New from Ruger: Pistol Caliber Carbine

Sturm, Ruger & Company, Inc. (NYSE: RGR) is proud to introduce the PC Carbine™ chambered in 9mm Luger. Practical and versatile, the Pistol Caliber Carbine is ideal for any shooter, from novice to experienced. Built to excel in a number of roles from plinking or competition to home or personal defense, the PC Carbine is highly configurable and compact, making it the perfect portable companion to match with many popular pistols. Uniquely designed for use with a variety of magazines, the PC Carbine features an easily interchangeable magazine well system that allows the rifle to accept common Ruger® and Glock® magazines. This new rifle also features a dead blow action with a custom tungsten dead blow weight that shortens bolt travel and reduces felt recoil and muzzle rise. Similar to the popular 10/22 Takedown® rifle, the PC Carbine is designed for quick separation of the barrel/forend assembly from the action for ease of transportation and storage. Takedown is as simple as locking the bolt back and verifying that the rifle is unloaded, pushing a recessed lever, twisting the subassemblies and pulling them apart. "Our customers have long been requesting the return of a Ruger pistol caliber carbine and we are excited to bring this versatile design to market," said Chris Killoy, Ruger President and CEO. "Designed with shooting enthusiasts in mind, the PC Carbine's interchangeable magazine well system allows customers to use some of the most commonly available 9mm Luger handgun magazines in their rifle." The rifle also features a reversible magazine release and charging handle to accommodate right- or left-handed shooters. The bolt is machined from heat-treated, chrome-moly steel to ensure strength, structural integrity and durability. The cold hammer-forged, chrome-moly steel barrel with ultra-precise rifling provides exceptional accuracy, longevity and easy cleaning and features a 1/2"-28 thread pattern to allow for use of standard muzzle accessories. The rifle's accurate sighting system features a ghost ring adjustable rear aperture sight and a non-glare, protected blade front sight. The durable glass-filled nylon synthetic stock includes a forward-mounted accessory rail and a soft rubber buttpad with spacers to allow the rifle to be adjusted for different sized shooters or varying levels of outerwear. The PC Carbine ships with the SR-Series / Security-9® magazine well installed and an additional magazine well that accepts Glock® magazines. A Ruger American Pistol® magazine well will be available separately at ShopRuger.com.

Press release: Sturm, Ruger & Company, Inc. (NYSE: RGR) is proud to introduce the PC Carbine™ chambered in 9mm Luger. Practical and versatile, the Pistol Caliber Carbine is ideal for any shooter, from novice to experienced. Built to excel in a number of roles from plinking or competition to home or personal defense, the PC Carbine is highly configurable and compact, making it the perfect portable companion to match with many popular pistols.

Uniquely designed for use with a variety of magazines, the PC Carbine features an easily interchangeable magazine well system that allows the rifle to accept common Ruger® and Glock® magazines. This new rifle also features a dead blow action with a custom tungsten dead blow weight that shortens bolt travel and reduces felt recoil and muzzle rise.

Similar to the popular 10/22 Takedown® rifle, the PC Carbine is designed for quick separation of the barrel/forend assembly from the action for ease of transportation and storage. Takedown is as simple as locking the bolt back and verifying that the rifle is unloaded, pushing a recessed lever, twisting the subassemblies and pulling them apart.

Ruger pistol caliber carbine

“Our customers have long been requesting the return of a Ruger pistol caliber carbine and we are excited to bring this versatile design to market,” said Chris Killoy, Ruger President and CEO. “Designed with shooting enthusiasts in mind, the PC Carbine’s interchangeable magazine well system allows customers to use some of the most commonly available 9mm Luger handgun magazines in their rifle.”

The rifle also features a reversible magazine release and charging handle to accommodate right- or left-handed shooters. The bolt is machined from heat-treated, chrome-moly steel to ensure strength, structural integrity and durability. The cold hammer-forged, chrome-moly steel barrel with ultra-precise rifling provides exceptional accuracy, longevity and easy cleaning and features a 1/2″-28 thread pattern to allow for use of standard muzzle accessories.

Ruger pistol caliber carbine specs

The rifle’s accurate sighting system features a ghost ring adjustable rear aperture sight and a non-glare, protected blade front sight. The durable glass-filled nylon synthetic stock includes a forward-mounted accessory rail and a soft rubber buttpad with spacers to allow the rifle to be adjusted for different sized shooters or varying levels of outerwear.

The PC Carbine ships with the SR-Series / Security-9® magazine well installed and an additional magazine well that accepts Glock® magazines. A Ruger American Pistol® magazine well will be available separately at ShopRuger.com.

MSRP: $649 (about $525 on Brownells)

comments

  1. avatar ATFAgentBob says:

    Ok this just made the gotta have list.

    1. avatar Mark N. says:

      Ding! Pushes my buttons too.

    2. avatar Bruce says:

      I don’t know if I trust this gun or not!
      I mean after I read Grabby giffords gun grabber website I don’t see anywhere in the add that says by me buying this gun I’ll be a racist, that I’ll kill a 100 children in 30 seconds, if I don’t shoot a bunch of 90 year old lady’s sewing quilts for blind children it’ll just float all by itself and shoot the blind kids too not just the old lady’s!
      So it’s obvious the gun doesn’t work!!!!!
      BlaaaaaaaaaaaA

    3. avatar Madcapp says:

      That’s excellent news, I’d be more than happy to buy one. Anybody know if there’s a magwell adapter for P-series magazines?

      1. avatar Jeremy B. says:

        Not very likely that they’d produce magwell for out of production gun mags. But it could happen, I guess.

        1. avatar Benjamin W says:

          “Not very likely that they’d produce magwell for out of production gun mags. But it could happen, I guess.”

          I don’t see why they wouldn’t. They clearly designed this gun to take a wide variety of magazines with that magazine well design. It doesn’t look like it would be expensive to design and produce new magwell designs. They don’t have to make new magazines, just make the magazine well adapter. Making a P-series adapter does a couple things.

          Gets people like me who owns plenty of P-series 9mm magazines more interested in this gun. There are tens of thousands of P-series owners who are potential customers. How many 9mm P-series were made? 100,000+? More?

          Gets people away from Glock. You never WANT to have a competitors name on, or involved with, your product. Sometimes, as is the case here, you simply can’t deny the market reality and have to do it. In this case, a P-series magazine adapter gives people yet another magazine option that not only doesn’t have GLOCK on it, but it has their own name on it.

      2. avatar Chris T from KY says:

        Because I have a p89 I was thinking the same thing.

        1. avatar Jon M says:

          My personal suggestion would be to wait about 6 months or so after this gun hits the shelves, then go on gunbroker.com and buy a used Ruger PC-9. That gun took P89, P95, and P85 mags, but was discontinued back in 2007.

          Prices right now are through the roof for a used one ($800+). However, after the new PC Carbine hits the shelves, I fully expect prices for the used PC-9’s to drop like a rock.

  2. avatar IdahoBoy says:

    How much?

    1. avatar Jeremy S. says:

      Those jackwagons make you read the whole press release to find out! The nerve of some people.

      1. avatar Jeff O. says:

        Reading?! Why that’s not the American way!

        1. avatar Red in CO says:

          “America, F*ck yeah!
          ……
          ……
          …..
          …..
          “Books! (Silence)”

          (From the hilarious theme song for Team America: World Police)

  3. avatar Jeremy in AL says:

    Finally.
    I think you mean blowback, not dead blow action.

    1. avatar ATFAgentBob says:

      This new rifle also features a dead blow action with a custom tungsten dead blow weight that shortens bolt travel and reduces felt recoil and muzzle rise.

      More than likely that was Ruger’s description of their blowback with dead blow weight action system.

      1. avatar Swarf says:

        So it’s full of lead shot? Or sand?

        1. avatar ATFAgentBob says:

          A tungsten weight.

        2. avatar Swarf says:

          Yes. Thank you for clearing that up, Agent Bob.

    2. avatar FlaBoy says:

      Ruger used the term, “Dead blow action” that features a “tungsten dead blow weight” (what is that??). I assume it’s some kind of action motion offsetting weight. But it’s still a weight. One problem of almost all blowback designs of anything larger than a 22 rimfire type cartridge is the gun weight.
      Note this small, short barreled, “light looking” gun is not lightweight. It weighs 6.8 lbs. Add any type of red dot, small scope, etc. and it’s going to be over 7 lbs. By comparison, a 16 inch Rossi lever action weighs 4.8 lbs.

      1. avatar PJ says:

        Pretty good effort from Ruger. A problem though… the takedown feature seems to say, “Put it in a backpack and go hiking.” But then the weight becomes an issue. Who wants to haul that much weight around? Are you really going to shoot a bear with a 9mm?

        So, more of a truck gun than a backpack gun. Still, I’m thinking about it. Home defense with a rifle is nice, compared to a handgun, because you can actually hit what you are aiming at. You won’t blow your eardrums out either, like you would with a 16 inch AR-15.

  4. avatar Mike says:

    Awesome! Now make it in 10mm or 44 Magnum.

    1. avatar Kendahl says:

      I was thinking .357 Sig. The longer barrel would produce higher velocity and reduce muzzle blast.

      1. avatar jackalope says:

        Has Ruger ever done a gun in 357Sig? I don’t ever remember seeing anything at all.

        1. avatar Jack says:

          Nope. Ruger has never made a gun in 357sig. They have a rule that the round must be sold at WalMart.

        2. avatar Red in CO says:

          You sure? My Wal-Mart, in a small mountain town in SW Colorado, stocks .357 Sig

        3. avatar mark s. says:

          Isn’t a Ruger Blackhawk a gun ?

    2. avatar BLoving says:

      .45acp and it needs to take 1911 mags… so I can stop thinking of the Marlin Camp Carbine and how a return of that rifle could save the Marlin name today.
      I’d rather give my money to Ruger anyway.
      🤠

      1. avatar emfourty gasmask says:

        why not Glock mags in 45ACP 6.9

        1. avatar Reef Blastbody says:

          Yes. G21 magazines, and get the KRISS extended magazines.

          Also, Ruger needs to offer integrally suppressed barrels for this as an option.

        2. avatar Jeremy S. says:

          If sales of this go well I wouldn’t be surprised if they make an integrally suppressed version. They’ve done it for the 10/22 and I think it would be even cooler on this.

        3. avatar ArjayBardo says:

          I will use whatever mags to shoot .45ACP! Just build the carbine!!!!

      2. avatar FlaBoy says:

        I want a .45 acp, as well. Heavy, fat subsonic bullet + suppressor = wonderful !!!

        Hello, Ruger …. are you listening ???

        1. avatar FlaBoy says:

          I say I want one in 45acp, but now that I consider the weight, I’m not so sure. If the 9mm version weighs 6.8 lbs, how much more will a 45acp weigh, with it’s even heavier blow back weight? (…or “dead blowback” weight, as described by Ruger). May as well go ahead and order the Mech Tech carbine I’ve been considering, which can be had with Glock lower, a 1911 lower, or an XD lower.

      3. avatar FlaBoy says:

        Let’s hope this Ruger version is more accurate than the old Marlin camp guns. Yes, the Marlins were noted for being adequate, shooting “minute of deer” or “minute of nearby varmint”. But they were not known as nail drivers. Hopefully, with modern machining, etc, Ruger has done better.

        1. avatar Jeff says:

          Eh? Mine does OK. 1.25 – 1.75 at 25 or 30, regardless of ammo. You know econo 115gr 9mm. So much for the Camp 9 and the S&W 59 series magazine family.

    3. avatar VerendusAudeo says:

      Personally, I think Ruger should bring back the Deerfield/Deerstalker line. It was a .44 magnum carbine similar to the 10/22. If they brought it back with a few more calibre choices like .357 Magnum and .45 Colt, and they made 10-15 round magazines in addition to the standard 4, it would be the perfect weapon for home defense or hunting in the brush.

      1. avatar DrewR says:

        Little known fact, the 10/22 was designed specifically to bolster sales of the .44 carbine. I used to have one, and wouldn’t mind a redesign, especially in. 357. They would have to update the stock, though, as it had a nasty punch to your cheekbone when using the open sights.

      2. avatar Red in CO says:

        I’d buy that in a heartbeat if it was chambered in .357 magnum. Let’s start a petition! Ruger, get on this!

        1. avatar Jeff K says:

          totally agree on the .357 Magnum; what else is more versatile?

        2. avatar Rodney McArthur says:

          I have a M1 carbine (IBM) that was converted to .357 Mag and it is sweet to shoot and accurate too.

      3. avatar D. Brian Casady says:

        The only issue with making the gas operated carbine in .45 Colt that I know of, is that the carbine requires jacketed ammunition. Lead bullets shave off enough to clog the gas bleed off hole, thus causing malfunction due to not enough gas to operate the action. Using only jacketed bullets in .45 Colt is not easy unless you reload. Most of the .45 Colt I can find is the 250 grain lead bullet variety. I load my own with JSP and H110 for my Ruger Blackhawk.

      4. avatar Larry Roberts says:

        Bring back the .44 Mag Deerfield/Deerstalker. I would buy one right now!!!

      5. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

        I was able to acquire a deerstalker a few years back. It’s still in mint condition. It’s a real thumper.

    4. avatar PETE R says:

      The old PC rifles were made in .44 mag. I came across one the other day. Too bad i just a 9mm PCC. Guess have to wait for it in the .45

    5. avatar jackalope says:

      I can’t believe that there isn’t a 10mm carbine out there. Seems like a natural. Glock mags make it real easy.

      1. avatar SKNR says:

        I believe Hi-point is making one…

    6. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      I am wondering if Ruger implemented that giant magazine well so that they could offer this in .44 Magnum or maybe even .454 Casull. Why else would they have such a huge magazine well compared to the size of a double-stack 9mm magazine?

      If this is true, it would also explain why it weighs almost 7 pounds.

      1. avatar John DeGroff says:

        A blowback 44 Magnum? A blowback 454 Casull? Sure but never going to happen how would you do that. Put a 15 pound weight back there?

    7. avatar Ricanmd says:

      YES!!!! My thoughts exactly.

  5. avatar Asdf says:

    Ruger has been knocking it out of the park recently. It’s almost like they’re listening to their customers or something.

    1. avatar Jeff K says:

      One thing Ruger is known for is actually LISTENING to their customers; no one else does it better.

  6. avatar Shire-man says:

    I’d rather have a Sub2K but Ruger will surely be able to pump out more of these in one month than Keltec has been able to produce Sub2K’s in the last 10 years.

    1. avatar Manse Jolly says:

      Why do you prefer the sub2000?

      curious as I am in the market for a carbine.

      1. avatar Swarf says:

        It’s rare and tacticool? Just a guess.

        1. avatar Shire-man says:

          This. Plus it folds up and fits into a regular backpack and I already have a ton of Glock and Beretta mags.
          I expect aftermarket support to be pretty good eventually for this Ruger including tacticool stocks and whatnot.

          And I still carry an irrational hatred for Bill Ruger. I know, I know, we all make mistakes and it’s been a long time but damn the 90’s, the AWB, the Clintons and a whole lot of the getalong gang just burned a deep, dark hatred into my soul that I can’t let go of.

        2. avatar Slick says:

          In case you missed it, these ship with an additional mag well that accepts Glock mags.

        3. avatar BLoving says:

          1. This rifle breaks down too, not as small but still…
          2. Bill Ruger is dead. Bill Jr. is a far more shrewd businessman than his old man was and even he isn’t calling all the shots there anymore.
          🤠

      2. avatar uncommon_sense says:

        Manse Jolly,

        Recent (at least the last 6 years or so of production) Kel-Tec SUB-2000 carbines are supposed to be incredibly reliable and eat any/all types of ammunition for their caliber.

        They are hinged in the middle and fold to fit into a 1.5 inch x 9 inch x 16 inch space — meaning they fit nicely in a notebook computer bag. And all you have to do to shoot one is fold it open until it locks itself into place. Thus, it takes you all off two seconds to take one out of a bag and begin shooting.

        They are quite accurate as well. With minimal practice, you should be able to hit an 8-inch gong at least 8 out of 10 shots at 100 yards.

        You can get different models that accommodate some common magazines, such as Glock, Smith and Wesson M&P pistols, and Baretta pistols.

        They only weigh about four pounds.

        And you might, just might be able to purchase one for $400.

      3. avatar int19h says:

        Sub-2000 is like 3 pounds less weight.

    2. avatar Joe in San Antonio says:

      I have a sub 2k gen 2 , I love the concept however I imagine I will be trading it in for one of these. The sub 2k is tough to shoot for a left handed( I heard tell of a mythical left handed design but could not find) the blow back spits out a lot of carbon onto the face which is made worse by the “unique” cheek weld the the 2k forces you to take up. The fire controls on the 2k are not hard but different then any firearm in my collection. Ruger has been hitting homeruns lately.

      1. avatar VictorLouis says:

        Joe,

        Thanks for answering this for the port-side community! Now, I know not to waste money on a KT, regardless of how nifty it is.

      2. avatar MagnumSteele says:

        Take a closer look. The charging handle and mag release appear reversible but the ejection port is not and prob not the safety either. This comming from a lefty with enough aftermarket parts in my 10/22 takedown to keep volquartsen and kidd in business. Still dosent prevent brass from flying in the face, not to mention it working well out of the box without the above mentioned tweaking, heck still cant get bx25 mags they made for the rifle to seat propperly without duct tape, wonder how the glock magwell adapters going to work? Don’t mean to hate on ruger, just skeptical until the final tests are out. In the meantime I’ll continue to pine over ciappa’s 1892 lever action takedown alaskan rifle in 44 mag. Top ports are defn southpaw friendly now only if i had 1200 bucks to spare.

      3. avatar PWinKY says:

        I have a gen 1 sub2k. The cheek weld sucks and the sights suck and it feels cheap (because it is) and every now and then I get an FTE. I don’t trust it for self defense and so it just sits in my safe now. Totally useless to me.

      4. avatar Jim says:

        According to a youtube video review I watched, this appears to have a fair amount of gas blow back for lefties as well. Specifically mentioned by a left handed reviewer.

    3. avatar doesky2 says:

      Yet another PCC release where you just know there is a contingent of Glock engineers that are rooting for the demise of old man Glock so they can make their wonder polymer PCC.

      They would have to rent some extra dump trucks to haul away the incoming money.

  7. avatar Jonathan-Houston says:

    Well, acquiring this one may just push me over the top in the media’s eyes from having a cache of arms, to maintaining a stockpile of weapons–or is that the other way around–but I have to have it.

  8. avatar Muhammad says:

    I will definitely buy one of these, was getting tired of the same old stuff out there.

    Glad Ruger is still innovating, aside from the Trump effect, we are getting a little bored, and need new stuff, thank you Ruger.

    1. avatar VerendusAudeo says:

      Let’s not give them too much credit here. They’re just bringing back a product that they discontinued back in 2007. Some accountant probably saw that PC9s are going for over $1000 on Gunbroker and popped a chub.

      1. avatar DrewR says:

        I was thinking the same thing, and lamenting the fact the stock doesn’t look as well designed when I saw that it was a takedown. That just may make it the Sub 2k killer.

  9. avatar Andrew Lias says:

    If this performs as well as its feature set is laid out we have a winner here.

  10. avatar Mr.Savage says:

    I think it looks like a mini 14, but with a 10/22 take down twist, good looking rifle and I’ll be looking for one after I get the two off layaway I’m currently buying, only $1000 to go!

  11. avatar dph says:

    On their website they talk about the trigger having 10/22 components, hopefully it’s a BX trigger , not the standard 10/22 trigger.

  12. avatar PeterK says:

    Well finally. Amirite!?

  13. avatar ATFAgentBob says:

    This thing would be awesome in 22TCM. Hopefully they add some calibers after they establish the 9mm version. Stuff like 10mm, 45ACP, 357 Sig, 22TCM (duh), 40, and anything else they can get it to run reliably.

    1. avatar Reef Blastbody says:

      Yes to 9MM, 10MM and .22TCM. The Glock, SR and American magazine adapters (and presumably others like the Para doublestacks that the RIA Tac Ultra 9MM/.22TCM guns use) will follow up right quick.

      I predict Ruger will sell a ton of these.

    2. avatar Jeff O. says:

      .22 TCM would be just a barrel change, wouldn’t it? And since it’s a takedown barrel that would be awesome.

  14. avatar jwm says:

    It’s been several years since I bought a firearm. This could well replace my trusted shotgun as a home defense weapon.

    I’m not getting any younger. A modern take on the m1 carbine might be just the ticket.

    1. avatar Blkojo says:

      Good rationale.

  15. avatar Snatchums says:

    Says that it ships with an SR9/Security 9 magwell. I’m inferring that means the Security 9 uses SR magazines.

    I kinda really want this.

  16. avatar Jack says:

    Aftermarket stock that will take a pistol brace, short barrel, suppressor, 33 round mag, yes please!!!

  17. avatar Steve says:

    I have a Ruger Model 44 carbine in .44 mag and I love it. My only quibble is it only holds 4 rounds.

    So here’s hoping Ruger releases this in other calibers, eventually a .44 mag or even a 10 mm would be great.

    1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      +1

  18. avatar TruthTellers says:

    It’s been proven that pistol carbines with magazines not in the pistol grip are fails. The old Ruger Police carbine and the Marlin Camp Carbine were discontinued and have been out of production for a long time for a reason.

    I like that this is a takedown, has the threaded barrel, rails, can accept a BX-25 trigger, etc., but it’s not going to make me give up my Sub 2000. If Ruger comes out with a 10mm version, then they’ll have my attention.

    1. avatar Zhang says:

      “It’s been proven that pistol carbines with magazines not in the pistol grip are fails. The old Ruger Police carbine and the Marlin Camp Carbine were discontinued and have been out of production for a long time for a reason.”

      Possibly. But remember that the Camp died in 1999, and the Police Carbine died in 2006. How much of that was because of the Clinton Assault Weapons Ban, and the North Hollywood shootout spiking police interest in .223 rifles instead of PCCs, though?

    2. avatar JasonM says:

      It’s been proven that pistol carbines with magazines not in the pistol grip are fails.

      Where is this proof? The CZ Scorpion is selling quite well, and is a very functional PCC. And don’t forget about the Sig MPX and the dozens of AR style PCCs available.

    3. avatar Mark N. says:

      This configuration is legal here in California. A pistol grip would turn it into a deadly “assault weapon.”

      1. avatar Mark H says:

        What about the threaded muzzle?

        (I escaped from Cali 20 years ago and it’s very hard to keep track from out of state)

        1. avatar TimH says:

          There’s a non-threaded version too.

    4. avatar William C. Montgomery says:

      “It’s been proven that pistol carbines with magazines not in the pistol grip are fails.”

      Uhhh… what about the Tommy Gun, “Schmeisser” MP 40, H&K MP5, Sten Marks, etc? There are literally scores of battle proven pistol cartridge guns with magazines not in the grip that are or have been in use by militaries and police forces around the world.

  19. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

    Meh, I’ll pass. 9 mm isn’t much more powerful from a 16″ bar rel than a 4 or 5″. They could at least feed the mag up the pis tol grip to make it more compact than a lev er g un that’s way more powerful.

    1. avatar BLoving says:

      If it takes off well enough to expand the line to .45acp, I may consider one as an East Texas brush gun.
      🤠

      1. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

        Second on my list is a lever-gun preferably in .357, so that makes it a choice between Henry and Henry.

        1. avatar Tim says:

          Before you H8(!), consider the Rossi m92. I think their QC has improved in recent years. Mine cycles all 357 & 38 flawlessly. I love it.

        2. avatar Jeff O. says:

          Those .357 and .44 Magnum Rossi lever guns are a hoot.

          I’ve shot both and they’re slick little guns.

        3. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

          Rossi quit making the R92 in everything but .45 Colt.

        4. avatar dph says:

          This is from the Rossi website in the description of the R92. “The Rossi R92 Round Barrel delivers shorter, lighter versions of their big brothers with 16 or 20 carbine models. Available in .38/.357, .44 Mag., .45 Colt, .44-40 Win and .454 Casull. The R92 Round Barrel comes in two finish options – Blue and Stainless. All R92 Round Barrel models feature crescent buttplates and an extended front sight.”
          So I’m not sure what they make.

        5. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

          I had heard they quit making the .357 a while ago, but I hadn’t heard anything about the .44. However, I checked GunWatcher and they couldn’t find a single one in either cal iber, then I checked GunBroker and there were some (new) available in .44 and none in .357. GunWatcher listed two as ‘recently sold’ in .357 and they were both 10 months ago and both brought prices that I could get the Henry for. So if you really want one in .44 I’d suggest you shake out your piggy bank now and get on it.

          They also quit making the Ranch Hand (mare’s leg) btw.

    2. avatar Deep Sea says:

      It depends on the grain of bullet you’re using. 147 grain tends to have the same ballistics out of a handgun and carbine. Going lighter (115 grain) really steps it up. More propellant, better burn, it’s not unusual to gain 200fps. That means more energy and expansion. Using really light fmj should defeat most level II-A and II armor–plenty of difference.

      http://ballisticsbytheinch.com/9luger.html

      1. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

        True, a heavier bul let suffers less from a short bar rel than a lighter one because it spends more time in the shorter bar rel. However, if you look at those numbers, the regular Federal 115gr load is still only pumping out 428ft/lbs out of a 16″ and the Corbon +p 115gr is still only 522ft/lbs. Contrast that to a .357 magnum, the neutered factory loads get 900+ft/lbs and the hot (not +p) loads get 1200+ft/lbs out of a 16″. Plus that 115gr. bul let is designed for velocities in the 1100-1200fps range and might become frangible at 1400fps.

        The 10mm might be an interesting compromise, the Buffalo Bore 180gr HP (you’ll want the heavier bul let for the higher velocities) clocks in at 989ft/lbs.

        1. avatar Jeff K says:

          158 gr JSP or JHP’s from my Ruger 77/357 hit VERY HARD. The decimation done to targets 50 yards away are impressive, plus if i want to hit a dime size object I can (Redfield 2-7 scope). Still would like a semi auto .357 rifle.

        2. avatar Mike says:

          I got a .40 handload pushing 900 ft lbs out of a 16 inch carbine. I imagine Ruger will also make this gun in .40 so the load should be transferable. Unless they give it a short throat. I load my bullets long to get that kind of power out of a .40.

  20. avatar USMCCPL says:

    How is this different than Ruger’s discontinued PC9 and PC40?

    1. avatar Zhang says:

      It’s a takedown, it can take Glock mags, it has a reversible mag release & charging handle, and it’s not being 90% marketed to police departments.

      1. avatar Specialist38 says:

        Agreed. Rufer did not advertise the PC9 and 40 to normal humans.

        Bit em in the ass as citizens buy a shitload of guns.

        I saw two at gun shows (while they were being produced) marked above MSRP.

        I saw ome a couple of years ago at a gun show…..in 40.

        Police turn in…..looked like the used it as a breaching tool …without bullets.

        This one looks ok and the take down is a plus.

    2. avatar Stinkeye says:

      You’ll be able to buy one in a store.

  21. avatar Swarf says:

    Well shit. They’ve finally released something I can’t resist.

    There’s been plenty of stuff I *liked* but this… I have to have it.

    If they make it for SR9 mags, that is.

    Edit: guess who didn’t read to the bottom before commenting?

    1. avatar jwm says:

      🙂 .. again.

  22. avatar Jeff O. says:

    Oooh! Yes please!

    I want it and I want it now!

  23. avatar Fit2BTyed says:

    I’m wondering if it will be available for sale in the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia. I was interested in the Chiappa M1 9mm Carbine until I started reading the crummy reviews. I want one. I really want one.

    1. avatar Mark N. says:

      In this configuration, it is “featureless” and therefore not an illegal “assault weapon.” It therefore should be perfectly legal.

  24. avatar Timmer says:

    If Magpul were to make a stock for this like the 10/22 backpacker, it would be perfect.

    1. avatar tsbhoa.p.jr says:

      davidson’s will have that version as an exclusive.

  25. avatar Swarf says:

    “The PC Carbine ships with the SR-Series / Security-9® magazine well installed ”

    The way that’s phrased makes me thing the Security9 takes SR mags, is that true?

    Dammit Ruger. I do have other bills, you know.

  26. avatar tdiinva says:

    Why not chamber it in 30 caliber carbine instead of a pistol caliber.? The M-1 carbine reinvented.

    1. avatar ATFAgentBob says:

      Because Inland already does that.

      1. avatar tdiinva says:

        Yeah but I want something that works.

        1. avatar ATFAgentBob says:

          Why you gotta be so damn hard to please? Just take the crappy overpriced knockoff m1 and be happy or spend a fortune getting an old WWII issued piece. Be glad we don’t make you buy only H&K guns.

        2. avatar DrewN says:

          LOL. I bought one from GOG one night after too many beers and promptly forgot all about it. The FFL gives me a call like 8 months later when they do their year end audit. I’ve put maybe 1k rounds of Armscor through it and it’s been ok. Not the best shooting carbine, not the worst. Costs too much for sure.

    2. avatar jwm says:

      9mm is cheap and plentiful.

    3. avatar TruthTellers says:

      Cuz .30 Carbine is dead, .327 is where it’s at brah.

      Ask Ruger to make one of these carbines with a tubular magazine and offer them in .327, .357, and .44 Magnum. It’s time Ruger started making a modern 44 Carbine.

      1. avatar tdiinva says:

        30 caliber carbine is tbe best personal defense round ever made. Can’t be any better than perfect. Tubular magazines went out in the 1880s.

  27. avatar craig says:

    or you could just buy a beretta cx4 storm that has been out like 9 years

    1. avatar Ken says:

      Love mine in 45 acp. Handy-dandy, under appreciated little guns. Too bad the 45 version is no longer imported. I think they would have done better if factory hi-caps were available.

    2. avatar Mark N. says:

      The Beretta is not legal in California. I wanted one, but no can buy.

    3. avatar Specialist38 says:

      But this one takes my SR 9 mags

  28. avatar johnny go lightly says:

    Not in New Yorkistan … threaded muzzle.

    1. avatar Snatchums says:

      There is a model that ships w/o a threaded barrel and 10 round magazines.

  29. avatar TexasLaw says:

    Okay. Now I want the Security-9 and one of these to go with it.

  30. avatar BobS says:

    May we safely anticipate Ruger will soon announce a 9mm integrally suppressed barrel section, as they offer for the 10/22 Takedown rifle (http://ruger.com/micros/silent-sr-ISB)?

    Ruger will have to compete with the (aren’t they announced yet?) 9mm Takedown offerings from TBA, Innovative Arms, KGMADE, etc.

    1. avatar Geoff PR says:

      I sure hope so…

  31. avatar Jonathan M Cordova says:

    I wonder if this will accept the P series magazines?

    1. avatar BLoving says:

      Nope. The ill fated PC9 and PC40 did. The P-series is dead… we need to get over it.

  32. avatar Jerrick says:

    This is the most exciting firearm I have seen in quite some time. Nice job, Ruger!

  33. avatar Specialist38 says:

    I have been waiting for this….it is about time.

    Wish they had made it look more like the original PC carbine.

    I will still buy one to use my SR magazines.

    Thanks for listening Ruger even if yiu did take your sweet time.

    1. avatar Jeff O. says:

      I know, right?! When I bought my SR9 years ago when that series came out I really wanted them to make this.

      And now 7 years later I can’t wait to get one!

      1. avatar Specialist38 says:

        Like having 2 Christmases

  34. avatar Broc says:

    This will sell like hot cakes in Cali. No “evil features” like a pistol grip. The blow-back system (short throw) and short cartridge is so it’ll all fit in front of the “wrist” in the traditional rifle stock config. Good thinking on Ruger’s part 😀

  35. avatar Squiggy81 says:

    I’ll be a buyer. Throw a silencer on the end and pair it up with a Glock 33 round mag and that’s a recipe for a good time that doesn’t break the bank. Unlike the carbines from HiPoint, it doesn’t make me gag when I look at it either. Sub2k is nice, but I don’t like the location of the charging handle or how hard it is to pull back. Didn’t have good luck with the only KelTec that I’ve owned either.
    Hopefully .40 and .45 versions are coming soon…

    1. avatar doesky2 says:

      The S2K charging handle is the showstopper for most women.

  36. avatar Larry says:

    NY is good to go, as Ruger makes a non threaded one to . PC stands for politicaly correct as well….. should be a big seller here .

  37. avatar Jason says:

    A Magpul backpacker stock for the PC Carbine and Beretta magwell from Ruger and I’m in!! No one’s been as innovative as Ruger recently!

  38. avatar Loofa says:

    Wonder how this compares to the Beretta CX4 Storm? Almost bought one but hated the trigger. Ended up with an AR-9 pistol that takes Glock mags, which I love.

  39. avatar aircooled says:

    Maybe now I’ll be able to find an original PC9 for less that $1000

    1. avatar Specialist38 says:

      Good luck….if you find one for less than 750 it looks like hammered dog crap.

  40. avatar Lucas D. says:

    Hell. Yes. I’m gonna get one, and I’m gonna name it Mr. Plinkett.

  41. avatar Prepperdaddy says:

    ANOTHER 9mm carbine, big deal! I will keep my Berreta CX4. I would get VERY excited about a AR platform 10mm using Glock mags with an X-products 50 round drum mag, put me down for 2 Of those!

  42. avatar Mark N. says:

    Not to pick too many nits, but the fore end is hideous, and the peep sight is waaay too far forward. It should mount to the rail.

    And here’s hoping for some other calibers. 9 mm is good for a 50 yard plinker, but 10 mm or .357 Sig would have greater range and power. (I would think that rimmed cartridges would require one of Ruger’s rotary magazines, and thus have only a 4 or 5 round capacity, plus would require a redesign of the whole mag well.)

    1. avatar PROUD chicano says:

      Ruger knows that a buyer in going to throw a red dot on it anyways. All in all I like it. Now watch S&W follow up with a copy that takes shield mags.

      1. avatar dph says:

        Who want a S&W that takes Shield mags? I want more than 8 rounds.

    2. avatar Swarf says:

      This puts both sites on the takedown barrel to reduce potential “return to zero” issues.

    3. avatar MojoRonin says:

      The rear sight, like the 10/22 takedown, is attached to the barrel so the sights stay “on” after removing and later re-affixing the barrel

  43. avatar Jeffro says:

    That thing is as ugly as home made sin! Yet, it is growing on me. Kinda like an ugly woman that can cook. This will go onto the ‘for further consideration’ list.

    1. avatar Dave Lewis says:

      Nothing wrong with an appearance challenged women who can cook. At my age a good meal is always appreciated and it’s all the same in the dark anyway.

  44. avatar Schwermetall says:

    Make it in 44 magnum and I’ll buy one. 10mm and I’ll buy one. 9mm, yawn, not buying one.

    1. avatar Jeff O. says:

      Ooh. A. 44 Magnum version that uses the same magazine the 77/44 would be neat.

      Depending on the strength of the action and magwell size a 10mm version could be as simple as a barrel and magwell change.

  45. avatar Davis Thompson says:

    Does it come in .9mm? You know, for journalists.

  46. avatar Mark H says:

    I’ll take mine in .45 acp please.

  47. avatar Keith says:

    How about making it compatible with the P series mags , waaaay more of those out there than the 2 new models combined, and not everyone has jumped on the polymer/ striker bandwagon and still use the older pistols regularly

  48. avatar former water walker says:

    Not really interested in a 9mm rifle. But I like how Ruger is stepping up to the plate. I may get the new EC9s and mebbe the Security 9. Oh and it’s American…

  49. avatar Frank in VA says:

    I’m going to go ahead and claim full responsibility for this, ( even though I had nothing to do with it), because this is just what I asked for in my ‘Dear Ruger’ post below the last TTAG article on Ruger’s quarterly earnings.

  50. avatar Stephen J says:

    If they start making Beretta 92 mag wells then I’m in for one.

  51. avatar Yves says:

    If they just made one with an 18.5″ barrel, there would be a whole market in Canada….
    Anything below that is Restricted and can’t be taken out regularly.
    Hope that it is coming soon

    1. avatar SouthernPhantom says:

      Ten-round magazines in a takedown centerfire semiauto…not a bad option at all for y’all in the Frozen North.

      1. avatar Yves says:

        yeah, but can’t take it anywhere except the gun range and need a special permit. I’d love to go hunting with it, but I can’t unless the barrel is 18.5″

  52. avatar Badwolf says:

    Over 10″ barrel? Check. Threaded? Check. Takedown? Check. Takes glock mags? Check. Below $650? Check.

    5 out of 5. Im definitely interested. I hope its reliable with all kinds of ammo. Im concerned about the mag adaptor, seems like a failure point to me. I wish it took glock mags only.

  53. avatar MojoRonin says:

    Non takedown and magpul furniture version, please!

  54. avatar epickett says:

    I’m *so* tempted to get this. It looks pretty cool! But I already have a Sub-2000(9mm & .40) AND a FX-9. Not sure I can justify spending $650 on another PCC…

  55. avatar dakota281 says:

    Good job again from Ruger. They’re on a roll lately! I’m confident this will be better than the Chiappa M1-9. If so, I’ll be seriously considering one of these. I’m in the market for a pistol caliber carbine and if it turns out to be a solid gun, I’ll probably pick this one up. If its a stinker though I’ll have to go with my original choice of a 77/357.. Looking forward to the full review!

    1. avatar Jeff K says:

      Have the 77/357, an absolutely great gun. It will shoot 6 different brands/types of .357’s to same POI without scope adjustment and hit dime size objects from 50 yards (and I mean on 1st try).

      1. avatar dakota281 says:

        I’ve been looking at them for a while now! They are nicely built rifles, I absolutely love the 77 action. The only thing keeping me from jumping at one is the price. Just a bit steep for what it is I think. The PC Carbine has further delayed my decision, but the more I think about the PC, the less I think I like it. I would honestly prefer a non-takedown version of it. No doubt Ruger has different versions of in the pipeline already though.

  56. avatar Cog357 says:

    This is a copy of the pc9 and 40 made back in the 80’s and using p-85 mags

  57. avatar Tim says:

    Why is this chambered in 9mm Ruger ? Instead of .40 S&W or 357sig… I mean comon? How can anyone take this weirdo gun seriously??? Leave it to Ruger to create a weaker calibered “tactical” 9mm semi auto Duke Nukem toy looking gun with less bite power than a doberman. Who in the hell would use this? Up the caliber to a higher velocity .40S&W and 357sig and it increases the usefulness of this type of gun tremendously. Until then blargh and bah hambug.

    1. avatar TimH says:

      Because 9×19 is cheap (17c for steel) for those of us who don’t reload, and like to target shoot a rifle with the same centrefire ammo and mags as the handgun.

  58. avatar D man says:

    The receiver on the old PC4 and pc9 were steal . this New one appears to be aluminum With my PC four and a hot load behind 155 grain gold dot generates 1550 ft./s

  59. avatar Brian says:

    First, this is a Marlin Camp Carbine killer! If Marlin had any thought of bringing back the Camp Carbine they just thru all of it in the trash.

    Second, If they get around to making one in 45 Acp I will buy one maybe two.

    I have been kicking around the idea of a pistol caliber carbine like forever. Narrowed it down to a Marlin Camp Carbine in 45 acp and a Keltec Sub2000 in 9mm. The MCC is too expensive and somewhat fragile, the Sub2000 is 9mm only and has some issues.

    1. avatar Matt in SC says:

      “the Sub2000 is 9mm only”
      They come in .40 as well. My Gen 1 has some feeding issues. My Gen 2 has been pretty reliable. Both are in .40

      1. avatar epickett says:

        I have a 9mm and a .40, both Gen 2. The 9mm eats everything I’ve fed it so far. The .40 chokes on Remington ammo. 🙁 It seems to like Winchester, though.

  60. avatar Steven G Luschen says:

    I hope this rerelease is successful, they seem to have improved everything from the original pc9 and pc4.

  61. avatar Jay Goforth says:

    I’ll just keep my Hi-Point 995ts and the $300 I saved not buying the Ruger, and put the $300 I saved towards the 1095 ts. My 995ts has flawlessly fed, shot, and ejected every 9mm round I’ve purchased. If you don’t have a 9mm carbine and $600, give the Ruger a try. Otherwise, take a look at the Hi-Point 995ts.

  62. avatar D man says:

    Gun blast on YouTube just did a review of this rifle along with where you can purchase one already

  63. avatar RandallOfLegend says:

    Sell it in Farty with the SR series magazine capability and I am sold immediately.

  64. avatar Pete says:

    I’d like to see what the reliability is like. Making the bolt travel shorter is not an advantage in reliability – it is a detriment in most cases. The original Ruger PC9 was exceptionally reliable (especially when compared to Marlin Camp), but it had most of the reciprocating mass under the barrel, which prevented a takedown option.

  65. avatar =BCE56= says:

    Pistol caliber carbines fill a legitimate niche, expanding the utility of handgun cartridges. With that in mind the popular and inexpensive 9mm is a decent choice for a PCC- especially if one owns 9mm pistols. I imagine Ruger will release this carbine in other calibers in the future.
    It appears Ruger has put considerable thought in this project. As with the brilliant and unexpected takedown 10-22, they may have a winner here. But it is kinda ugly.
    .
    My PCC is a Winchester Trapper in .357. It is solid, lightweight, compact and dependable, and chambering is common to revolvers. Using the factory irons it is accurate to the effective range of the cartridge. Various aftermarket sight options are available, and action work is relatively straightforward. Magazine capacity is adequate, though reloading is a bit tedious.
    But: with no protruding mag, and no “evil” features it is unlikely to be mistaken for an “assault rifle”. Well, maybe in Cali…
    .

    For those who may want to slick up a levergun:
    http://www.leverguns.com/articles/Trapper.html

    Wide choice of calibers conversions for Marlin leverguns:
    http://www.rangerpointprecision.com/single-post/2015/05/09/Marlin-1894-Pistol-Caliber-Carbine-Conversions-10MM-40SW-45ACP-357SIG

  66. avatar Susie Q says:

    OK, what are the “lines” on the stock for? A cheek pad?

  67. avatar Dirk Diggler says:

    I wonder if a caliber change is as simple as a fore end swap? Fingers crossed!!!! Ruger would make a killing.

  68. avatar Mikial says:

    Ruger had a nice 9mm carbine a few years ago. The one we had used the same mags as our Ruger P89 handgun mags and shot great. My Ex got it in the divorce settlement, so this is a great chance to get the new model.

  69. avatar Daniel Scipione says:

    10mm, 10mm, 10mm…

    It has the power to be effective on lots of game at 50 yards. This will be best as an open sighted or red dot firearm. At 50 yards, anything though iron sights starts to look pretty small, and even at 25 yards you need to have a good steady hand and trigger technique. Past 50 yards I have better alternatives.

    A 10mm G22 magazine would make a dandy medium game round. It can be loaded up to 1000 FPE in a rifle and the rimless round should feed a lot better than a .357. or .44 mag. , even though both the .357 and .44 mag make more energy in a rifle. The .41 mag would be the best in terms of power, but that’s not likely. Rimmed rounds like the .357, .41 mag, and .44 mag are best in a lever gun.

    This semi auto will sell great in 9mm. Adding other rimless rounds will only make it sell better. The Sub 2000 is in 9mm and .40 S&W because they only had to make minimum changes to accommodate the .40 ( barrel, bolt face ), I think a .40 is more likely soonest. A 10mm or .45 acp will require a different set of designs, but it would be an immediate sale, for me. ( and I am sure 1000’s of others. Are you listening Ruger? )

    D

  70. avatar Matthew H Wisniewski says:

    I just purchased a used Ruger PC4 in .40 caliber and it’s incredible. I believe that in states like CT, MA, CA, NJ or NY, this new version will be the go-to gun. Ruger is a front-runner in innovation, and they will follow this one up with (?) .40 caliber, .45 ACP. CDR Ski

  71. avatar Bobby Edwards says:

    I want on when will they hit the stores also wish they made it in 44 mag to go with my Ruger 44 mag Deerfield carbine,and my 44 mag super blackjack,my Ruger security 6 in 357 mag,my Ruger lc9 NRA addition and Ruger 10-22

  72. avatar Tom Arnold says:

    I have been planning to buy first gun.. primarily for home defense. I like the idea of PCC’s and was leaning to the CZ Scorpion. I am also considering a 20gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun. I am still uncertain which would be best.

    I am very intrigued by this Ruger PC Carbine. It is about same price as the Mossberg and half the Scorpion and it does not sound like I would need to make any modifications.

    I know it is opinion but……. what are you “experts” opinions on the PCC vs the shotun, and of this Ruger PCC vs the Scorpion?

    Thank you!

  73. avatar Barry Luke says:

    wow, I’m in

  74. avatar Barry Luke says:

    I’m in.

  75. avatar Lhstr says:

    ‘m in

  76. avatar Ed Magargee says:

    I have the PC-4 Police trade-in. I like the weight of the gun it feels sturdy and substantial in your hands. I use it with a red dot and at 25 yards it keeps them in the red. It is a simple design that is similar to the 10/22, and the fact that it doesn’t look like something from Star Wars is a plus for me. I do feel the desire to pick up one of the new release models.. It has every update that I often discussed with friends while shooting the older model.

    1. avatar Lhstr says:

      I am going to buy a 50 rd. drum mag. for it. Carbine hides in my spare tire well in trunk. all ready for any kind of SHTF stuff….

  77. avatar John says:

    I got mine yesterday and took it too the range as soon as I could. It does have some kick to it, but I’m very pleased so far. I’m old and my eyesight isn’t the best, so I now have an inexpensive multi Scope/Red Dot/Laser mounted on it, but have not tried it yet. I had to buy it off of Gunbroker because it just doesn’t seem to be in stock anywhere else.

    1. avatar Lhstr says:

      Love mine, well made shoots all three of my 9mms. wish they made a larger caliber too. I have a Kel-Tec 40 cal. and not near the gun as the Ruger is..

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