Obscure Object of Desire: Magazine Fed Pump Action Shotgun


I swear I’ve seen this somewhere before, but that doesn’t make it any less awesome. The proprietary receiver accepts Saiga magazines and turns your tube fed gun into a box fed badass. The tube is still required (to keep the barrel attached) but rendered useless, as the follower assembly has been removed and there is no lifter.


  1. Yeah, I’ll be needing one of those! STAT!

  2. avatar JTPhilly says:

    Wasn’t there like a kit by someone like ATI that allowed Mossberg 500’s to take box and drum mags?

    1. avatar styrgwillidar says:

      Knox Sidewinder

    2. avatar Alex says:

      Black Aces Tactical does those conversions.

  3. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

    I think I remember EAA importing something like this in the early 90’s.
    See if Paul Richter is manning the EAA booth there. He’ll know.

  4. avatar jwm says:

    Why? I know…..I know, why not? But still, why?

    1. avatar James St. John says:

      Cause it’s wrong.

      1. avatar William Burke says:

        Can’t be wrong. It looks so RIGHT.

    2. avatar AlphaGeek says:

      Because: 3-gun.

      1. avatar Accur81 says:

        Plus extra points for being offensive.

  5. avatar Pantera Vazquez says:

    Ok it looks good, but what mfr? what model? what price? What’s with the tease and lack of info?

  6. avatar GS650G says:

    The ultimate gift for that gun grabber you know.

  7. avatar Izmosis says:

    Don’t know if it’s the same company or not but;


    As the proud owner of two Saiga 12s (that run like scalded dogs) I’ll forgo that quaint pump operation.

  8. avatar Michael B. says:


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  9. avatar Pantera Vazquez says:

    per the black aces tactical website the mossie 500 kit not available-MSRP $499.00

  10. avatar Izmosis says:

    This setup came onto the radar of the Saiga-12 board I infest frequent a few months back and generally the reaction was “Meh…”especially given the price.

  11. avatar OHgunner says:

    I’d buy it if it cost $75. Anything over that, I’ll pass. Just a toy.

    1. avatar Lucas D. says:

      I’m thinking the same thing. The ability to do a swift reload on a pump-action is pretty neat, but if someone thinks they’ll need to spit out that much lead at something that quickly, it’s even money that they’ve already got an autoloading shotgun that takes magazines.

  12. avatar G says:

    Reminds me of a Valtro PM5 a bit…

  13. avatar Brad says:

    …and hopefully they would make a variant for my SA-20! (semi auto *and* mag-fed!)

    1. avatar AlphaGeek says:

      Ditto for my 459. A combination which I will never, ever be allowed to own in CA.

  14. avatar jsallison says:

    Needs to be a bullpup lever action, and in lefty, thenkyewveddymuch.

  15. avatar James T says:

    In this video about arms manufacture in Pakistan they make a bunch of magazine fed pump shotguns.

    1. avatar natermer says:

      Wow. Color me impressed.

      Different styles of hammer fired pistols, beretta clones, glock clones. Pump action magazine feed shotguns, semi-automatic magazine feed shotguns, luxury side by side barrel shotguns, sub machine guns. All sorts of sub machine guns.

  16. avatar Author says:

    Kel-Tec KSG is still better than this.

    1. avatar CA.Ben says:


  17. Certainly a better idea than the Knoxx side wonder conversion. That thing was a piece of shit.

  18. avatar conceal7 says:

    i think this is featured in the new universal soldier movie on netflix, or a similar variant i suppose ??

    eh, id still rather get an X Rail

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