Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin Vetoes Constitutional Carry Bill

fallin vetoes constitutional carry bill

courtesy rawstory.com

As Dean Weingarten had reported, the Oklahoma legislature had overwhelmingly passed Senate Bill 1212 by veto-proof majorities. If it became law, SB1212 would have made Oklahoma the 14th constitutional carry state in the nation. However, Governor Mary Fallin vetoed the bill late this afternoon. And since the legislature has adjourned for the year, they won’t get an opportunity to try to override the veto.

Here’s Fallin’s press release announcing her rationale for killing the bill:

OKLAHOMA CITY – Governor Mary Fallin today vetoed Senate Bill 1212, which would have eliminated the requirement to complete a short firearms safety and training course from a certified instructor and demonstrate competency with a pistol before carrying a gun in public. The governor issued the following statement:

“Oklahoma is a state that respects the Second Amendment. As governor, I have signed both concealed-carry and open-carry legislation. I support the right to bear arms and own a pistol, a rifle, and a shotgun.

“Oklahomans believe that law-abiding individuals should be able to defend themselves. I believe the firearms requirement we current have in state law are few and reasonable. Senate Bill 1212 eliminates the training requirements for persons carrying a firearms in Oklahoma. It reduces the level of the background check necessary to carry a gun.

“SB 1212 eliminates the current ability of Oklahoma law enforcement to distinguish between those carrying guns who have been trained and vetted, and those who have not.

“Again, I believe the firearms laws we currently have in place are effective, appropriate and minimal, and serve to reassure our citizens that people who are carrying handguns in this state are qualified to do so.”

comments

  1. avatar Mike Hawkizard says:

    I love how it’s always “I’m a gun owner, but…” in these press releases.

    To the people of Oklahoma, press your reps to try again next year, and for the love of all that is good can you get some true POTG in office??

    1. avatar Bill Blah says:

      Lazy Mary can kiss any chance of higher political aspersions good bye. That veto sealed her fate. Oklahoma voters will remember. There will never be a senator Fallin.

      1. avatar Anonymous says:

        “Again, I believe the firearms laws we currently have in place are effective, appropriate and minimal, and serve to reassure our citizens that people who are carrying handguns in this state are qualified to do so.”

        Her total retardation statement above, is predicated on the notion that criminals will get a permit. Yes Mary Fallin, the citizens can be reassured that people who are carrying handguns are qualified to do so! Except for the ones that aren’t that don’t give a rat’s ass about the papers you sign your name on.

      2. avatar burley says:

        I think you meant “political ASPIRATIONS” as she just perpetrated a political aspersion.

    2. avatar Aaron J Franklin says:

      yes that’s very much the “I have a black friend so I can’t be racist argument”

  2. avatar FedUp says:

    That’s what I assumed the day the law passed the legislature.
    Failin’ Mary has vetoed several less controversial pro-gun bills throughout her tenure.

    And now she’s term-limited with no fear of voters.

  3. avatar ACP_arms says:

    Does Oklahoma have any requirement for open carry other then open carry? If not concealed carry shouln’t be treated any different then open carry.

    The governor in my home state has used the same song for vetoing constitutional carry. Open carry is legal and concealed carry is legal without a piece of paper outside of city limits, but the horror of someone carrying a concealed gun without a piece of paper inside of the city limits is too much when in the rest of the state you don’t need that piece of paper. (Eye roll)

    1. avatar DrewR55 says:

      You have to have a Self-Defense Act permit to either carry whether concealed or openly.

      1. avatar ACP_arms says:

        Well that sucks…

    2. avatar Jim Macklin says:

      You have to have a concealed carry license to open carry in Oklahoma. AFAIK the only exception is on your own property, a shooting range or while lawfully hunting.

      So far they have not found a way to require criminals to take a class, and pass a background check, duh.
      The media reports it was a defeat for the NRA but the NRA is in DC/Virginia and the OK Rifle ass did not support SB 1212 for some silly reason. But they are local to OKC.

      1. avatar Matt in Oklahoma says:

        Oklahoma Rifle Association is proud of the fact that only “trained” individuals get to carry. Like that silly ppt class was training and then no one could hit the target later.

        1. avatar Ton E says:

          Sounds like they need a real state Pro 2A organization.

      2. avatar Phil says:

        The NRA never supports constitutional carry. Their members want the training class money too much to actually support the constitution.

        1. avatar Mountaineer says:

          Not true. In West Virginia the first year constitutional carry passed the governor (Earl Ray Tomlin) vetoed the bill after the session. The next year NRA, along with other national and state groups, got constitutional carry passed early enough in the session that when the governor vetoed it the legislature was still in session and overrode the veto. This requires a simple majority for most laws in WV.

  4. avatar Ralph says:

    Is that Mary Fallin or Jimmy Fallon? Sometimes its hard to tell the difference.

    But at least the beyotch had the balls (ovaries?) to veto instead of pocket veto.

    1. avatar SicSemperTyrannis says:

      Fuck her “courage”.

      Without our guns, she would never have the false sense of being safe enough to fight gun laws in the first place.

  5. avatar Matt(TX) says:

    “I am term limited and I am not running for another office. I don’t have to lie anymore.” quote/unquote

    1. avatar That One Guy says:

      “…and as governor of a state dealing with a perpetual budget crunch, I feel it’s important to preserve the millions of dollars in revenue collected by selling federal rights back to Oklahomans.”

  6. avatar tmm says:

    And therein lies the reasoning of the statist…

    …to distinguish between those … who have been trained and vetted, and those who have not.

    1. avatar Cloudbuster says:

      My rights aren’t subject to the government’s vetting.

      1. avatar tmm says:

        Exactly

  7. avatar Secundius says:

    A “Supermajority Vote” by either Oklahoma’s State House or State Senate is 75%. The States House has 101 (i.e. 76 votes) Seats and the State Senate 48 (i.e. 36 votes) Seats. SB.1212 Passed the State House by a 61 to 24 vote and the State Senate by a 33 to 9 vote. Neither of which were “Supermajority Votes”, which is way it was Vetoed. Currently there are 72 Republicans in the State House and 40 Republicans in the State Senate…

    1. avatar clst says:

      To override an Oklahoma Governors veto only requires a 2/3rds majority, not 75%. Had the Legislature not been adjourned the veto could have been easily overridden. That is not to say it would have been overridden as some may well have changed their vote.

      1. avatar Secundius says:

        Considering the number of votes that were cast the First Time Around and thinking they were a Sure Thing, I doubt a Second Ballot of Votes will change to Outcome any better that First Ballot of Votes…

  8. avatar DrewR55 says:

    And thanks to the chair of the Senate Public Safety sub-committee this legislation will never see the light of day. But hey, at least the incumbents can go before their voters this fall and sound off about how they ‘tried’.

    Way to hand a freebie to Bloomberg and his merry band of douchbags. I hope his ‘donation’ was large enough to cover the cost of moving your daughter’s trailer, Mary.

  9. avatar Garrison Hall says:

    Basically, politicians are scumbags. There are some that aren’t . . . maybe . . .

    1. avatar DrewR55 says:

      Nope, they’re all scumbags. Some just haven’t been caught yet. Others have been (like Mattress Mary) and were given a mulligan.

    2. avatar SicSemperTyrannis says:

      No maybe about it. Every last one of them are dirty tyrants.

  10. avatar RevolverBoomBoom says:

    Should have just given it a chew toy and had an intern pull out the autopen.

  11. avatar strych9 says:

    I didn’t follow this one real closely. Wasn’t a veto pretty much expected?

    1. avatar Secundius says:

      I suspect there was something else within SB.1212 that some of the Republicans didn’t like and didn’t vote for it. Including the Governor…

  12. avatar Ragnarredbeard says:

    “I support the right to bear arms and own a pistol, a rifle, and a shotgun.”

    But only one of each and no scary black rifles.

    1. avatar SicSemperTyrannis says:

      Unless they are the people protecting me. From you. Of course…

    2. avatar Chris Mallory says:

      Owning a black rifle has nothing to do about support for firearms rights. I don’t own a black rifle and I refuse to own a plastic pistol. But I bet I am damn sure more pro gun when it comes to firearms rights than you are. My 2nd Amendment does not have any exceptions PERIOD.

  13. avatar TruthTellers says:

    Twice passed Oklahoma legislatures, twice vetoed. Once the bitch is gone, it will become law, but everyone in OK should keep this cunts name on their list of fakers like McCain, Romney, Graham, Corker, Murkowski, Collins, and others.

  14. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

    It would be a suggestion to primary the RINO,as RINO Scott of Vermont is finding himself this coming fall,RINO’s need to be dealt with as one would a Left tard.

    https://www.vermontgetsstern.org/#

  15. avatar SicSemperTyrannis says:

    I like how all the articles covering this say something in the title like:

    “OKC Mayor vetoes Constitutional Carry law, dealing blow to NRA”

    When in reality the nra suffers the least, the American people suffer the most. How naive people are to assume the government has their best interests and personal safety in mind. Ever. How much longer will we put up with this foot on our throats?

  16. avatar scott says:

    Hey guys they can call for a special session to veto override. Even after adjournment.

    1. avatar OK223 says:

      Yes! Plenty of time left in the year, and this is Exactly what they need to do…
      Then impeach the Governor.

    2. avatar Secundius says:

      Maybe?/! Considering that there were 72 Republicans in the Oklahoma State House and 40 Republicans in the Oklahoma State Senate. And 61 of 72 Republicans Voted for SB.1212 in the House and 33 of 40 Republicans in the Senate Voted. There has to be something in SB.1212 that Republicans in Both Chambers didn’t like, or they would have voted for it…

      1. avatar John in AK says:

        As there are many RINOS that masquerade as Republicans, and many Liberals that claim to be Conservative, it is quite possible that those ‘Republicans’ who voted against the bill are of the firm belief that allowing mere citizens to possess firearms in PUBLIC, without hours of training, a performance and knowledge test, and the payment of all necessary license fees, is sheer anathema–no, sheer Broth of Hell.
        It’s awfully hard for a politician or public servant-type to give up any increment of power over others’ lives, you know.
        Besides, in every other of the 13 states that have enacted Constitutional Carry, the immediate result has been a crime wave of epic proportion, Wild West shootouts every day, blood running in the very gutters, babies, minorities, and puppies slaughtered, Old Testament wrath-of-God type stuff, fire and brimstone coming down from the skies, rivers and seas boiling, forty years of darkness, earthquakes, volcanoes, the dead rising from the grave, human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together–mass hysteria!
        Perhaps I exaggerate.

        1. avatar Secundius says:

          @ John in AK.

          Either that or there was a “Sh|t Load of Pork” in the Bill that the other Republicans in the Oklahoma State Legislation and the Governor couldn’t with Good Conscience “Stomach”…

        2. avatar John in AK says:

          The bill is available to read, in full, on line; It is eight pages long, and contains NOTHING but that which is related to firearms and the carrying thereof. No pork, and no other white meats.

        3. avatar Secundius says:

          @ John in AK.

          How many pages?/! “Measure Passed: Ayes: 33, Nays: 11” appears on page 1026 of SB. 1212…

        4. avatar clst says:

          The “Page 1026” referenced is the Journal page, not pages of the bill its self. The actual 8 page bill as sent to the governor is here.

          http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2017-18%20INT/SB/SB1212%20INT.PDF

        5. avatar Secundius says:

          I don’t recall you saying that there only 8 pages sent to the Governor, only that there 8 pages to the Bill PERIOD…

        6. avatar That One Guy says:

          Are you suggesting that the governor only gets a portion of each bill passed by the legislature? That she is signing and vetoing bills without getting the entirety of them?

          Or, are you just spouting words in the hope that they’ll make sense?

  17. avatar KURT Robert INGALLS says:

    She will not be re-elected……. 🙂

    1. avatar clst says:

      She is term limited and can’t run again. She claims to have no further ambitions for elected office.

  18. avatar Geoff PR says:

    Fallin should have just made it easier to sue and get the proper outcome.

    The will of the people is that a veto-proof majority gets the law enacted over the objections (veto) of the governor.

    Citizens of Oklahoman need to file suit and demand jury trial. The will of the citizens was denied by a slimy procedural trick.

    In the trial, explain to the jury what ‘veto-proof’ is supposed to mean and how the Governor tried to pull a fast one on the citizens…

  19. avatar Hey Joe says:

    She’s got enough make-up on to pass for a Juggalo…but that’s totally beside the point.

  20. avatar Ed Schrade says:

    Our government needs to re-read the part of the constitution and bill of rights so they will be reminded that the second amendment rights we were given are inherent , and not for the government to grant or take away. A natural right, a God given right. This means that politicians who think the way she does have broken the oath that they have taken and should face immediate impeachment.

  21. avatar ironicatbest says:

    That strych9 dude is pretty cool. I think if I had him for a kid, I’d be pretty proud. Yup

  22. avatar The Rookie says:

    I’m wondering if there was opposition from the state police/various sheriff’s departments. Not out of safety concerns, but concerns over loss of revenue. CCW permit fees bring in a good deal of cash to departments in states that have them I really wouldn’t be surprised if that was part of the actual (as opposed to public/official) reason Fallin vetoed the bill.

    1. avatar DrewR55 says:

      OSBI is the agency that oversees SDA permits. They warned Mattress Mary that if SB1212 were to be signed into law they would have to lay off around forty people due to the loss of revenue from permit applications.

      Big city CLEO’s and business associations all came out in opppsition to SB1212 cause of the usual BS (officer safety and the such).

      It is also worth noting that the Oklahoma Rifle Association (an affiliate of the NRA), whose membership rolls consist of a bunch of old Fudds and ex-LEO, came out in opposition to SB1212. They were cited by Bloomberg’s MDA in their propaganda.

      1. avatar Onyx's Valet says:

        I hope she realizes she will not ever be elected to anything in OK again. She could not even be elected dog catcher.

        I will l not be able to afford to renew my carry license so I was hoping this would be signed. When I walk my dogs at 2:00AM when they were sick I would carry as I had seen packs of dogs in the area before and I did not want to see my little guys get mauled while I attempted to fight them off by hand. Don’t know what I will do in August when my license expires.

        1. avatar Mater says:

          Carry anyway… civil disobedience… concealed means concealed..

      2. avatar MIO says:

        The ORA is outdated and as liberal as they come. It’s elitist viewpoints are well documented.

  23. avatar dlj95118 says:

    …Fallin has fallen?

  24. avatar Liberty First says:

    “Liberty means responsibility, which is why most [people] dread it.” – George Bernard Shaw

    We’ve become a nation of physically mature children, for the most part. The application of critical thinking and the Socratic Method have been effectively suppressed. Almost all daily requirements for that level of responsible decision making have been removed and there are no real consequences for abandoning it anymore.

    I’m still waiting on my private invitation to Galt’s Gulch. I’m starting to think more and more that Ayn Rand was hinting at something that people were actually doing.

    I say that half tongue-in-cheek, though not as much so as before.

    1. avatar Joe R. says:

      “Galt’s Gulch” was “Shangi-La” and a way to show that even dyed in the wool capitalists and free thinkers can be crammed into communistic states if you let anyone boasting greater wealtb or intelligence play at ‘overlord’, and entice you with external pressured that you’d be happier, and better off, if you worked against on your own.

      Read “The Fountainhead” instead.

  25. avatar N64456 says:

    Just an observation… Does the push for CC actually hurt our chances for National Reciprocity passing by giving blue (and purple) state politicians ammo to oppose it’s passage? It also gives the MSM parrots and Twatters examples to use against us. IJS…

  26. avatar former water walker says:

    Fallin in love again…with “her”self. Disgusting RINO…

  27. avatar Joe R. says:

    Lt. Governor Tood Lamb, as President of the Oklahoma Senate can call the Senate back into Session at anytime to vote to override that veto. His political aspirations are on the line too.

    1. avatar clst says:

      The Lt. Governor can not assume the powers of the Governor, unless the Governor is incapacitated or out of state. A special session requires a 2/3rds vote of both houses or a call for special session by the Governor.

      Section V-27A: Special sessions.
      (1) The Legislature may be called into special session by a
      written call for such purposes as may be specifically set out in
      the call, signed by two-thirds (2/3) of the members of the Senate
      and two-thirds (2/3) of the members of the House of
      Representatives when it is filed with the President Pro Tempore
      of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives who
      shall issue jointly an order for the convening of the special
      session.
      (2) Nothing in this section shall prevent the calling of a
      special session of the Legislature by the Governor, as provided
      by the Constitution of the State of Oklahoma.

  28. avatar MIO says:

    As Law Enforcement I can tell you that it is NOT my job to determine who is vetted or trained.
    The liberal Oklahoma Rifle Association fought against it like they do every bill. The OCPD fought against it. Soros had his bunch calling in against it.

  29. avatar Missouri_Mule says:

    “Got permitless carry?”
    Come to Free Missouri!
    Train because you want to, not because you have too.

    1. avatar Missouri_Mule says:

      P.S I actually AGREE permitless carry may hurt reciprocity argument, but that is up to the legislature not a “dead end” governor.

      1. avatar MIO says:

        The option to get a permit can remain so you can carry in other states. OSBI and Oklahoma Rifle Association was just worried about the $ and not safety with their precious SDA gigs.

    2. avatar That One Guy says:

      even better:

      If you have a Missouri driver’s license, your permitless carry rights extend into Oklahoma because of the reciprocity agreement.

      That’s right, a Missourian can carry in OK without a permit, but an Oklahoman cannot.

  30. avatar Life to the fullest says:

    Check out paragraphs 5: https://m.newsok.com/article/5594417/gun-bill-vetoed-by-oklahomas-governor

    Says it all. RINOs and their big government.

  31. avatar Jonathan - Houston says:

    Even for a small, shallow pond like Oklahoma, this Fallin chick is a no-talent hack.

  32. avatar sound awake says:

    what is she afraid of

    she won in 2014 by 15 points

    trump carried the state by 35 points 2 years ago

    NO COUNTY IN OKLAHOMA HAS VOTED DEMOCRAT IN A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IN 14 YEARS

    shes safe

    and its not like this is an experimental thing that nobodys tried before:

    alaska has been constitutional carry for 15 years

    vermont has been constitutional carry since the founding

    arizona since 2010

    arkansas since 2013

    10 other states in the past few years

    none of these states have blood running in the streets

    it hasnt been a problem

    theres no excuse for this

    pass it again veto proof out of the legislature when they get back and vote her out of office and then amend the state constitution

    1. avatar That One Guy says:

      She’s term limited, and she claims to have no future political aspirations, so she can do whatever she wants with no repercussions.

  33. avatar ActionPhysicalMan says:

    The legislature must have been comfortable with a veto or they wouldn’t have gone on vacation before the bill was law. Either that or they are just lazy phvcks who wanted to go golfing more.

  34. avatar glenux says:

    I am very very disappointed in Governor Fallin.
    When she ran for governor, one of her planks was for the support of gun rights of the citizens of Oklahoma.
    However, since she was voted into office she has vetoed more that one Gun bill that had been expressed by the will of the Oklahoma voters.
    She has duped them once again and failed in her promise to support and defend the US constitution.
    She is a lame duck Governor as OK is just now starting its Primaries the new governor.
    If the Legislature could be called in a special session to overide her treasonous veto,
    but I doubt that will happen.
    But I can assure you that the voters will still be smarting over this issue and require the new governor to go through some extreme vetting.
    The people who were pushing for this legislation must surely be angry, and rightfully so, over her veto.
    But given her track record for lack of support for gun rights, it was actually too risky to push this bill through at the last minute of session knowing that it was more than a 50% chance she would have vetoed this bill.
    It now obvious that she has no more political aspirations for political office in Oklahoma because she has about as much of Snow Crystal in hell of even winning a city Dog Catcher in Oklahoma EVER.
    I hope she enjoys her retirement.

  35. avatar Red says:

    Keep believing your only options are the GOP and Dems. This is what they will continually do to you. They are all about THEIR power versus YOUR rights. Screw both parties. You see how the GOP in DC buried Concealed Carry Reciprocity, making suppressors available without all the licensing requirements, etc.

  36. avatar cisco kid says:

    quote—————————————OKLAHOMA CITY – Governor Mary Fallin today vetoed Senate Bill 1212, which would have eliminated the requirement to complete a short firearms safety and training course from a certified instructor and demonstrate competency with a pistol before carrying a gun in public. The governor issued the following statement:—————————————quote.

    Three cheers for Mary is she the only sane person in a state run by ignorant Hill Jacks who only shit in out houses. It certainly would seem so. If anything the requirements need to be strengthened not done away with.

    They also need to pass a bill that would require mental health back ground checks of all applicants as well as a criminal back ground check and a domestic violence check.

    They need to have a requirement for interviews with friends and neighbors to vouch for the applicants good and emotional maturity and character.

    They need to lengthen the firearms training course to teach people the laws of when you can use deadly force and when you cannot and the legal consequences when you do not.

    Then need a basic course to teach people which firearms are more safe to handle and carry as opposed to the designs that should never have been allowed on the market such as safety-less striker fired weapons that have causes so many needless deaths and crippling. If firearms were regulated by the Consumer Safety Commission these destines would never have been allowed on the market. This is already law in many other civilized industrial foreign countries where gun manufactures like Glock are mandated to put a manual safety on their pistol before it can be sold in the country. Its a shame so many of our citizens are now dead and buried because we lack such a basic safety review board that would have prevented all of this totally necessary mass death and destruction.

    They need a “safe storage law” that would prevent the accidental shootings of children and the wholesale theft of guns just left lying around the house for criminals just to walk in and scoop up and run. This is so basic in all countries they must think the U.S. is run by a bunch of out house hill jacks and guess what it is.

  37. avatar JoeVK says:

    “SB 1212 eliminates the current ability of Oklahoma law enforcement to distinguish between those carrying guns who have been trained and vetted, and those who have not.”

    Translation: The Queen of Oklahomaland has determined the peasants have enough freedom and has forbade it. She and her minions are required to know which peasants have guns in the event of an uprising.

  38. avatar GoD says:

    “SB 1212 eliminates the current ability of Oklahoma law enforcement to distinguish between those carrying guns who have been trained and vetted, and those who have not.

    And the Criminals who don’t give 2 Flucks about Laws will always Carry guns so that has to be the most stupid brain dead argument ever made.

    Maybe tar and feathers will help them understand u don’t have to ask permission to exercise a right!

    Lets train and VET Libtards b4 they use their 1st Amendment right too…cuz they would all fail!!

  39. avatar Adam says:

    Not sure how the OK government works but in my state, if a governor vetoes something, the legislature can override the veto the next year. Is this possible in OK? If not, what is to stop them just re-voting on the legislature early next year and then voting again to override the eventual veto?

    1. avatar That One Guy says:

      It is likely they will, but success depends on who wins the Governor’s Mansion in the fall, as well as a handful of state house and senate seats.

      Then, of course, we get to wait another year to get access to our constitutional rights.

  40. avatar Thomas Ronayne says:

    If the Legislature gave it a veto proof vote the their leader should call a special session, override the veto and then go home.
    Checks and balances work both ways. Send her a message and then vote her out, in that order.

  41. avatar CountryHoss says:

    After years of silently following TTAG it is very unfortunate that my first post is going to make me the target of intense flaming but here goes: I see her point. She is looking for a filter that will allow POTG to carry but will prevent criminals from being able to carry. I would think that everyone here would support that objective, at least in theory. In my book, having to complete a simple application with a guaranteed “must issue” constitutes inconvenience, not infringement. (I dont live in OK so I am assuming that the application requirements are as low as she describes.) Personally, I believe this would have the desired effect because the majority of criminals would not comply with the application requirement, either because they dont have a legal firearm or just due to the general criminal mentality (same reason they often dont have driver’s licenses or valid registration.)
    And for those who would respond with the slippery slope argument, do really believe the OK legislature would ever let things get past the current level of regulation?
    Ok, have at it…

  42. avatar Brad La Fleur says:

    I agree with CountryHoss. I am at a complete loss as to why all the negative comments unless they are individuals who are completely incompetent with a firearm. I for one would not be comfortable with anyone carrying a firearm who has not been through an NRA Certified Conceal Course. I have carried both CCW and open carry here in New Mexico for many, many years and would highly endorse the requirement for proper training in the handling and carrying of a firearm.
    If you don’t agree with this, you are simply lazy and irresponsible. The gun laws in Oklahoma are extremely lenient and reasonable compared to those of New Mexico which has some of the strictest gun laws in the country. I am more than comfortable with those in the State who have passed a NM CCW Course.
    Good call Governor! The rest of you need to get a life. Ask the NRA what they think.

  43. avatar Alan says:

    Override by the legislature seems appropriate, as perhaps does a change in the person sitting in the governor’s chair. This last being something for the voters to undertake.

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