Locals Limit Pittsburgh Police Night Training

GMan writes:

The local MSM ran a story on the police department’s practice limitations: they’re prohibited from shooting in low/adverse light unless neighbors green light the training. The agreement’s based on complaints about noise pollution; the shooting range’s close to a residential neighborhood. But if the PD response to an active shooter in said neighborhood during the night would falter—due in part to lack of above training—would those same residents change their tune? Maybe we simply need another piece of legislation to make it uber-illegal to commit crimes during darkness. That will, of course, deter the bad guys and make them wait until the sun comes up. Problem solved. (/sarc)


  1. avatar In Memphis says:

    They wouldnt blame lack of training at all. The secind a cop shoots a kid with a toy gun it instantly becomes racism or just a trigger happy cop.

    1. avatar Russ Bixby says:

      Or a real gun.

  2. avatar Russ Bixby says:

    If you outlaw nighttime fire, only outlaws will fire at night.

  3. avatar Russ Bixby says:

    Seriously, though, if a society (and the population of a large, urban area is a society unto itself) embraces the idea that defense and safety should be the exclusive purview of professionals, why on God’s Green would they want anything less than the best-trained, best-paid and most community-loved professionals possible?

    “Hello there, Officer Pete; glad to see you. Care for some coffee? ”

    Even in relatively non-Jeffersonian places like the N.Y.C. of the thirties, for the most part only the bad guys disliked the cops – or had reason to.

    The citizens of Philadelphia should embrace training for their police, hold bake sales for better salaries and GET INVOLVED, at least if they are bound and determined to OUTSOURCE their own safety.

    1. avatar Ralph says:

      I’d rather have a rabid wolverine in my house than an on-duty cop.

      1. avatar Russ Bixby says:

        I understand that. I’m just saying that things don’t need to be that way.

        I live in the sticks, and our LEOs are deputies of the Shire Reve. We call ’em for burglaries and such which require actual investigation, which is to say not very frequently.

        In twelve years, I have never called ’em and only once has one come by to ask if I’d heard or seen anything unusual the evening before.

        For defense, we’re on our own – which is recognized by and alright with everyone concerned.

        And once or twice, one has just dropped in to say “hi” and grab a cup of cocoa.

      2. avatar Accur81 says:


        You hurt my feelings, but also made me laugh really hard.

        1. avatar Ralph says:

          Accur81, note that I said “on-duty cop.” When your shift is over, you’re welcome to drop by for a bourbon or ten.

  4. avatar ColinP says:

    Notice towards the end when he is demonstrating how he hold a handgun and a flash light. Did anyone else find it odd how vertical his off hand was, allowing for no support to his weapon hand. They really need to get their shit together. If cops are going to be the only ones with guns they better be the best you possibly can be with em.

  5. avatar Ralph says:

    Police have nobody to blame but themselves for alienating entire communities. Having said that, maybe this isn’t about disaffection with cops. Maybe the people of Highland Park are entitled to a little peace and quiet, and maybe the Pittsburgh police should find an indoor range where they can turn down the lights.

    1. avatar Joke & Dagger says:

      Yeah, cry me a river Pittsburgh Po Po. Find an alternative.

    2. avatar Accur81 says:

      I agree. Find light switch, turn off, locate gun light or auxiliary light and turn on. Yahtzee.

  6. avatar John says:

    to Ralpth:
    which do they want…
    peace and quiet?
    effective, skilled and trained law enforcement (since it seems they don’t want to take it upon themselves to secure their neighborhood)

    like Russ said… if you’re going to farm it (your safety/security) out, wouldn’t you want the best available?

    I want to know if that range is open to the public or not. I have in-laws in that area and would love to go shoot there whenever out there… would give me an excuse to avoid my mother-in-law!

    1. avatar Ralph says:

      I think they want both, John, and they are entitled to both. Let the cops practice at an indoor range with a modern invention called a rheostat. You know — a dimmer. Then the cops can get some low-light training and the people of Highland Park can get some peace and quiet. I think that’s fair.

      1. avatar blehtastic says:

        Or just travel out to the country a bit, as most of us private citizens have to when we want to find a decent range.

  7. avatar Bob says:

    Welder’s glasses are great for “low light” practice in the day.

  8. avatar Erik says:

    it’s simple, everyone wants highways, bridges, good police, factories, etc,……

    as long as it’s happening next to someone else.

    it’s called NIMBYism….

  9. avatar csmallo says:

    Considering that the sole purpose of cops is to enforce the edicts of a group of people with such low morals and suspect character that they became politicians, I want them as low paid, untrained and poorly equipped as possible.

    Disarm cops for a safer America.

    All cops lie, all the time.

    1. avatar Russ Bixby says:

      Wow. Glad I don’t live in your world.

      1. avatar B says:


    2. avatar Accur81 says:

      2+2 = 4.

      And I’m a cop. Am I telling the truth, or a lie?

      1. avatar Ralph says:

        Dude, you are such an existentialist.

        1. avatar Accur81 says:

          I’ve been called a lot worse than that. Although I’ve never considered being worse than a rabid wolverine until recently.

    3. avatar EPThorn says:

      Ah yes, the mantra of the internet hero who sounds like a 5-year old little girl when he has to call 9-1-1 without realizing the irony.

  10. avatar MikeC says:

    The nearest houses are 1/2-mi away from the range. Funny that Larimer is just as close, but Larimer residents aren’t complaining. I guess when your neighbors are shooting each other nighty, you don’t care about the range down the hill.

  11. avatar Bryan says:

    They spend so much money already, tooling up. I don’t understand if noise is the real issue, that they don’t have departmental use (check out as needed) 22’s with silencers for their night practice. I mean if your goal really is better low light target acquisition and identification, then drawing and shot placement wouldn’t be as much a concern. Because statistically your average LEO can’t hit sh*t anyway.

    OR just tool them all up at night with paintball guns and have them go at each other! Proper target acquisition and ID comes quick when someone’s shooting back!

  12. avatar Ken Hagler says:

    So what exactly are Pittsburgh’s laws on noise pollution?

  13. avatar jwm says:

    If the police want an indoor training facility, they will be hammered for being wasteful of taxpayers dollars. They train outdoors at night and the same taxpayers will go ballistic for the noise disturbance. They slow down in their training and accomdate the taxpayers the first time something bad happens and the cops fumble because of lack of training they will be pilloried by the same taxpayers that impeded them.

    Some people would b!tch if you hung them with a new rope.

  14. avatar EPThorn says:

    So cut out nighttime patrols. Everyone’s happy.

  15. avatar Kyle says:

    Highland Park is full of yuppies. I encourage the Pittsburgh police to contact/contract with Pitcairn Monroeville Sportsmen Club. Some departments already use the club to qualify. At least once a year, we already have night time competitions in which every shooter is required to have a gun-mounted or hand-held light.

  16. avatar Justin says:

    Maybe they should invest in suppressors for night training?

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