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Intuit Credit Card Gun Retailers Ban Congress NSSF

Handgun retailers lobbying Congress after credit shutdown

Time to sweat a few CEOs under the lights like they did Zuckerberg . . .

Cut off by their credit card processors, some handgun retailers are asking Congress for help, The Post has learned.

The small business owners and an industry group have asked the Senate Banking Committee to take a look at the actions of the credit card processors — which they claim stopped servicing perfectly legal transactions.

“We are talking to members of Congress on both sides of the aisle, and they are considering asking for oversight hearings for these financial institutions to come in and justify their policies,” said Larry Keane, a vice president of the National Shooting Sports Foundation, of Newtown, Conn., which represents the gun industry.

ATF Keeping Gun Dealers Honest Act Gun Control Congress

courtesy chicagotribune.com

Unable to Ban Guns, Lawmakers Want to Weaponize the ATF Against Gun Dealers

Statists gotta state, preferably while using Orwellian names for their legislation . . .

What’s a politician to do when it’s clear that people will vigorously resist attempts to restrict their lives? Well, you could empower government officials to arbitrarily punish anybody who might help them exercise their freedom. That’s the approach favored by three Democratic members of Congress, who appear to see the path to limiting private firearms ownership in harassing gun dealers and subjecting them to the whims of government officials.

Not that they’re the only legislators to wield regulations as bludgeons, but it’s always a lousy idea.

Ostensibly, the “Keeping Gun Dealers Honest Act” (a name that maintains the congressional tradition of pompous bullshit) is aimed at “gun dealers who engage in illegal sales practices,” which is to say it’s supposed to make it more illegal to do illegal stuff. This isn’t a new practice—Representatives Ted Deutch (D – Fla), Jim Langevin (D – R.I.), and Gwen Moore (D – Wis.) are hardly alone among lawmakers in thinking that what the country with the highest incarceration rate in the world (although we should take a few countries’ official numbers with a grain of salt) needs is more people behind bars. And these three are also in good company in thinking that augmenting legal penalties with arbitrary harassment is the key to a better world.

Andrew Cuomo New York Gun Control SAFE Act Extreme Risk Protection Orders

courtesy AP

Gun owners should be wary of latest state bills

Always good advice in New York . . .

The whole gun control issue is, and will continue to be, spun out of control for the foreseeable future. And, all the homebrew remedies Albany manages to cook up to “fix the problem of gun violence” will not change a couple of indelible facts: The people with nefarious intent will continue to do their dirty deeds and the law-abiding gun owner will continue to be punished for crimes they haven’t and would never commit.

So far, the SAFE is not shaping up to be a deterrent, either to the criminals who ignore it, nor to the lawmakers who feel compelled to improve upon it. There is no evidence to date that would suggest that the SAFE Act has had an impact on crime way or the other, although it has made a goodly number of honest citizens look like criminals.

Now, the latest ruse, two bills introduced in the Senate and Assembly — S7133A and A8976B — will enact “extreme risk protection orders” in New York.

New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy signs 6 gun control measures

Another banner day for New Jersey gun rights . . .

New Jersey on Wednesday enacted measures to tighten its already strict gun control laws.

Democratic Gov. Phil Murphy signed the half-dozen bills that began advancing after the fatal high school shooting in Parkland, Florida, in February that left 17 people dead. Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School student Alfonso Calderon joined Murphy on stage.

In a tweet Tuesday Murphy mentioned the Pulse nightclub shooting in Orlando, saying “our hearts are heavy” on the two-year anniversary of the attack and saying that New Jersey now has some of the country’s toughest gun laws.

Army Sub Machine Gun Trials Competition Contract

Courtesy washingtontimes.com and Military Times

Army’s submachine gun challenge: 10 companies vying to supply conventional forces

This will be fun to watch . . .

The U.S. Army recently put word out that it wanted submachine guns for conventional forces, and gun-makers were quick to respond.

Ten companies are currently vying to supply troops outside the special operations forces realm with subguns for the modern battlefield. Officials said they wanted a weapon with full/semi-automatic selectable variant and a Picatinny rail, among other features, and organizations from Sig Sauer, Inc. to Colt answered the call.

“For the first time in a long time, the Army is looking at a subgun for conventional forces,” Todd South of Military Times reported Wednesday. “Special operations forces have carried these guns for a very long time, but your conventional soldiers and Marines don’t really have them in their arsenal until now.”

comments

  1. avatar Ahil925 says:

    6.5 Creedmore.

    There, it’s been said already.

    1. avatar Gordon in MO says:

      Special Operations need a small, maneuverable, relatively quiet, full auto (switchable) for close up action. They have even used .22s in the past; OH, the horror of it!

      I’m sure they already have their long range needs satisfied.

      1. avatar Omer says:

        A friend has an old .22 that he had a smith fix up years ago. He go the rifle from a family member and it had sentimental value to him. The smith asked to buy it, which my friend declined. My friend thought it was a military training rifle. Supposedly, per the smith the rifle was a “sniper” rifle from WWI, many of them were destroyed. The sniper would sneak to a near by position and fire upon the enemy and the .22’s report would be overpowered by the other weapons. I don’t know how accurate the info was but that’s the story as I heard it.

    2. avatar New Continental Army says:

      SMG with a 6 inch barrel in 6.5 Creedmoor? I think that’s a solid war winner right there.

      1. avatar anonymoose says:

        O V E R M A T C H

        1. avatar Kroglikepie says:

          We’re turning into TFB…

      2. avatar California Richard says:

        It is a creative way to get around the flame thrower ban…. have it throw a little 6.5mm projectile in the midst of an enormous flame and call it a PDW.

  2. avatar Huntmaster says:

    Maybe they could just bring bag the Thompson… in .45!

    1. avatar BLAMMO says:

      No, but it should certainly be in .45 ACP in honor of our 45th President. America carries a 45.

      The Donny Gun. Okay, I should have quit while I was ahead.

      1. avatar New Continental Army says:

        And make it Gold Plated.

        1. avatar Joe R. says:

          “Extended Mags” will be renamed to “Bigly MAGAs”

    2. avatar neiowa says:

      The Thompson would be silly. Long ago replaced by the M3. I’m sure HK could produce an M3A1 with rail for under $2500ea

      1. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

        7.62X25 Tokarev would be an awesome sub gun.
        With AP ammo!
        I want a Glock in this caliber.
        It’s like an 88 magnum. “Shoots through …….”

        1. avatar patrulje68 says:

          My mother hung me on a hook once…once.

  3. avatar The Chuck Norris of Rifle Calibers says:

    Words cannot express the disappointment I feel at finding yet another Creedmoorless Daily Digest.

    1. avatar Gurney Halleck says:

      I’ve got a fever and the only cure is more Creedmoor.

      1. avatar Geoff PR says:

        Here ya go, moor Creed(moor) –

      2. avatar The Chuck Norris of Rifle Calibers says:

        I’ve been driving all night my hands wet on the wheel
        There’s a voice in my head that drives my heel
        It’s my baby calling saying I need you here
        And it’s half past 4 and I’m shifting gear
        When she gets lonely and the longing gets too much
        She sends a cable coming in from above
        Don’t need no phones at all
        We’ve got a thing that’s called Creedmoor love
        We’ve got a wave in the air
        Creedmoor love!

        1. avatar Geoff PR says:

          Dum, dum, dum, dum, dum, dum dum,, ba-dum…

      3. avatar The Chuck Norris of Rifle Calibers says:

        Clean shirt, new shoes
        And I don’t know where I’m going to
        Silk suit, black tie
        I don’t need a reason why
        They come running just as fast as they can
        ‘Cause every girl crazy ’bout a Creedmoor man!

        1. avatar Geoff PR says:

          “Crowned muzzle, lapped bore, how could you even want (Creed)more?

        2. avatar The Chuck Norris of Rifle Calibers says:

          Dammit. How come every time I get on You Tube I end up getting bogged down in bluegrass covers? Well, I haven’t heard this one yet.

        3. avatar The Chuck Norris of Rifle Calibers says:

          Of course, the mother of all Guns & Roses bluegrass covers has to go to the boys from Finland.

        4. avatar The Chuck Norris of Rifle Calibers says:

          OK, not bluegrass, but anyone who ever said Dee Snider couldn’t do tearjerker doesn’t know what the hell they’re talking about.

    2. avatar My Tat: 6.5 CM gang for Life says:

      More cowbell… I mean Creedmore.

  4. avatar Gregolas says:

    For subgun, Tom Clancy’s 10mm HK MP5 !
    Or, why not the cheap, serviceable M3 Grease Gun?

    1. avatar Rocketman says:

      The M3 isn’t all that good of a subgun. The controls make it difficult to operate when your hands are wet or cold and the cycle rate is a little too low. The reason the US military used it was because they need something cheap and quick in WW2 to make and that’s what they came up with.

      1. avatar neiowa says:

        In other words, the M3 does everything for which a submachine gun is actually potentially useful.

        1. avatar LarryinTX says:

          Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think any version of the M3 was select-fire.

    2. avatar fiundagner says:

      P90.

  5. avatar Iillinois_Minion says:

    Man, that’s a scary picture of Cuomo.

    1. avatar HP says:

      Have you seen a picture of him that isn’t scary?

    2. avatar GS650G says:

      Meet him in person and you would feel the room get cold.

  6. avatar Kendahl says:

    5.56 mm is already standard ammunition. Why not a very compact, full auto AR-15?

    1. avatar pwrserge says:

      Because 5.56×45 out of a sub-gun sized AR sucks out loud. You’re talking 7″ barrel max.

      1. avatar Geoff PR says:

        What if the handloads were using pistol or snubby powder?

        1. avatar New Continental Army says:

          Then why not simply up grade to creedmoor?

        2. avatar Dyspeptic Gunsmith says:

          As soon as you’d get one of those pistol/shotgun powder rounds into a carbine or rifle length barrel, you’d have a serious problem.

        3. avatar Geoff PR says:

          “As soon as you’d get one of those pistol/shotgun powder rounds into a carbine or rifle length barrel, you’d have a serious problem.”

          Yeah, mixing up your ammo would be a *boom* problem. It’s always those pesky details…

  7. avatar Creedmoor E Lee says:

    I would like a civilian version of whatever 9mm sub gun the military chooses. There are so many great 9mm options these days, it’s hard to pick one. I’ve currently got the glock 19 in a roni and a highpoint carbine that’s waiting on the high castle mod, but I think I’ll be adding to my shouldered 9mm collection with a CZ with brace in short order.

    If the new sub gun comes in 6.5 creedmoor, it’s a must have. For, like spraying bullets greater than 600 yards and stuff.

    1. avatar EWTHeckman says:

      And repeal the g** d*****d flagrantly unconstitutional Hughes Amendment and NFA so these guns can actually be useful for defending the security a Free State.”

  8. avatar Ed Schrade says:

    Lets pass a bill titled ” Keep Government Honest”.

  9. avatar skiff says:

    Rep. Jim Langevin ( D – R.I. ) was paralyzed by negligent discharge from a swat cops .45 ACP bullet when he was a teenager in the Boy Scout explorer program. There isn’t a gun control bill that he wouldn’t endorse.

    1. avatar neiowa says:

      Is the twit sponsoring cop control bills?

  10. avatar Texican says:

    I believe the requirement is for 9mm. It’d be easier to just go with 300 Blackout. Eventually, they’ll switch all ARs to it. Easy, peasy. I just saved the gubmint a bunch of money! 😉 But we know that isn’t what this is all about.

    1. avatar J says:

      You misspelled “.224 Valkyrie”

      1. avatar ComfortablyNumb says:

        You misspelled “6.5 Creedmor”.

  11. avatar ACP_armed says:

    So that’s what the Joker looks like without the face paint and dyed hair.

    1. avatar ollie says:

      Are you making fun of Il Duce Nuovo ?????
      His goons will be coming after you once he’s President.

      Creedmoor is a stinking British place – it no longer has any right to be a name for any arms/weapon/cartridge.

  12. avatar Gun Owning American says:

    What is the current smg?

    1. avatar anonymoose says:

      SOCOM has the MP5, UMP, MP7, Mk18, HK416, and MCX (and also the SCAR-L for branches that opted for it- these 10″ intermediate-caliber carbines are arguably SMG replacements, although they are louder and more unwieldy than a small SMG like an MP5K or MP7). Big Army hasn’t used any SMGs since the M3 Grease Gun was retired, although close protection units and MPs and the like have MP5s at their disposal.

    2. avatar J says:

      Nothing.

  13. avatar former water walker says:

    Yep sic congress on these credit processing bastards. Where is the “benefit” of having republitard’s in charge?!?

  14. avatar RCC says:

    Modernise the Australian Owen sub machine gun. Most reliable of all WW2 models including the Thompson and others. Folding stock and reliable magazine standard in 1942.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_Gun#History

    1. avatar Toni says:

      yes i quite agree. the Owen Gun from what i have heard was the most reliable sub gun bar none even since it got phased out. in fact a mate found 3 of them buried in the mud up in far north Queensland in the early 80’s. cleaned them out and got 2 of them working again after being buried in mud for at least 10 years

  15. avatar neiowa says:

    Cue the phoney capitalists with their drivel “it’s their business banks can do whatever they want.”

  16. avatar Nickel Plated says:

    Why not pick an SMG that would make sense? Plenty of companies making 9mm AR-15s.
    Give it full auto, a 7-10″ barrel and presto. You got a SMG that most soldiers will be familiar with right off the bat and will have atleast some parts commonality with existing rifles.

    I mean come on guys. A Thompson? Seriously? Why the hell would anyone drag a Thompson into combat nowadays? When there are subguns out there that are just better in pretty much every way that matters in a combat weapon.

    1. avatar Mark N. says:

      Maybe because the MP-5 /MPX et al and the HK have a smaller footprint than an AR, and ARs don’t have folding stocks. Although the MP-5 is obsolete, one of my dream guns would be one with the integrated suppressor. Sweet gun.

    2. avatar Southern Cross says:

      I know you yanks are going to hate this but the Thompson is really overrated. In the Pacific Theatre in WW2 it had to be wrapped in oily rags right up until it needed to be used. This was to stop it rusting and to keep foreign material out to stop it jamming.

      The Owen had such a reputation for reliability even US troops would try to get one. And so did their sons in the Vietnam War.

      The only issues with the Owen were that it was heavy and it could have been issued more than a year earlier in .45ACP. Several prototypes were in .45ACP. But the Australian senior officers wanted the British STEN, which they thought was better because it was British.

      Even in tests where the Owen was set up to fail and the STEN was set up to pass, the STEN kept failing and the Owen kept passing.

      After the war the British even admitted the Owen was much superior to the STEN, and by the way do you have any spare we could use in Malaya?

  17. avatar Kyle says:

    Is it just me or does it seem like special kind of ‘Chutzpah’ to turn to American gun makers to make a gun that they will turn around and deny to the very people that built the gun, as well as the rest of America.

    I dont know, just seems a little ‘Kim Jung Un’ to me.

  18. avatar Ozzallos says:

    300blk. Parts commonality, mag commonality. Hits like a 45acp in subsonic. Optimized for short barrel.

  19. avatar AZgunner says:

    Let’s just reintroduce the M1A1 Thompson. A 10lb submachine gun will really teach everyone to complain about how heavy their rifles are. And our troops will look super gangster.

    1. avatar Gralnok says:

      I’d point to my argument below, but the Thompson does look much cooler than the M3 Grease Gun. 😎

  20. avatar Gralnok says:

    I say the old M3 Grease Gun should be brought back, just in 9mm. However, that’s a practical approach to the issue. The issue, of course, is that they just want another gun. Seriously, why can’t they just come out and say it? There is nothing wrong with wanting another gun, though I think it shouldn’t be taxpayers who pay for overpriced toys.

  21. avatar Joe R. says:

    FUCK ALL OF THE POS (D).

    Like the Creedmore stuff, it needed to be said at least once here.

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