derby Nay
      Smith of New Haven Nay
      Squirrell of Underhill Yea
      Stevens of Waterbury Yea
      Strong of Albany Nay
      Stuart of Brattleboro Yea*
      Sullivan of Burlington Yea
      Sullivan of Dorset Yea
      Taylor of Colchester Yea
      Terenzini of Rutland Town Nay
      Till of Jericho Yea*
      Toleno of Brattleboro Yea
      Toll of Danville Yea
      Townsend of South Burlington Yea
      Trieber of Rockingham Yea
      Troiano of Stannard Yea*
      Turner of Milton Nay
      Van Wyck of Ferrisburgh Nay
      Viens of Newport City Nay
      Walz of Barre City Yea
      Webb of Shelburne Yea
      Weed of Enosburgh Yea
      Willhoit of St. Johnsbury Nay
      Wood of Waterbury Yea*
      Wright of Burlington Yea
      Yacovone of Morristown Yea
      Yantachka of Charlotte Yea
      Young of Glover Nay

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      Ashe of Chittenden District Yea
      Ayer of Addison District Yea
      Balint of Windham District Yea
      Baruth of Chittenden District Yea
      Benning of Caledonia District Nay
      Branagan of Franklin District Nay
      Bray of Addison District Yea
      Brock of Franklin District Nay
      Brooks of Washington District Yea
      Campion of Bennington District Yea
      Clarkson of Windsor District Yea
      Collamore of Rutland District Nay
      Cummings of Washington District Yea
      Flory of Rutland District Nay
      Ingram of Chittenden District Yea
      Kitchel of Caledonia District Nay
      Lyons of Chittenden District Yea
      MacDonald of Orange District Yea
      Mazza of Grand Isle District Nay
      McCormack of Windsor District Yea
      Nitka of Windsor District Nay
      Pearson of Chittenden District Yea
      Pollina of Washington District Yea
      Rodgers of Essex-Orleans District Nay
      Sears of Bennington District Nay*
      Sirotkin of Chittenden District Yea
      Soucy of Rutland District Nay
      Starr of Essex-Orleans District Nay
      Westman of Lamoille District Nay
      White of Windham District Yea

  3. avatar Jamie says:

    Yeah, because 10rd & 15rd limits will certainly help stop crime and mass shootings.

    1. avatar Brian says:

      and I bet the cops are exempt.

    2. avatar cisco kid says:

      Their just putting the dooms day machine in 1st gear, more gun laws to come tomorrow or the next day.

  4. avatar Cruzo1981 says:

    Good luck collecting bump stocks and magazines…

    1. avatar cisco kid says:

      How much you want to bet they get 99 per cent of the bump stocks. No one wants to get caught with a now declared machine gun. Tomorrow they will declare muzzle loaders machine guns too. You may laugh at this now but it probably will happen and much sooner than you think.

      1. avatar Shallnot BeInfringed says:

        Yes, you’re absolutely right about one thing… we laugh at everything you type here, because it’s all simply ludicrous! Ha ha, haha, ha ha ha ha hahahahahahaaaaa!

        1. avatar cisco kid says:

          You can lead an ignorant hill billy to knowledge but you cannot make him think

  5. avatar P-Dog says:

    Give me a break. The home of constitutional carry just become constitutionally cucked.

    1. avatar LarryinTX says:

      Agreed. Absolutely astonishing.

  6. avatar fire starter says:

    Fuck the Republicrats. They will not get my vote this time around.

  7. avatar Kurt says:

    I don’t see anything in the senate bill that references magazine limits or bump stocks. What am I missing?

    1. avatar Luis Valdes says:

      (e)(1) As used in this section, “large capacity ammunition feeding device”
      means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device that has a capacity
      of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept:
      (A) more than 10 rounds of ammunition for a long gun; or
      (B) more than 15 rounds of ammunition for a hand gun.
      (2) The term “large capacity ammunition feeding device” shall not
      (A) an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of
      operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition;
      (B) a large capacity ammunition feeding device that is manufactured
      or sold solely for use by a lever action or bolt action long gun or by an antique
      firearm as defined in subdivisions 4017(d)(2)(A) and (B) of this title; or
      (C) a large capacity ammunition feeding device that is manufactured
      or sold solely for use with a firearm that is determined to be a curio or relic by
      the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. As used in this
      subdivision, “curio or relic” means a firearm that is of special interest to
      collectors by reason of some quality other than its association with firearms
      intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons.

      Sec. 9. 13 V.S.A. § 4022 is added to read:
      (a) As used in this section, “bump-fire stock” means a butt stock designed
      to be attached to a semiautomatic firearm and intended to increase the rate of
      fire achievable with the firearm to that of a fully automatic firearm by using
      the energy from the recoil of the firearm to generate a reciprocating action that
      facilitates the repeated activation of the trigger.
      (b) A person shall not possess a bump-fire stock. A person who violates
      this subsection shall be imprisoned not more than one year or fined not more
      than $1,000.00, or both.
      (c) The Department of Public Safety shall develop, promote, and execute
      a collection process that permits persons to voluntarily and anonymously
      relinquish bump-fire stocks prior to the effective date of this section.

      1. avatar Kurt says:

        Ah, it was a House amendment that was “concurred in”. Gross.

      2. avatar Pete says:

        “Collection process that PERMITS collection and ANONYMOUSLY relinquish bump stocks”…

        …I imagine most bump stock owners care little about their anonymity

        At least the Government should be PURCHASING bump stocks at twice their listed value…

  8. avatar Mike in K'zoo says:

    Well down the road we go…Trust no politician/no political party ever. If this starts in the Midwest I feel we’ve got only one way left for our country.

    1. avatar cisco kid says:

      Yep one way left, get used to Putin running the show for Trump here and of course a one party country which if conservative would be loved by all conservatives especially when they declare the 1st amendment null and void as its the most hated amendment by the Conservatives.

      1. avatar Shallnot BeInfringed says:

        Ha ha ha, hahahahahahaaa! LMAO at you again!

        Just shut the hell up, troll…

        1. avatar cisco kid says:

          You just proved my post true moron

  9. avatar Moltar says:

    Why does this not surprise me??
    Why do I no longer flinch as the GOP thrusts another blade into my lungs?
    Why am I now convinced that our freedoms, our culture, and our very way of life will die?
    Why do I know that when they die their deaths will be heralded with thunderous applause from the uneducated masses?

    Oh yeah because the Republicans got so used to being the abused red headed step child that they developed Stockholm Syndrome and turned into Democrats. Folks our freedoms WILL be killed systematically and they will not go out with a great roar surrounded by fire and fury but rather a whimper surrounded by thunderous applause and smiling politicians. Decades we said it couldn’t happen here it wouldn’t happen here well it is we are slowly slipping towards Communism thanks to our very own school system and the politicians who were too damn spineless to stop it.

    1. avatar John in Ohio says:

      IMHO, the politicians never really cared to stop it. They only care about the power and influence, not what they do with that power and influence.

      1. avatar Moltar says:

        simply put they chose the easy wrong over the hard right and showed they have no personal courage or convictions beyond consolidating their power and getting reelected. Therefore one can call them spineless, cowards, or anything else that feels or sounds apropos.

        1. avatar Occam's Laser says:

          Feckless Crap Weasels.

        2. avatar John in Ohio says:

          Sociopaths. Don’t think for one second that they wouldn’t vote to round us up and shoot us in ditches if it served their purposes.

        3. avatar Moltar says:

          John you misspelled mass graves. They’d even toss the Lye in for free. Alternately, they may just herd us into a big cage and start spraying in napalm till the screaming stopped if it meant keeping their power and winning reelection.

        4. avatar John in Ohio says:

          True… The spineless cowardly sociopathic feckless crap weasels.

        5. avatar CZJay says:

          You know what’s worse than that? The people of the U.S. love those politicians like a religious person loves their god. The citizens keep voting them in and people who should be in office don’t run.

          Why, oh, why would Vermont do what they did? Because the people want it and they are rewarded with praise, money, fame and power. Hell, Che Guevara is still around via t-shirts and posters kids buy. If Che can have the hearts of the youth, so can they.

    2. avatar I said stop staring a me! says:

  10. avatar Rabbi says:

    VT down, NH sure to follow soon.

    The two greatest threats to guns are politicians and rust–in that order.

    1. avatar Moltar says:

      The two greatest threats to guns are Republicans and Democrats.


      Rust really isn’t much of a problem provided you control moisture and take proper steps to remove it should your gun get wet. That means using high quality oil and hanging on to those silica packs they put in everything these days those things work great in a gun safe or even just stuck somewhere near wherever your gun may live when it isn’t in your hands or holster.

      1. avatar Mark says:

        Hell with today’s modern gun finishes and coatings you don’t even need silica. They are amazingly corrosion resistant unless you store them in salt water.

        1. avatar Moltar says:

          at this point, I know that but still I toss silica packets in my storage device because well it’s become a tradition. Much like ordering hashbrown casserole at Cracker Barrel or drinking a cup of coffee every morning. I just kinda do it and don’t even really think about it…

    2. avatar I said stop staring a me! says:

      ………… Don’t forget Oregon and Washington state I fear are on the magazine capacity ban wagon next. maybe ammo BG checks …………………Going to go to Cabela’s to buy a few more 30rd P mags and order another 13rd mag for my XD .45.

  11. avatar Helms Deep says:

    Thanks NRA and Trump for aiding the enemy and running your mouths asshols.

    S – 17 …. Pennsylvania is same thing ….. Look out April 9th.

    1. avatar Mad Max says:

      Republican super-majority in the PA state legislature will prevent any new laws from passing.

      Most of the Republicans are from gun country. They’ll get chased out of their districts by angry constituents if they try anything.

      In addition, PA has a crazy way of passing laws and the committees that need to pass any gun control bill out of committee to release them for a floor vote are controlled and chaired by very strong 2A supporters.

      1. avatar Luis Valdes says:

        They said the same thing in FL

        1. avatar Moltar says:

          We all said the same thing when Republicans took both houses and the presidency… anyway doom gloom fear carnage the important bit is YOUR RIGHTS ARE NEVER SECURE! It doesn’t matter who is in power or what the documents governing their behavior say YOUR RIGHTS ARE NEVER SECURE, sure we could tear down this government and institute a new one (yes the population of the US could easily do so if so inclined) but there is nothing to prevent that new government from doing the exact same thing this one has done.

        2. avatar Mad Max says:

          I just checked the PA House Judiciary Committee’s bills that are in various stages and the only gun bills pending are those regarding the sale, surrender, distruction, or temporary transfer of firearms from those under final protection from abuse orders and another bill regarding firearms possession by those under 21 (banned without parental or responsible adult supervision – firearms safety instructor, etc.).

          This particular bill is a little troubling as it bans the use, possession, or purchase of “assault weapons” or “high capacity” magazines by those under 21, even with adult supervision. The definitions are the typical ones bandied about except that pistol “high capacity” magazines are those over 15 rounds.

          Otherwise, nothing pending.


  12. avatar Woody From NY says:

    I live in NY. VT allowed too many massholes and ny people to come into their state and exert influence. Un fucking acceptable. This is an absolute tragedy. Anyone curious about the sentiment of the people of VT go onto VT public radios website and read the article that covers this, after you are done read the comments. It’s basically a large group of Libertarians who can’t understand why this is being done to them. They explain the crime statistics in the state, basically non existent, and wonder why this happened in the first place.

    1. avatar Moltar says:

      because a bunch of teens and moms demanded action after some wingnut in Florida shot up a school… That’s why Vermont Libertarians are taking it up the tater chute.

      1. avatar Francis says:

        This is more about a bunch of politicians and judges who won’t uphold our constitution. These anti 2A politicians and judges keep ramming the people up the tater chute. Yes there’s an unarmed mob, but worse are the gutless and power hungry tyrants. The buck could stop with the politicians and judges whom are trusted to uphold their end of the constitutional protection of rights. When they will not, and continue to ram it up the tater chute of the people… there’s tightly grouped ballots.

      2. avatar pwrserge says:

        Well, that’s what happens when you keep electing Sanders.

        1. avatar Chris Mallory says:

          What the hell does a vote by the state legislature have to do with a Federal Government senator?

        2. avatar Moltar says:

          They continue to elect an open socialist candidate to represent them federally therefore on the state level they get socialist policies such as this ban. I believe is the point serge made.

        3. avatar Chris T in KY says:

          Chris Mallory
          The same Libertarians who voted for Bernie Sanders all these years also voted for state government representatives who supported gay marriage and legal marijuana intoxication. Personal self-defense with firearms was NEVER a priority in Vermont. Bernie Sanders publicly stated he voted for guns because, “the old people in rural Vermont wanted guns”.

          Bernie Sanders has never used the Bill Of Rights to justify supporting the Second Amendment.

  13. avatar Daniel says:

    We know what’s going to happen next, vermonters will kick out the governor by next election for it tarl Warwick aka styxxhexxenhammer666 on YouTube said hes going to be over the coals over this

    1. avatar Hannibal says:

      Even if you’re right, then what?

      Elect another GOP governor who promises to do right until the media starts a frenzy and then capitulates… again.

      Keep trying the same thing over and over again expecting a different result?

      1. avatar Raoul Duke says:

        Which means revolution is the only answer.

  14. avatar Aaron M. Walker says:

    … creeping incrementalism strikes again! DemoCommies and RepubliCONS strike again! And our Bill of Rights are still burning…

  15. avatar harry323 says:

    Of course the GOVERNMENT gets to keep their 30 round AR magazines – for safety.

  16. avatar Aaron M. Walker says:

    …..One can only hope that NH stays free!

    1. avatar Shire-man says:

      NH has the beneficial buffer of a state house with 1,000 reps but unless we get that wall built to keep the mass fuckers out (masshole is too cute a word and fails to accurately convey my hatred for that cancerous blight of a state) NH will eventually fall as they flee their failed states for this one.

      Dissolve the union ASAP.

      1. avatar John in Ohio says:

        “Dissolve the union ASAP.”

        I agree, 110%.

      2. avatar Serpent_Vision says:

        The immigrants we get from MA tend not to be the problem; they’re the ones with the good sense to leave the “Commiewealth”.

        “While conventional wisdom might suggest it’s liberal voters who are most likely to move north from Massachusetts, Smith and Scala say Bay State migrants have turned southern New Hampshire border towns into one of the biggest Republican strongholds in the state.

        The border towns of Pelham, Salem and neighboring Derry and Londonderry are solidly Republican turf, partially influenced by conservative Massachusetts residents moving to a state with lower home prices and fewer taxes.”

  17. avatar DaPhreak says:

    Did the April Fools joke accidentally go up early?

  18. avatar Michael in AK says:

    Is it time to refresh the tree of liberty yet?

    1. avatar John in Ohio says:

      That poor bastard of a tree is critically dry. It needs much watering.

    2. avatar Tiger says:

      Unlike Mrs. Clinton`s emails, web post to a blog last a while. While your passion is nice, easy up on sounding like well, nuts…..

    3. avatar Raoul Duke says:


      Next question…

  19. avatar John in Ohio says:

    All of those saying that this will blow over, nothing will come of it…

    This time seems different. What has been enacted even just recently is way too much. The NRA, Trump, republicans, and others caved on things right out of the gate. It smells like a fixed bout.

    1. avatar Jim Bremer says:

      Agree….Republicans hold the entire Federal Govt and an overwhelming majority of state govt…..and the last month we’ve seen more gun control pass than in the LAST TEN YEARS. And most came from Republicans.

      This is beyond serious folks….this is Defcon 1 high alert sh!t

      1. avatar CZJay says:

        Is Alexander Jones up in arms like he was when Obama was el Presidente?

    2. avatar Jared Hamon says:

      After Columbine Colorado and Oregon passed gun laws, than the 2000 election happened.
      Also Vermont Constitution:
      STATE CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISION – Chapter 1, Article 16.

      “That the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and the State as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military should be kept under strict subordination to and governed by the civil power.”

      1. avatar Raoul Duke says:

        Yet the government is ignoring it…..

        How is that piece of paper stopping tyrants when they openly defy it?

  20. avatar pwrserge says:

    This is the same state that keeps electing and outright communist to the Senate… this is my shocked face.

    1. avatar AZD says:

      Exactly. There’s nothing in the least shocking about this.

      Republicans need to get wiped out in the next election cycle. They are literally worse than Democrats. Time for the GOP to join the Whigs and Know Nothing parties in the dust bin of history. A nitwit like Trump manhandling their “best” in the last election demonstrated how impotent the GOP is.

      1. avatar pwrserge says:

        Yeah… let’s hand Congress to the communists… what could possibly go wrong? That’s what primaries are for.

        1. avatar AZD says:

          May as well go all in with the commies. What is the alternative, keep electing backstabbing liars who basically give the commies what they want anyway? At least with he communists you know where you stand, and we can just get straight to the endgame.

        2. avatar pwrserge says:

          Again, that’s what primaries are for. If you’re in a hurry to start a civil war, you’re insane. We’ll win, but the cost will make it a pyrrhic victory at best.

      2. avatar rosignol says:

        I recall people saying something very similar when Bush was President.

        8 years of Obama convinced me otherwise. Won’t even get into the utter madness that was Speaker Pelosi.

        There always seems to be some way for things to get worse.

        1. avatar Mark says:

          How do we reverse the cultural momentum, though? Call me ignorant, but I wouldn’t have imagined this at all, let alone all at once.

        2. avatar pwrserge says:

          We HAVE reversed it, we just need to keep pushing. As I said elsewhere and will say again. This is a war of inches. We will have setbacks, but in the long term, it’s hard to argue that we haven’t been on a streak for the past 20 years.

        3. avatar John in Ohio says:

          “How do we reverse the cultural momentum, though?”

          It cannot be reversed incrementally. Normalization and the natural tendency of governments to increase in power all but guarantee it. The real exercise of unalienable individual rights is rarely restored incrementally. History clearly shows this. It will require mass civil disobedience. If that doesn’t right the ship, there will need to be many dirty hands.

          Reject commies that come here and try to turn this nation into the same shithole they left. Avoid the temptation of the lazy and cowardly appeasers that try to sooth people with words of comfort, compromise, and “conversations.” Resist the judenrat that will sell you out and lead your family to the cattle cars so they have temporary accolades and comfort. It isn’t going to get better without hard work and great risk. Anyone telling you differently is selling you a bill of deadly goods.

      3. avatar Cloud says:

        THis is just retarded. This is why we lose. Because people like you give up. A GOPe doof in Vermont signing gun control means we should vote out the GOP in the House and senate. That’s some logic there for you.

    2. avatar anonymoose says: You should thank the DNC for handing the nomination to Shillary. If Bernie was the Democratic Candidate he would have mopped the floor with Trump, Cruz, or anyone else the RNC could come up with. Legitimate polls (the ones that had Trump crushing Hillary) all confirmed this. Plus his voting record on gun control laws was mixed (mostly “no”s).

  21. avatar Specialist38 says:

    The mighty have fallen.

    Who do think they are? Florida?

    And what is it with Governors named Scott? Are they all dumbasses?

    1. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

      Besides the commonality of their last name,the other thing they have in common is the are both RINO’s who come November are going to be in search of voters.
      Benedict Scott is going to be a one and done former governor as is the largest part of the legislature.

  22. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

    Yes however Mitzi WETFTI Johnson ruled that information out of order,it was rammed down the throats of We The People of Vermont.
    The ouster of most of the legislature including Mr. Governor occurs the first Tuesday in November,his replacement is already on deck.

    Ethan and Ira Allen and the Boys will be rolling in their graves at the Treason committed in the state house today.

    1. avatar stateisevil says:

      Next up for the people of Vermont: New York style Safe Act. NO grandfathering. Take it to the bank.

      1. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

        That is exactly where this came from mr. B – Loon – Burg and his paid Minions,Ann Braden and out of stater,N.H. CaliLasser – Summers of Demanding Commie Mommy’s aka B – Loon – Berg’s paid minions.

  23. avatar John Thayer says:

    “If we are at a point when our kids are afraid to go to school and parents are afraid to put their kids on a bus, who are we?”

    You are the people who trashed our civilization, that’s who you are! I really don’t care if your kids are gunned down. Actions, values and behavior have consequences. Yours destroyed the peaceful, dignified and respectful culture we had when our “Greatest Generation” came home after World War II. You and your kids are living in the world you created.

  24. avatar Mike Hawkizard says:

    I’m shocked, shocked that the state that has Bernie F’ing Sanders as their Senator enacted gun control! Shocked I say!

    Shocked it didn’t happen sooner. Anyone who seriously thought this wouldn’t happen is an idiot.

  25. avatar Setnakhte says:

    How is this possible? Is there a citizen-disarmist donor like what happened in FL?

  26. avatar Dick-in-Illinois says:

    Ten shooters with fifty 10rd mags? 30rd mags overheat barrels causing gun seize-up (as in Vegas)!

  27. avatar johnny go lightly says:

    From over on TTAK…. The late Andrew Breitbart once said “Politics is downstream of culture”.

    I had forgotten about this quote from AB. Vermont is screwed.

  28. avatar former water walker says:

    To those who say “I live in Vermont(or Floriduh or Tennessee or a “gun-friendly” wherever-it can’t happen HERE. Join the club. This BS is happening all over. Not just Illinois,NJ,NY or California. Republitards just want to seen “doing something”…cancer on the Republic.

  29. avatar TheSophist says:

    This is the same state that used to have (and still has, for now) Constitutional Carry, yes?

    Once called “Vermont Carry”?

    So much for that, I guess.

  30. avatar Squiggy81 says:

    I hope all this BS stops soon. I’d like to feel like I can buy the guns I want and not just pressure to buy what I might not be able to next year.

    1. avatar Ross says:

      This BS is not stopping any time soon, join a gun rights group like GOA and get political active, fight for your rights.

    2. avatar Raoul Duke says:


      This is reality.

      The Communists are on the march and the GOP are their useless idiot controlled opposition. You and I fell for it.

      The only solution is revolution since voting will only guarantee another spineless coward to do the same thing over again.

  31. avatar Mark says:

    One small silver lining is that it allows for grandfathering in of magazines (for now at least). Therefore, one can drive to another state and purchase more even when the sales ban is in place. If an officer sees you with your magazine you simple tell him you had them before the ban. There is no way for them to know this is true. Because there is no registration system in place it is toothless and feel good rubbish, which is a small win for the pro gun side. Still though, I’m sure there is more to follow.

    1. avatar strych9 says:

      Just make sure you Dremel off the date stamp from new PMAGs…

      1. avatar Mark says:

        Never knew they had a date stamp. All Gens? Thanks for the heads up!

        1. avatar strych9 says:

          Yeah, they all have them.

          Left side of the mag, just below the mag release catch notch there are two circles. The lower circle has an arrow in the center of it and numbers 1-12 around the circle.

          There are also single digit numbers on each side of the arrow. Those are the year while the numbers around the circle are the month.

          So if you have a mag where you see the circle with an arrow that points to 7 and has 1 and 3 on the sides of the arrow then that mag was made in July of 2013.

        2. avatar Mark says:

          Ah, just looked. Thanks friend. This is good to know. Wonder if the left will figure this out. Do you know if Lancer mags have date codes on them?

        3. avatar John in Ohio says:

          We should send emails to Magpul asking them not to date stamp the magazines anymore due to pending bans. It is worth an attempt, IMHO.

        4. avatar Mark says:

          Do it! I will too!

        5. avatar strych9 says:

          I doubt MagPul will stop doing it. It’s part of their QC system which is a system they take damn seriously.

          Just lightly touch the circle with a Dremel tool using the appropriate attachment and there is no problem because the year markings are obliterated. Who cares if the authorities know what month the thing was made if they don’t know the year?

          As to Lancer mags: As per the company itself, yes, they do. They even warn you that mags marked 3/15 (they identify this number as a “date code”) may be mis-manufactured.

          See here: Lower right of page below image of the mag opposite the specs:

        6. avatar John in Ohio says:

          I also doubt that they will. During the last ban, I used my magazines with anything stamped on them. I may or may not dremel this round. I guess I’ll burn that bridge when I come to it. 😀 Thanks so much for the information, Strych9.

          @Mark: Yep. I intend to send that email tomorrow when I am well rested. I’m glad you will be sending one as well. Even if they want to market non-warrantied versions without the date stamp, it couldn’t hurt. Then, we can all bring care packages to our fellow POTG behind enemy lines when we visit.

      2. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

        Speaking of Magpul and the P Mag I just received this from vtguns,thanks to Magpul and Recoil Magazine.

        Alert: Green Mountain Airlift – MAGPUL 1,200 30 Round PMAG Magazines FREE to the first 1,200 folks PLEASE WEAR ORANGE

        Montpelier, VT – In anticipation of a legislative ban on standard capacity rifle magazines, the editors of RECOIL magazine are working with MAGPUL Industries to facilitate the delivery and distribution of 30-round PMAG rifle magazines free of charge to the citizens of Vermont in an overnight operation dubbed the “Green Mountain Airlift.”

        In order to support the law-abiding gun-owners of Vermont and blunt the assault on their Second Amendment rights, RECOIL’s Executive Editor, Rob Curtis, will give away 1,200 30-round PMAGs on Saturday afternoon in front of the Vermont Statehouse in Montpelier starting at 2:30pm.

        We invite the public to track the shipment of magazines from MAGPUL’s Cheyenne, WY facility to Vermont using the following FedEX tracking number: 771880807512. Should the shipment be delayed, the distribution will shift to 2:30pm on the date the shipment arrives.

        “We’re grateful to MAGPUL’s Duane Liptak for spearheading the overnight donation of 400 pounds of freedom to the Green Mountain State,” says Curtis. “His swift action means we will get the magazines here before Governor Phil Scott signs S.55 into law, trampling the rights of law-abiding Vermonters.”

        At the moment, the Vermont legislature is finalizing passage of S.55, a gun control bill that raises the age for long gun purchases to 21, requires mandatory background checks on nearly all non-commercial private firearm transfers, bans standard capacity rifle magazines that hold more than 10 rounds, and outlaws bumpstock devices.

        RECOIL and MAGPUL invite the citizens of Vermont to the Statehouse steps at 2:30pm on Saturday March 31st to receive a free 30-round PMAG standard capacity rifle magazine and show their support for the Second Amendment of the United States. A representative from the Vermont Federation of Sportsmen’s Clubs will be on hand to accept donations that will fuel the legal challenge to the new restrictions.

        WHO: RECOIL Magazine and MAGPUL Industries
        WHAT: Will be giving away 1,200 standard capacity MAGPUL PMAG rifle magazines free of charge to Vermont citizens (one per person, while supplies last) and accepting donations to the Vermont Federation of Sportsmen’s Clubs.
        WHEN: 2:30pm Saturday, March 31 until all magazines are distributed
        WHERE: The distribution will take place on the Statehouse steps or from the back of a red Ford F-150 in the parking spaces on State Street in front of the Vermont Statehouse.

        Primary Contact: Rob Curtis, Executive Editor – Recoil Magazine; E-mail: [email protected]
        Secondary Contact: Chris Bradley, President – VTFSC; Cell (802) 371-8758; Office: (802) 485-6112; [email protected]

    2. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

      They the legislature,were warned enforcement would at best be at best difficult if not impossible and then there is that pesky Article 16,think court challenge.

      The last time some petty tyrants tried something as this it didn’t go well,now I know it’s not the same court however Article 16 hasn’t changed since 1903 or for that matter 1791.


      it is repugnant to and inconsistent with the Constitution and the laws of this state.
      Thus Null and Void.

      Legislative Warning

      1. avatar John in Ohio says:

        That last URL is malformed. Please post a working link. 🙂

  32. avatar MGD says:

    I was just looking through my stash of magazines. They have no numbers or dates on them. Go out of state and bring them in.

  33. avatar DrewR55 says:

    After my state’s Republican representatives voted for the Omnibus spending bill and after the Republican Party failed to advance any legislation aimed at removing sound suppressors from the NFA or National Reciprocity I will be voting against my representatives in the primary and, if that fails, I will have to seriously consider voting against them in November.

    It was easy for me to vote Republican when Obama was in office because their sole job was to oppose anything the Democrats proposed. However, more then a year into the Trump administration the Republicans have demonstrated they have no idea what to do with the reins and that, as a whole, the elitist politicians share many of the same values as their Democratic counterparts. Across the nation Republican politicians have forgotten that a large portion of their voter base is made up of gun owners and they have taken us for granted believing we would never vote Democrat. Likewise, they have moved to the left hoping it will safeguard them by adding a few fence sitters and have caved to a bunch of screaming liberals who were never going to vote for them.

    These Republicans think they are safe to advance a few bills aimed at restricting our freedoms while presuming we would still vote for them.

    My only hope now is that enough of us are frustrated enough that we can begin discussing the desolation of this union of states.

    1. avatar John in Ohio says:

      “My only hope now is that enough of us are frustrated enough that we can begin discussing the desolation of this union of states.”

      I share your hope but I don’t hold too much of it after seeing what came and went in the 1990s. 🙁

      1. avatar barnbwt says:

        You mean “dissolution,” right?

        1. avatar John in Ohio says:

          I copy and paste quoted. Your reply should go one level up.

      2. avatar WVinMN says:

        It’s beyond time for a national divorce.

    2. avatar Jared Hamon says:

      Or you work to pack the judiciary. As is being done.

      1. avatar DrewR55 says:

        So, you’re advocating that we sit back and let the legislative and executive branches, as well as, state governments pass all the gun control bills they want and hope the courts strike them down?

        There are a few problems with your suggestion:

        The same man who is now advocating for the banning of bump stocks, Fix NICS, and declining to advocate for the inclusion of reciprocity and armeing teachers is picking the judges.

        The courts have not proven particularly sympathetic to our cause in the past. Supporting state assault weapon bans and ‘May Issue’ laws are just some of the most recent decisions and in the past they have supported the NFA. This is the same court system that found seven round magazine limits to be capricious also found ten round limits to be acceptable.

        Finally, there have been those on this board who have suggested our supporters on the Supreme Court is simply waiting until they have a clear majority before accepting a case but that is the same logic that said if we give the Republics the legislative and executive branches we will get all of our rights restored.

        Frankly, like I’ve said before, relying on the courts to rule when the federal government has gone too far is like trusting a crack addict to know when they have taken too many hits on the pipe.

        1. avatar Jared Hamon says:

          First Trump “picking” the judiciary: The person coordinating the picks is Don McGahn with help from the Heritage Foundation and the Federalist Society.

          Second: Thanks to the elimination of the filibuster the picks no longer need any Democrat support allowing for solid conservative picks.

          Third: The executive and Senate are nominating confirming picks at a record-setting pace.

          Fourth: There are plenty of conservative jurists: the Ferderalist society (an organisation dedicated to conservative justices) had over 60k membership.

          Fifth: The state Supreme Court could also block it on state grounds:
          STATE CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISION – Chapter 1, Article 16.

          “That the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and the State as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military should be kept under strict subordination to and governed by the civil power.”

      2. avatar barnbwt says:

        Where do judges come from? Liberal, no, more like full-on Communist, universities. The selection bias makes conservative or constitutionalist justices impossibly rare.

        1. avatar John in Ohio says:

          That too. Try to find a judge that actually understands “shall not be infringed” and will defend it pledging his reputation and fortune. The best one could hope for would be more government privileges dressed up to look like rights. Heller, while good, still rubber stamped past and future infringement.

      3. avatar John in Ohio says:

        You assume that’s what is being done because that’s what you are told. Nobody knows what is in the hearts of justices that might be appointed to the supreme court; even they do not. For all you and anyone else knows, this is an intentional stall tactic. It could simply be typical incompetence and power grab. The tendency of governments to increase in power would still make the latter possibility a disaster for the exercise of individual rights.

        On one hand, it might be a clever ploy to stack the court (33 dimensional blindfolded chess again anynone?). On the other, it could be malicious or even bumbling; both of which would lead to bad consequences. I’m not willing to risk any more exercise of my rights. The odds are it isn’t anything good or the risks are just too damned high for the potential reward.

        Did you watch that talk given by a former technical director at the NSA? He designed the systems and protocols that the agency uses to collect data. The NSA disabled his safeguards and he said that they have dirt on EVERYONE. Think about that and this stacking the court dream. Congress wouldn’t even listen to him so he went overseas. He started his own group.

        1. avatar Jared Hamon says:

          I also can read their writings/opinions. Allison H. Eid (tenth circuit) protected the right of students to carry on campus in her opinion as a state supreme court justice.

        2. avatar John in Ohio says:

          That does not invalidate what I stated. Please re-read what I wrote.

          From the decision:
          “Because we affirm on statutory grounds, we do not consider the Students’ constitutional claim.”

          Read through it. AFAIK, the decision was in favor of government privilege and did not rule on the exercise of the unalienable individual right to keep and bear arms. Hopefully, you know the difference between a privilege and the exercise of a right.

          Regardless, I keep harping about the real exercise of unalienable individual rights; rightS. I’ve been at this a while and have noticed long ago that government may throw a bone every now and then in one area but the raping of other areas of liberty is astounding. The net result is a loss of freedom for the individual. I am far less free today than I was just a decade ago. Incrementalism rarely works in the true restoration of the exercise of unalienable individual rights. Citing a court case that found in favor of government privileges, the opposite of the constitutional protection of shall not be infringed, does not help make your point. You’re being thrown bones and trying to convince others that you have been well fed. Nonsense! I’ve heard fools and jackasses peddling that exact rubbish since the 1970s.

        3. avatar John in Ohio says:

          Did you see, hear, or attend that talk by a former technical director of the NSA that I referenced above?

        4. avatar Jared Hamon says:

          John in Ohio: refusing to answer the constitutionality because the rule was illegal is standard judicial practice.

          “If a case can be decided on either of two grounds, one involving a constitutional question, the other a question of statutory construction or general law, the Court will decide only the latter.” Ashwander v. Tennessee Valley Authority (1936)

          You are not going to find a lot of jurisprudence on gun cases, so everyone works with what they have. The fact she ruled for more freedom stands for her benefit. It also helps she was a law clerk for Clarence Thomas. I use her as an example, most of his appointees have not encountered rkba questions, but their writings/opinions in other matters are solidly conservative as far as I can tell

        5. avatar cisco kid says:

          Yea stack the Supreme Court and we will never have to worry about the destruction of the Second Amendment. Guess again Morons as the Court has always sided with public opinion and when Gorsuck went over to the enemy that was the hand writing on the wall last summer.

        6. avatar Jared Hamon says:

          cisco Kid What are you talking about? Gorsuch joined Thomas in his dissent of cert.

        7. avatar John in Ohio says:

          @Jared Hamon, you aren’t addressing any of the substance of what I wrote so I won’t get further in the weeds. I haven’t time to waste. I wish you well.

        8. avatar Jared Hamon says:

          John in Ohio: I wish you well too. Keep up the fight.

      4. avatar cisco kid says:

        Hey Jard that link you gave me from the Washington Post on Gorsuck was ancient history. Grosuck screwed us on the Maryland Assault Rifle ban completely trashing the prior Heller ruling.

        1. avatar Jared Hamon says:

          How? By not writing a lengthy denial of cert dissent? He had made his official opinion known on Peruta. Not everyone feels the need to express dissatisfaction on not getting four votes every time four votes are not achieved.

  34. avatar We are doomed says:

    I was recently offered a job in Vermont. No raise or “beautiful mountains “ are worth my freedom.

  35. avatar BigDaveinVT says:

    Funny that TTAG is posting this as “breaking news”. I e-mailed them about this a week ago.

    Thanks for the support, RF. I’m outta here!

  36. avatar Nanashi says:

    A disgrace to Coolidge.

  37. avatar Survivordude1090 says:

    Born and raised and in CT. Planned on moving to VT, NH, or Maine. Well VT just went full retard. NH or Maine only options now. Only states here in the Northeast that haven’t gone full retard. Hopefully it stays that way for a little while longer…

    1. avatar Mark says:

      I would be wary of New England. The coasts are dangerous now. Head to the midwest or mountain states (except CO). Idaho, Wyoming, Montana are good. Kansas is fantastic too.

      1. avatar strych9 says:

        Nothing wrong with Colorado except the housing and traffic which are not as bad as the coasts. Avoid Denver and Boulder.

        Plus we have legal weed if that’s your thing, not my cup of tea, but hey it’s a step towards freedom.

  38. avatar barnbwt says:


  39. avatar barnbwt says:

    Imagine how well we’d be attended if select Republicans are slaughtered in the election this year, across the nation, after croasing gun owners. They wouldn’t dare take us for granted for a whole generation.

    The thing about slippery slopes is, they level off at the bottom. We’re nearly there, a few years of formal (as opposed to secret) Dem influence won’t budge the needle much. If they pass more laws, we’ll just keep ignoring them as we can. At that point whoever we select to represent us won’t think of committing political suicide by sacrificing gun owners.

    Art of the Deal means walking away sometimes

    1. avatar pwrserge says:

      Yes… because nothing bad could possibly happen by letting the commies import a few hundred million migrants… I mean look at France or the UK.

      1. avatar CZJay says:

        Republicans are allowing the importation and grandstanding the opposite. They don’t cut the head off, they just give out pedicures. Walls don’t stop anything. Turn the tap off instead of trying to catch the water with buckets.

        Voting out Neo Leftists [fake ass Republicans] is a step forward though it looks like a step backwards. When you have a FBI agent/informant inside your group trying to start violence/crime you need to kick him out instead of agreeing to his brilliant ideas [4D chess]. If you leave these people inside your group, they will destroy it from within while you sleep.

        If a bunch of Democrats get elected, people will be much more involved and active knowing that there is a clear and defined enemy of the people… Those people don’t have a sheep costume like the Republicans do.

        Right now Republicans have done more to disarm Republicans than the previous government. They have a President that is against black guns and they have a bunch of Democrats that will jump on a grenade for them.

        1. avatar pwrserge says:

          … I keep repeating myself… THAT’S WHAT PRIMARIES ARE FOR.

        2. avatar cisco kid says:

          Hey pwrserge whatever Nazi country you came from you need to go back. The majority of immigrants that came here are not like you and they do not hate other immigrants. In your case its called hypocrisy. America fought the right wing Nazi’s like you in the Second World War we don’t want any like you here in our country. And you obviously flunked history when it comes to the military being told what to do. They are told to do it and they do it. By the way Moron its immigrants that made this country great with one exception we fked up when we let you in.

        3. avatar pwrserge says:

          Try again commie. Sounds like you’re the one who hates immigrants.

          Pro tip: Look up the difference between an immigrant and a migrant you racist piece of shit.

      2. avatar cisco kid says:

        to pwrserg.

        Since it takes a good 10 years to become a citizen this proves how much of a racist Nazi moron you really are. And I know a lot of immigrants who were grateful they would finally be able to buy a gun. If you were not such a Nazi racist just maybe by knowing a few you would realize how ignorant you are.

        1. avatar pwrserge says:

          Whatever you say kiddo… I’m a naturalized citizen myself. The left knows they lost the argument with the native population, so just like every other group of commies, their next step is a bit of ethnic cleansing. But hey, you fantasize about sending the US military against US citizens. As a former member of said military, I’d say you wouldn’t live long enough to regret issuing such an order.

    2. avatar CZJay says:

      Isn’t that rule number one?

      Always willing and able to walk away. Once they know you can’t walk away, they will do as they please with you. Don’t be a battered house wife who will never leave her physically and emotionally abusive husband who also beats the kids. The sooner you leave the better — don’t become dependent on assholes.

      1. avatar John in Ohio says:

        That’s a very good way of putting it. The longer this continues, the more entangled and dangerous the situation becomes.

  40. avatar Bob Wilson Sr says:

    Vermont Gov. Phil Scott…. any relation to FL Gov. Rick Scott? Both Scott’s stabbed their Republican constituents in the back.

  41. avatar MLee says:

    Oh bull shit! He has a moral obligation to uphold rights. It’s the medias fault the stupid kids are afraid to go to school. The ignorant kids are too stupid to comprehend a sim they are roughly 50 times more likely to die in a car accident under the age of 13 than being killed in school.
    High capacity ban is meaningless and anyone who has handled firearms knows it. They are appeasing the ignorant with that type of legislation. The governor is a coward.

    1. avatar CZJay says:

      There is a rumor going around that the Parkland shooter used 10 round magazines.

      The reason why they want to ban magazines over 10 rounds is because they don’t want the citizens to have the ability to take on the agents of the State. When they come to confiscate, they want you to have very little ammo on hand and they want your gun to hold even less.

      1. avatar CZJay says:

        They don’t want anything like this going down:

  42. avatar nike j says:

    the general misconception is that any statute passed by legislators bearing the apearence
    of law constitutes the law of the land. The U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and any statute, to be valid, must be in agreement. It is impossible for a law which violates the Constitution to be valid. This is succinctly stated as follows:
    “All laws which are repugnent to the Constitution are null and void.” Marberry vs Madison, 5 US
    (cranch) 137, 174, 176(1803)

    1. avatar John in Ohio says:

      That’s ironic because Marbury v. Madison was where the supreme court seized the power of judicial review and conferred it upon itself without constitutional authority.

  43. avatar Cloudbuster says:

    Magazines cannot be transferred or sold. Meaning they cannot be inherited by family.

    How would the state possibly prove such a thing? Magazines are neither registered nor serialized.

    1. avatar CZJay says:

      Sales records and internet history.

      1. avatar John in Ohio says:

        During the ban years earlier, we bought from under the counters, in person, in cash. We also broke just about every “assault weapons ban” regulation, just because. However, these days things are a bit different.

  44. avatar anonymoose says:

    No! Not my precious Vermont that I’ve always used as an example of a state devoid of gun restrictions with a low crime rate! This BS needs to be repealed or the state is going to turn totally blue and then there will be total non-compliance.

    1. avatar cisco kid says:

      Well if it can happen in the least likely State in the Union you know the whole Nation has gone bat shit paranoid and in full panic mode. Of course the full vetting of all gun purchases was long overdue as well as the Feds cleaning up their act and coming down hard on Red States that have been dragging their feet on putting info into the background check system.

      1. avatar CZJay says:

        Uhh… The military didn’t put thousands of names into the system. Also, states with cannabis legalization didn’t put names into the system.

      2. avatar Tiger says:

        Welll hate to say I told you guys the “status quo” never give a inch stuff was not going to fly a month ago. But I told you so…

  45. avatar Tiger says:

    No more Vermont chesse in my shopping cart………

    1. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

      Don’t forget the Vermont maple surple and defiantly No Ben and Communist Jerry’s ice cream,yes I know they sold it to Unilever,Eff em anyway as they are the Burnmeisters best Communist buddies.
      Vermonts main industry is tourism,Boycott Vermont.

      1. avatar anonymoose says:

        No more skiing for me.

    2. avatar tsbhoa.p.jr says:

      the odds of me not tossing a brick of cabot’s 3yr aged extra sharp cheddar into my cart are zero to bupkis.
      enjoy your velveeta burger.
      cheez whiz is for coral reef fish.

  46. avatar Tom P says:

    “A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.”
    ~George Washington

  47. avatar Sian says:

    “Magazines cannot be transferred or sold. Meaning they cannot be inherited by family.”

    How are they going to enforce this?

    They can’t. Most magazines aren’t dated. If it was made in your lifetime, they can’t prove you didn’t own it before the ban.

    1. avatar John in Ohio says:

      Please see and

      During the last ban, there were post ban magazines marked “LE only” and the rest of us purchased non-marked magazines from under the counter, in cash and in person. In today’s snitch filled world enabled by social media, it might be another story. Hell, give it a couple of years and more than a few POTG might turn people in.

    2. avatar anonymoose says:

      Cue NRA lawsuit that will take 5 or more years before this crap is repealed (or not repealed).

      1. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

        Thankfully it will go before the Vermont supreme court and it should be a year or two at the most,it will be on Article 16 which is stronger wording the the 2 nd. amendment.

  48. avatar Kyle in Upstate NY says:

    So I am curious about this magazine ban: the law says standard-capacity magazines are banned for semiautomatic rifles, but not for lever-action and bolt-action. Well there are multiple bolt-actions that take AR magazines, and actually some bolt-action ARs even. So how does that work? Basically all I can see is that you couldn’t use the 30 rounders in a semiautomatic AR or other such rifle, but you could use them in a bolt-action, so possession of them shouldnt’ be a problem right?

    Also let’s not totally panic, yes Vermont fell, but Florida didn’t fall to the same degree. The major bone of Florida is the 3-day waiting period. The others, i.e. raising the age to buy a gun to 21 and the 3-day waiting period, are pains, but nothing really bad like a magazine capacity ban, universal background checks, or assault weapons ban passed. Vermont really too kit up the wazoo though.

    1. avatar John in Ohio says:

      Constructive possession?

    2. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

      “So I am curious about this magazine ban: the law says standard-capacity magazines are banned for semiautomatic rifles, but not for lever-action and bolt-action. Well there are multiple bolt-actions that take AR magazines, and actually some bolt-action ARs even. So how does that work? ”

      Because the Lefttard legislators don’t know a thing about what they are legislating ,that said a Marlin 94 in 38 special ,at 20″ barrel will take 15 – 16 rounds in the tube,a assault Marlin lever action.

  49. avatar Hannibal says:

    Since magazines are grandfathered in with no apparent registration, the law is almost toothless to anyone who knows it.

    But of course the point of the law isn’t to actually have an effect, it’s to punish gun owners.

  50. The gun-grabbers are getting bolder and more greedy. They had better be careful to not wake the sleeping giant they keep poking.

    1. avatar John in Ohio says:

      You have hit the nail right on the head. Excellent article. Thank you.

      “I know why they are disappointed. But I think at the end of the day, they’ll soon learn that what we have proposed, what’s being passed at this time, doesn’t intrude upon the 2nd Amendment. It doesn’t take away guns, and I believe that we will get accustomed to the new normal, which is trying to address this underlying violence that we are seeing across the nation.” – Gov. Phil Scott

      1. avatar Hannibal says:

        Based on modern history, he’s right. Plenty of states have passed similar bills. Lots of people don’t comply, but it doesn’t matter; it grows the narrative of gun control being normal and legal. And of course it presents people with a choice: give in or become criminals. Most people don’t want to do either so it’s a lose-lose choice.

  51. avatar SJS says:

    There is no “two party system”. We have one deep state elite party.
    The only difference between the Democrats and Republicans is the difference between communists and socialist .
    Democrats = communists = murder. Republicans = socialists = suicide.
    Democrats rule and enslave by force (murder). Republicans rule and enslave by votes, (suicide).
    They are the two heads of the deep state elite party.
    Make no mistake about this, the deep state elite want us dead. Their political, economic and social agenda is closing to the end result of a total disarmed citizenry.

    1. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

      @ SJS

      You nailed it,two sides of the same corrupt coin.

      1. avatar SJS says:

        When one is deprived of ones liberty, one is right in blaming not so much the man who puts the shackles on as the one who had the power to prevent him, but did not use it.


        A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.

        Marcus Tullius Cicero

  52. avatar johnny go lightly says:

    I always chuckle at these mag bans. We won the second world war with 8-round enbloc clips. Idiots. Vote them ALL out this November.

  53. avatar Indiana Tom says:

    Magazines for Rifles are limited to 10rds and Pistols are limited to 15rds. Lever Action and Bolt Action are exempt from the magazine ban. Pump Action Rifles/Shotguns are not.
    So what is the difference in fire power of a lever versus a pump?
    The pump is more evil?

  54. avatar Indiana Tom says:

    Vermont is a Liberal Blue State and this just proves my point about that you just cannot be a Liberal and be for any of the Bill of Rights in the Constitution.
    Liberalism = Statism.
    What about the RINOs?
    Flip side of the coin.
    Heads you lose, tails they win.

  55. avatar Gun Owning American says:

    Another state falls to more tyranny.

  56. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

    Guaranteed to cause fits of rage ,pissing,moaning,gnashing of teeth in the hearts of Left Tards in Montpelier,a Big middle finger to our RINO governor and all his legislative Communist fellow travlers and across the state.

    Thanks to VTFSC,Magpul and Recoil Magazine.

    Gun rights group plans magazine handout in protest of law

    A leading Vermont gun rights group says it will hand out 1,200 unloaded 30-round gun magazines on the Statehouse lawn on Saturday in protest of a law banning the devices that was passed by the Senate Friday.

    Backers of the bill say that limiting magazine capacity will reduce the lethality of firearms, while opponents say it is infringement of their constitutional right to bear arms, and a disadvantage against criminal attackers.

    Chris Bradley, president of the Vermont Federation of Sportsmen’s Clubs, said that he was coordinating the event with Rob Curtis, executive editor of RECOIL, which describes itself as a “firearm lifestyle magazine.” Curtis’ LinkedIn profile says he lives in Williston.

    “These are free magazines out of the box,” Bradley said in an interview Friday night, “to be given out to the first 1,200 Vermonters who would like to have one.”

    1. avatar Very Angry In VT says:

      I hate Montpelier and always have! I’ve left about a dozen messages for Phil Scott. I can not believe he once had an A rating from the NRA.

      1. avatar John in Ohio says:

        “I can not believe he once had an A rating from the NRA.”

        I can. That rating system is meaningless as it is from an organization that only supports government privileges and not the exercise of unalienable individual rights. What government gives, government can, and will eventually, take away.

    2. avatar cisco kid says:

      They are very slick they are giving the magazines away because they will soon be confiscated any way. Overnight they are now worthless and of course the Governor said now its a slam dunk because he is going to sign it. Yes the Republicans are hypocrites that only act when they think they will not be reelected. Doing what is right never crosses their minds. And doing what is wrong is ok if you fill their pockets with gold. If you want the Governor not to sign it he will change his mind if you offer him enough money, obviously Blumberg got to him first.

      1. avatar tsbhoa.p.jr says:

        beat it, nerd.

      2. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

        The Magazine Airlift to Vermont was sponsored by the Vermont Federation of Sportsmans Clubs,Magpul and Recoil Magazine.
        The magazines left Magpul in Wyoming of Friday and arrived in Vermont early this past Saturday morning,overnight if you will,due to Magpul’s generosity.
        The P Mags were not from dealer stock that couldn’t be sold,that is occurring this week end because as Benedict Scott signs the bill they are Verboten,most likely Monday morning.

        I can’t post a link to this so I have to post the e mail from VTFSC on yesterdays hand out of Magpul’s P Mag Vermont Airlift Operation.

        The media has under reported the citizens present as hundreds. Wrong. (Numerous Media Outlets)
        The media has under the number of PMAGS given out as 400 and it was 1,200. (Times Argus and Rutland Herald)
        The media reported that ammunition was given out, not magazines and the 30 round PMAGS were not “high-caps”. (Burlington Free Press)
        Please call Governor Scott at 802-828-3333 and politely say “Veto S.55 and its Mag. Ban”
        The photos show the crowd runs out to the sidewalk and down the sidewalk, both ways and the crowd overflowed out into the treed areas on the side.
        Please call Governor Scott at 802-828-3333 and politely say “Veto S.55 and its Mag. Ban”×683.jpg×683.jpg×683.jpg

  57. avatar dave says:

    Did anyone fail to notice the game played in regards to the handgun magazine rule? It’s apparent that the legislature wanted their bill to look less drastic than other states that have passed gun control. Fifteen round magazines in handguns are not very common. Almost all 9mm full size guns have at least 16-17 round magazines and no manufacturer is going to go out of their way to make a “Vermont magazine”.

    1. avatar anonymoose says:

      So companies will stop selling Glock 17s, but the Beretta 92, P226 (with some models), P229, Glock 19 and 20, and everything HK makes comes with 15-rounders standard. I expect this whole thing to be confounded by non-compliance and a number of lawsuits soon, though.

      1. avatar mark says:

        Um no, you can get 10 round Glock 17 mags or perhaps someone will make 15 round mags. Seriously though, there is no reason to comply with this law.

  58. avatar Very Angry In VT says:

    Governor Scott is a real p.o.s. This is clearly a move to further his political agenda. Which is a real shame, especially considering the fact that in this blue state, he beat a democrat by a considerable amount. I couldn’t be more ashamed of being a ‘vermonter’ right now…

  59. avatar SJS says:

    “Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.”

    – William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783

  60. avatar Vince says:

    Let that asshole arrest all of us.. No one will pay that traitors fucking salary… Face it people our government is not legitimate.. Revolt now!!! Fuck that rino traitor!!! Now were all considered felons.., fuck em!!!

  61. avatar Mick says:

    Republicans and Democrats both hate freedom. Vote third party and put these scum on the streets.

    1. avatar barnbwt says:

      Or just don’t vote. Either way, make the Republicans –elected as well as their voters– learn they will never win again without the gun vote. It’ll be a rough road, but that’s the only way they’ll understand.

      “Gee Frank, sucks that your taxes went up & your kid can’t get into school because he’s white; maybe you should tell your reps to hold the line on stuff your fellow Republicans care about that don’y affect you personally, next time”

      Make RKBA a Fatal Third Rail Again

  62. avatar Chris says:

    I read the synopsis, looked at his stupid picture and laughed. Hey great, that’s nothing California hasn’t already been through and look what it did for our crime statistics. I

  63. avatar John Clark says:

    That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State–and as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military should be kept under strict subordination to and governed by the civil power.

  64. avatar Adam says:

    Curious as to where this legal battle is going to go. SCOTUS already stated the 2nd amendment covers an individual right keep arms and multiple cases have found that 18 year olds are adult individuals. Seems like a slam dunk that this law will get repealed by the courts since you can’t remove rights from adults but you never know with all the activists judges on the bench.

    1. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

      Vermont supreme court,it shouldn’t take as long in decision.

      State Right to Bear Arms in Vermont

      Chapter I, Article 16 of the Vermont Constitution states:

      That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence [sic] of themselves and the State – and as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military should be kept under strict subordination to and governed by the civil power.

      Vermonts Article 16 was used in the Heller decision and is even stronger in meaning than the second.

  65. avatar Mike Steuwe says:

    So Bernie Sanders and family can be protected by these “assault weapons” with their high capacity magazines but mine can’t? Must be because I’m not a millionaire like him. If I wanted laws like ny or ma I would move there, now I will soon be another young person leaving this state. Such a shame.

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