Good Defensive Gun Use or Irresponsible Gun Owner of the Day?

A customer at a Santa Ana, California restaurant, waiting in his car for his burger and fries, looked through the drive-thru window and saw a masked man with a gun walk in and demand cash. The driver then pulled a gun and opened fire on the armed robber.

At least one shot hits the drink machine. Next you see the man turns and he is wounded and falls to the floor.

“Tres balazos,” said witness and restaurant cook Daniel Acevedo. That translates into three bullets.

Detectives marked at least two bullet holes.

Acevedo said the shots came from the drive-thru window.

The cook said a man and two women had pulled up to order food at the same time the robber was inside. He does not believe they were together.

“Al mejor el carro quizo ayudar,” Acevedo said, believing the people in the car were trying to help, at best.

The shooter then sped off into the night. The stick-up man was hit once in the back and cops found him bleeding not far away. He was hospitalized and is expected to recover.

You make the call: good defensive gun use or irresponsible gun owner of the day?

comments

  1. avatar No one of consequence says:

    Or would you believe that it mightn’t be both?

    (With apologies to Andrew Lloyd Weber)

    1. avatar kevin says:

      Si, porque no los dos?
      Both a good shoot and an irresponsible one. But since only the bad guy got hit, I call it overall a thumbs-up.

  2. avatar Rocketman says:

    Irresponsible. The shooters action escalated an already tense situation and put the unarmed patrons and staff in danger.

    1. avatar ANONNYMOUS says:

      +1, I agree with Rocketman:

      The drive-thru customers were in their own, separate and private environment.
      Being within that –private and separate environment– exactly how/when were the drive-thru customers under threat of bodily-harm and/or death?
      If the drive-thru customers were in-fact legit, did they (drive-thru customers) call to report the incident?

      Once again, ‘no one’ is under any obligation to get involved on someone else’s behalf; yet, here we are.

      If the DGU does not directly involve you and yours, along with some considerable legal staff/backing; keep it moving. In other words (IOW), mind your business.

      This is not rocket science

      1. avatar CZJay says:

        You can intervene to protect another person. They may have not been danger, but the people in the business were in immediate danger. Shooting the armed robber might be illegal in California, but it isn’t immoral or unjust.

        I rather live in a country were citizen help out other citizens rather than run away because government will punish them for protecting the community from criminals.

        Criminals should be afraid of everyone not just a man in a uniform. Silence should be just as terrifying as the sound of sirens.

        1. avatar CZJay says:

          Suspect’s family angry that people don’t mind their business; they should just keep it moving:

        2. avatar zebra dun says:

          Have a good lawyer on call then.

      2. avatar SE Texan says:

        The drive-thru customers could have driven off and left the woman to what may have happened to her and the customers inside. There are people who will help their follow man in time of need. The drive-thru customer took action to end the threat of an armed felon action. From what I see in the video a cup of something was hit (not the drink machine) (Coke was safe), a trim panel was damaged and a window was broken. A ‘bad guy’ was brought to law.
        I am glad I live where people help those in need. See Houston Strong and all those that we continue to thank God every day that they helped so many in their need.

      3. avatar Bruce Frank says:

        Several states have phrases in their CCW permits calling for considered action by the licensee to come to the aid of those in danger. Heck, the Bible admonishes one to come to the aid and protection of the life of one’s self, family, friends and neighbors.

        One out of three shots connecting ain’t great, but it rivals many law enforcement officers accuracy in a high tension situation. Bravo to the shooter and I can fiond no reason to criticize him for leaving the scene, due to the attitude about guns in CA even in direct self defense!

    2. avatar kevin says:

      “The robber’s action created a tense situation and put the unarmed patrons and staff in danger.”

      Fixed that for you. I know that’s what you meant to say.

      1. avatar Rad Man says:

        Well done!

  3. avatar Jacob says:

    If you have a clear shot, take it. I don’t know what the shooter could see from his POV but he hit the robber.
    Seems like a good but unusual DGU.

    1. avatar Geoff PR says:

      “If you have a clear shot, take it.”

      Well, there’s the “Know your target and what’s behind it” problem…

      1. avatar Jacob says:

        @Geoff PR
        That is true. The backstop probably wasn’t the best.

    2. avatar Jonathan-Houston says:

      Except he wasn’t even involved or being attacked. I’m not sure it even counts as a defensive gun use. Looks more like vigilantism to me. He should have driven off and called the police.

      The fact is he did not have a clean shot, as a wounded drink machine can report. Despite putting two in the perp, he could not be sure of what was beyond his target, either. He couldn’t possibly see through the opposite side windows to see who was in the parking lot or entering the restaurant, where his stray round(s) ended up.

      1. avatar CZJay says:

        Imagine the dangerous car chase and the many bullets that would likely be sent through the neighborhood by the police. It’s ironic that the shooter fired thrice yet probably saved the robber’s life.

        In Brasil, robbers get blasted on the spot. If the robber/s can’t run fast enough they will catch a lot of bullets.

        I don’t like to label citizen/victim use of force as vigilantism because their job isn’t to arrest. I am more likely to label a cop a vigilante than a citizen. Residents of the U.S. shouldn’t fear going to prison for defending property, life and liberty. If someone has any feeling that they will go to prison for murder if they intervene, they will let innocent people die in order to save their liberty.

      2. avatar Jacob says:

        @Jonathan-Houston
        That is true. The backstop seems like it wasn’t the best.

      3. avatar Icabod says:

        There’s that recent DGU where two heros ran to their guns and confronted the shoot as he left the resturant. Had the driver in this case just driven around he could have done the same thing. Shoot from inside a car, through a window, without a good backstop? Stupid.

      4. avatar neiowa says:

        vigilantism – passive aggressive prog pansiesm

  4. avatar MDB says:

    Well….was it a Coke, or a Pepsi dispenser? My verdict hinges on this vital bit of information

    1. avatar Dave in PTC says:

      Time to reveal your preference.
      Incidentally, the Pepsi drinkers in my family are Glock owners. The Coke drinkers in the family are 1911 owners (a mix of brands).

      1. avatar MDB says:

        Coke, definitely Coke.

        But i do own one Glock 19…probably because I do like Mountain Dew.

    2. avatar Steve says:

      It was the damn ice cream machine at McDonald’s that they JUST got fixed!

    3. avatar Cory C. says:

      Agreed. Death to all Pepsi machines!

  5. avatar Paul Mcmichael says:

    Wow! That’s a tough one. In Florida I think it would be a righteous shoot. But… Good guy should not have fled.

    1. avatar john y says:

      It is a crime to have a loaded gun in your vehicle in Cali. In fact, it is a crime to have ammo and firearm in the same compartment. Based on court cases a locked glove box does not constitute a separate compartment.

      1. avatar TrappedInCommiefornia says:

        Unless he had a ccw.

      2. avatar tickTalk says:

        No, its not. In the PDRC you can have a full mag right beside the weapon in a locked case or in the locked trunk, and it is legal. The case cannot be attached to the vehicle… something about hides.
        Interestingly it is legal for an unloaded firearm to just sit on the passenger seat, with ammo sitting right beside it as long as it is in plain sight, as it is not considered concealed.
        But, all of this only applies for carrying the gun to and from the range, or hunting, etc.. all illegal for just self defense.

  6. avatar kap says:

    a lot of shoulda, woulda, coulda’s with this scenario! one thing is sure, easy money thief got a surprise of his life! Its easy too judge when we are not there!

  7. avatar Jay in Florida says:

    Irresponsible.
    But if I were in a seated position and could take deliberate aim. Im good enough to hit a man sized target in the vital zone no question up to about 20-25 yards. I don’t practice at any distances much further then that with a handgun.
    But irresponsible for running off after the fact. Assuming all else was/is legal on his part.

  8. avatar Geoff PR says:

    “The shooter then sped off into the night.”

    It’s possible it was a gang shooting.

    Driver saw the robber was an enemy, and took him out before the robber saw him and ‘busted a cap in his ass’.

    That would explain the not sticking around for the cops…

    1. avatar Dev says:

      Exactly what I thought.

    2. avatar bobo says:

      or more simply

      its anti gun use/ownership commniefornia!

    3. avatar Hannibal says:

      yup.

      OR he was pissed that his fries weren’t getting served

      I would believe either scenario

  9. avatar RayS says:

    Not a good example of the “good guy with a gun”. Shooter surely had limited visibility of everything going on in the place. I likely would have called 911, then took a position near the door. Running off doesnt look good.

  10. avatar former water walker says:

    Neither?!? Sounds awfully suspicious. And Commiefornia😧

  11. avatar Ralph says:

    I’m not going to second-guess the defender. But here’s the real, burning question — did he get his burger with or without cheese?

  12. avatar CZJay says:

    Got to run away because you can’t really get a permission slip to exercise your rights in California (almost everyone has to carry illegally) and they don’t like it when citizens — who don’t have a badge — shoot people especially if they happen to hit them in the back. Plus, he might be a Mexican living in California illegally or he might get his permission slip revoked forever for defending others.

    It’s the best you can do in California. I don’t fault the shooter for running for his life and liberty… I hope he is never arrested.

    1. avatar cisco kid says:

      quote———————–I hope he is never arrested.————–quote

      With the plethora of security camera’s in almost every business there is almost zero chance they will not identify the vehicle he was driving.

      And he could be arrested for an arms length of charges. Carrying concealed or unconcealed , endangering the public, creating panic, reckless use of a weapon, illegal use of a weapon, and he could be sued by the man he shot and even though its unlikely he would lose in the law suit the cost of legal defense could easily hit the 100,000 mark in court. Even most stand your ground laws only protect you from the cops arresting or prosecuting you not from being sued by the person you shot.

  13. avatar FedUp says:

    There was a real armed robber, who was really threatening to shoot innocent people?

    And somebody fired shots in his direction, and nobody but the robber was injured?

    Good shoot.

    And good sense to not mess with LEOs and Prostituting Attorneys in Commifornia if you can just GTFO.

    1. avatar Lcsw says:

      Exactly.

      Why are people here saying he was irresponsible for driving off? It’s dang Cali. He would be arrested for exercising his 2nd amendment rights.

  14. avatar Nanashi says:

    The bad guy is alive so it could be better.

  15. avatar Edward Rogers says:

    I don’t know what the city or county laws, regarding conceal carry are there. I understand many places in California are quite restrictive.

    I would guess the shooter wasn’t licensed. If I was in his/her shoes, I wouldn’t risk taking the shot. There were too many unknowable variables and his/her life wasn’t immediately threatened.

    1. avatar john y says:

      It is a crime to have a loaded gun in your vehicle in Cali. In fact, it is a crime to have ammo and firearm in the same compartment. Based on court cases a locked glove box does not constitute a separate compartment.

      Do not know how a carry permit affects this but unless you are well connected or have the money for a significant bribe you are not going to get one in most of Cali anyway.

      1. avatar tickTalk says:

        Again. No, it is not.

  16. avatar Gralnok says:

    I’d say, excellent shot, and good defensive gun use. Commifornia would likely want to lock him up for anything resembling a responsible gun use because it doesn’t fit the disarmerment agenda. Best to do your good deed then get outta Dodge.

  17. avatar Billybob says:

    Looks like mexican justice to me.

  18. avatar Matthew the Oilman says:

    Is the drink dispenser still in the hospital? All things considered, not the brightest course of action.

  19. avatar Kendahl says:

    Three shots. One hit the robber and none hit an innocent person. That’s better than many cops do. Whether he was good or just lucky, the result was the same. An armed robbery thwarted. I suspect he ran because he wasn’t carrying legally. I hope the cops don’t try very hard to find him.

  20. avatar whoopie says:

    The question of was it right or wrong is irrelevant, what’s done is done. Since nobody but the bad guy was harmed, I’d say well done. Pity about that damaged soda machine though.

  21. avatar Rusty Chains says:

    Looks like the very best shot from the NYPD was on vacation in CA, and rather than hang around to fill out paperwork he decided to head on out.

  22. avatar cisco kid says:

    You know the old saying ” I smell something fishy here”. In the first place there has never been a drive up window where I personally could have seen a robbery going on inside the building. Your generally sitting low in a car and can only see the person you are talking to and maybe a small portion of the ceiling. This would make the angle of the shot very difficult even if the driver could have seen what was going on. I find this story not very believable.

    Assuming we had a very unusual drive up window where the driver of the car could see in the window and was sitting high enough up to even make the shot if he had hit an innocent person he would have ruined himself financially for life and probably went to prison as well.

    Here in uncivilized America we still have that wild west mentality especially in primitive Nazi States like Texas where human life is considered cheap and expendable. I remember some years ago some half mad Texas Hill Jack that phoned in a robbery in progress. The robbers were actually robbing a house where no one was home and were leaving. In other words they were not threatening anyone and not stealing anything of much value. The half mad Hill Jack was told to stay put and not to interfere as the cops were on the way but he played judge , jury and executioner and murdered both men. Of course in Texas he was given a hero’s party and despite protests by more civilized people. Texas often resembles Nazi Germany and they simply exonerated the mad dog Hill Jack who took the law into his own hands. It seems that Texas values a few coins in the pocket from the rather low priced furniture the robbers took as more valuable than human life. In some other more civilized U.S. States the Hill Jack would have went to jail for a long, long time.

    In Ohio one greed monger who killed a kid trying to break into his barn to steal his rusty old lawnmower went to jail for murder as well he should have but Ohio is a more civilized country to live in than Nazi Texas.

    Small wonder more and more people are getting fed up with gun owners trying to take the law into their own hands and putting everyone else in a restaurant or in a neighborhood at risk form being killed by A stray bullet.

    Many European countries put a stop to this type of nonsense many decades ago but then again they have professionally trained police not untrained moron cops who in the U.S. in the recent past ended up killing the hostages rather than the terrorist. I had to laugh when the U.S. Hill Jacks on this forum were trying to make fun of the French when their police stormed a building, killed the terrorist, and not one hostage was harmed. In France they let the professionals do it because they are professionals not gun toting U.S. hill jacks looking for a moment of glory or untrained cops making just as big a mess when trying to rescue hostages.

    1. avatar Jedi Wombat says:

      Not for nothing, but I drive a truck and have good visibilty into places through the drive through window. Based on your prior comments, I stopped reading after that, but a truck or SUV will allow you to see into a restaurant. Also, I would have called 911 regardless of where it was. Not my monkeys, not my circus, not my problem.

      1. avatar cisco kid says:

        to the Force of Darkness and a wannabe Jedi

        quote———————-Not for nothing, but I drive a truck and have good visibilty into places through the drive through window. Based on your prior comments, I stopped reading after that, but a truck or SUV will allow you to see into a restaurant. Also, I would have called 911 regardless of where it was. Not my monkeys, not my circus, not my problem.————————————quote

        Attention deficit disorder is not my problem its yours.

    2. avatar Indiana Tom says:

      Many European countries put a stop to this type of nonsense many decades ago
      You do know Lars from the Survival Russia channel has a Concealed Carry Permit in the heart of the Soviet Union. He even could carry on the outside of the Kremlin. Try that in D.C.!

    3. avatar Gun Free School Zones are a crime against humanity says:

      comrade cisco claims that the US is a socialist nation. Then he says it’s nazi. He’s right, you know. Socialist, communist, fascist. All the same.

      Claiming that Ohio is a separate country just shows his lack of education. But this is the best we can expect from this mental defective.

    4. avatar RMS1911 says:

      Since you don’t have an anchor tied to your ass quit your bitchin’ and move to Europe or Mexico they have all the gun laws you want.
      Texas still has decent laws when it comes to thieves.

      1. avatar Gun Free School Zones are a crime against humanity says:

        He claims the socialist paradise of europe had strict immigration laws and they won’t take him. He must have a criminal record.

    5. avatar Paul Mcmichael says:

      Cisco, your arguments might have merit if you had any idea of what you’re talking about. Most of the best shots and most tactically sound people I know are ordinary citizens. Why? Because they’re coming out of pocket for their firearms, gear, ammo and training. I was a law enforcement firearms instructor for almost 25 years. About 1/2 L.E.O.s wouldn’t go to a range if they weren’t paid/made to go. That’s an unscientific estimate of course. Based it on the amount of bitching I heard over the years. Not to say that there aren’t a lot of very proficient, tactically sound L.E.O.s out there. There’s a lot. Trusted my life to them every day, but most are just average. Now, L.E.O.s overseas are better trained, more professional than U.S. cops? Let me tell you something. Cops are just like everyone else. All over the planet. Some are squared away. Some are lazy. Some know exactly what they’re doing. Some don’t have a clue. Cisco, I have a question for you. What do you do for a living? Besides piss and moan, I mean. That can’t pay very well. In fact, I suppose more people would you to shut the fuck up. Listening to ignorance is tedious.

      1. avatar cisco kid says:

        to paul

        quote———————-Cisco, your arguments might have merit if you had any idea of what you’re talking about. Most of the best shots and most tactically sound people I know are ordinary citizens. Why? Because they’re coming out of pocket for their firearms, gear, ammo and training. I was a law enforcement firearms instructor for almost 25 years. About 1/2 L.E.O.s wouldn’t go to a range if they weren’t paid/made to go. That’s an unscientific estimate of course. Based it on the amount of bitching I heard over the years. Not to say that there aren’t a lot of very proficient, tactically sound L.E.O.s out there. There’s a lot. Trusted my life to them every day, but most are just average. Now, L.E.O.s overseas are better trained, more professional than U.S. cops? Let me tell you something. Cops are just like everyone else. All over the planet. Some are squared away. Some are lazy. Some know exactly what they’re doing. Some don’t have a clue. Cisco, I have a question for you. What do you do for a living? Besides piss and moan, I mean. That can’t pay very well. In fact, I suppose more people would you to shut the fuck up. Listening to ignorance is tedious.———————quote

        If you really have been in law enforcement you have not learned much at all. Most of the people in my concealed carry class could not even safely load their firearms, they were actually pointing them at other people and almost none of them even hit the target and trying to tell me that they were all first class shots and I should not be worried if they cut loose with a hail of gun fire in a restaurant I happened to be in. I would be in more danger from them than the guy that came in to rob the place. Get real.

        As as far as your disparaging remarks about European Police it again shows that you probably never have been in law enforcement or if you have you know exactly ZERO about how well trained some of them are. German police get 3 years of intensive training in all forms of police work both in knowing the laws and becoming expert shots. You yourself even admitted in your post what numb skulls the average hillbilly cops are and that is one of lack of training. French police are also very well trained and they have proven this in many of the terrorist attacks they neutralized.

        And as far as your disparaging remarks toward me. Your the one who is fked up. Your just the average ignorant hill jack that does not have a clue about gun laws or their effectiveness in this country or foreign ones or the problem with untrained cops in America.

        Give up your out of your league Jethro stick to your own expertise on how to best shovel manure on the back forty, then I would be more inclined to believe you knew what you were talking about.

        1. avatar Paul Mcmichael says:

          Cisco, you’re right. The Germans did a great job rescuing the Israelis at the Munch Olympics. And the French have done an outstanding job of defending their citizens in recent terrorist attacks. Their gun laws prevented those really bad guys from using those fully automatic AK-47s, too. You doubt my bonifides? Book a flight to Tallahassee. Let me know when you will arrive. I’ll give you a tour of the North Florida Public Safety Institute. (Google it.) Let you shoot a few weapons. Even full automatic. You’ll meet many of my former colleagues. Federal, state and local. They’ll be civil to you, even have lunch with you, but they won’t like you very much. They don’t suffer fools well. You never answered my question about what you do for a living. I have another; “How does it feel to be stupid?” It must be a burden.

        2. avatar cisco kid says:

          to Paul mess up

          quote—————–Cisco, you’re right. The Germans did a great job rescuing the Israelis at the Munch Olympics. And the French have done an outstanding job of defending their citizens in recent terrorist attacks. Their gun laws prevented those really bad guys from using those fully automatic AK-47s, too————————quote

          I don’t have to make a fool of you as you are doing a good job of proving what an uneducated back woods hick you really are.

          The Ak-47’s you mentioned in France you Moron were supplied by a foreign government and had nothing to do with a French failure of any of their gun laws. When a foreign country attacks you that is an act of war and the terrorists were supplied with training , weapons and money. Now I know this is way over your head as you are not capable of understanding the difference in a domestic law as opposed to being attacked by a foreign country which of course is not going to obey any laws let alone yours.

          Brother if you were ever in law enforcement you must of bought your way in as your knowledge of law, terrorism and police and military work border’s on below absolute zero. No wonder the police in this country are in so much trouble with the public these days. It goes beyond pure stupidity as even Jethro Bodine and the Beverly Hillbillies would rate as above Genius next to you.

        3. avatar WARFAB says:

          Quote Cisco Kid: “Most of the people in my concealed carry class could not even safely load their firearms, they were actually pointing them at other people and almost none of them even hit the target and trying to tell me that they were all first class shots and I should not be worried if they cut loose with a hail of gun fire in a restaurant I happened to be in.”

          From this quote I can conclude two things: A: Cisco kid doesn’t understand what a straw man argument is or why it’s a logical fallacy. B: Cisco kid didn’t actually take a legit concealed carry class.

    6. avatar CZJay says:

      French gun laws and immigration policy:

      California gun laws and police policy:

      Cops responding to a robbery at a fast food restaurant:

      Contrast the outcome of this particular untrained citizen shooting an armed robber and the linked video of cops shooting an “armed” robber. The citizen fired 3 times and hit the intended target 2 times. The police fired numerous shots at the robber almost hitting at least 4 innocent people, killing the robber as he ran away in the parking lot and actually shooting one of those four innocent bystanders to death (who was ordered to stand at the door by police).

    7. avatar Huntmaster says:

      Hey Troll, “Japanese society is 98.5% Ethnic Japanese.” CIA Library, “The World Factbook.

    8. avatar Huntmaster says:

      Troll

  23. avatar FlamencoD says:

    Irresponsible. Very much so IMO.

  24. avatar Rusty Chains says:

    Only thing I smell is overheated Crisco….common enough, but fairly unpleasant.

    1. avatar cisco kid says:

      to Rusty Brains

      quote———————–Only thing I smell is overheated Crisco….common enough, but fairly unpleasant.———————–quote

      That is your own breath blowing back in your face. If you hillbillies went to the dentist more you would not have that problem. Its seems that hillbillies get an orgasm whenever a tooth rots out or they get so bad they need pulled. Its another reason the whole nation is desperate for a National Health Care Program but again even if dental care were free you would never go. Its the hillbilly way of living.

      1. avatar Paul Mcmichael says:

        Uh, wondering what dental care’s revelence is to a firearms forum?

        1. avatar Geoff PR says:

          *Psssst.*

          ‘Comrade’ Crisco believes gun owners are a bunch of ignorant hicks.

          Let him keep that delusion, shall we? It will make things go *much* easier when the proper time comes.

          Soon… 😉

  25. avatar Indiana Tom says:

    but Ohio is a more civilized country to live in than Nazi Texas.

    I would not bet on that.

  26. avatar billy-bob says:

    Better shooter than NYPD cops, with their 57 shots to hit half a dozen bystanders.

  27. avatar Indiana Tom says:

    Gee….it is amazing how fast the German immigrants picked up English compared to the current crop of immigrants in Commiefornia. Maybe the Krauts economic opportunities had something to do with that. Sink or swim.

  28. avatar Indiana Tom says:

    You make the call: good defensive gun use or irresponsible gun owner of the day?
    Aside from speaking something that might not pass for Spanish in Castille, it seems like a good shoot, but the legality of all this in Commiefornia may be questionable.
    No, my daughter lived in Salamanca and their version of Spanish is different than Mexican Spanish. New World Hispanics really struggled with it. Of course my exchange student from Tarragona spoke very poor Spanish, in Tarragona, they do not speak Spanish but Catalan.

  29. avatar John Galt says:

    It’s commiefornia……why stick around to be treated worse than the pos armed robber?

    Only sorry the thief didn’t die

    1. avatar Trullan says:

      Argh..
      I can’t take it anymore.
      The PDRC is NOT communist. It is socialist. Learn the difference.
      Its like calling the fascist trump administration Nazis. Different in function, though similar results.

      1. avatar CZJay says:

        Fascism, socialism and communism are all the same. The difference is what the populace will allow you to get away with.

        Right now the U.S. is a nationalist socialist country. It doesn’t matter what their Constitution says or what their founders intended/wanted.

        The Left want to continue the transition to non-binary, atheist, globalist communism and the Right want to maintain an ethno, imperialist, corporatist state. Regardless which the American populace chooses, the same people will be in charge.

  30. avatar Soda jerk says:

    Good intention, wrong decision

  31. avatar GoD says:

    Bottom line bad guy got shot b4 he killed everyone there!

    When someone comes in a well occupied business… armed …willing to use lethal force …how can u assume he’s there to let everyone go making dozens of witnesses against him for his trial.

    You assume he’s there for the worst and u don’t want to live with on your conscious if u were there armed and trained and did nothing…

  32. avatar Juice says:

    With nothing more than the information presented here, I’d say GDGU. Nobody but the bad guy got an extra hole in them. There are other factors you *could* consider that aren’t apparent. If the drive-thru shooter had anyone else in the car with them, would have been more prudent to just drive away to safety.

    As for shooting from your car, through a window: looks to me like the shooter had good placement and it’s hard to argue with the results. Don’t let range safety fool you when you go for target practice. You will not get a square, clear area to shoot into.

  33. avatar neiowa says:

    Daniel Acevedo – IF you’re here legally fing learn ENGLISH. If you are not then GO HOME.

    1. avatar Springfield Armory still sucks says:

      Santa Ana, a city of 334,000 people, is now 80% mexican. Another nearby city of the same size is 90% mexican. They are not the minority and so they won’t try to learn english. Just let California secede from the rest of the country.

  34. avatar Erik Weisz says:

    I would have done the same (except for missing), including the leaving afterwards part – though I have no idea why I would ever be in Californiastan in the first place. Assuming I had to go there, I definitely would have been armed regardless of their infringement on my rights, and it’s wrong not to save someone else’s life if you have them ability and means when they’re in danger, even if it means you could lose your own freedom for doing so. If breaking a few more unconstitutional laws helps avoid negative repercussions from your own good deed, that is also the right thing to do. Besides, in California, leaving the scene is nothing compared to being armed and prepared in the first place, and if you were to be caught afterwards and they charged you additionally with leaving the scene, it would only serve to call attention to why, and raise concerns about the illogical and unconstitutional legal environment that led to your own necessary intervention in the first place.
    Moral of the story – just stay out of California.

  35. avatar Springfield Armory still sucks says:

    If there was an accomplice to the bad guy outside, that person could have returned fire at the people in the car. Or a good guy with a gun could have shot at the people in the car thinking they were the bad guys.

  36. avatar James W Crawford says:

    I would need to know California law to renderban opinion on the legality.

    From a moral perspective this shooting was obviously justified.

    From a tactical perspective, it is questionable.

    I would base the call on the behavior of the armed robber. If an armed robber is reasonably calm and just asking for money as they brandish a weapon, escalating the situation is iladvised. If the armed robber is already shooting, definately shoot them. If the armed robber is physically assaulting or abusing people which is an escalation and probable precurssor to shooting, probably shoot them depending on your skill and position.

    1. avatar RayS says:

      Regardless of our opinions, just read an article that local LE looking for shooter to file charges.

  37. avatar Mikial says:

    I don’t think it was irresponsible, the shooter seemed to know what he was doing. Having had the severe misfortune to be stationed in California in the Army, and then being stuck there for 18 months after getting out, the armed citizen probably didn’t have a carry permit but decided to take action against the robber anyway. But then reality hit and he realized he would be arrested for doing a good deed and got the heck out of there to prevent that. Places like California, New York and Maryland are making it more and more difficult for people to defend themselves against criminals. After all, it’s the criminals families who are voting to keep the Democrats in office. They wouldn’t want to alienate their voting block.

  38. avatar zebra dun says:

    I would have minded my own business. Too many citizens in danger as it was, as long as the perp did not shoot there as no real reason to respond. CCW owners are not Police this was dangerous and foolish even if morally right.

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