Quote of the Day: I Don’t Think Natural Means What You Think It Means Edition

Run Big Horn! Run! (courtesy azstarnet.com)

“Game officials were not surprised this happened so quickly after the sheep were released in the Catalinas. Until a viable bighorn population is established there, any mountain lion that eats a sheep will be killed, ‘in an attempt to re-establish the natural order of things.'” Bighorns and mountain lions die [via azstarnet.com]


  1. avatar Soccerchainsaw says:

    Be sure that those sheep eating lions are shot with ‘non-lead’ ammo, in fact, stone age spears should work just fine….

  2. avatar Paul G. says:

    Those mountain lions just have to learn their place in the natural order, dontcha know?

  3. avatar tdiinva says:

    They just need to outlaw assault claws and limit the size and number of teeth.

  4. avatar KingSarc48265 says:

    And when the population is established, shoot the bighorns. They attract too many dangerous cats. Rinse and repeat.

  5. avatar GS650G says:

    There is no oxymoron quite like wildlife management.

    1. avatar I_Like_Pie says:

      I dunno….Tennessee’s TWRA has been one of the very few government programs that actually works quite well in doing what they set out to do. They are rightly credited for doing all sorts of things to improve the state and the wildlife that lives there.

      1. avatar scoutino says:

        And they are sure that what they set out to do is definitely the right thing to do, right?

    2. avatar Erik says:

      wildlife management has been wildly successful, white tail deer were on the verge of extinction in the 1910s and 20s before Pittman Robertson was passed, just one example.

      1. avatar Mina says:

        …. in other words, let’s continue to preferentially exterminate any predator that competes with us, in order to encourage the rampant proliferation of wildlife that we like to hunt.

        that’s been working out so very well so far. so, let’s do more.

        typical Liberal chant.

  6. avatar Brett M. says:

    Somehow, in Obama’s America, this makes sense.

    1. avatar Hank says:

      As it made sense in Carter’s, Reagan’s, Bush’s, Clinton’s, W’s…

      Whatever you think of it, it’s not like this is anything even remotely new, or unique to “Obama’s America”.

      1. avatar 2hotel9 says:

        Mr Farago, tried to respond directly to email, it refuses to go, so I will drop it here.

        Here is the Fox mention. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/12/05/nypd-targets-owners-multi-clip-shotguns-rifles/ Have to listen to Mr Limbow’s podcasts to find his mention, pretty sure it was on this past Tuesday or Wednesday when he spoke about the NYC letters. May have been before his T Day break. You guys had it out front several days ago.

  7. avatar DanRRZ says:

    Obamacare for sheep!

    The method employed here is a very Democratic (capital D) one. The nanny state to the rescue!

    NB: this doesn’t mean I disagree with the strategy, such is necessary to establish a population of animals lower on the food chain. Just noting the similarities.

  8. avatar jwm says:

    Yep, only in America. Men with hi-powered rifles escorting the sheep is considered the natural order of things.

    Next, they’ll introduce vegetarian mountain lions into the wild.

    1. avatar jirdesteva says:

      This is exactly what the want to do for NYC’s Ray Kelly and every major anti like Buttberg and Di Frankenstein. Armed guards for sheeple.

  9. avatar GatorGrabber says:

    Speaking as a wildlife biologist, you sometimes have to take unnatural actions to try and resolve an unnatural problem. To use a football analogy, many folks only start paying attention when there’s just 1 minute remaining in the 4th quarter. They don’t have the faintest idea what got the teams to that point in time, but, by-God, they have an opinion as to how things should be done!

    What these biologists are doing is fairly typical and necessary; emotions are removed from the equation. Hope this helps give clarity.

    1. avatar BDub says:

      Any good population reintroduction plan should have already surveyed the predator population and only released when they had enough animals to cope with it.

      1. avatar Mina says:

        buzz!! too logical. you fail.

      2. avatar GatorGrabber says:

        If only it was that simple…

  10. avatar Paul B says:

    How can I get in on that “natural order”? I have a floor in need of a cat rug.

  11. avatar Thomas Paine says:

    here’s the situation in PA
    -completely depleted whitetail deer population in the early 1900s
    -brought in deer from Michigan
    -hunting is good and plenty
    -municipalities outlaw hunting
    -deer thrive where they have no natural predators
    -deer become a problem and danger to motorists
    -coyotes move in because it’s like a buffet of young deer
    -people are sad that their favorite cat got eaten
    -everybody wonders how the hell coyotes became so prevalent
    -dingo ate your baby
    -Darwin loves you.

    1. avatar 2hotel9 says:

      Actually the PA G&F commission morons are the ones who brought coyotes in to control deer population at the behest of anti-hunting politicians and auto insurance providers. And never forget these are the same stupid f**ks who built fish hatcheries using carcinogen contaminated soil. Yea, lets have these a$$holes run the entire nation’s healthcare system.

    2. avatar Mina says:

      exactly. thank you.

      you did forget the horrible genetic problems and terrible diseases that prey on over populations of animals in a closed system. wasting disease, for example.

      1. avatar Jus Bill says:

        Why can’t that work on politicians?

  12. avatar 2hotel9 says:

    Having read the article all I can say is WHAT THE F**K. The sheep died out because of habitat loss and the government morons’ solution is to just throw a bunch more in and kill off the OTHER wildlife in the area. Wow. Just, wow. Without changing what caused them to die off originally all they are doing is killing slowly, and with excruciating pain from starvation and disease, sheep that were doing just fine where they were, and killing off cougars for no reason at all. Bunch of overpaid stupid f**ks.

  13. avatar KMc says:

    In Iowa, we used to have a great pheasant population in the southern tier of Counties. Than some dumb ass in the DNR figured out that we no longer have bobcats. So they introduced them, they bred like flies and now we have all the bobcats we’ll ever need. And we no longer have the pheasants in great enough numbers to support our formerly wonderful shooting season. Out of state hunters ask “where are all the pheasants?” We know, our DNR is too stupid to have left well enough alone. Go figure.

  14. avatar Pete says:

    No. No this is good. I mean it’s the natural order guys. I mean it says so right there.

    Just like all the common sense reforms from our government, haha. :p

  15. avatar APBTFan says:

    I don’t understand the hard-on to get a population going in the Catalinas. We have extremely healthy bighorn populations in the Kofa/Castle Dome mountains as well as either side of Roosevelt Lake – both within about a four hour drive from the Catalinas so its not like there is a dearth of bighorns in Southern Arizona.

    We have a huge problems with scumbags poaching our endangered native reptiles to sell to black market reptile collectors. The money they’re wasting on these bighorn needs to go to nailing those poachers.

  16. avatar Ralph says:

    This is a big improvement over what game officials used to do with sheep.

  17. avatar Stinkeye says:

    Job security. After they’ve killed enough big cats to consider them endangered, they can start a captive breeding program for them. It’s an endless cycle!

  18. avatar Martin B says:

    We need mountain lions in New Zealand. The deer, tahr and goats are running rampant, and there are too many hippie tramper tourists roaming the countryside. The lions could reduce the possum and rabbit overpopulation, and increase the fitness of the local humans (fleeing in terror). There are runors of a black panther in Canterbury (same in NSW in OZ) but otherwise game parks are the only place you can see the big kitties. We would get more interesting (bloodcurdling) news stories.

    1. avatar 2hotel9 says:

      Kill the goats!!!!!! They will destroy your naturally occurring ecology. They are destructive, they eat the grasses and shrubs right down to the dirt. Look at the middle east, goats are THE reason that there is no ground cover left, between them and sheep left to run wild all grasses, shrubs, trees and crops are eaten down to the dirt.

      Going to raise goats/sheep? Keep them tightly controlled, and kill all that go feral.

    2. avatar 2hotel9 says:

      Oh, I missed thew others! Kill all rabbits and opposums!!!! You lived there, you know what has to be done.

  19. I think politicians should be used to guard the sheep. Unarmed.

  20. avatar percynjpn says:

    Sam old environmentalist hypocrites – nothing new.

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