VIDEO: Holstered Pistol Discharges… Negligent or Accident?

GLOCK 42 G Code holster discharge AIWB negligent accident

This video was submitted anonymously by a reader in Nevada. It shows a firearm that had been holstered discharging when the carrier bent over to pick something up.

We’re told that the gun in question was a GLOCK 43. The holster was a GCode INCOG. The bullet penetrated the carrier’s groin in a through-and-through wound and he is reported to be in stable condition.

Discuss.

 

GCode INCOG holster courtesy YouTube.

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  1. avatar No one of consequence says:

    Shirt tail caught in with the gun?

    If so, improper holstering so .. negligent.

    1. avatar Geoff "Mess with the Bull, get the Horns" PR says:

      Did anyone else notice how ‘Fearless Police Dog’s first instinct to the gunshot was to haul-ass out of there?

      Training! 😉

      The dog was sitting about were the muzzle was pointed when the ND occurred.

      (Glad no one or ‘Fearless Dog’ was killed…)

      1. avatar Geoff "Mess with the Bull, get the Horns" PR says:

        EDIT – The dog was sitting before he moved to the leather chair right about where the muzzle was pointed when the *Boom* happened…

        1. avatar Spot On says:

          I feel bad….for the 9mm. Once again someone is shot by one point-blank and will recover just fine. Probably a hollow point too.

        2. avatar Joe_K says:

          – All mechanical objects can and eventually WILL fail.
          – People have managed to have AD/ND’s with every type of firearm known to man.
          – If you carry on body, at some point even the biggest safety Sally Range Nazi WILL flag a part of the self, regardless of where in the “clock” one carries.
          – I’ve seen dudes trying to reholster their 1911’s into an IWB Holster at 3 O’clock and point there muzzle through their hips/groin diagonally trying to stick a hot gun into a holster.
          – DIY Gunsmithing needs to die.
          – If you are going to carry, carry loaded, round in chamber, otherwise you are a liability.
          – Stop blaming the brand, the caliber, the holster, shirt, or the guy until the FACTS come out.

        3. avatar Hannibal says:

          Mechanical objects will fail, but if you design them properly they will ‘fail-safe .” That’s why I happen to prefer handguns that have the hammer lowered and blocked during carry.

        4. avatar Rifle says:

          The Israelis who have more daily need and heaps more experience than most, carry with an empty chamber. The slide is cycled during the draw.
          Striker fired no safety design will eventually shoot someone you don’t want to shoot.

        5. avatar Hannibal says:

          What is with this Israeli fetish? They don’t carry in such a condition because they’re supermen, they went to that style of carry because they were NOT well trained and used a variety of weapons. Much like some branches in the US army went with it, because they don’t trust the people they are issuing firearms to on guard duty to not shit the bed.

          This silly myth needs to end.

        6. avatar retrocon says:

          rifle: what Isreali’s? IDF? Citizens? is there a law?

          If you’re talking about IDF, yes, same as US Military… we are taught to carry with an empty chamber in our pistol. The pistol is the least likely firearm to be engaged in combat situations. That’s also why, for years after the 1911 was adopted, the Military Police Corps still usually issued double-action revolvers from the armory for MPs with garrison duty (traditional policing). Different use case.

          If you are humping through the desert on patrol, you better have a round in the chamber of your RIFLE though.

          I carry a 1911, cocked and locked, as a defensive weapon, as a private citizen.

    2. avatar tmm says:

      I’m seeing a weapon made hot then holstered within the waistband…that is, his holster was in the waistband empty, and he holstered the weapon in place. I’m not experienced with appendix, but I’ve seen where users will place the weapon in the holster first before setting the holster in the waistband. I’m thinking that method is used to avoid foreign objects against the trigger guard.

      1. avatar Timothy Haddaway says:

        Yep, but people will disagree with you. The only way I appendix carry is a double action only with a safety.

        1. avatar Jack Gordon says:

          Most DAO pistols and all revolvers do not need a manual safety; the pull weight of the trigger and its distance of travel are sufficient to prevent any kind of AD as long as you exercise reasonable care (i.e. keep your finger off the trigger unless intending to fire). The problem with the incident discussed here is found in this quote from the article: “…[I]t’s difficult to divine any useful information over what happened.” I’ll tell you exactly what happened and why. This fellow like many others was carrying a Glock, a brand whose pistols subject its users to high risk for absolutely no reason, for no gain at all. Gaston Glock’s formula for handguns (no manual safety beyond the silly ‘secondary trigger’ combined with a striker rather than a hammer), INVITES accidents. I’m not alone in believing this. [See, for example, GunBlue490 videos concerning this popular but dangerous line of guns.] I wouldn’t give the things houseroom, let alone carry one in any kind of holster anywhere on my person. It’s simply too hazardous for both me and those surrounding me.

        2. I haven`t used the safety on my Walther PPKS, and I also use the appendix with a round chambered, carry. After seeing this, I`ll use the safety. Good grief.

        3. avatar B says:

          The Glock is a safe-action pistol, with 3 safeties. Something (foreign object) had to have made its way in front of the trigger when holstered thus not allowing the gun to be properly seated in the holster. Most likely, his movement of bending forward caused his torso to apply pressure on the backstrap of the pistol, thus moving the gun’s trigger into the foreign object. Glock’s mechanical design will not allow it to fire any other way.

      2. avatar B says:

        Plenty of knowledgeable and skilled folks out there with no safety issues but no longer have the strength to squeeze a longer and heavier DAO trigger accurately, especially some folks with debilitating concerns and disabilities.

    3. avatar Arc says:

      Tbh, this is why my Glock is condition 3 when holstered, just my preference. I bend hard enough to break the plastic support inside the neoprene so depressing the trigger isn’t outside the realm of possibility. So far I haven’t heard any clicks in a year or two but I don’t trust it.

      1. avatar Christopher House says:

        What is condition 3?

        1. avatar Tim says:

          Magazine inserted, no round in chamber.

        2. avatar James says:

          Condition 0 — Magazine inserted, round in the chamber, safety off.
          For SA/DA — Hammer is back.

          Condition 1 — Magazine inserted, round in the chamber, safety on.
          For SA/DA — Hammer is back.

          Condition 2 — Applies to Single-Action/Double-Action primarily. This is a magazine inserted, round in the chamber, hammer forward. For revolvers, it would be rounds inserted into cylinder, cylinder locked into place, hammer forward.

          Condition 3 — Magazine inserted, no round in the chamber.
          For SA/DA — Hammer is forward.

          Condition 4 — No magazine inserted, no round in the chamber.
          For SA/DA — Hammer is forward.
          For SA/DA revolvers — Hammer is forward, cylinder is clear of all rounds.

          Condition 4 is considered safe for transport in a range environment. Some ranges have looser restrictions than others but all across the board – Condition 4 is always a good idea until you are given permission by the range safety officer (or ordinances governing the range) to proceed from Condition 4 to 1/0.

          So, as you can see, Condition 0 and 1 are separated only by a manual safety.

        3. avatar The Raven says:

          Condition Stupid

        4. avatar PsyGuy says:

          “Condition stupid” – says the guy reading an article and responses about some stupid guy shooting himself with his pistol and everyone conjecturing about WHY it happened.

          One even saying that the guy should have had something “better” than a 9mm and insinuating he only lived because it was a 9mm … because shooting yourself and dying is SO MUCH better.

          Because carrying and shooting yourself takes a genius… right?
          Bet he doesn’t do that again – oh wait – what was the definition of stupid? Doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome.

          *SMDH*

      2. avatar supercomp_1@yahoo.com says:

        I agree. This is probably the best analogy. Holster bend and creases occur in the most unlikely places. I remember seeing on the net, a man was re-holstering his weapon into a worn out leather holster, while in his car. During the the process the trigger caught on the top edge of said leather holster that bent into a crease and got trapped inside the trigger guard. In the case of this guy getting shot when he bent over, Id say there could have been enough torque to create a crease inward into the trigger guard. The outside part of the plastic or polymer was able to enter inward into the trigger guard as he bent down.

        1. avatar Jeffrey says:

          This means the leather had gotten soft with sweat and is liable to bend the top part of the leather to tuck in the trigger. Make sure there’s is metal rim overlapped with leather will stay and not bend! So if your leather is soft or peals from the metal rim, throw it away and get a new one!

      3. avatar B says:

        Your concern is understandable. That flex sounds pretty un-nerving. Glad you haven’t heard “click” like you said, lol.

        Could a sturdier material other than neoprene be more effective and provide better peace of mind? Somebody must have something out there to suit your needs in this gear junkie world. Just wondering…

        BTW, aside from the holster issue, wouldn’t having to go “hot” on a cold chamber in response to an imminent or immediate threat make a high stress situation even harder?

        When SHTF it’s normally fast and dirty. I would think chambering during an on-coming threat becomes another obstacle you’ll have to negotiate during the fight or flight reflex.

        IMHO, one may not always be able to foresee a sudden attack, or a predator laying in wait. This could limit precious reaction time or the mobility to evade, to create distance, while now having to chamber. How about some some big, hungry or rabid four-legged critter attack? Those landsharks are fast and got craaaaazy teeth! Lol.

        Could the loading or reaction hand be attacked, injured or bitten… maybe occupied in defending yourself or shielding a loved one or just regaining one’s balance? What if it was the gunhand? Could that hinder the defender’s ability to get the gun chambered and operational? That would suck.😵

        Just by nature, the “reactionary gap” under stress poses an extreme challenge to overcome. The inability to widen the gap for whatever reason compounds the problem.

        When anticipating worst case scenarios, could one eliminate the emergency chambering step by prep loading the CCW handgun ahead of time? This system IS being carried on you, concealed, and “ready” for a reason. Carrying a concealed handgun with a loaded magazine but unchambered doesn’t sound “ready” to me. More like “almost ready”.

        Kinda like an athlete that’s supposed to be ready to run. The shoes are on and he/she can walk to the starting line, but they still gotta tie their laces to run. Again, almost ready, but not quite. A “fire extinguisher” has to be ready especially if a “flash fire” errupts in one’s immediate space. Just saying…😉

        Also, performing a fine motor skill last second, when your life depends on it, can make it more problematic. Not saying it can’t be done, but another option is available. Like trying to get your key in the doorknob when the beast is getting closer behind you, and you drop your keys. Darn motor skills! Hate that when it happens. Lol.

        And what about that Murphy guy? How come he likes to screw us up with his mojo, like that guy in that car insurance commercial? Lol.

        Anyways, to each, their own. Gotta go with what you’re comfortable with. Just kinda thinking what can help if you gotta go down that road.

        Y’all be careful out there. Peace!✌

        1. avatar David Bass says:

          You’d have a hard time finding a fire extinguisher that is hanging on the wall in condition one. Most have a pin that has to be pulled before being able to be discharged and many have that pin zip-tied to the handle/frame.

        2. avatar B says:

          To David Bass-

          You are most correct, Sir!👍

          I was speaking figuratively about the fire extinguisher being ready, in the sense that it doesn’t have to be loaded or filled. But yeah, no “condition one” extinguishers out there. Too many things to bypass, even if it’s in your hand. That’s like having a fully loaded pistol that’s strapped in a security level III holster, stowed away in your safe. 😉✌

        3. avatar Ssgt Bob says:

          One common element missing from most discussions on carrying in “Condition 1″ is that if you do, then you must keep your mind in ”Condition 1”. Aside from active combat, or active shooter I submit this is nearly impossible to do effectively thereby opening the door for the Negligent Discharge/Shooting innocent bystanders to occur.
          There is a reason when Law Enforcement or even soldiers have a close quarters combat (CQC) shooting (where they are having to react to an armed threat) will discharge 30 or more rounds yet only land one or two rounds on target- Fine motor skills get dumped when the adrenaline pulses. Given that the majority of the time the threat does not get stopped with those first shots the defender is still completely vulnerable to the attack.
          I do not have actual statistics, but casual observations indicate that if you attempt to quick draw on a surprise threat you stand a much better chance of shooting yourself or your companions than you do stopping the threat. My fear is that all of the Condition 1 carry folks think they are prepared for the quick draw. Most of the videos shown to support Condition 1 carry I would use to train just the opposite. Your number one priority in CQC is should be cover. You cannot effectively defend when wounded yourself (or killed).
          Once you place the weapon in condition 1, there are myriad of events that can result that round being discharged in a manner not intended. In Condition 3 there are none.
          And on a final note, (for those that comment such) please stop with the “unloaded might as well be left at home” or is a rock comments. The High Plains Drifter only exists in the movies, You ain’t him.

    4. avatar Don says:

      Looking at the holster website with the gun in place, if you adjust the belt hook on one side lower, it’s top lines up right at the trigger. Maybe a stiff belt holds it hard enough against that part of the holster to result in the trigger press.

    5. avatar Paul Russell says:

      Sure didn’t look like his shirttail got in the way.

    6. avatar Jim Foreman says:

      That’s one of the main reasons I carry a revolver.

  2. avatar MICHAEL A CROGNALE says:

    He’s damned lucky he didn’t neuter himself or bleed out from a major artery sever! That is a STUPID way to conceal. Period.

    1. avatar Howdy1 says:

      You do you. Let them do them.

      1. avatar Ed says:

        Anyone dumb enough to apendix carry should be neutered anyways so they can’t contaminate the rest of the world with their stupidity. Why would anyone ever choose to point a loaded pistol at their junk and femoral artery?

        1. avatar Motum says:

          Because it is the best way to carry concealed. Give it a try some time. It is the most comfortable, never prints and fastest draw. Doesn’t work well for fatties though.
          https://youtu.be/r4Pv_YCm-i0

        2. avatar 33Charlemagne says:

          I am sorry but whatever advantages appendix carry has are just not the risks if something goes wrong!

        3. avatar tdiinva says:

          The advantages of appendix carry are illusory The draw is faster by a a couple of tenths of seconds at best. You aren’t going to be in a wild west gunfight and if your survival comes down to a tiny bit of time you have already done enough things wrong that you are going to die anyway.. Anything that causes you to violate the fundamentals of gun safety is an unsound practice.

        4. avatar Ed says:

          Hey Motum, explain to me exactly how pointing a gun at your cock and balls is the “best” was to carry a gun?

        5. avatar Cameron says:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeFdM2Xq_ao

          strong side just as dangerous

        6. avatar Jack says:

          tdiinva: It’s not and issue of draw speed. It’s an issue of retention – very few people will touch you in the groin area but people feel more comfortable touching you at 4:30.

        7. avatar The Raven says:

          Motum crossfits, owns at least one War Sport AR, and owns at least one pair of Chris Costa Signature Edition white Oakleys.

        8. avatar Terclinger says:

          Sorry, but “Motum” rhymes with “Scrotum”…

        9. avatar donttreadonme says:

          Thats a moronic comment to make. Some gun owners are our own worst enemies. There is nothing wrong with appendix carry, or any other position that someone chooses to carry. Factory glocks will not “just go off” without something pressing the trigger.

        10. avatar Jack Gordon says:

          You and some others here seem to have unjustified faith in other carry positions. Any gun going off that close to any place on the body can and probably will do serious damage if not kill you. I appendix carry all the time with a hammer-filed revolver and I’d be willing to do the same with a pistol, round in the chamber. But, when I buy a revolver or pistol — I have both — I want [1] hammer-fired only; [2] no hammer spur and/or hammer either recessed or shrouded; [3] double action only trigger. Since modern pistols have firing pin blocks and most revolvers have hammer blocks or transfer bars if needed (shrouded hammers usually don’t), it’s very hard to see how a discharge can be anything but deliberate, regardless of where one chooses to carry a holster on the body.

        11. avatar Joe R. says:

          Appendix carry means never reaching your weapon while sitting down.

          One word people.

          Shoulder Holster.

          You can squat with a barbell, and duckwalk as far as you are physically able, and won’t be able to shoot yourself in the junk without an olympic riccochet.

          Shoulder Holster. Appendix carry people look like twitchy pervs. They don’t “print”, they grab and adjust their sh_t 3 x more than Michael Jackson (just to make sure they’re not “printing”).

        12. avatar UB says:

          He does seem to be swimming in the shallow end of the gene pool.

        13. avatar phoenixmichaels says:

          Me and Doc Holiday believe the crossdraw to be the best and fastest. In addition, it’s not pointing at your junk or your femoral artery. Great for bending over or sitting as well.

      2. avatar Nathan Thedford says:

        Maybe you should worry about yourself as well. You do you. Let them do them.

        1. avatar Texheim says:

          You do you and I’ll never have to worry about blowing my dick off.

    2. avatar Arc says:

      We plus size people can hide just about anything in appendix carry.

      1. avatar Matt says:

        Correct

      2. avatar Mark Laderwarg says:

        Getting it out is another issue.

        1. avatar Joe R. says:

          Getting your appendix out should be left to a professional.

      3. avatar B says:

        But ya gotta protect the plus size junk too! Lol
        Especially if one can’t see his own belt buckle. 😂

        Y’all be careful out there now, ya hear!✌

    3. avatar Hernando A Cardona says:

      Holy shit. Did anyone else reach for their junk when that gun went off?

      1. avatar Just. not. right. says:

        Yes…. and it made me “sweat” like a “pulling mule”…. day yum….

  3. avatar Cruzo1981 says:

    Wow, I’m gonna keep carrying at 3 oclock OWB…

      1. avatar Ssgt Bob G says:

        Thank you for posting this, I only would hope that many of the strong opinion-ed on this subject would heed the ‘more humility’ when discussing the issue. Unfortunately the nature of the comment section is one of who can come up with the cutest and snarkiest retort and the number of keyboard warriors.

        1. avatar B says:

          👍 Nicely put, Ssgt. Stay safe out there, and shoot straight. ✌

      2. avatar Mike L. says:

        Nice presentation, he always does a nice job. I carry appendix and have for years. Personally i think it’s no more unsafe than any other position. When carrying in a new position or with a new holster, i first clear my gun and make sure it’s clear then I cock it with safety’s off and then try to find a fail point. If I here a click I stop I find out why its that simple. Understanding the cause of the click decreases the chance of the BOOM. Currently i mostly carry a LC9S and sometimes a G17. My holster (waiting for fireballs) A trigger guard holster with a static line. The holster strips off when the gun is clear of my body. Re holstering is done by placing the slide lock on, inserting the gun into the holster then inserting the gun into the waist band making any adjustments and lastly removing the slide lock. It’s one the safest or least accident prone holsters out there however, it does have draw backs and is not for everyone. Lots of YouTube video’s on them if interested.

  4. avatar Shire-man says:

    If the holster were flexible enough to collapse into the trigger guard it wouldnt be a holster. Must have pressed the gun down deeper when he bent over to activate the trigger.. Something had to be in the holster or the holster had to be made of floppy cotton.

    1. avatar Danny L Griffin says:

      Holster is made of Kydex with fuzz on the outside. He must have had his shirt or something in the holster. This shouldn’t have happened.

      1. avatar Geoff "Mess with the Bull, get the Horns" PR says:

        ” This shouldn’t have happened.”

        It’s a perfect example of *why* I refuse to carry striker-fired handguns appendix carry.

        Mr. Murphy follows you wherever you go…

        1. avatar DJ says:

          I refuse to carry any gun there.

        2. avatar Geoff PR says:

          “I refuse to carry any gun there.”

          I have carried (and will continue to carry) long, heavy, DAO trigger weapons appendix.

          But *never* striker-fired…

        3. avatar RayS says:

          I carry my G27 at 5:00, both in and outside waistband. NEVER appendix. I will carry my snubby there tho. Nothing safer than a DA trigger.

        4. avatar Swarf says:

          What about striker with a safety?

        5. avatar Shoot em in the dick says:

          Why would you carry a striker w a safety appendix. You carry appendix to save .0000001423 seconds off your tacticool draw. Adding a safety at least adds .000002 of time. Do you even math bra

  5. avatar Skippy Sanchez says:

    Amazingly fast response of the woman gloved up with the tourniquet. I keep one close by when I’m shooting, but not necessarily when I’m doing stuff around the house.

    1. avatar john y says:

      She was already gloved working in the background, but it was calm and quick thinking anyway.

    2. avatar Swarf says:

      She is a badass.

    3. avatar JERRY KENDRICK says:

      Exactly what I thought. She did a great job of responding.

      1. avatar LarryinTX says:

        Hm. Appendix carry. Bang. Tourniquet … on what?

    4. avatar JERRY KENDRICK says:

      Obviously, the reason you would carry a striker-fired pistol with a real safety (not the go-bang thingy in the trigger) is to prevent something like this from happening. If the trigger non-safety failed, at least there’s a chance the real safety would work. Belt AND suspenders sorta deal – you have both in case one fails. And there’s no time lost in wiping off the external safety , as you can do that safely while the pistol is being moved into firing position.

      1. avatar John Price says:

        I carry an LC9s with a thumb safety for a few reasons:

        1. I don’t like the Glock style trigger non-safety when I’m carrying with a round in the chamber. I’ve seen too many accidental discharges (and I do mean accidental). Safeties were invented for a reason, and for 60 years nearly every time I’ve pulled a trigger on a live round I’ve moved the safety to “off” first. That habit is now in my genes.
        2. I also carry a 1911 at times and having a thumb safety on my LC9s means all the same controls are in all the same places on my pistols. Everything is automatic and I don’t have to stop and think which pistol I’m using.
        3. I’m not Doc Holiday or Captain America. I don’t want the constant need for weapon awareness that a professional law enforcement officer needs to maintain. The unlikely savings of a few milliseconds to flip off a thumb safety is not a good trade-off against the lack of a manual safety and the possible mayhem that could result.

    5. avatar The Raven says:

      I think I detect a nurse in the house❤️

  6. avatar Bob h says:

    Danger of appendix carrying a striker fired handgun volume 1,586…. in all seriousness it *looked like he took care to clear his garments but he was wearing an under shirt, I can’t blame a crappy holster for this one.

  7. avatar Moltar says:

    Could be any one of a million things including he got a bad holster, sudden stiffness (never tuck behind the holster guys), his Glock suddenly decided it had enough of his junk pressing into it every time a hot blonde walked through the door. Hell maybe even junk in the holster! The world may never know.

    NOTE: The holster appears to be Kydex but I am unfamiliar with said brand of holster. If Kydex it seems unlikely something would have pressed through it and actuated the trigger.

  8. avatar Billy Bob says:

    Looks like he was playing with it before it went off. What was he doing? I don’t usually get that response when adjusting placement.

  9. avatar Wade says:

    Can’t wait to here all about how safe having no safety is. I’ve never heard SIG leg or HK Leg. Never saw revolver pull its own hammer back and fire a round in a purse. I say these things as a Glock owner. Having your safety installed of the loud switch has always given second thoughts.

    1. avatar Jonathan-Houston says:

      Ever hear of someone hooking their shot because of their revolver’s heavy trigger, missing their target, then catching their assailant’t return fire in their face and dying?

      Because that can happen, too. By then, of course, t’s too late to switch to a nice and consistent medium weight trigger of a GLOCK.

      You’ve considered that and other striker fired pistol advantages haven’t you, or do you just launch into one-sided, ignorant rants reminiscent of gun grabber reasoning?

      1. avatar Wade says:

        All kinds of stuff can or may happen with any tool or weapon. I have been around shooting sports and owning/shooting/competing/working with Glock pistols for about 31 years. I can say with total honesty that I have seen more people hurt themselves with the “safe action” pistol than just about anything. You don’t even need a errant shirt tail for this occur. Just look at the amount of videos and stories out there of people blasting themselves while trying to draw from OWB and drop downs. So I don’t see shoving said pistol in the front of my pants as a wise choice.

        Glock makes a great duty weapon. Hands down about the toughest tool out there. No questions asked it will shoot as long as you got bullets. That being said, a CCW weapon is not a duty gun. It’s for personal defense not armed assaults on the local Trap Houses. I don’t need or want a pistol with no manual safety pointed at my genitals. Seems like a bad idea and repeatedly this theory seems to test as true.

      2. avatar Wade says:

        I am not ignorant at all. In fact you are quite rude to talk to me this way. I work with firearms all day everyday as a job. I teach at a school called TYR Consulting and Training. I am for real, and you are out of line. I spend EVERYDAY at the Range for my job man.

        To be even more real let add this, I have never told you I like wheel guns. I don’t use them for much but paper weights and hunting.

        There are all kinds of guns for all kinds of applications. Just as there are all kinds of wrenches and screw drivers. Each one fit for it’s appropriate use.

        If you cannot see the safety concern with sticking the muzzle of a loaded handgun, with no manual safety at your johnson……l dunno man.

        1. avatar B says:

          Glad to hear you’re working at a range, Wade. Lord knows there ain’t enough out there.👍

          Just a friendly reminder, full size duty handguns can and are used in CCW carry every day. Local and State LE plain clothes units, detectives, and other specially assigned personnel mainly use the police department issued full-size equipment. Many of these unsung heroes also carry the same gun off-duty, CCW. Especially if a Fed LEO that typically does not have a uniformed division in their agency. I’m not debating the agency’s equipment choices on guns or holsters or even policies. Just an observation.

          Cameron did post an informative video on June 3rd about appendix carry. Some folks may agree or disagree just like any other topic under the sun.

          But I think we all have the same objectives in mind when it comes to safety in general, whether it’s guns or holsters, cars or motorcycles, you name it.

          Just another observation:

          If you choose to handle tools, then know how to use them properly and safely by knowing the tool and yourself. If you plan to use them during life saving scenarios, you owe it to yourself and to others to be on the ball and demonstrate proper discipline and skill. Or else you might end up being a “tool”.

          Then again, life is not perfect and to err is human, we should never forget that “shit happens”. One cannot foresee every curve ball thrown even though we anticipate it standing at bat. Not to mention that guy named Murphy that’s sitting behind you and launches a beer can at the back of your head.😉

          There’s all kinds of gear out there, but this is probably not a gear issue. Just like there’s great cars out there, but the driver did something different that one time, that was different than the other “thousands of times” performed in the past. It’s an awareness issue.

          It’s hard to say what made trigger contact inside his holster, but it was something. This foreign object was not noticed by the handler. Maybe this caused the gun not to seat all the way in the holster. Maybe when he bent down, his torso pushed into the backstrap of his Glock, thus applying rearward pressure on the trigger. So the gun goes off the way it’s supposed to.

          We can all speculate and criticize the gentleman. For all we know, he carries the gun for a living and has had quite a bit of training. Did anyone notice his office?

          Did anyone hear his conversation with his associate? Ironic when he talks about “Practice”.

          He chambers up with an overhand rack and his finger was above the trigger line. He doesn’t muzzle himself or anyone else when holstering. He even tops off his magazine. Ok, maybe he should have “looked” that gun right into his holster or even did a visual and physical inspection of his holster prior, yada yada yada. But this guy is not green. Maybe he’s distracted. He clearly has the wherewithal to advise his lady associate to call 911. The staff seem to handle the crisis appropriately. 🤔

          Maybe what I hear, is him talking with his buddy rather than staying focused on gearing up without distractions?

          In any event, this is a learning experience for all. Shit happens.

          But I pray he’s okay. I don’t wish that on anybody. Hopefully we can find out “The truth about THIS” and apply what we’ve learned.

          In any event, I pray all you gun handlers stay safe out there. And if you do it professionally, then lead by example. Too many haters out there that can’t find there ass in the dark with both hands.😉

          Peace!✌

      3. avatar Jack Gordon says:

        Nonsense. The solution for the problem of a long, deliberate DAO trigger is called practice. It’s cheaper and much less painful than a prolonged stay in hospital after taking one from Gaston Glock’s wundergun. And if you’re really unlucky and in love with this Austrian mistake, there could be an even longer stay in the local cemetery awaiting you.

    2. avatar Tec's Dad says:

      Right… the Sig P320 was also drop proof…ask the cop in CT who dropped his loaded, holstered P320 and it fired…

      1. avatar Wade says:

        That’s right boss.

      2. avatar Frank Rebar says:

        If that is what really happened….

        1. avatar John Price says:

          The incident has been purposely duplicated. It can happen.

  10. avatar Rick the Bear says:

    That startled the shit out of me even though I knew it was coming! Very restrained response, though. Good response from the woman. Gloves on, too.

    1. avatar Clay says:

      She already had gloves on.

    2. avatar Joe R. says:

      More videos of people getting shot, please.

      We need de-sensitization. All us crazy gun owners OFWGs / YFWGS / OFBGS / YFBGS / YSGGS . . .

  11. avatar Warlocc says:

    It was a Glock?
    Wait, I’ll try to be surprised.

    1. avatar Guillermo says:

      Surprised that a Glock fires when the trigger is pulled?

      I mean, that’s kinda exactly what I want in a gun.

  12. avatar Xcom says:

    From what I can see in the video:
    – He took his shirt and intentionally put it over the gun. Undershirt seems tucked behind holster well.
    – Glock has firing pin block, so even if the sear let go, nothing shoulda happened.
    – Unless the round in question has no marks on primer, it wasn’t a magical spontaneous powder explosion.

    My guess is a foreign object of some sort or the holster itself was pushing on the trigger. When he holstered, it didn’t go in all the way and was in the process of pulling the trigger, but was far enough in the holster that he figured it was good to go. While bending over, his abdomen pushed on the back of the gun and completed the process of pulling the trigger.

    1. avatar JasonM says:

      At 14s in, right when the older guy says “practicing”, watch the gray shirt. The victim pulls up his gray shirt, begins holstering the gun, and the gun drags the shirt down with it. It’s possible the shirt’s edge caught itself on the trigger when that happened.

      My XD-S would never do that, nor my cocked and locked 1911. Of course, I’d also never point a loaded gun at my junk and femoral artery. This dude’s lucky to still be alive…and still be a dude.

      1. avatar Geoff PR says:

        The dog is the one lucky to be alive, but he moved to the chair.

        Watch where the dog was when the video starts, then notice the direction of the muzzle when it fired.

        The dog is lucky…

      2. avatar EWTHeckman says:

        I don’t think so. Just before he walks over to where he bent over, he pulls the gray shirt over his pistol. The bottom hem is free.

      3. avatar Wade says:

        I keep trying to tell people pointing a Glock and your genitalia and walking around all day is a no go here. I am not pointing any weapon at my crotch much less one with no external safety.

    2. avatar B says:

      To Xcom:

      I think “Your Guess” is spot on.👍

  13. avatar Redstate says:

    Appendix carry is foolish, and a IWB holster that lets the muzzle protrude is not a proper holster. It allows the gun to be pushed up out of the holster.

    1. avatar Xcom says:

      Everytime I see a non enclosed muzzle IWB, I cry a little inside.

  14. avatar 22winmag says:

    He will always have a pair of big ones… even if one is missing.

  15. avatar whoopie says:

    Here we go again. Blame the mode of carry, blame the holster, blame the victim. Anything to avoid the elephant in the room: The design of the Glock trigger and guns like it makes such incidents possible.

    1. avatar DaveR says:

      Even though I think the holster is at fault here (no AIWB holster should have the bottom of the trigger guard fully exposed like it is on this model–that a prefect rout of ingress into the trigger guard when the gun is reholstered), I agree that the Glock is not ideal for such modes of carry.

    2. avatar JasonM says:

      I’d say it’s a combination of many factors: a striker fired gun (without an external safety like an XD), improper holstering technique, and possibly the open ended holster. The mode of carry was likely a big factor, as his body shifted the gun around while he bent over, but it was a bigger factor in the potential damage. Had he been carrying on the hip, he’d have put a hole in his pants and that cabinet behind him, and probably have a bad burn on his thigh/butt area. This way he put a bullet through an important leg muscle near a major artery. And even with Ms. Quick on the Tourniquet right there, he could have bled to death, because it’s hard to apply a tourniquet when the artery gets cut very close to the torso.

    3. avatar John in AK says:

      Wait. . . you mean that designing a gun that fires when you pull the trigger is a bad idea? Here, all of these years I thought that guns were SUPPOSED to fire when you pulled the trigger, and a gun that DIDN’T fire when you pulled the trigger was broken or unloaded.

      Silly me. Now I have to start all over again, and teach myself that guns are NOT supposed to fire when you pull the trigger. You learn something every day!

      Here’s just a thought. . . if Glocks are so incredibly dangerous, shooting their owners in the groins and thighs and knees constantly like they do, why are there still so many Glock owners left alive? Shouldn’t they all be dead, or at least crippled, by now? How have I survived, carrying nothing but Glocks since 1991, on duty and off, virtually every day, and haven’t maimed or killed myself hardly at all? Is it the superiority of modern emergency medicine? Or, is it possible that people can understand that pulling the trigger on a gun is a very good way of making fire, and inadvertenly doing so is not a good thing? Is this sort of thing actually such a rarity that this incident is worthy of conversation and controversy simply because it’s unusual?
      Could it be, oh, I don’t know. . . SATAN?!
      /sarc.

      1. avatar Sgt of Marines says:

        👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏😈

        1. avatar John says:

          X-com hit the nail on the head! Duh it was a Glock! Why is no one willing to admit Glocks are the most dangerous guns on the market? That little pecker on the trig is a drop safe only feature! There are three kinds of Glock owners 1. Those who have had neglect discharges. 2. Those who will.3. Those who will shoot themselves or someone else!
          Anyone who is dumb enough to carry a Glock with a chambered round deserves to have his cajones shot off, takes the stupid ones out of the reproductive cycle, not soon enough sometimes!

  16. avatar RandallOfLegend says:

    It looked like a clean holster. I’d love for an update!

  17. avatar Roger Elllison says:

    Gcode Incog holsters are not kydex…i’ve got one and there are really a hard plastic with zero give. HAD to be something IN the holster.

  18. avatar Sgt of Marines says:

    I would have to say something inside the holster pressed against the trigger. Glocks have an incredible safety record considering the number of them in use, they don’t have a reputation of going bang by themselves. The wounded man didn’t panic and the woman immediately began life saving procedures all good there. Hope we find the actual cause because that will be much more helpful than conjecture.

    1. avatar B says:

      Ooorah!👍

  19. avatar CZJay says:

    Unnamed George Washington Middle School School Resource Officer: Irresponsible Gun Owner of the Day

    My response to that post:

    How does one fire their gun without putting their finger on the trigger if they are carrying the gun in the proper holster? Aren’t most handguns designed not to go off by themselves? Okay, some Sig Sauer guns will go off, but they need a little force to do so.

    Maybe they are carrying Glocks. I have seen a few people, who carry Glocks, have their gun go off due to the trigger getting caught on something. Leather holsters or constant redrawing throughout the day.

    How about carrying without a round in the chamber? In a school environment you are likely to have enough time to draw and chamber. You can’t carry a gun like that in public because you get ambushed.

    I hear a lot of people say a manual safety on a gun is an unnecessary feature that no striker fired gun should have. I disagree with that because it does make things much safer and I am not comfortable carrying AIWB without a manual safety or a DA/SA hammer fired gun. Apparently, there are people who carry fully loaded that need a manual safety on all their guns.

    This is another example of the good old Glock going off in the holster.

    People should take their holster off, put the gun into the holster, then put the holster into their pants. If you’re too lazy you can end up without a penis.

  20. avatar Seth P. says:

    It looks like he cleared his shirt of the holster. Maybe the internals had been messed with? Some DIY gunsmithing and sanded down a little too much material?

  21. avatar DaveR says:

    That holster has a cut out the full length of the bottom of the trigger guard. A small piece of shirt could have easily gotten in there. Worse is that that portion of the holster is really hard to visually inspect because your hand is inevitably in the way while holstering.

    I’m going to just come out and say that the holster design is 100% to blame and that for IWB or AIWB you want the trigger guard to be enclosed on all sides.

    1. avatar John E> says:

      Sorry I have an incog and there is no cutout where you are talking about. That said I carry mine between 4 and 5 o’clock.

      Shirt got caught on the glocks trigger.

      1. avatar DaveR says:

        You are misunderstanding what I’m saying.

        Photos and videos of this holster are everywhere and all (ALL!) of them show that the bottom of the trigger guard areas of the holster is open and that when the gun is out of the holster there is a large gap in the trigger area of the holster. That gap means that when the gun is out of the holster, fabric/debris can enter the trigger area from not just the top but from the side. That’s a bad design.

  22. avatar tdiinva says:

    Neither an accident nor negligence. It’s faulty design on the part of Glock and everyone else who uses a Glock style trigger without an actual safety. While not very common, this happens often enough to have a name — Glock Leg. It is also another reason not carry IWB unless the pistol has some form of external safety independent of the trigger. This will not happen with Springfield XD type pistol with it’s widely disparaged grip safety. It won’t happen with an unsafed 1911. I bet our friend is now thinking “I should have bought that XD/s.

    1. avatar CZJay says:

      Don’t some models of the M&P have a manual safety?

      Funny how people complained so much that SIG made a double action polymer pistol SIG had to make a striker fired version in order for people to buy it.

      I don’t like high bore axis, thick, polymer, striker fired pistols. Polymer guns should be much thinner and have a lower bore axis than what is offered currently.

      1. avatar tdiinva says:

        Yep, It’s an option.

        The P320 and P365 are even worse than a Glock — fully cocked striker and not even a trigger safety.

    2. avatar Ed Schrade says:

      In this case instead of Glock leg it is Glock cock.

      1. avatar tdiinva says:

        Or cockless as the case may be.

    3. avatar Brian says:

      I disagree. It’s negligence to choose to use a tool before you know how to use it safely or to disregard safe practices. It’s not the tool’s fault. If you can’t use it safely, get a different tool, but it isn’t the tool’s fault. The Glock is designed to go bang each and every time the trigger is pulled. It did. Not Glock’s problem that this guy allowed the trigger to get pulled while it was in his pants.

      1. avatar tdiinva says:

        The fact that if he were carrying an XD/s we would not be having this discussion refutes your statement. The possibility that clothing could get caught inside the trigger guard is part of the operating environment. The Glock style trigger design without some form of external safety does not take into account an important part of the operating environment. Therefore it is a deficient design.

        1. avatar Brian says:

          My original comment included the statement “If you can’t use it safely, get a different tool, but it isn’t the tool’s fault.” That isn’t refuted by saying if our negligent gun owner had gotten a [fill in the blank different tool], this might not have happened. It’s his responsibility to use the tools he chose safely.

          Glock’s design isn’t “deficient” for me or the several other thousands upon thousands that choose to use their tools safely. The “operating environment” is, especially in this case, entirely up to the carrier. He chose the firearm, the holster, the pants, belt, and shirts he wore with his holster, and he chose how he was going to reholster. It’s still on him. I’m sure you could sell him on a XD, but unless he starts being more careful, I’m sure he could find a way to shoot himself with that too.

    4. avatar John in AK says:

      “While not very common. . . ”

      I think that that pretty well sums it up, don’t you?

  23. avatar EJQ says:

    Interesting. I was wondering why he needed a round in the chamber, at first glance. Was he worried about the dog or his co-workers? Playing the video again and looking at background it seems like a messy back office of a gun shop or gun range. Too much paper thrown about to be the front of a gun shop.

    IMO, accident. His fault, not the gun’s. He’s talking while loading the round in the chamber, and not paying too much attention to the gun or the holster.

    1. avatar Geoff PR says:

      “Playing the video again and looking at background it seems like a messy back office of a gun shop or gun range.”

      Looked to me like an upscale suburban police sub-station…

      1. avatar Leighton Cavendish says:

        Looks like a gun shop or range…accessories on the wall…Glock signs on the wall…

      2. avatar B says:

        But there’s no need to call 911 if you’re in a Police Substation.

    2. avatar Jay in Florida says:

      Carrying a gun with an empty chamber is a great way to get yourself killed.
      Vid on another blog yesterday showed a guy getting killed trying to chamber a round on his gun as he was drawing it during a robbery.

    3. avatar The Raven says:

      Why would you carry an unloaded gun?

    4. avatar B says:

      Solid Assessment.👏

  24. avatar Ed Covelli says:

    Accident, he wasn’t breaking any of the safety rules. However, was the trigger modified or stock. Also, not a fan of appendix carry, especially in that location.

    1. avatar Geoff PR says:

      “Accident, he wasn’t breaking any of the safety rules.”

      Really?

      One of those rules is to never let the muzzle point at something you are unwilling to destroy.

      On the other hand, we don’t know, but he may have been in the process of gender transition and was looking to save some money on the surgery… 😉

      1. avatar B says:

        Never allow your muzzle to cover anything you’re not willing to destroy…like your holster, range bag, gun safe, vehicle, or that new hardwood floor. 😝

  25. avatar JG says:

    Most impressed with the woman’s calm and prepared response. Thinking he had clothing that got caught in the holster, negligent.

    1. avatar B says:

      Like I mentioned before in this post, those folks are not green. They’re prepared for emergencies. The gentleman was not fumbling around while gearing up. He’s a lefty, and charged his gun away from the others including the dog, with trigger finger above the trigger line.

      He was most likely not entirely focused while gabbing with his associate. He probably failed to identify any obstruction, however slight, in his holster or his gun improperly seated.

      Bending at the waist most like caused his torso to push his gun deeper, thus forcing the gun to do it’s job.

      My guess is inattention.

      Like many experienced drivers on the road, this time around, was costly. Shit happens.

      Just glad it wasn’t worse.

  26. avatar Ben says:

    Might have been a good time for one of those useless grip safeties, huh guys? wait… do we still hate Springfield?

    1. avatar Omer says:

      I do.

      1. avatar tdiinva says:

        Do hate them enough to trade away your manhood? /S

        1. avatar Geoff PR says:

          “Do hate them enough to trade away your manhood? /S”

          Well, the gun wasn’t a Springfield, and he nearly lost his manhood… 😉

        2. avatar Dave says:

          You are naïve in assuming a grip safety would have prevented this. If something got near the trigger and he eventually drew the pistol, that alone could cause a ND. It just happened to go off before this happened. Oh, and a grip safety on a striker fired pistol is still the most retarded thing ever no matter what you think. Just another part that can fail and get you killed.

  27. avatar Bigus Dickus says:

    1). Never for any reason appendix carry.
    2). If you want a holster, Sneaky Pete is the way to go.

    1. avatar Geoff PR says:

      “1). Never for any reason appendix carry.”

      It’s not a problem when the weapon has a long, heavy, DAO trigger pull.

      Like the Ruger LCR…

      1. avatar Bigus Dickus says:

        Interestingly, you’re confirming it is a dangerous mode of carry.

  28. avatar Jonathan-Houston says:

    That looked staged. Interestingly, I haven’t seen it reported anywhere else.

    1. avatar CLarson says:

      Could be just coincidence, but it’s weird how everything happened right in front of the camera. Woman is very calm too. Are we sure this is not the start of a training film?

      1. avatar Geoff PR says:

        “Are we sure this is not the start of a training film?”

        I’m pretty confident it’s not, based on how his pants ‘jumped’ when the shot fired.

        No way in Hell would I even *attempt* to stage something like that.

        On the other hand, It *ought* to be the part of a safety training film as a demonstration of what can happen when you carry appendix a striker-fired gun…

  29. avatar Get Smart says:

    Appendix carry violates one of the four basic gun safety rules: never point the muzzle at anything you do not wish to destroy. Too many know-it-alls think otherwise. They forget that the four rules were designed off of many generations of sad experiences such as this one.

    1. avatar Dan says:

      Get Smart you are Incorrect. The four rules of gun safety only apply when HANDLING a firearm.

      If not pocket holsters would automatically violate the rules when you sit down. OWB or IWB would violate the rules when bending over or on the second floor. Shoulder rigs would also violate the rules as they are pointing at anyone in back of you.

      In Canada, safety checks use the PROVE method. Take a look at the E

      Point the firearm in a safe direction;
      Remove all ammunition;
      Observe the chamber;
      Verify the feeding path;
      Examine the bore for obstructions.

      When you clean certain firearms like AR’s you must dry fire. Does that violate rule 1 and 3?

      Context.

      1. avatar B says:

        To Dan:

        You are correct, Sir!

        That’s why the correct title is “The 4 Rules of Safe Gun Handling”.

        Rule #2 needs to be understood within its proper context.

        If you “do not allow your muzzle to cover anything you are not willing to destroy”… Then you violate this rule whenever you put your firearm in a holster, range bag, gun safe, vehicle, or carry it over that new hardwood floor.

        Or how about when you need to inspect the bore of an empty revolver with its cylinder displaced from the it’s frame?🤔

        When a loaded firearm is holstered or stored properly for “emergency access”, it is for all intents and purposes “safe and secure”, since it is no longer capable of being “handled openly”. Emphasis on the word “Properly”.

        Wether it’s a holster, gun bag, or quick access gun box, the loaded firearm is temporarily being transported or stowed until drawn from its carrier.

        The carrier is typically a protective barrier if built and used properly to prevent the loaded defensive firearm from firing inadvertently due to outside forces. Whether it’s on you or somewhere else.

        Once the firearm is being handled outside of this environment, awareness and proper skills are paramount. Wether being drawn or holstered.

        If one has their reaction hand in front of their muzzle during the draw stroke or re-holstering, obviously this is very bad. Once the gun is secured in its holster, it should be ok, when done PROPERLY. However, there are no absolutes.

        For example; a leather holster’s hammer strap that doesn’t pivot away from its opening may have a memory curve that sometimes gets in the way while re-holstering. It’s possible that the strap finds it’s way into the trigger guard. When the unaware handler seats their firearm all the way back in…boom!

        This gets to be a tricky task especially if one is trained to not look at their holster when re-holstering because their eyes are up, paying attention to their environment. This keen sense of awareness may be hindered right after a shooting when one is experiencing the adrenaline dump.

        This is old info and advanced techniques and gear have evolved. But, depending on a lot of variables, who’s to say what a handler inadvertently does with their gear under normal or extraordinary circumstances.

        There have also been times when folks have failed to de-cock a DA/SA handgun or re-engage their SA handgun prior to re-holstering, both in training and battle, only to notice their mistake after the fact. They might not be able to even lock the gun back into it’s security holster. But, the gun still doesn’t discharge. Yet mistakes were made regardless. Both examples suggest human error and a lack of awareness.

        In this case, something had to have lodged in front of the trigger or cause a snag. This foreign object may have had no where else to go or undo itself. But force from the handlers torso most likely pushed down a high-seated pistol. Is it the gun or gear? Maybe neither. Maybe what caused the obstruction was too slight to detect at the time. Failure to notice?

        Hopefully we can get the real scoop.

        Rule # 2 is about muzzle awareness when handling the gun. But I can understand how some folks opine otherwise, just like there’s always debate about Glock’s and IWB holsters. Some say “Never” to either and that’s fine.

        But here’s some food for thought;

        When one carries a gun around their waist and the gun is PROPERLY secured, wether it’s an inside or outside holster, can we still laser ourself unintentionally once in awhile?

        I’ve noticed that when wearing “full duty gear”, the gun on one’s hip often lasers their leg or foot when kneeling or squatting. We see this in range training as well as field work. Even when just making a physical arrest on a resisting suspect. Muzzle angles get really crazy with multiple officers fighting on the ground. Even if you’re not an officer, it’s possible to be in these positions.

        Just saying.😉

  30. avatar Jay in Florida says:

    Appendix carry has to be one of the stupidest ways to carry any gun. Especially a striker fired gun with no safety.
    Mexican carry being the dumbest. And I have almost zero trust in that method.
    Except for maybe in a deep cover situation. That no civilian is in or should be anyway.
    I don’t want a muzzle anywhere near my jewels.
    That is one lucky guy.
    Had to be the shirt tucked in the trigger guard as many have stated.
    Everyone including himself kept there heads on their shoulders. Also surprising.

  31. avatar DJ says:

    I hate Glocks. I’m not pointing a gun at my junk or the femoral artery. I don’t care what went wrong. Just knowing it can happen is enough.

    RULE #2. Yes I’m screaming!

  32. avatar RA-15 says:

    Ouch. Thank God no one was killed , or paralyzed etc. He could have lost important parts. Hope he recovers well.

  33. avatar Model 31 says:

    I would have died right there, right then…blood everywhere. There is no way it would’ve missed my junk and no tourniquet thank-you…and I used to have a dog that would have run right through the wall after that shot.

  34. avatar TX223 says:

    AIWB is in contravention of LT COL Jeff Coopers 2nd law…

    2. Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy!

    So, it’s a failure of the system.
    I do agree however holster, then insert holster IWB. He looked a little distracted talking. The same could happen at 3 o’clock position. It does point out a weakness of many Kydex holster designs regarding not completely covering the trigger guard to prevent perephial ifiltration of garmets.

  35. avatar Cisco kid 2.0 says:

    Guys common… we know out just went off by itself like all guns are want to do.

    1. avatar Paul McMichael says:

      The thing that frustrates a leftist the most is to ignore them making them irrelevant. Suggesting everyone do so. No matter what the version.

    2. avatar LarryinTX says:

      “wont”. Just sayin’.

  36. avatar strych9 says:

    No comment on what happened as I don’t know what caused the discharge (he said to his doctor, ewwww).

    What I do know is that AIWB is a carry style I have never been comfortable with. Also, homeboy is about to take his pants off for that lady, which might be something he wanted but I doubt these are his preferred circumstances.

  37. avatar NJ2AZ says:

    to each their own, but i would never ever ever ever ever carry anywhere from about 10:00 to 2:00 on my body.

    8:00 iwb (i’m lefty)…ease of access…never gets in the way when sitting/bending/etc. can’t imagine a reason to move it to the front…

  38. avatar GS650G says:

    I’m voting for appendix carry with shirt on the trigger as the cause. If it was on his hip and he bent down it still may have gone off but probably not hit him.

  39. avatar Gary Stuart says:

    If you train correctly and consistently, then empty chamber carry is the way to go…it is safe and
    personally I can match many of my colleagues in draw speed…at least give it a try before throwing
    away your weapon.

    1. avatar The Raven says:

      Bullshit. Or you run around with arthritic seniors.

    2. avatar Tommy says:

      It’s impossible for two comparably fast people to draw present and fire at the same speed if one of has extra steps.

      1. avatar Ssgt Bob says:

        Maybe you should go shoot with the Israeli military before you make a statement that has already been proven wrong. Or to a quick draw competition where they shoot using the left hand to activate the hammer. I have seen both scenarios to make what you said fall flat on claim.

  40. avatar skiff says:

    He should have taken the holster off, put the gun in the holster and then place the holster on his body.

  41. avatar Joseph Nelson says:

    Notice he holsters it but then he had to adjust his hands and press with both this thumbs to get it to “click” into retention. If his holster was clear the gun should slide in and click into retention with your normal force. That should have been a huge red flag and caused anyone to take pause and check everything out completely.

  42. avatar former water walker says:

    It’s a Glock with no safety…but it’s “safe action” sooooooo😧😎😖

  43. avatar Gun Free School Zones are a crime against humanity says:

    j frame hammerless Smith 442 is about as safe and murphy proof as it gets. Never gets tucked into the front of my pants near the boys. Just doesn’t happen. Ever.

    I like semi’s that have double action and a safety.

    You do you and I’ll do me. That’s me.

    1. avatar Paul McMichael says:

      Hard to argue with that. Been carrying a 442 for 25 years. No issues. Keep talking about a 43, but…

  44. avatar JCM says:

    You have to be careful when you reholster. The Incog is a solid peace of gear, the Glock didn’t go off by itself, his shirt or a piece of clothing got hung up and engaged the trigger. Fight like you train, AIWB isn’t for everyone but is a great way to conceal and easy to draw and engage.

  45. avatar txJM says:

    Another retard ignores Rule #2, which is literally posted at every commercial range and incorporated gun club.

    Must be one of the Camden Mafia dorks, or a VSO YouTube student.

  46. avatar Joey Bee says:

    For me, Best practice with AIWB carry is to holster the gun and then place the gun and holster as an assembly into my pants. How many times has he practiced holstering like that with a “Dry” gun to be sure it and he are safe?

  47. avatar cisco kid says:

    WARNING GRAPHIC PICTURES OF A MAN WHO ACCIDENTALLY SHOT HIMSELF WHILE HIS GLOCK WAS IN HIS HOLSTER. IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.

    http://seanlinnane.blogspot.com/2011/03/glock-accidental-discharge.html

    The Glock although classified as a double action certainly is not in any stretch of the imagination as it is basically a pre-cocked single action mechanism. Accidentally snag the trigger and it fires right off and it happens every day with Glocks and copy cat guns like the Glock. No one but Jethro Bodine and his fellow Morons would carry a Glock or any other striker fired pistol that did not have a manual safety added on to it.

    There are many stories of Cops accidentally shooting people with their Glocks and often with fatal results. There are many horrific stories of mothers being killed when their kids pulled a Glock out of their purse or reached from behind them and pulled one out of its holster as when the one pro-gun mom was driving in her van with her kid seated behind her when she was shot in the back or the lady at the Convenience store where her 2 year old reached into her purse and pulled out her gun and shot her in the head. I could go on and on but all this proves that if guns fell under the consumer safety laws guns like the Glock would never have been allowed on the market and many dead people would now still be alive.

    The latest Glock model was recalled this summer , oops I mean UPGRADE because we are all too stupid to know they are one and the same. THE REASON; SAME PROBLEM Glock has had for years. A hard drop and the slide falls off the plasticky frame when it flexes on impact. Glock went through 3 modifications of the slide rails and this time proves they still did not get it right.

    THROATING; If you want to experience the thrill of a handgun blowing up in you face the Glock is the one that will give this thrill to you. It can and does fire out of battery. Doubt my word, take a primed case without powder or bullet and let the slide run “almost” closed and then pull the trigger. It will occasionally fire right off. Not every time depending on how far the slide is still open and depending on the sensitivity and the hardness of the primer but yes it does happen. Just be glad you did not try it with a loaded round unless you want to blow yourself up. All this means that a dirty Glock that has its slide not fully close when shooting it could just result in it going ATOMIC on you.

    Check out the underside of the slide. You will find an open channel that the striker rides in. Perfect for letting in dirt, burnt power or excess lube.

    Check out the bottom of the grip and see the hole that leads right to the inner sanctum of the guns guts, perfect for letting in dust and dirt under combat conditions.

    Check on the anemic ignition system and compare it to a hammer fired gun like the Beretta 92. Pre-loaded striker fired systems have extremely weak ignition systems. Seat a high primer in a case, no powder and no bullet. Try and set it off. It will not happen people. Now try the same test with the bone crushing blow of the hammer fired Beretta 92, it will drive the primer to the bottom of its socket and still have enough energy to set it off each and every time no matter how hard the primer is. Now that is reliability.

    Try carrying a Glock in your coat pocket without a holster (empty of course unless you plan on committing suicide) and see how long it takes of the guns striker to trip off because there is no manual safety. Recently I saw an off duty cop from Columbus Ohio in a security video. He was on an elevator with his wife and attempted to take the Glock out of one pocket and put it in the opposite coat pocket and as you may have guessed the safety less Glock fired right off and he shot himself. I could give you add infinitum of similar accidents, many with Police Officers but why repeat the same story over and over again.

    Glock factory plasticky sights are pure junk and will break off or wear down with too many holster presentation unless the holster has a sight track.

    No way to un-cock the Glock unless you take the round out of the chamber first.

    No easily visible loaded chamber indicator and no the extractor sticking out 1/32 of an inch just does not get it.

    Take down system is an accident waiting to happen. Just forget just one time not to check the chamber and you must pull the trigger to take it down. Even Tarzan’s Cheetah the Monkey could have designed a safer take down system. Compare that to the Beretta 92 that makes you lock the slide open which would eject any loaded round you forgot to take out of the gun.

    And lets not forget the wonderful trigger pull on Glocks, its so long and creepy that even Nostradamus could not predict exactly when it will go off.

    1. avatar Pancho says:

      Are you the real or faux Cisco?

    2. avatar Dano says:

      Every single one of your “stories” has a gun going off because someone pulled the trigger.

      That’s what they’re made to do.

  48. avatar Ranger Rick says:

    I love the way he tosses that Glock away like he’ll never carry it again.

  49. avatar Ben Keyser says:

    I know one thing. I am days away from ordering a glock 43. Now I am not! Strictly for concealed. Nope, By my side at work every night yes, this video ended my concealed glock aspirations

  50. avatar Dan says:

    Odds are very high that something was caught in the trigger guard while the gun was being holstered. And being a Glock said gun WILL GO OFF when the trigger is pulled. I like Glocks….I even carry one during the winter….when I can wear it OWB and keep it concealed…in a quality holster. However I will NEVER IWB a weapon that is striker fired and has no safety other than the trigger. Mr. Murphy is real and his visits can be very bad. While it is remotely possible that the weapon in question is defective it is far far far morel likely that the gun did what it was designed to do…..discharge when the trigger was pulled. The gun doesn’t know or care what pulled the trigger or if said pull was intentional or accidental.

  51. avatar Ado Chhristian says:

    Striker fired guns are inherently unsafe by design. I will not own one.

    1. avatar Sean says:

      Same here.

  52. avatar California Kid says:

    Was this guy using a left handed holster? Or did he insert a glock left handed into a right handed holster? The glock seemed to be sitting pretty high after he holstered it.

  53. avatar MLee says:

    Effing strikers!! I just can’t wrap my head around strikers and I no longer even try. I won’t own one. I want a hammer! My Sig has a hammer! You have to pull hard for that first squeeze. I like that. That’s what I’ve been doing for the past 40 years. Oh and like I have been saying for years now, f*** GLOCK!

    1. avatar Ben Keyser says:

      Isnt the Sig P365 a striker fire?

      1. avatar txJM says:

        Where did he say anything about a P365?

  54. avatar John Q Public says:

    Good thing it wasn’t a .45 acp 😱💥!

  55. avatar Richard Warden says:

    This right here is why I don’t care inside waistband. I have noticed a trend that guys see and think it’s cool. At work it’s on my hip outside waistband so I carry outside waistband when off.

  56. avatar KEL3 says:

    Looked like a Gcode Incog Eclipse holster with shirt guard. I have this same holster and it definatively will not collapse nor bend. These holsters are injected molded plastic and not heat bent kydex so it produces a nice smooth contoured pocket, no sharp corners. I personally think the simplest answer is the most likely…..something pulled the trigger. I always holster owb and then tuck.

  57. avatar Ted says:

    I think he just want the girl,to play with his junk.😀

  58. avatar Nova says:

    I blame H&K, because the P7 design makes AD/ND impossible. They should have kept and expanded on the P7 tech.

    1. avatar KEL3 says:

      I agree, all hail the P7. May have to start carrying mine again.

  59. avatar 41mag says:

    What about a Kahr? Striker but long DA-style trigger?

    1. avatar Kenneth Stephens says:

      Or a walther P99AS. DA/SA striker fired with a decocker.

      1. avatar FOAMY says:

        Both of you are my kind of people, CM9 and P99 in AS mode for me.

  60. avatar Christopher House says:

    Negligent Discharge.
    Not to dis anyone for how they carry, but to think logically.
    Accidents don’t happen. They are preventable.
    Research the causes of negligent discharges versus accidental discharges and you’ll find investigation reports, and individual accounts will confirm that at anytime a gun was unintentionally discharged, it was because the handler was distracted.
    Furthermore, a gun has one purpose, and that purpose is to destroy whatever it is pointed and discharged at. So there is an inherent risk of bodily or property harm when one carries no matter the location of the carried gun, and that risk increases many times over when a handler is distracted during gun handling.
    I would like to read the investigation report and then interview this individual to see what was on his mind for the day, and in that moment when he had that gun in his hand, as he manipulated it into that holster. Also curious of what was thrown to the floor first, and I can only assume because of the quality of the video the second object thrown down was the gun. Too, had this person had any professionally supervised training for carry, or gun ownership safety, including range testing certificate of completion? If there was self maintenance ongoing live fire training, how often, and to what extent? This would include critical mentoring during pistol draw and holstering, muscle control, targeting (sight picture), breakdown, cleaning, parts identification and their purpose, function before, during, and after discharge, reassembly. Then there is the knowledge of ammunition.
    Get my drift?!
    If this person was highly trained…
    That’s scary! Sorry ya got hurt, and hope you share your story to help others reduce their chances of negligence. Investigate the wrong, and make it right.
    If this person was not highly trained…
    Thats scary! Sorry ya got hurt, and hope you share your story to help others reduce their chances of negligence. You were flat wrong for carrying and handling outside the range without supervision. That was your negligence!

    1. avatar SpeleoFool says:

      Second object thrown appears to be the (empty) holster, which would make the first one the gun.

  61. avatar DSmith2 says:

    Glock. Frickin guns without safeties sometimes go off “unexpectedly”. Frickin duh.

  62. avatar Tmib says:

    “If you don’t have +1 in the chamber, it puts you in danger and you shouldn’t even carry a gun.”

    Well, the dude in the video had +1 in the chamber and carried, yet he got trouble for that. Had +1 in the chamber, got -1 ball.

    Yet +1 fans passionately hate those who carry with empty chamber. :-/

  63. avatar Bobo says:

    All the comments on this were great, but it all boils down to one thing:

    My Way Is Right, Your Way Is Wrong!

  64. avatar Zone says:

    Somebody shot himself at a local indoor range holstering his gun last year. Of course no details were published. The rumor was he was a secureity guard who shot himself in the leg with a revolver. The only way you do that with a revolver is you have the hammer pulled back as you holster it, which is idiotic.

  65. avatar RayS says:

    I just dont get the vitriol in some of the comments. Agree or not on safety or effectiveness of AIWB, or striker fired pistols, 99% of the readers here are on the same side of the gun debate. Maybe Im naive, but I kinda expected a little more cIvility. Our battle is tough enough, even tougher if we dont respect each other. Oh yea, IMHO.

  66. avatar FlamencoD says:

    One of the many reasons I like to carry an XDs-9. When I holster, I insert the gun lightly with a full grip, make sure nothing is caught in the trigger guard, then I push the gun into place on the back of the slide, not the grip. That way, if something is caught in the trigger guard that I didn’t see, I have peace of mind it won’t ND. That said, anyone who appendix carries is knowingly and intentionally breaking one of the 4 gun rules (never point the gun at something you aren’t willing to destroy). The few folks who are defending appendix carry are flat wrong.

  67. avatar Sean says:

    Remember the last time someone shot themself bending over while carrying a DA pistol? Me neither.

    1. avatar LarryinTX says:

      Pretty sure Glocks claim to be DAO.

  68. avatar Thomas says:

    Pretty simple problem to avoid IMHO…. don’t reholster without removing the holster first. Then holster the pistol and put the holster back in your pants…. that’s why INCOGs and other nice holsters come with RCS hooks. I carry AIWB and there is no way I’d reholster without first removing the holster. Takes all of 5 seconds to do it that way.

    After watching this, I still have no qualms with carrying my Glock 19 AIWB.

    1. avatar Steve A. says:

      Doesn’t matter if you re-holster the way you decribe. Your counting on never having an AD. But hey, if your willing to risk blowing off your junk or ventilating your femoral artery, go ahead. In the case of the latter you have 30 seconds till you lose consciousness. But on the bright side you’ll win a Darwin award..

  69. avatar NWA18 says:

    SA, round chambered, “safe action” (I use the term loosely) trigger. No thanks. I’ll take my CM-9, DAO, round chambered, any day in a Smart Carry holster. To each his/her own though.

  70. avatar Pierre Duelz says:

    Being a perpetual skeptic I always look for the signs that reveal the counterfeit. Here the reactions don’t seem to be what I would expect in a real incident like this. No signs of panic whatsoever by anyone. There is not much surprise or knee-jerk at such a loud unexpected sound by the bystanders. The woman doesn’t go to check on him, but casually walks to a bag that conveniently has a tourniquet. She hardly looks at him and finally addresses him as she gets close to him. Where’s the typical “Oh my God! Michael, are you ok?” Also convenient that she already has surgical gloves on. The other man just stands at the table unfazed and emotionless, then moves as if knowing his cue is coming to call 911. Where’s the normal rush toward the person injured and screaming? Works out well that everyone is facing the camera and nothing is out of its range, except his hand under the counter! This does appear to be the office of a gun store or range. People who handle guns know that you don’t throw a loaded gun on the floor, specially if it has just discharged accidentally and still has rounds in it. Lastly, shoot a decent size round straight down into a ceramic tile floor and there should be obvious damage. I couldn’t see any. The victim could have had a blank gun planted under the counter that he fires, conveniently obstructed from the camera. It also appears that he is hesitating to fully drop his pants. If you’ve been shot you want to see where immediately. Well it wouldn’t be far fetched for gun store/range owners to offer safety classes and to make a video to show what can happen. It all looked rehearsed to me. Just my observations.

    1. avatar Kevin says:

      Agreed. Somethings not right here.

  71. avatar Tommy Mac says:

    What is the 3rd item he brings out of his pants and throws just as the video cuts off at :50?

    1. avatar Captain Insano says:

      His junk.

  72. avatar Tommy Mac says:

    G-CODE INCOG OWNERS!!! Do y’all think it is possible that the owner may have lost the top retention screw that holds the holsters belt clip on under the trigger guard (I’ve had this happen numerous times with various holsters before I started using red “Loctite” to keep them in). If so, would this have allowed the gun to be pressed too far into the holster allowing a piece of the holster to press the trigger? Most holsters have a pinch in the kydex just behind the front of the trigger guard that works to retain the gun in the holster. Could that have been what pressed the trigger IF the gun was capable of being pushed too far into the holster? Is this the holster (INCOG IWB), or was he using the Eclipse version? Maybe someone who owns one of these holsters could run some tests for us to see. https://www.tacticalholsters.com/product/incog-iwb-holster-system/

  73. avatar Ben Doss says:

    Is it possible to see the actual holster? Anyone get a hold of the guy yet to see the holster… if its been modified, if it had some sort of failure?

  74. avatar Chuck Haggard says:

    The derp and retardery in the comments on this one is simply stunning.

    Dunning-Kruger is rampant in the gun world. It’s incredibly sad.

  75. avatar Will says:

    Appendix carry = idiot.

  76. avatar Harold says:

    Gcode mounts are shit. They are over tightened until sheered off. That and incorrect mounting hardware is supplied. Likely a huge hardware failure. For proof call or email gcode about ANYTHING.. they will not respond. Google gcode customer service problems and see thousands of complaints. Social media is also filled with pleas for a response from customers which are ignored.

  77. avatar Die FliperMas says:

    The Glock cannot fire without manual intervention by the operator. This intervention may be unintentional, but the Glock cannot have its striker spring compressed and sear released without depressing the trigger fully. It is mechanically impossible for the Glock to fire by itself. It is possible for a round to go off spontaneously but in 40 years of training people in the defensive use of firearms I have never seen this happen.

    It is not clear exactly what happens in this video. It appears that the operator properly holstered his weapon. It appears that he does not have an obstruction in the holster or a loose garment that gets into the trigger guard. It appears that he inserts the pistol fully into the holster. It appears that he did everything correctly.

    If I were investigating this in preparation for giving expert testimony (what I do) I would need more data before I could draw any conclusions or offer any root cause analysis.

    Any conclusions drawn from the little information contained in this video are not likely to be correct. Lastly, it is possible that this has been staged. Any good video editor could have put the gunshot sound into the mix at the proper moment. The 9mm round is capable of penetrating the man’s lower abdomen and would therefore have hit something else in the gun shop. There is no evidence of the bullet exiting the man’s body

    1. avatar Philip says:

      YES, a Glock can fire without anyone or anything pulling the trigger, due to a mechanical malfunction. Insufficient cruciform/striker engagement, coupled with a faulty or clogged firing pin block, and when the guy bent he twisted the gun and slide just enough for it to go Bang!

      This could happen for a whole lot of reasons: worn or out-of-specs parts, wrong, out-of-specs or mismatched aftermarket parts, lint accumulation.

      When you understand how this particular gun works, and how little engagement between parts that are on different main components (cruciform on frame, striker on slide) keeps things from going off, you’ll see that it doesn’t take much for the whole thing to become an AD waiting to happen.

      Add aftermarket trigger bars, firing pin plungers, firing pins, springs, and so on to the mix, and you have the potential for exactly what we see in this video.

      1. avatar Die FliperMas says:

        Philip: Your assessment is incorrect. The Glock cannot fire without manual intervention. It is mechanically impossible for the gun to fire without the striker spring compressed and the sear released. Both of these actions are performed by pressing the trigger fully.

        Reciprocating the slide does not compress the striker spring or engage the sear. Those actions are performed by the trigger assembly alone. The firing pin block prevents the firing pin from functioning unless the trigger is fully depressed.

        The video that has sparked this heated debate has so many incongruities that it is likely staged.

      2. avatar Die FliperMas says:

        The Glock cannot fire without manual intervention. It is mechanically impossible for the gun to fire without the striker spring compressed and the sear released. Both of these actions are performed by pressing the trigger fully.

        Reciprocating the slide does not compress the striker spring or engage the sear. Those actions are performed by the trigger assembly alone. The firing pin block prevents the firing pin from functioning unless the trigger is fully depressed.

        The video that has sparked this heated debate has so many incongruities that it is likely staged.

        1. avatar Philip says:

          With a round in the chamber, the Glock is partially cocked. Pulling the trigger finishes to fully cock the striker before releasing it, but even in its partially cocked position the striker has enough energy to set off a round.

          If the cruciform is worn, has been tampered with, or is out of specs, it can release the striker without the trigger being pulled. The firing pin block is supposed to intercept the striker/firing pin on its way, but this FPB can be jammed out of position for various reasons – and one wouldn’t notice because this jam does not interfere with normal function.

  78. avatar capt D says:

    The lady already had gloves on and the dog seemed to see it coming. Plus the reaction from the older guy was to just stand there without running over to check for injury.
    Any chance this was staged?

    1. avatar Joe R. says:

      She was way too tall for the movies. Although there was no flash in the pants or smoke.

      Hmmmm.. . .

  79. avatar Joe R. says:

    After any ND to the junk, draw your gat, and spike it on the ground. Then spike your holster on the ground.

    note to self: in a ND crotch-self-assault, make sure you know how to get your pants down quicker.

    1. avatar Tommy says:

      Cobra buckle and Velcro fly help. Maybe tactical breakaway pants is an untapped market.

      1. avatar Joe R. says:

        definitely an un double-tapped market.

  80. avatar Tommy says:

    The “trigger safety” is not a safety per say in the traditional since as so many people commenting here seem to think. It’s a drop safety only. I will say, though, that I routinely carry my M&P Shield (w/ external safety) appendix and feel perfectly fine like that.

  81. avatar Cknarf says:

    “Small of the back carry can cause back injury if you fall.”

    Yeah? Well at least I don’t gotta worry about shooting my dick off.

  82. avatar brady says:

    Well, hopefully he won’t have to join the women’s division of the three gun match competitions.

  83. avatar Papa D says:

    A lot of Monday morning quarterbacking goin on here.

  84. avatar Jason says:

    Personal opinion. I just don’t like my gun right there. Sure it can be a quick way to draw and much easy to hide, but it means I need to be even more careful when holstering the gun. If I wear an undershirt and my usual carry is 3 to 4 o clock and even with that, I am careful as to not let my shirt inside the holster. This applies no matter what gun I carry.

  85. avatar creth haas says:

    I’m new to the gun world 2 year’s sincere I purchased my first gun. There are so many opinions about carring that no matter what one comment’s about it’s always in most people’s eyes wrong . The only thing I know is safety always comes first in anything I do from driving my car to crossing the street or carrying a gun. I would not own any firearm that didn’t have a safety WHY well that’s pretty simple to help avoid accidents Just like this One. I know that so many gun people out there have there own stinking opinion that it never ends the argument. I promise you this I can carry my gun with one in the chamber the hammer back and my safety always on, pull it and fire Just within a millisecond of the guy who doesn’t carry with any safety. Is carring with a safety 100% full proof of an accident happening no of course not we are human’s and all human’s make mistakes just like this guy did, was this his fault of neglect ? That’s the million dollar question not enough information to say!!!! If I was a beting man I would have to say most likely it was. He was in a hurry or he just forgot something.

  86. avatar Jason says:

    Well I sure am heartened by the level of vitriol in these comments. Here I was thinking we were all on the same side as responsible gun owners, clearly not.

    Those who insist that carrying IWB at 4-5 o’clock eliminates the chance of muzzling yourself should get a training pistol with a laser illuminator, holster it OWB and move around and find out what actually happens in real life.

    Still shaking my head at these comments. Hell.

    1. avatar DaveDetroit says:

      Agreed. I think people are emotional bcz 1) there is no definitive cause for the ND- we don’t know what REALLY happened, and that’s scary. 2) Fear that others will endanger us by acting like idiots with their guns. There’s an indoor range near me that I won’t go to anymore due to the bullet holes all around where shooters stand to fire at targets. In the roof, the floor, the small walls separating shooters. The range lacks a safety officer and there are obvious problems with the clientele. I don’t want to be around idiots mishandling their weapons.

      Rewatching the video it appears the victim appears distracted and unfocused on his weapon when racking it and bolstering. Carrying in any other position when doing an activity requiring bending may have prevented the ND (or may not have since we really don’t know the cause).

      1. avatar Jason says:

        Well I think everything you said is right. However, being nervous about seeing what might have been a malfunction or could have been a foreign object in a holster, etc., is no excuse whatsoever for starting to bash a specific type of weapon, a specific manufacturer or a specific type of carry that is practiced safely by tens of thousands of citizens daily.

        Yet that is what we are seeing happening.

        If this is what we’ve got in the fight against those who want to deprive us of our rights, we are seriously screwed…. because if we’re going to fight amongst ourselves insisting that you have to be a “moron” to carry one style over another or you have to be a “moron” to carry a striker fired pistol with no external safety with one in the chamber then we are already done.

        There’s NO WAY for a pistol to fire if the trigger is covered by a solid material holster that properly covers the trigger guard area… yet magically this one did, we just need to better understand how it happened.

  87. avatar Sean Lowe says:

    Unless the gentlemans firearm never seated itself fully when he racked the slide. Then when bending over his weight allowed the slide to move forward causing a firing pin malfunction? I’ve seen it happen before.

  88. avatar Ansel Hazen says:

    I CCW a striker fired Steyr in a nice leather holster OWB. As Arc said early on CONDITION THREE.
    No striker fired pistol can ND without a round in the chamber PERIOD. Anyone who does invites this kind of tragedy and possibly worse.

  89. avatar DaveDetroit says:

    Some great comments. But what I take away from this is to match my carry method to my activities. I carry differently when driving than hiking. I always avoid putting pressure on my carry piece and holster regardless of position.

    Was it just yesterday the video of the FBI agent doing flips while carrying ultimately resulting in a negligent discharge causing injury to a bystander?

    When I owned a machine shop very few injuries were the result of using equipment properly. When you don’t respect equipment things can and will go wrong.

    For myself, I wouldn’t appendix carry (keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction) or carry in the small of my back (risk of back injury falling), likewise I use a holster while pocket carrying (642 revolver).

  90. avatar Bernard says:

    I appendix carry every single day with a kydex holster and a striker fired pistol. This includes working outside and every kind of situation including bending over. My guess is that he had an obstruction in the holster, a faulty holster and maybe even an after market trigger to make the trigger pull extremely light. I don’t see how a properly holstered pistol sealed in kydex could ever fire… Perhaps we will never know what went wrong, but thousands carry appendix every single day with no issues whatsoever.

  91. avatar jerry says:

    I don’t want to accuse anyone of anything, but I would like to make some observations and ask some questions. I didn’t read all the posts, but did anyone consider this might be fake? If so, what is the motivation? I would think the competing companies that sell the gun and/or holster might benefit. Case in point, the holster that is purportedly used has now been taken off the market, as far as I can see.

    Things to consider-
    How did this video get out? It obviously belong to the store. Why would the store release it? It could have been the police, but it seems odd because it reportedly came from an “anonymous source.”

    How can a gun like a Glock, or the like, possibly go off without the trigger being pressed? These guns come with not just a trigger safety, but a firing pin block as well.

    The only way this could happen is if he just put it back together and the firing pin stayed in the protruded position. However, this would have cause detonation just releasing the slide (I know first hand from a defective firing pin from an aftermarket company).

    So getting far fetched, about the only explanation would be the stuck firing pin (defective), striking the primer, but resulting in a “hang fire” (which is so rare, I’ve never seen one in my life). This would also result in the entire magazine being dumped unless after the first shot, the firing pin returned to normal. In any event, something like this is only a tiny fraction of a percent plausible.

    Either this is fake, or somehow that trigger got pressed. There’s clearly no snagging from his shirt, and it’s clearly inside the holster. The only thing left is, somehow this holster had the Kydex fail to where a “flap” of plastic got inside the trigger guard. This also sounds unlikely. But if the video is not fake, the holster seems like the next likely culprit.

    If this is fake, then who would benefit? Perhaps the manufacturer or distributor of a competing holster. Who is the store owner/manager? Does he or she have any connection to other holster companies?

    I apologize to the store / owner / management and mean you no ill will. But, I feel like the question(s) should be asked.

    Background: I have been an action pistol competitor since 1991, modified many guns (mostly Glocks). I am an NROI certified range officer and pull range duty on a regular basis. I am an NRA certified instructor in the majority of their courses, as well as, being a CRO. I teach NRA Basic pistol and PPOH (CCW) on a very regular basis, as well as other classes. I also own a gun store and manufacture guns. I’ve seen a few dirty tricks in this business.

    1. avatar Jerry (same person as original post) says:

      PS: I just rewatched it and it seems like the lady behind the counter was maybe doing something with the merchandise, but for some reason has medical gloves already on and the medical kit is already in the perfect location.

      1. avatar CLarson says:

        Yeah, this plus that all the action happens coincidentally close and in the center of the camera frame makes me wonder. The guy is wearing black pants so you can’t see any effects of the gunshot i.e. blood or an exit wound. The gunshot sound could have even been added post production and everyone is taking their startle ques from the jerking up and near simultaneous loud scream he makes. We have to take an anon’s word about the gun and holster used. If whomever provided the video want people to draw conclusions about this incident they should be upfront about all the details.

  92. avatar Jaybee says:

    Don’t let anyone tell you that Glocks lack a “decocker”. 😀 This is why DA/SA is king for carry. Learn the two different pulls, or (potentially) “decock” yourself, your choice.

    1. avatar John says:

      Yep. Especially with the SafeAction -P- loads!

  93. avatar Kyle says:

    Who cares about accident or negligent, I only say….

    HOLY F_CK!!!!

  94. avatar Guillermo says:

    “Negligent or accident”??

    Semantics much?

    Accidents happen all the time, usually as a result of negligence. It’s simply an unintended consequence. When someone’s texting while driving and rear ends the car in front of them, we don’t say they got into a “negligent”, do we.

    The semantics quibble seems to be a way for b’doinkers to feel superior.

  95. avatar Repo says:

    If the gun wasn’t fully seated in the holster the rear belt clip is perfectly in line with the trigger and bending over would push it into the trigger and put downward pressure on the gun possibly making it go bang. It didn’t look like his shirt was in the holster because he actually pulled it down over the gun after holstering. It happened to quickly for anything else to find its way into the holster in my opinion.

  96. avatar Peter Bensen says:

    Appendix carry is a beautiful thing… ONLY if you’re on a secret squirrel job, and you will be murdered outright when the criminal dealers find out you’re carrying. Only then will you need the quicker draw and the advantage of hiding your firearm near your gnarly privates.

    If you have a more mundane employment life expectancy, keep your firearm on your hip. It is much better to be known as the guy with 2 assholes, than the guy who did a self-vasectomy, no anesthesia. (When fate intervenes with that mystery unintentional discharge.)

    And statistically, there is no harm in using an ankle holster. Just as there is no shame in ducking out during hostile quick draw contests (and being able to come up with some heat). Ultimately, shooting oneself in the foot is MUCH better for your health than the alternatives. And your new limp will get you more sympathy than dirty looks when you use the handicapped parking space.

  97. avatar Me says:

    If you don’t CC exactly as I say, where I say, use the gun and holster I say then you are stupid and deserve to be shot. Because only I know what is best for You!

    I just covered about half the comments, to save people time.

    Remind anyone else of Socialism?

    1. avatar Sgt of Marines says:

      Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    2. avatar Ssgt Bob says:

      Moderator, please move the response from “ME” to permanent placement at top of all comments. Make it required reading before you can comment.

  98. avatar john says:

    lots of people put after market parts in glocks, if done wrong you can disable internal saftey

    1. avatar Jerry says:

      As someone that modifies Glocks, I am very interested in this because I don’t want to see this happen to me or one of my customers. Can you be more specific on the parts that get disabled or which parts may disable a safety mechanism? Not defending Glock. Just a legit question.

      1. avatar john says:

        research youtube/google. I have personally seen glocks modded by people that had very little contact of striker to cruciform or cruciform not on upper ledge on the trigger mechanism housing. Also seen trigger bar and firing pin safety contact point messed up by people. Is a video of a aftermarket trigger going off during dry fire practice, every time he reholsters. Point is with aftermarket parts and lack of knowledge you can make you glock or any gun out of spec and unsafe.

        1. avatar Jerry says:

          Great points. I check the engagement with the cruciform and like to see at least 2/3rds engaged. I’ve also seen, although rarely, firing pin block safety button stuck in the up position, usually do to the spring being messed up while reinstalling it. So, I could see how this could happen.

      2. avatar Philip says:

        Here is the video John mentions. The culprit was a loose pin on an aftermarket trigger. Thankfully, the guy noticed when holstering “dry”…

        http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/12/06/glock-triggered-holstered/

        1. avatar Jerry says:

          Wow, this is amazing and good information. Just so I understand it, one of the pins on the trigger itself walked out and snagged on the holster? Did anyone ask Zev about this?

  99. avatar Bob says:

    Lot of Fudds up in here

  100. avatar MLee says:

    Striker fired pistol strikes again. I hate those things.

    1. avatar RayS says:

      I wonder if anyone tracks NDs. I had heard the number of NDs experienced in 1 police force more than doubled when they went to glocks, but Ive never seen anything definitive. Anone know of any studies?

  101. avatar Curtis Simmons says:

    Little Ralphie Parker never shot his eye out with a BB gun, but he did grow up to shoot his balls off with his Glock.

  102. avatar Russ H. says:

    I’ve never understood appendix carry other than it’s a convenient location to draw from. You are always pointing the muzzle at yourself, especially when you sit, which violates gun safety rules. I would also NEVER reholster (in any IWB method) while the holster was still in my pants unless it was absolutely CRITICAL – for IWB I ALWAYS remove the holster first, insert the handgun, then reholster. (Not OWB, I can see what I’m doing if I need to look and I WILL look unless it’s critical I don’t. Yes, I was trained not to look as a cop but those are different circumstances.

  103. avatar Mike says:

    I make kydex holsters and there is no way that holster pulled the trigger. If the holster was made of cloth or leather, then that is possible for the holster to fire the weapon. On those type of holsters, the material breaks down as the holster ages. Leather and cloth holsters can become flimsy around the trigger. When you holster, the leather or fabric CAN BEND INTO YOUR TRIGGER GUARD. As you push down on your gun, the holster WILL FIRE YOUR GUN. With kydex, the holster maintains its shape. Unless there is something I’m not seeing, I think the slide may not have been all the way forward after he load a round in the chamber. With kydex, the gun would have still holstered properly with the slide slightly to the rear. Then he bent over forcing the slide forward which caused the gun to fire. That’s my 2 cents.

    1. avatar Paratrooper says:

      Drawing your weapon when needed should be as fast and safe as possible, holstering your weapon when the need is over can take all the time in the world to insure safety because unless your are in a combat zone safety is number one!

  104. avatar Jeff says:

    Unless the Kydex had a catastrophic failure it would have nothing to do with the holster itself. First, I would suspect a foreign object in the holster as the simple explanation. Second, I would question the firearm itself. People go absolutely bananas tweaking and modifying glocks so perhaps someone trying their hand at some amateur gunsmithing did something to create an unsafe platform?

  105. avatar Marcus says:

    I’d say accidental normally but carrying AIWB is always a negligent action.

  106. avatar Ken says:

    What we see here is part of the reason why, although I own some Glocks, I have only worn the Glocks when ordered to do so, or when the situation made it the most practical choice (such as wading through water). There is a lot to be said for double action revolvers for being the weapon of choice for casual wear on the farm or in the woods. Accidental discharge of a DA revolver after the gun has been holstered is almost unknown. It is even rare for someone to discharge it unintentionally while drawing it because of the long trigger pull required of a DA revolver. For semi autos I prefer, again for safety reasons, DA capable pistols such as the Beretta Model 92 DA, or the Sig 226 / 228 series. Most of us are not living the life of a Special Forces member. We have little need of 32 round magazines or instant rapid fire. A DA trigger pull as your first shot usually gets the job done just fine IME, if not, shoot a second or third time or until the target stops hostile action. Understand, you are shooting at them and they are shooting at you and the whole thing is usually over either way before bullet 6 has been fired. Shot placement is the key, not magazine capacity.

    1. avatar Jack Gordon says:

      Absolutely agree with everything you say. I would only add that a DAO revolver (even a DA pistol) also makes sense in an urban environment. I carry a K6s regularly and, even under an untucked tee shirt, it’s just about invisible. It really doesn’t make a lot of difference to me if the gun is over the appendix, at the 4 o’clock position, etc.; it’s not going to accidentally discharge inside my holster, not with that 10 lbs. trigger pull. Those who think appendix carry is somehow more dangerous than other positions need to consider that the muzzle of any gun carried anywhere on the body is many times a day pointed at some part of that same body. CCW requires that we apply with common sense the good dictum “Never point a gun……etc.”

  107. avatar Mark says:

    Everyone complains that the G43 only carries 6. I know when I rack the slide prior to putting the gun back in the holster, I load another round back into the mag. This guy didn’t do that.

    Why is he wearing two t-shirts?

    1. avatar Tony says:

      After he racks the slide to chamber a round he then holsters. While the g43 is in the holster he ejects the mag to top it off before he walks over to the shelf. However I don’t know what that has to do with this situation.

  108. avatar Ken Forbus says:

    For everyone calling someone stupid, why are you posting on a board? Shouldn’t you all be out writing a thesis or something on the mattter with factual and scientific proof verses your opinion.

  109. avatar StealtNeighbor says:

    Kat, please interview the injured party and publish a follow-up article so we “armchair experts” can all stop guessing why and LEARN the actual reason(s) how this happened… Thank you so much.

  110. avatar Hugo says:

    I prefer the springfield xd design. The grip safety is an extra layer of protection against this type of problem.

    1. avatar Mark says:

      Also an extra layer for something to go wrong when you need it. A grip safety on a striker fired pistol is retarded.

  111. avatar TGugs says:

    Appendix carry can be DANGEROUS….Enjoy
    https://youtu.be/5CdNKqLQSEk

  112. avatar Hangdog says:

    The majority of commenters to this article are trying to come off as CSI someone !
    But FYI , This vid was staged
    Notice the fake ” yell ” , notice how long it took for the fella to drop his pants to assess the damage ” never got his pants dropped !!
    The real kicker ,, the woman who says call 911 comes to his aid , asking where he is shot , turns back to what is to be assumed is a first aid kit & gets what appears to be a tourniquet , returns to the man , who still hasn’t managed to get his pants unfastened , and notice , the woman had exam gloves on before the fake shooting ! No blood !
    Fake , staged event & people are so gullible they jump into CSI mode , each solving the riddle , missing the most obvious details !
    Hope some of these commenters shoot better than they observe !

    1. avatar BQin says:

      As Sherlock Holmes says to Dr. Watson, “You see but you fail to observe.”

  113. avatar Kris Bancroft says:

    Carry a weapon like the Springfield XDe – their new 9mm and .45 with a hammer – and surprise discharges like this won’t happen! Very safe to carry loaded.

  114. avatar HUNTER JAMES says:

    Play stoopid games. Win stoopid prizes. Glocks are for stoopid people.
    THAT’S WHY THEY ISSUE THEM TO KOPS.

  115. avatar Fled says:

    I am betting that the pistol got pushed into the holster past the safe retention point and trigger blocking when he bent over and the trigger was activated. Kydex can flex and distort, especially if it’s thin walled. Injection molded plastic can too.

  116. avatar DM says:

    It looks like a staged video (i.e. fake). There is no impact on the floor below or on the mill work behind him. There is no broken tile, or tile chips flying all over. The bullet had to go somewhere. Second, unless this is a common occurrence at their shop, the lady went for the gloves and tourniquet too quickly to be believed.

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