Weekend Digest: The Chicago Way Edition

georgiacarry.orgTwo weeks ago, a Georgia bill that would have allowed concealed carry on public university campuses finally failed, after languishing in limbo for more than a year. But those who supported it haven’t given up the fight, not by a long shot. Rep. Rick Jasperse has introduced and sponsored HB 875 which would simply decriminalize concealed carry on campus entirely. Under the terms of the bill, licensed carriers found to be carrying on campus would no longer be subject to arrest, but only face a civil fine of up to $100. The bill would also. . .

lift the existing prohibition on concealed carry in bars and houses of worship. Both establishments would be able to prohibit weaponry if they chose to, but it would be a criminal trespass matter, not a firearms violation. The bill passed out of Committee on a voice vote, and will be considered by the full House soon.

A high-ranking leader in the Chicago Latin Kings gang wants to carry a concealed firearm, and he filed an application to do so. He already has a FOID, which allows him to own a gun. He’s legally allowed to have it because he has no felonies on his record. However, his application for a carry permit is being held up because the Cook County Sheriff’s office is allowed to file an objection any time they believe an applicant poses a public safety threat. Now, the gang leader’s record does have a dozen arrests on such charges as aggravated assault, burglary, and failure to register a firearm, but he has no convictions. So there is nothing that legally prohibits his permit from being approved. Except that someone “has a funny feeling.” Capricious application of a subjective standard is an awesome thing, innit?

Guess I’m gonna have to find a new place to get my tires rotated. There’s always been a sign behind the counter, but it was mostly hidden by the laser printer it was tucked behind, and this is Florida, so I ignored it. I was there on Thursday, and the sticker on the window is new.

courtesy Matt in FL

Good thing I was carrying my SIG P238 and not a revolver. Dodged a bullet there.

Meet the GATOR Shotgun Spreader. It’s not a new concept; apparently it was used by the Navy SEALs in Vietnam, but was prone to fracturing after heavy use. Now Paradigm SRP has re-engineered the design, and well, here you go. They’re getting a couple hundred bucks for them over at Paradigm SRP. [h/t ENDO]

A bill designed to stop overreactions under academic zero-tolerance weapon policies passed out of a Florida state House panel Wednesday. The bill would bar school districts from suspending students for “brandishing a partially consumed pastry or other food item” bitten into the shape of a weapon or “possessing a toy firearm or weapon made of plastic snap-together building blocks.” The bill is sponsored by Rep. Dennis Baxley, R-Ocala, who refers to it as the “Pop-Tart bill.” Several other states, including Maryland and Oklahoma, have introduced similar legislation, designed to return some discretion to school administrators in petty matters.

Not even going to try and explain it.

The weekend long-form video this week (as in many weeks) is from Hickok45. He finally got a KRISS Vector out to the compound, and he takes it for a spin.

Nice to know even he messes up and forgets to chamber a round once in a while.


  1. avatar shawn says:

    But he is protected by the 2A & should be allowed to carry. Right?

    1. avatar Matt in FL says:

      That was more or less my point. If he lived here in Florida, or most other states that allow concealed carry, this would not be an issue. But in Chicago, they do it their way.

      1. avatar tdiinva says:

        I guess he should be issued a permit until he is convicted of tax evasion.

        1. avatar Excedrine says:

          That is how Al Capone got got, after all.

    2. avatar Cliff H says:

      Do you really think that if Cook County manages to find a way to deny his permit to exercise his natural, civil and Constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms that will be the end of it? He WILL carry arms, CCW or not. And if you run into him in Chicago someday you will not know whether or not he is carrying, even if he gets the permit.

      Value to you or any other law-abiding citizen of denying his CCW permit = ZERO.

      1. avatar Hannibal says:

        except that when he gets frisked and found with a gun, he goes to jail.

    3. avatar cubby123 says:

      No wrong he suppose to have his ass convicted and thrown in jail.We are proected by the 2a and should carry against aholes like him who get let out.

      1. avatar Chris Mallory says:

        Then the state of Illinois needs to prove a case to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt.

    4. avatar Ben says:

      He would just carry a gun anyway, permit or no. Given his priors, including “failing to register a firearm,” Chicago’s B.S. laws haven’t kept him from packing, just good, law-abiding people. Go ahead and keep pretending 2A infringement works.

    5. avatar Carry.45 says:

      The only extra hoop a gang member should have to jump through is an accuracy test. Make sure they’re hitting the other gang members they think they’re aiming at and not the innocent standing nearby.

    6. avatar tdiinva says:

      Here is the perfect example of what I was talking about in the Texas thread. You people cannot differentiate between the civil and constitutional rights of a law abiding citizen and the procedural rights granted to an outlaw. He should not be granted a CHL. Let him carry illegally if he wishes to. If he gets caught then send him away. Defending a known gang leader’s right to a CHL validates everything the gun grabbers say about the the gun rights community. Ever think the reason that he has never been convicted if because of fear on the part of witnesses? Do some of you think Al Capone was merely a tax cheat because he was never convicted of murder? For those who admire the way things were handled in the old west you should know that this character would be residing on boot hill.

      1. avatar Ralph says:

        Defending a known gang leader’s right to a CHL

        Known to who?

        When the cops have the unilateral right to decide who is or is not worthy of exercising a Constitutional right, that’s not “shall issue.” It’s not even American.

        1. avatar tdiinva says:

          Bull $**t. Spoken like a low life mafia defense attorney. Shall issues is not must issue. It means you can denied for good and sufficient reason like being part of the management structure of known criminal organization.


        2. avatar John L. says:

          Much as it makes me sick to do so, I agree with Ralph. (Sorry – it’s what I’m agreeing with, not whom.)

          The whole innocent-until-proven-guilty thing is part of the cloth that separates us from being a true, no-holds-barred police state. It’s right up there with free speech.

          You may not like the results in specific cases. But if you start making exceptions when you “know” it’s okay to do so, you’re starting dto head down the Teflon slip’n’slide.

  2. avatar cigr says:

    The Kriss Vector looks like fun to shoot, but that is one seriously ugly rifle.

    1. avatar Semper Why says:

      I have one. They’re heavy, but they don’t kick much. I’m not sure if its because of their weird action or if its because it’s a heavy-ass pistol. So far (about 300 rounds) it has been drop-dead reliable. I think its great that manufacturers are experimenting with firearms away from the standard actions.

      There are a few things I don’t like about it. Working the bolt is a PITA. The sights from the factory are way off at 15 feet. The side rails are a weird length and (surprise) only Kriss sells rails with the holes drilled at the appropriate points.

      On the positive side, it comes with place to mount a light into the gun (above the barrel – how weird is that?), it shoots a caliber I already have and it comes threaded for a brake/suppressor out of the box.

  3. avatar crashbbear says:

    The RIP ammo is as gimmicky as it gets, but I am interested in their forthcoming 12 gauge slugs.

    If I want some crazy spread out of a shotgun, I’ll throw buckshot out of a rifled barrel.

    Hickok45 once again can’t find a gun he doesn’t like, but then again I get the impression he thinks semi auto subguns and ar/ak/etc. pistols are pointless, which they are. Poor man’s SBR, maybe, but pointless none the less.

    1. avatar Excedrine says:

      Well, see, if that KRISS had a “Fun” switch, it’d be a whole different ball game. But, alas, that is only a pipe dream for the time being.

    2. avatar Dan A says:

      Hickock actually has done videos on guns he doesn’t particularly like. Heck he wasn’t fond of the G42 even though he’s a Glock fan, it’s just that usually he doesn’t want to bother with guns that he thinks aren’t any good in the first place.

      1. avatar SteveInCO says:

        He does make sure to mention bad things about guns when they become evident to him. He did so with the G42 and with the Nagant revolver. He does it so cheerily though that you get the impression he is more amused by it than appalled. (Which, maybe he is, who knows.) What he doesn’t do is go on to say “and because of that I hate this gun” or “and because of that it’s a piece of crap.” or pitch the thing downrange in a pique. I think he probably takes the attitude of “not for me but maybe it’s for thee” which is the correct attitude IMHO, but the point is he’s given you a good amount of info to make your own decision on whether the gun may be right for you.

  4. avatar mike123 says:

    GeorgiaCarry.Org never quits. We may fail to achieve the goal but we keep coming back.

    1. avatar Arnie says:

      Sounds effective.

  5. avatar greatUnknown says:

    “…designed to return some discretion to school administrators in petty matters.”

    Other than what bank to deposit their hefty checks in, school administrators don’t want discretion. That way, they never have to take blame for being stupid.

  6. avatar jwm says:

    That no gun sign at least shows some originality. Usually it’s just a glock in the slash circle. The mosin m44 not only removes the kebob, it cooks it with the muzle flash and seasons it with the corrosive salts from the ammo.

    I saw a guy on youtube put the bayonet on his 590 mossberg and then stuck a cabbage on the bayonet for removal. Fine cole slaw.

    1. avatar Mattv2099 says:

      Kebab has been removed.

  7. avatar Scott D. says:

    Chicago is going at it all wrong. They should let the gang member get a concealed carry permit. That way, when he breaks the law (which, judging by his past discretions, is only a matter of time) they can make an example of him. I can hear it know, “See. Concealed carry permit holders aren’t so law abiding. We need to repeal this law immediately and outlaw everything.”
    For the children, of course.

  8. avatar JeffR says:

    Now, Sheriff Dart wishes the state’s attorney actually did her job and, I dunno, prosecuted gang members instead of playing catch and release. But she didn’t. So this guy gets a permit. Only in Chicago.

    1. avatar thatoneguy says:

      But nothing in his laundry list of offenses was HIS fault. He was just a troubled yoot and had no other choice…once, twice, thrice, etc.

      1. avatar Matt in FL says:

        Well, to play devil’s advocate, it’s at least possible that some of the things he’s been arrested for, he didn’t actually do. I’m not saying he’s an angel, he’s probably pretty far from it, but when you’re in the position he’s in, you become part of “the usual suspects,” and you start getting arrested simply because you’re in the wrong place at the wrong time, near where something went down.

        1. avatar JeffR says:

          If it was anywhere but Chicago, I would be more sympathetic to that possibility. But with the political connections that gang leaders have here, I doubt that is it how it played out. But, in the end, no felony convictions, a man should get his permit. In Illinois, however, multiple arrests with no convictions can disqualify you. It’s almost like the legislators knew ….

        2. avatar Dirk Diggler says:

          If the paper wants to get to the truth, the paper should list who the gangbanger’s alderman is and how many times said alderman called the police or state’s attorney office to intervene on his behalf. Well know in chicago politics that alderman use gang bangers as part of their political machine. No violence in certain areas = get out of jail card. I am willing to bet there is an email leading to the tiny dancer

  9. avatar doesky2 says:

    Hickock45……I compared that $1600 Kriss video to the one he made with a $400 Keltec Sub2k and something tells me he’d grab the Keltec if his choice was down to those two and he had to be sure that it went bang when he pulled the switch.

    1. avatar jwm says:

      I saw a cutaway view of the KRISS once. It reminded me of the old Borchardt toggle link action. An action that was unreliable until it was cleaned up by Luger. If indeed it was based on the originol Borchardt then the internals on the KRISS are more than 114 years in the past.

      The 1911 design is nearly that old. But the 1911 design worked right from the beginning.

  10. avatar Tominator says:

    A high-ranking leader in the Chicago Latin Kings gang wants to carry a concealed firearm, and he filed an application to do so. He already has a FOID, which allows him to own a gun. He’s legally allowed to have it because he has no felonies on his record. However, his application for a carry permit is being held up because the Cook County Sheriff’s office is allowed to file an objection any time they believe an applicant poses a public safety threat. Now, the gang leader’s record does have a dozen arrests on such charges as aggravated assault, burglary, and failure to register a firearm, but he has no convictions. So there is nothing that legally prohibits his permit from being approved. Except that someone “has a funny feeling.” Capricious application of a subjective standard is an awesome thing, innit?

    The law is a finicky thang! Having enough money to get charges dismissed is not a reason to get a CCL! The guy should be in prison! ,,Just like many in the Obama administration…

  11. avatar Sam Spade says:

    “No Gun” signs don’t have the force of law here, but I still don’t do any business with places that don’t allow guns.

    Sometimes I don’t say anything. Sometimes I ask to see the manager and ask them why the no longer want my business–they nearly always have one of the standard excuses. But I always tell them I won’t return as long as the sign is still there. Don’t know if it’s ever done any good since I don’t ever check back.

    A friend told me last week that a place I used to go (a health food store) no longer bans guns, but the other places I found treated me fairly, so I don’t think I’ll abandon them.

    1. avatar Matt in FL says:

      If I told them I wasn’t coming back, they wouldn’t be too upset, I don’t think. I’ve thrown a few hundred dollars their way (my last set of tires, and a half shaft), but they see me far more often for free stuff like tire rotations.

      1. avatar Nigil says:

        The guy behind the counter won’t care, and the manager may not either. But it might be worth a letter to the regional manager about how you and your friends won’t be back. My brother spends about $100k a year at the local Sherwin Williams; when they put up a no-carry sign, he got pretty annoyed and called his rep.

      2. avatar Brandon says:

        As a mechanic, I’d be pissed if I found out that there was a sign driving customers away. Flat rate sucks.

      3. avatar Sam Spade says:

        Yea, I don’t expect them to change their minds just to satisfy me. That’s why I don’t always say something. I usually only speak to those that seem to be trying to do a good job, just to make sure they know they are driving away trade.

        I’ve found some pretty nice people by shopping around, though.

  12. avatar Dave says:

    Supporting the carrying of a firearm by a known, violent gang member?

    Stop smoking that crack!

    1. avatar B says:

      Then the DA’s need to do their jobs and get a conviction on him first. You know, that whole innocent until proven guilty thing. That whole process the government has to go through to deprive any person their god (or atheist equivalent) given rights. The whole fact that a government has no right to compel a citizen who has broken no laws to do anything against their will. That thing.

  13. avatar Nigil says:

    Unfortunately I have to disagree with the Chicago banger comment. For starters, it’s a statewide law which says that multiple arrests for gang related activity or violent crimes are reason to deny the application. More importantly, the only thing that Sheriff Dart can do is object, which kicks the app over to the review board (mine also got suggested for review, for very little reason). If the board denies you, you can appeal. So he and everyone else have a fair amount of recourse to prevent “may issue” politics.
    Also, Chicago has a pretty extensive history of not prosecuting or not convicting, especially for high ranking gang members. If someone has been arrested multiple times for gang offenses then it’s a 99% chance they’ve commited a felony.
    All that being said, I believe everyone has the right to defend themselves, and it’s entirely possible this guy just wants to prevent getting murdered while engaging in a what-should-be-legal weed business. Unfortunately we also live in a gray city where criminals often get off scot free, gangbangers regularly murder totally innocent people in cold blood, and this guy is almost certainly going to carry CCW or not. I probably would.

  14. avatar Dirk Diggler says:

    Now if we can only find a way to get the gangbanger on the MDA membership “rolls”.

  15. avatar former water walker says:

    I live in Cook. I can assure you Latin King is already packing. To all the a..holes who want him to be “legal” you need to get a clue.

    1. avatar Matt in FL says:

      Ah, that’s what I love about this place. Some disagrees with you, you’re instantly an asshole. I suppose it’s something that you didn’t call me a schmuck. Thanks, bud.

    2. avatar Marcus Aurelius says:

      It’s not about him, it’s about whether or not government officials can apply their will arbitrarily. Think of it this way, if this latin king gets a permit, so will the folks he tries to victimize later.

  16. avatar Russ Bixby says:

    Must try that kebab bit some time…

  17. avatar former water walker says:

    You’re welcome Matt!

  18. avatar former water walker says:

    BTW “schmuck”? I’m just a goy from Illinois who has never spoken that word.

    1. avatar Matt in FL says:

      Inside joke. A few months back I got “schmucked” by a guy over a very minor disagreement. It was very amusing.

      1. avatar tmm says:

        From how many angles can we see the kabob being removed? *I* feel like a schmuck.

        1. avatar Matt in FL says:

          I told you I wasn’t going to explain it. He makes me laugh. That is all.

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