Daily Digest: Sheltering In Place Edition

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A pair of Florida state legislators introduced a bill (SB 544) last week to streamline the process of obtaining a Florida Concealed Weapon or Firearms License by letting county tax collectors handle gun permit applications. Currently virtually every other license and tax can be processed in one location, while CWFLs are only processed through eight regional offices, so adding gun permits to the services available only makes sense, right? Predictably, some folks are losing their minds over this, notably the Florida chapter of MDA, who took to their Facebook page to refer to Florida as the “wild west.” If you live here, call your state rep, because you know the pearl-clutching women will be.

Remember last year when several Chicago suburbs rushed assault weapons ban ordinances through under home rule before the state concealed carry law went into effect? Well, the first of those is being challenged in a lawsuit filed by a Highland Park pediatrician, Arie Friedman, with the support of the Illinois State Rifle Association. The lawsuit requests an injunction against the ban on Second Amendment grounds. Mr. Friedman owns several rifles prohibited by the ban, and is now storing them outside the city to comply with the law, which the suit claims infringes on his ability to keep and bear arms for home protection. At the request of the city attorney, the case has been removed from local circuit court and taken before a federal judge.

Miami, Florida held a gun buy-up last Saturday in Liberty City, and hold onto your hats, folks. In four hours, they took in seventy-nine firearms. How many firearms do you think are in Miami? How about in Liberty City alone? What percentage of that number is 79? Does it have 2, 3, or 4 leading zeroes? The link above has a photo of some examples of the truly horrifying implements of death and destruction taken in. Yay rust!

Your Lockdown of the Day™ comes from Watertown, Massachusetts, where students at Watertown High School were dismissed early on Friday after a single round of ammunition was found in a classroom. A teacher found the single cartridge on top of a projector about 8 a.m., at which point students “sheltered in place” for the next four hours while police went through the entire building, including running backpacks through an x-ray machine. Following the search, which (surprise!) found nothing, students were dismissed for the day “out of an abundance of caution.” It’s becoming “abundantly” clear to me that some kids have, as they always will, learned how to work this alarmist Chicken Little system to their benefit.

Jerry Miculek with a Mossberg 930 in slow-mo. I’m pretty sure he had the fifth round off before the first hull hit the ground. The shot pattern hitting the steel plate is one of the cooler camera shots Jerry has done.



  1. avatar Henry Bowman says:

    Funny… I’m pretty sure there were no permits required to carry a firearm in the “wild” west.

  2. avatar mrT says:

    Re: Florida

    So, concealed carry in Florida didn’t create the wild west.
    Castle doctrine didn’t create the wild west.
    Stand your ground didn’t create the wild west.
    Reducing the turn around time from months to weeks to get a cup didn’t create the wild west.
    Leading the nation in permit holders per state didn’t turn it into the wild west.

    How can one even dream up, that with this technical change in procedure, anything would change in the gunshine state.

    1. avatar JasonM says:

      Those things are making Florida more like the wild west.

      The wild west had a very low crime rate.

  3. avatar Scythian Arrows says:

    Wait, MDA is complaining about making the CCW application process as easy as renewing your car registration? And all this time gun control advocates are always making the comparison of requiring drivers to carry insurance and get licensed before driving, but I guess that analogy is only useful when it’s used to infringe on the civil rights of evil, icky gun owners.

    1. avatar Zach says:

      This is a common thread with them. They can compare having to register cars with firearms, but we can’t compare death rates between firearms and cars or the registering process.

      1. avatar Soccerchainsaw says:

        I remember taking driver’s ed in public school, with a classroom portion and a behind the wheel portion of the class in a car supplied by the school system. Should our teens be getting “gun ed” classes including range time with firearms supplied by the school system as well?

        1. avatar Chris. says:

          Yes – Our children should get “gun ed” classes in school. Including range time.

        2. avatar Matt in FL says:

          Absolutely yes. I’m even flexible on the range time part, that could be an extension class. But some basic firearms familiarization should be part of the curriculum. Hell, have ’em all take an Appleseed course. Get some unvarnished history AND a little trigger time. Remind them what being an American citizen means.

        3. avatar William Burke says:

          I support this, as well.

        4. avatar B says:

          The CHL class I went to was almost identical to drivers ed. Classroom portion on laws and stuff, behind the wheel portion where you had to keep it between the lines. It should be just as quick and easy to get a CHL as getting a drivers license at the least.

        5. avatar Rich Grise says:

          Get the government out of the school business, and they will teach whatever the parents tell them to teach.

  4. avatar dwb says:

    watching Jerry Miculek at regular speed is like how sex was at 16- you’re like damn is it already over that fast? Thank god for extra slo mo for us mere mortals. The shot hitting the plate was super cool, but that is the worlds ugliest shotgun ever. With that muzzle brake it looks like some sort of milsurp DARPA reject.

    I’ll be honest about the shotgun, I could have used a little more camo. I’ve got a fever and the only prescription is… more camo!

    1. avatar Matt in FL says:

      Form follows function, and doing well in competition makes that shottie beautiful.

      1. avatar John Fritz says:

        That shotgun has authority written all over it. The good kind.

        If it was left half again dirty from its last outing it would be perfection.

      2. avatar dwb says:

        “doing well in competition makes that shottie beautiful.”

        The antithesis of what sells guns. Everybody knows its the camo and shiny baubles that kill deer, and impress bad guys. I bet the sponsors have shiny baubles and camo on that thing in no time.

    2. avatar DavidT says:

      Did you notice the muzzle rise on that thing? Neither did I. It might not be attractive to your eyes but for the purpose it is intended for I don’t think there is much room for improvement, not with current technology anyway.

  5. avatar MojoRonin says:

    According to my maps, Florida is on the east coast

    1. avatar Werewolf1021 says:

      You and your geography. 🙂

    2. avatar Drew says:

      We will not have facts brought into this discussion!

  6. avatar Hannibal says:

    The standards in Florida aren’t getting easier, it’s just less difficult for lawful people to lawfully obtain lawful carry permits. Lawful.

    So, in other words, they’ve once again made it clear they aren’t afraid of criminals with guns, but guns themselves.

  7. avatar Ing says:

    I suppose it’d be useless try pointing out to these morons that their newly anointed wild western state is on the damn EAST COAST. Christ, but these people are stupid. Dumber than a bag of hammers.

    1. avatar rawmade says:

      Fairly sure that analogy has nothing to do with geographical location =P
      Im sure you already knew that but just pointing out theres plenty of things to call
      them stupid about regarding that analogy, thats not the one id use

  8. avatar ropingdown says:

    some folks are losing their minds over this, notably the Florida chapter of MDA

    When you’ve got nothin’ you’ve got nothing to lose.

    Still, if Mothers Demand Assets actual has a small brain remnant left, I’m with Dan Quayle, “A mind is a terrible thing to lose.”

  9. avatar Paul G. says:

    Sadly unknown by most is that driving is also a right, not a privilege. We volunteer to cede that right when we engage in the insuring, licensing, etc…of our person and vehicles. Legally, only those using their vehicles in a professional manner need to do those things. But banks require those things to loan you money to buy a vehicle, the beginning of the entrapment. Over the decades people have been conditioned to see their own licensing, and the insuring and registering of vehicles as legal necessity. Try explaining that to a liberal using those conditions on driving as a basis for comparison.
    We have also become similarly conditioned regarding firearms to think that licensing is legal regarding the privilege of bearing arms. The idea that the state can infringe the enumerated right is blatantly wrong. But then again, scotus ruled that drivers dui checkpoints are legal, despite asserting that they are unconstitutional. Somehow the scotus found the end justified the means, which is exactly what the enumeration of certain rights was meant to protect against.

    1. avatar user3369 says:

      Driving is only a right on your private property, and there are no laws requiring registration or licensing to do so.

      Driving on public roads is not a right.

      1. avatar Diamondback says:

        Bullhockey! That’s only what sheep like you think.

        “all men are endowed, by their creator, with certain unalienable rights … life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness…”

        All men have the right to travel wherever and however they wish; and to take game from the wild; and to carve out their subsistence from the earth; and many, many other things which the government has usurped illegitimately.

        What? You can only pursue happiness and be free if you own private property.


        Such sheep amerikans have become.

        For the first time in my life I have become ashamed of most of my fellow countrymen.

        Land of the free …
        Home of the brave…


        1. avatar Kevin A says:

          No. You have the right to travel. You have no right to a car. If you are a threat to society with your car, then society has the right and responsibility to take away your car. Taking away your car is not taking away your ability to travel.

        2. avatar Matt in FL says:

          You have the right of free travel. You do not have the “right” to drive on public roads, paid for by public funds, without acceding to the regulations set forth for the use of that road. That may not agree with whatever “sovereign citizen” ethos to which you subscribe, but it’s the rules that have been put in place by common agreement of the community. Your use of the road indicates your implicit agreement to those societal rules.

      2. avatar Salty Bear says:

        Wrong. We have the right to travel, and the government has no business telling us we can’t do it in cars. Saying that the government built the road, so they can tax and license you to travel in the US is essentially saying that we are prisoners on our own property unless we are willing to walk everywhere. We have a right to travel, and whether we do it in a car or notis entirely our own business.

        1. avatar Kevin A says:

          Does the government have a right to tell people with numerous DUIs that they can’t operate a car on the public road?

  10. avatar William Burke says:

    “Your Lockdown of the Day™ comes from Watertown, Massachusetts, where students at Watertown High School were dismissed early on Friday after a single round of ammunition was found in a classroom. A teacher found the single cartridge on top of a projector about 8 a.m., at which point students “sheltered in place” for the next four hours while police went through the entire building, including running backpacks through an x-ray machine. Following the search, which (surprise!) found nothing, students were dismissed for the day “out of an abundance of caution.” It’s becoming “abundantly” clear to me that some kids have, as they always will, learned how to work this alarmist Chicken Little system to their benefit.”

    Way to get off a day later than most schools, kidz! I salute your inventiveness. Your teachers and administrators are all in some kind of strange unisexual menopause. If I were you, I’d strike for something better than the stinking morass you’ve been dealt. Not your fault, kids.

  11. avatar PPGMD says:

    Honestly the proposed Florida bill isn’t a huge change from the way things have worked for a number of years. In fact this proposal will make it more like how it used to be, before they opened the regional Ag offices you did your fingerprints at the Sheriffs Office, you photo at Walgreens, and the typing of the application was done at the central Ag office at the capitol. So in essence not a single Ag employee ever physically saw you. By allowing the County Tax collectors to do all that work, it is closer to the way it used to be.

    I will admit that the regional Ag offices are nice. For my renewal once I gathered up all the requirements, I was out the door with my renewed permit (the actual physical card) in 30 minutes.

    1. avatar Matt in FL says:

      Yeah, I’ve heard that the regional offices are the way to go lately. Much faster turnaround than going through Tallahassee.

      It is worth noting that not every tax collector will do this, if the bill passes. It will be up to the individual tax collectors to decide if they want to offer this service, and it will cost an extra fee. I’ve heard $22.

  12. avatar C says:

    When i was your age, we had to call in actual bomb threats! You little shits can get by with a .22 casing.

    1. avatar jsallison says:

      For the win 😉

    2. avatar William Burke says:

      HAHAHA! Now that the Statute o Limitations has long passed, I DID this. Somewhere. In protest to the Kent State killings.


  13. avatar Cubby123 says:

    Gun buybacks? Oh you mean police gun collection improvement campaign .Gee I wish I could go to a gunshow and buy guns with Walmart gift certificates that taxpayers paid for.

  14. avatar BillF says:

    “To further perpetuate its status as the wild west Two Florida state legislators want to make applying for a concealed weapon permit as easy as renewing an automobile tag or getting a fishing license.”

    So you now need to submit to a background check, be fingerprinted and provide proof of firearms training to get an auto tag or fishing license in Florida? Wonder when all that happened.

    1. avatar Jus Bill says:

      Those pesky facts keep getting in the way of a perfectly good tweet by a twit.

  15. avatar Scottlac says:

    When I was in the 6th grade (in the late 70’s), the night janitor left a revolver in a paper sack on my desk. It’s a good thing I was out sick that morning. The teacher scooped it up, some official heads were scratched, and no one else missed a bit of class time. I heard about it from the other kids the next day. It never made the news.

    1. avatar Vendetta says:

      Was that some kind of warning in case you talked about the “secret closet hug time”?

  16. avatar Pascal says:

    Regarding the “chicken little response” I wonder when some criminals take advantage. Sending all the police to one location so that they can attack a location on the opposite side of town giving the police a moral dilemma.

    1. avatar Soccerchainsaw says:

      While most individual police officers have morals, no government agency does. Therefore the police department will flounder about trying to come upon a more politically correct response that will cause them the least amount of negative publicity.

  17. avatar Chris Mallory says:

    Since in Kentucky, sheriffs handle the paperwork before it is sent to the state gestapo, “county tax collectors” have handled applications since the program started. Don’t see why it wouldn’t work in FL.

  18. avatar Jonathan -- Houston says:

    Ah yes, the “Wild, Wild West”, those halcyon days when dirty Mexicans and inscrutable Chinamen were targeted for civilian disarmament by racist local governments, lest they get uppity and back with force their objection to routine victimization at the hands of the same.

    Is….that….the “Wild, Wild West” you were thinking of, Ms. Watts? Or were you leaning more toward the Hollywood T.V. show shoot ’em up version you grew up watching, filmed on the backlots of Universal Studios? Hmm?

    Because one reveals your complicity in a racist pogram, while the other exposes you as a feckless, reckless rube incapable of accounting for the harm you abet.

    Sooo…..how ya wanna make it, sweetie?

  19. avatar Rich Grise says:

    “Predictably, some folks are losing their minds over this, notably the Florida chapter of MDA”

    Too late.

  20. avatar Diamondback says:

    We don’t need no stinkin’ permits!

    We already have one!

    The 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution which has been applied against the states since every state official was required to swear an oath of fidelity to the US Constitution.

  21. avatar Jus Bill says:

    The Florida chapter of MDA should both have a nice cup of tea and calm down. Too much caffeine is bad for you.

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