BREAKING – Florida Republicans Pass Gun Control Bill

Florida Governor Rick Scott

The Republican Super Majority in Florida passed gun control bill SB 7026. It is now headed to Governor Rick Scott’s desk. SB 7026 is his baby of a bill and horrible in every sense of the word . . .

This bill makes it illegal for anyone under the age of 21 to buy a long gun. It makes possession and ownership and bump stock or similar accessory a third degree felony starting October 1, 2018.

It absolutely throws out due process with restraining orders now, and it doesn’t even allow teachers to carry on campus. That part was stripped from the bill.

Instead only certain non teaching staff can carry and only if the School Board allows volunteers to take part in the program. The schools in counties like Miami-Dade, Broward (home of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School), Leo, and Orange will not.

790.065 Sale and delivery of firearms.— A person younger than 21 years of age may not purchase a firearm. The sale or transfer of a firearm to a person younger than 21 years of age may not be made or facilitated by a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer. A person who violates this subsection commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. The prohibitions of this subsection do not apply to the purchase of a rifle or shotgun by a law enforcement officer or correctional officer, as those terms are defined in s. 943.10(1), (2), (3), (6), (7), (8), or (9), or a service member as defined in s. 250.01.

Effective October 1, 2018, section 790.222, 735 Florida Statutes, is created to read:

790.222 Bump-fire stocks prohibited.—A person may not import into this state or transfer, distribute, sell, keep for sale, offer for sale, possess, or give to another person a bump fire stock. A person who violates this section commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this section, the term “bump fire stock” means a conversion kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device used to alter the rate of fire of a firearm to mimic automatic weapon fire or which is used to increase the rate of fire to a faster rate than is possible for a person to fire such semiautomatic firearm unassisted by a kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device.

Reading the underlined portion of the Statute 790.222 is not comforting in any way. It is so vague that it could mean just about anything. Accessories that can accelerate the rate of fire of a semi automatic rifle without converting the semi automatic rifle into a machine gun:

Bump stocks
Crank fire devices
Binary triggers
3 gun triggers (Geissele and LaRue, among others, makes a wide variety)
Lightweight bolt carrier groups
Buffer springs and different buffer weights
Gas system length
Adjustable Gas blocks
TRANSFERABLE / REGISTERED Lightening Link (the host remains semi, the LL is the MG)
TRANSFERABLE / REGISTERED DIAS (the host remains semi, the RDIAS is the MG)
TRANSFERABLE / REGISTERED HK sears and trigger packs (the host remains semi, the sear or pack is the MG)
TRANSFERABLE / REGISTERED FNC sears (the host remains semi, the sear is the MG)

On March 5 the Florida Senate passed SB 7026 with 20 Yeas to 18 Nays.

 

On March 7 the House of Representatives passed the bill with 67 Yeas to 50 Nays.

Many of those names that voted yes are Republicans who campaigned on pro-gun platforms. The bill is headed to the Governor’s desk where it’s highly likely it will receive his signature. Stay tuned for more information as it develops.

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  1. avatar pwrserge says:

    Wow… even in Illinoisistan we managed to fight off a bum-stock ban that retarded. Ours doesn’t even cover binary triggers.

    1. avatar stateisevil says:

      Your boy Trump gave them cover at the right time.

      1. avatar Hank says:

        Yep. Wether people think he was playing 9 dimensional voodoo chess or not doesn’t matter anymore. Trumps retorhic gave Florida RINOs cover and officially caused more gun control for several million Americans tonight.

        1. avatar pwrserge says:

          Remind me again… what position does Trump have with the Florida legislature?

        2. avatar Flinch says:

          Blame the NRA for this one. If you act like a wall, eventually people will just go around you. The nra could have folded on something minor allowing those legislators in their pocket to claim some kind of victory, but to bitch about everything, even dumb things, and be perpetually tone deaf, well, that’s how the nra made itself useless and obsolete. Fine with me their gone. Now maybe we can focus on the real issues and ignore the noise in the news.

          Actually, maybe this is all a ploy to scare us into buying more guns like during obama’s years. Maybe this is all a game and the nra is playing us to supply shoppers to it’s real constituents.

          Or not.

        3. avatar Fred says:

          The nra doesn’t have much room for maneuvering. It gave ground in background checks and the registration of machine guns. So the purpose of 2a is effectively thwarted because the government approves all gun transactions and can designate what kinds of guns and which people are not a threat to its own interests.
          That should have been enough to stop any criminal. If the state and fed had done their jobs, it would have been. But their agents screwed up so it’s now on gun owners to apologize and give more ground.

          It’s not hard to foresee lots of mistakes and oversights in the fbi’s future that result in the NRA having to give up a little on every issue until there is nothing left. The government is incentivized to ignore tragedy, not stop it.

        4. avatar Hannibal says:

          Jesus, I swear some people “blame the NRA” when they smack their knee on the table at home

          The NRA’s job is not to give in on gun control. It’s members very much want the opposite of that. It “gave a little” for decades, getting NOTHING in return and faced a revolt because gun owners got tired of that brand of ‘compromise.’

      2. avatar Hunter427 says:

        Trump shot his big mouth off this time. Well if 21 is a safe age for gun ownership then 21 yrs old should be for every deadly weapon and that includes cars, motorcycle, trucks and drinking, Because these items are responsible for more deaths of people under 21 then guns by far. You can add voting rights to because their brain are not develop enough to make logical decisions.

        1. avatar RJB says:

          You forgot to add cell phones to the list of things killing people, as in idiot liberal youth who continue to text and drive, that’s causing far more accidents and death than anyone realizes.

        2. avatar Steve Day says:

          I fully agree.

    2. avatar Tile floor says:

      A felony?! Seriously??! Are they freaking high??

      Caving to social media pressure. No testicular fortitude.

      I’ve gotten into plenty of arguments with people on here about various things. But I stand with each and every one of you and ever freedom loving gun owner to resist this bullshit.

      Remember, RF made one of the best points I’ve heard a while back. There is no compromise on gun rights. A compromise would be getting something in return for giving something up. What the left are demanding are concessions.

      1. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

        ‘Caving to social media pressure.’

        Caving to bot pressure, more likely. Divide whatever public outcry they think they’re hearing by 1,000 and you’d be closer to the mark. Someday everyone will know this including CEOs and politicians.

        Oh well, maybe now they c an cave to primary pressure.

        1. avatar MiamiC70 says:

          Then it should be 21 to serve and 21 to vote as well.

    3. avatar binder says:

      Well that’s what happens when all the pro gun side says that a stock that used the recoil to reset the trigger is the same as a typical semi-auto. But whatever.

      The nice part is that a Chauchat has a ROF of about 240 RPM, about 25 splits. So in theory any double action revolver or semi auto can now be classified as a machine gun in Florida.

      1. avatar Scoutino says:

        That’s what happens when the NRA says the bump stocks need to be regulated. And when (R) President, heavily supported by NRA, calls for more gun control on national television, making fun of others being petrified by the NRA. Now all the RINOs can say – “See, even Trump wants to grab guns now and worry about due process later!”

        1. avatar Binder says:

          The original version of the was.

          And it was funny how all the pro gun responses before Vegas were its just a range toy. Then the response was well, it’s technically leagal. Them it was omg if they ban them a violation of the Second Amendment.

          Somehow we forgot that the only major gun restrictions ever overturned was Heller, and somehow we thought that bump stocks were going to fall under the same protection. And even better yet, when a law was passed it was not going to be a big mess.

        2. avatar GunGal says:

          Primary these traitors out! Let’s them know that we the people are their bosses,
          Johnny boy, you are done in Texas
          If you don’t vote, don’t whine about the results

      2. avatar Steve Day says:

        LOL @ Binder.
        I saw the comment and immediately knew it would be your name above it!

        Still spewing Utter Nonsense about Bump-Stocks I see.

        I don’t own a bump-stock and never thought of getting one, but at least I know the facts about them.

        They categorically DO NOT have anything to do with “resetting the trigger” as you proclaim! Yoh must have watched a CNN primer about them, because your knowledge of how they work is right up there with Fake News merchants.

        1. avatar Wzrd says:

          “LOL @ Binder.
          I saw the comment and immediately knew it would be your name above it!”
          +1

    4. avatar Ed says:

      “…which is used to increase the rate of fire to a faster rate than is possible for a person to fire such semiautomatic firearm unassisted by a kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device.”

      Does a belt loop fall under “..kit, tool, an accessory or a device.”? And if so, do Floridians have to wear sweatpants to the range now??? Lets face it, the Progressives got children who can’t yet vote to presure these IDIOTS into passing some feel good garbage with the help of the Prog media. The snowball is now rolling people…w.t.f. I wonder how many bump stocks/ binary triggers will be turned in without compensation? As of now Mass holds the number to beat at a whopping FOUR! If you listen real hard you can hear liberty dying….

      1. avatar Sam I Am says:

        “I wonder how many bump stocks/ binary triggers will be turned in without compensation?”

        Based solely on the snippets of the law presented in the original posting, it appears that “illegal” items cannot be turned-in at all. That would require possession and transport, both of which are felonies.

      2. avatar Bob h says:

        Speaking of snowballs, Marco Rubio just announced a “bi-partisan” gun control bill that includes federal endorsement of gun violence restraining orders, raising the minimum firearm purchase age to 21 and banning bump stocks. All things El Donaldo said he supports… unless he’s playing double backwards upside down underwater 4D backgammon with the democrats… 👍

      3. avatar Ed Schrade says:

        Don’t forget to turn in rubber bands also. It will take some lawsuits to end this bit of foolishness. Also, Florida needs to find someone to run against these gutless RINO traitors. Does Florida have a recall option to get these gutless wonders out.

    5. avatar Kevin says:

      Police failed,FBI failed and the gun owners get hit once again! I have a question. Who honestly fights for the responsible firearms owners now days?

      1. avatar Joatmon says:

        No one. We’re on our own basically.

    6. avatar D. says:

      The wisdom of the government.

      Step 1, lawful person legally buys bump-stock.

      Step 2, government outlaws possession of bump-stock, so owner is forced to sell bump stock to recoup their money before the law takes effect.

      Step 3, person sells bump-stock to person who may be less likely to follow the law since bump stock is soon-to-be illegal to possess.

      Step 4, now outlaw has bump-stock.

    7. avatar Chupacrabron says:

      Bump stocks are completely useless. Zero accuracy, it just converts money into noise.

    8. avatar Tom Shaw says:

      3/6/18 talk in Michigan with Governor about red flag individuals who law enforcement or family decide a harm to themselves or community would lose 2A rights. Opening the door for retaliation of ex spouses, family or catastrophizing individuals from law enforcement to strip individual rights without providing extra protection for those who have demonstrated safety

  2. avatar stateisevil says:

    Republican means nothing in the state of Florida. I’m voting Democrat now. Let’s get this candle lit. You forgot to add Trump helped this happen. He gave the Republican super majority in Florida cover while they raped us. FU GOP.

    No HPA, No reciprocity. Trump got me gun control

    1. avatar What I Know says:

      Cry Baby

    2. avatar neiowa says:

      Get a fing grip fellow. What do you think the demtards are going to do for you? Go nuke the RINOs listed above. You should have no problem recruiting LOTS of help. Throw the bums out and recent this at next leg session.

      AND nuke Scott’s delusions of going to Washington

    3. avatar Hank says:

      “Republican means nothing in the state of Florida. I’m voting Democrat now“

      This is just utterly stupid. All you’re going to do is cause Florida to get more blue and California like while the rest of the free state go along merrily while saying “sucks to be you.” No candle is getting lit, this state level domino theory is proving to be a SUCCSESFUL tactic for the antis. No new gun control at the federal level doesn’t mean shit if all the states fall. It’s happening at a slow enough pace that it won’t kick anything off. Vote in the GOP primaries for real conservatives if you want tougher republicans. But make no mistake to everyone reading this… YOUR STATE IS NEXT.

      1. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

        @ Hank

        It’s beyond time for the Republicrat party to go the way of the former Whig party.
        Democrats/Rebublicrats two sides of the same tyrannical corrupt coin.

        1. avatar Hank says:

          I don’t necessarily disagree, but voting democrat isn’t going to help anything. If you’ve got a sure fire way to implode the GOP, and reform its remnants into a real Conservative party, I’m all for it.

        2. avatar Sam I Am says:

          In a political system where both parties seek the same destination, but differ as to the rate of decline for freedom, you can only hasten the matter, or just let it expire naturally.

          There is too much entanglement between the electorate and the political bribery delivered by the elected officials to their voters. Truth is harsh, but it is what it is (thank you Ziva). To destroy the Republicrats means Demoncrats are victorious ahead of schedule. However, there is not enough money available to real conservatives (on a large scale) to mount a successful new party of principal.

          How many members of congress belong to the “freedom caucus”? Why has that number not grown significantly since 2010?

        3. avatar Hank says:

          So we’re just fucked then.

        4. avatar Sam I Am says:

          Unless magically, another viable solution arises. Do you see anything like that?

        5. avatar Gator says:

          We aren’t fucked Hank. For God’s sake, live your life without all the melodrama over some bullshit rule change in Florida. Fucked are young people with terminal diseases. Try some perspective. You don’t get everything you want. We live in the finest country on earth. And whoever told you it was going to be easy?

        6. avatar Ansel Hazen says:

          The time has come to stop thinking this country can be saved “legislatively”.

        7. avatar Orange says:

          But Gator, we’re all gun drama queens so we hang out in this echo chamber and piss and moan about trivial things. Don’t cha know?

        8. avatar Hank says:

          Yeah yeah yeah. Laugh it up. It’s all real funny until the new law is “turn in your AR or become a felon.”

        9. avatar Hannibal says:

          Voting D could help if it implodes the GOP.

          If you keep voting republican when they do this, you’re an idiot at this point.

          The GOP needs to be destroyed or get so smacked that it changes. It won’t.

      2. avatar Nanashi says:

        I’m voting Nelson if Scott wins the senate primary. There’s no difference between the two except Nelson will die in office or (failing that) not run in 2022. If Scott wins we’re stuck with him.

    4. avatar Garrison Hall says:

      “I’m voting Democrat now.” Well, this definitely wins the ‘stupid is as stupid does” award for today. Yep, you’re really going to show them now . . .

      1. avatar Sam I Am says:

        I understand you think you know what you are thinking, but….

        How does one go about disciplining a party that is the dumber sibling of the other party? Republicrats are absolutely certain that “conservatives” (people of original intent and principals; POTG) have no alternative but to vote for the continuing erosion of freedom the Republicrat Party seeks to enable. If one continues to vote for those who break faith with little or no thought, one continues to get the erosion of freedom. Are you not proposing to do the same thing over again, and expect different results?

        1. avatar pwrserge says:

          That’s what primaries are for dipshit.

        2. avatar Sam I Am says:

          How’s that been working out for you, dpsht?

          Bannon thought all that was needed was disestablishmentarianism.

        3. avatar pwrserge says:

          On the federal level? Fairly well. Trump has already accomplished something no “conservative” since Reagan had the balls to do.

        4. avatar Sam I Am says:

          “Trump has already accomplished something no “conservative” since Reagan had the balls to do.”

          Individual action by the president is not the same as disciplining a political party. The Freedom Caucus remains a small voice in changing things in the swamp. The establishment still rules (else, Obamacare would not exist).

          Voting for the same people who believe your only purpose is to provide them votes, then go sit in the corner seems an ineffective means of changing the culture of the swamp/establishment.

        5. avatar AgingDisgracefully says:

          “Trump has already accomplished something no “conservative” since Reagan had the balls to do.”

          You mean undermine the 2nd amendment?

        6. avatar Sam I Am says:

          “Trump has already accomplished something no “conservative” since Reagan had the balls to do.”

          Hi. You responded to me, but the quote was not mine. When unable to directly reply to a commenter, the @xyz in the lead of your reply to someone else can remove confusion.

    5. avatar RJB says:

      You’re gonna vote democrat now ?? That’s real smart, you want to hang with all the brainwashed mindless idiot liberals ??? Good luck with that.

      1. avatar Sam I Am says:

        If voting Republicrat gets you the same thing as voting Demoncrat, what’s the point? Florida is where it is because Republican voters kept voting for Republicrat politicians. How is doing the same thing over again supposed to result in change?

  3. avatar anonymoose says:

    Rick Scott’s bald head has been frying in the sun too long.

    1. avatar Ranger Rick says:

      Scott wanted that Senate campaign financing very badly, enough to sell out.

    2. avatar B says:

      Is there no primary Challenger to Scott? This guy’s political career needs to die on this and Florida needs to clean house.

  4. avatar anonymous says:

    > FL Republicans passed gun control

    Can we at least get our terminology right, and call it “gun-owner control” instead of “gun control”?

    Or are we going to continue to let the enemy set the language, define the debate, and run laps around us when it comes to persuasion?

  5. avatar uncommon_sense says:

    While the bill prohibits federal firearm licensees from selling firearms to anyone under the age of 21, notice the EXCEPTION which allows selling firearms to 18, 19, and 20 year-old law enforcement officers.

    Strangely, I cannot find the section of the United States Constitution or the Florida constitution which creates “super citizens” who get special application of laws.

    1. avatar Dmc says:

      They are violating the 2nd amendment and favoring the people on their payrolls.. Now is the test to see if the military does what it is supposed to do in accordance to our laws. If they cower then Tyranny is here unless the supreme court shoots this socialist bullshit down. Also, now is the time we bring McCarthyism back.. We have to fight, harass and expose these fake citizens.. Because bottom line is, unless they follow all of the constitution, they denounce any legal protection provided by the constitution to them as sovereign American citizens.. Socialists aren’t covered…

      1. avatar Thomas Hartshorn says:

        SB 7026 is an abortion of UNCONSTITUTIONAL NAZI LANGUAGE !!!!! IT VIOLATES THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA !!!!! PERIOD !!!!!
        You penalize every citizen between the ages of 18-20 and indicate they are not capable of making rash decisions !
        You have INFRINGED !!!!! on my Second Amendment Rights !!!!!!
        If any of you brainless TWITS ever mention mentally ill to me – I will SUE your sorry unpatriotic asses into oblivion !!!!! I cannot believe you would be mentally ill enough to turn Fascist laws like this garbage loose on the public !!!
        THE LEGISLATORS OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA ARE MENTALLY ILL !!!!! AND DON’T KNOW HOW TO VOTE !!!
        Now is the TIME for ALL patriotic Floridians to VOTE OUT these damned communist demoncraps and all traitor republicans !!!!! FOREVER !!!!!

      2. avatar uncommon_sense says:

        Sadly, I cannot see anyone in Congress resurrecting McCarthyism — much less anyone in the United States Justice Department acting on any information.

  6. avatar air hog says:

    Trump primary voters are to blame. Trump gave the Dems cover when he supported gun control. The NRA covered Trump. GOA is all we have left. 🙁

  7. avatar Hank says:

    It’s official. Trump gave us more gun control than Obama.

    1. avatar barnbwt says:

      At least it’s still plausible he’ll declare an MG amnesty to distract a news cycle.

  8. avatar Sam I Am says:

    It does seem that any modification to a trigger (like even making the “pull” weight lighter makes one a felon. Apex will be really unhappy with this.

    If trigger mods to make a handgun more manageable are now illegal, does this not constitute a “taking” under the fifth? Where is the provision for compensating individuals for converting their modifications back to OEM? Where is the provision for ocmpensating individuals for useless parts that were required in modifying the trigger?

    As to voting, I am not in Florida, but I certainly would encourage the electorate to primary every Republicrat who voted for these bills. If that is not possible, stay home election day.

    Yes, blowing-up the Republicrat Party is extreme, but they are asking for it. The calculus is that gun owners have nowhere else to go, so even restricting firearms out of existence poses no risk to election/re-election.

    1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      Sam I Am,

      “It does seem that any modification to a trigger (like even making the “pull” weight lighter makes one a felon.”

      I am not ready to go that far. The wording in the bill does talk about modifications which “mimic automatic weapon fire”. Aside from Jerry Miculek (All hail Jerry!!!), adding a nice trigger to a semi-auto does not result in operation that mimics full auto.

      1. avatar Sam I Am says:

        This didn’t get your attention?
        “…or which is used to increase the rate of fire to a faster rate than is possible for a person to fire such semiautomatic firearm unassisted by a kit,…”

        The “or” in this clause means “in addition to”, and is not restricted to making a semi-automatic firearm “mimic” an automatic firearm. The Apex trigger modification fits the definition of “kit”.

        No, I don’t trust that my reading of the quoted section of the bill (in the article) is not what was intended, and will be enforced.

        1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

          Ah, yes I agree with your reading.

          If you live in Florida and install a quality aftermarket trigger on a handgun or rifle, this bill authorizes the state to send you to prison for several years.

          Unalienable rights and constitutions be damned.

          Ugh.

      2. avatar Sian says:

        ” or which is used to increase the rate of fire to a faster rate than is possible for a person to fire such semiautomatic firearm unassisted by a kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device.”

        Anything that increases the rate of fire. That explicitly includes trigger jobs. The first part also includes bump-firing with any sort of tool, including belt-loops.

        Congratulations. Now everyone who sells or possesses pants with beltloops is a felon.

        1. avatar binder says:

          That is the stupidest argument you can come up with. The side-fire is designed specifically to do what it does. Even the company says it mimics full auto fire. Please do not post crap like that on non-gun websites, it doesn’t help

        2. avatar Sam I Am says:

          A little too cryptic for me (and I really like cryptic).

          Toward what is your statement pointed?

        3. avatar Sian says:

          Idiot do you not understand that the vague wording of the bill opens up almost any trigger or action replacement to be fodder for a third degree felony?

          If had prohibited specifically ‘trigger crank devices and stocks that facilitate rapid actuation of the trigger by reciprocating in the operator’s hands’ it would be narrow enough to simply be stupid and not utterly outrageous.

        4. avatar Sam I Am says:

          Hi.
          Your comment shows to be Sian responding to Sian. To whom are you actually replying (which specific comment)?

        5. avatar Sian says:

          Sam,
          Responding to binder, as comment tree doesn’t nest further than 2 levels.

        6. avatar Sam I Am says:

          Got it; thanx.

        7. avatar Binder says:

          No kidding the wording is vague, most people here think that that a bump stock equipped rifle is a typical semi automatic. The me stress it again, the recoil resets the trigger not the shooter. The sock activity removes your finger from the trigger after a round is fired. But all a layman sees is a 12 second 100 round mag dump. So instead of examining why it fires at the same rate as a “machine gun” they thrown in a bunch of wording and see what sticks.

          And all these stupid remarks about how you can’t wear pants to the range are not helping the situation, they just make the pro-gun side look stupid.

      3. avatar barnbwt says:

        It darn sure facilitates bump fire…just like a bump stock. Just like every semi-auto trigger.

        What hopeless dupes you all are. You plainly and simply deserve everything that comes after.

    2. avatar Sian says:

      No retailer will be willing to sell any such devices in Florida anymore, since that also opens them to felony liability.

      The lack of recourse or compensation for those who own the now banned devices is a serious problem as well.

  9. avatar st381183 says:

    As long as Jerry Miculek is alive it is unenforceable, “to increase the rate of fire to a faster rate than is possible for a person to fire such semiautomatic firearm unassisted by a kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device.”

    1. avatar binder says:

      He can’t maintain 12 splits, a bump stock can.

  10. avatar Darkstar says:

    Wow. The state of Florida kowtowed to a bunch of screaming children and their hack overlords. The squeaky wheel does get the grease. What are you going to do next time a mass shooting happens again in FLA? Your laws mean shit, but hey it’s all good, you did SOMETHING, give yourselves a pat on the back, nothing in these laws will keep a nut job from doing something similar again. What a joke.

    1. avatar TheUnspoken says:

      Fortunately, the screaming children who are smart beyond their years but also not responsible enough to buy weapons will thank the Republican party for the excellent work and go home. “They have solved the problems of Parkland! Hug a Republican and remember to elect them in the future.” There will be no more mass shootings because the killers won’t be old enough to buy weapons.

      Oh wait, no, they will say “this is a partial victory but we won’t rest until we ban assault weapons! And we still don’t want armed teachers!”

      And no, the Democrats still don’t want to vote for these Republicans, even after shaming them into obedience.

  11. avatar Jason says:

    I’m disgusted. Looks like moving is the only thing that will make me happy.

    1. avatar When Bullets Collide says:

      Seriously? You would move over these new laws? I just can’t find anything in there to get me even mildly upset. And I’m a Florida resident.

      1. avatar Sam I Am says:

        All your fellow residents with firearm trigger modifications to improve control and management are now felons, with no way to remove themselves from that status. They cannot transfer (like to the dumpster) the trigger parts if they revert to OEM. Mere possession of the modifications and parts is illegal. Being made an instant felon with no means of avoidance would not make you want to leave? (you couldn’t take modified guns with you, but you could buy new in a free state)

      2. avatar Jason says:

        Anywhere to get away from you sorry ass fudds. I don’t have bumpstocks, or even fancy triggers. I’m over 21 too. You either believe in the 2nd or you don’t.

      3. avatar Thunderkawk says:

        Bullets collide. What a fucking sheep you are. Wake the fuck up and pay attention fudd. People like you are part of the problem.

      4. avatar Sian says:

        Nothing?

        Do you interact with anyone else who lives in the state? They could get you GVRO’d withotu due process.

        Do you own any aftermarket trigger/action parts on any firearm that could potentially increase the mechanical rate of fire? It’s a felony to own under the new bumpstock law.

        Do you have any respect for the Constitution? We now have a constitutional “right” that’s delayed 3 years from all the other ones.

        1. avatar Jason says:

          Sadly fudds like Bullets collide are everywhere. Who do you think runs the NRA.

    2. avatar Hank says:

      Where you gonna go? Domino theory is true. It started with just NY and CA. Now it’s NY, CA, MA, NJ, OR, WA, CO, NV, CT, VA, and now FL. Guess who’s next? The rest of the south slowly, then the Midwest.

      1. avatar Shel says:

        This can be stopped it’s just going to require a lot of money and time in the court system

      2. avatar Jason says:

        If I’m going to give up guns there are a lot of other places out there to live that aren’t the US.

      3. avatar TexasBeck says:

        The solution is simple,
        Move to TEXAS.

        1. avatar Hank says:

          I love Texas. But Texas will fall too. Mark my words.

        2. avatar Sam I Am says:

          From what I read on the various forums, blogs and news letters, Texas is swinging way left.

        3. avatar Ed says:

          Texas is nowhere near gun-friendly. Try moving to a CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY state….believe it or not, there are a few of them, THREE in New England in fact. How many in the good ol’ south??? Yeah, I know. I truly don’t understand peoples infatuation with Texas…

  12. avatar Shel says:

    now I have to explain to my wife and kids why we can’t go to Disneyworld. I will never again return to Florida, nor will I ever spend a dime on anyting in Florida again. I will not retire there, nor will I vacation there ever again.

  13. avatar tmm says:

    The Republican Super Majority in Florida passed gun control …

    That is all.

    1. avatar Jim Bremer says:

      Florida resident here.
      Yes..SUPER MAJORITY..and that is what is so freaking crazy and frankly aggravating as all hell! I’ve been complaining here for years about how Florida Republicans have been screwing us. They have OWNED the entire state govt for over 20 years now and not one single pro-gun thing has been done. Every election cycle they say they’ll pass open carry…REPUBLICAN leadership killls it…then next cycle they are back begging for money and support and pointing to their NRA creds.
      And I am PISSED at the NRA and Marion Hammer for this. If they had taken out a Republicans ONE time..primaried ONE of their leadership out of office for going back on their word this might not have happened.

      It’s crazy that literally a day after the shooting the Republican leadership in both houses and the Governor basically handed the Dems these gun control wins. There was ZERO reason too. These laws would have done NOTHING to stop Cruz. The guy had 25k or more in cash…he could have bought the guns on the black market, etc. Yes…there was hysteria…there always is. And it always dies down. You just need the BALLS to ride it out. The Dems wanted an assault weapons ban from day one. This crap would never appease them nor would it mean anything to the media. So why the Frick even offer it!? Why even TRY to appease them since there was no way any anti-gun extreme stuff would pass ? Did they think they would be appealing to the moderates or independents? Are there enough of those people to have made up for all the Republican votes they are now going to lose? There’s some good stuff in the bill about hardening schools, more police in schools, more for mental health. Why not just sell that to the moderates?

      But nope…Repbulicans doing what they always do. Try to look lke the nice guys to Dems and the media….they are more worried about being liked than doing what is right.

      I”m HOPING this is some 4th dimensional chess….throwing in some gun stuff that they know the courts will over turn in order to say “Hey…we tried…..we passed some gun control stuff but the courtys threw it out…don’t blame us.” But I don’t think they are doing that. The risk in pissing off the base would not be worth it. If they ARE doing this then they are even dumber than I thought. We have a Right to Bear Arms in our Florida Constitution so I don’t see how the no guns under 21 stands..BUT our court is liberal so who knows. Maybe the supreme court will knock it down. The taking clause is the most likely to be shot down. The govt can’t take property without compensation…that’s well established law. Saying something you own legally one day is illegal the next with no money offered…no grandfathering will not stand in either state or Federal courts.

      So yep….Florida is royally screwed now. If these idiots aren’t voted out…and most likely they won’t be….then the NRA will be exposed as a paper tiger and gun owners won’t be feared anymore. This will give the cover for the Republicans to just do more crap like this. They’ll turn into what the Northeast Republicans were until they were all voted out and replaced by Dems.

      1. avatar Sian says:

        The courts had better turn these over.

        It’s not like they’re defensible in any logical world, but this is proving to be Bizarro Earth so who knows.

        1. avatar Geoff PR says:

          “The courts had better turn these over.”

          Yeah, but I’m not volunteering to be the test case.

          Are you?

        2. avatar Sian says:

          Geoff, I’ve honestly considered it. go to a range, point the rifle downrange, hook my thumb into my beltloop, and go to town till they call the police on me.

        3. avatar Geoff PR says:

          “Geoff, I’ve honestly considered it.”

          If you do, I’ll kick in 50 bucks for your GoFundMe legal bills.

          I would hope you wouldn’t though. Someone else soon enough will get busted, I just hope they aren’t meth heads that get busted.

          We want good optics for the legal challenge…

  14. avatar Alex Waits says:

    One more knife in the back of Liberty, placed there for the betterment of humanity, little did they know, that once Liberty dies, so to does humanity.

  15. avatar Bob in IN says:

    I’ll miss vacationing in the Sunshine state. I will vacation elsewhere.

  16. avatar Garrison Hall says:

    ” . . . which is used to increase the rate of fire to a faster rate than is possible for a person to fire such semiautomatic firearm unassisted by a kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device. . .”

    The 2nd amendment supporting, reliably conservative Florida Republicans just made it illegal to perform a trigger modification on any semi-automatic rifle or handgun because doing so will be construed by those implementing the law to be using “a kit, a tool, an accessory, or device” to increase the weapon’s rate of fire. Don’t think for a second that the gun-controllers are not absolutely salivating at the legal demands they’ll make to see that the law is enforced in just this manner.

    It is exactly laws like this, promoted under pressure to “do something” in times of moral panics, that supports gun-control ideology. The people who voted for this bill understood all this quite well. Their cynicism and contempt for gun-rights is itself beneath contempt. I’m sure as hell glad I don’t live in Florida.

    1. avatar Red in CO says:

      “reliably conservative”

      For real? FL is the RINO capital of the country and has been for decades

      1. avatar Divemedic says:

        Dont forget that Rick Scott was a TEA party candidate when he first ran for the Governor’s office.

    2. avatar strych9 says:

      “Don’t think for a second that the gun-controllers are not absolutely salivating at the legal demands they’ll make to see that the law is enforced in just this manner.”

      This will probably end up like Colorado’s mag ban. Effectively null and void because no LEO will bother attempting to enforce it without other significant charges to go along with it. It just takes too long and they really don’t have the resources or the expertise to make the call.

      I mean are they really going to tear apart every semi-auto rifle or handgun they come across and send it to the crime lab to see if it’s had a trigger job? Doubtful. Are they going to make the call on if it’s had such work done themselves? No, because if they get it wrong they’ll be up shit creek with their department when the department gets sued and 99% of officers will have no clue what they’re looking at.

      1. avatar Sprocket says:

        Don’t be so sanguine my friend. Do you think an agency like the Broward County Sherriff’s department won’t use this vaguely worded law to try to hang a gun owner when when they’re on a fishing expedition? Off the top of my head I can think of cases in both Washington and California where the police used vaguely worded weapons laws to try to make nothing-burger investigations into convictions.

      2. avatar Sam I Am says:

        “Are they going to make the call on if it’s had such work done themselves?”

        The real risk would seem to be if you are involved in a situation where you used your gun in a manner that resulted in contact with the police. Under the rules of Alinsky, freezing your opponent is a means of “winning”. I would venture that the intent is to “freeze” gun owners into doubting the utility of using a modified gun for self-defense. It is generally one of the goals of every piece of gun control.

        1. avatar strych9 says:

          I don’t really see that either. The risk of getting it wrong is still too great.

          The time I think they’ll use this is, like Colorado, when they have a laundry list of other charges to toss at someone. IIRC Colorado has used it’s mag ban law once, in prosecution of a guy who was facing a bunch of other charges including armed robbery.

          I could be wrong of course. It will depend to some extent on the agency in question.

  17. avatar barnbwt says:

    New York Republican Values.

    1. avatar Sam I Am says:

      Had to happen. Florida is New York South. What did you expect would happen with all those people moving into Florida?

      1. avatar Jim Bremer says:

        Yes…..Florida demographically is California in the 80s. We were red…soon quickly to turn purple…then solid blue. With the massive influx of Northeasterners and especially Hispnanic/Blacks from South America and the Caribean we will soon turn solid blue. And it’s going to happen very very quickly…probably 10 years. We’ve had HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of Puerto Ricans move here just this year because of the hurricane. They ALL can legally vote and they are solid Democrats. Trump won Florida by little more than 100k. So Florida will be like California after they were overhwelmed with legal and illegal immigrants. Those countries simply don’t have the gun culture or the respect for indivdiual liberty we do. We saw this cancer started to spread 40 years ago …it started slowly in Miami Dade…that was once solid Republican…then it became majority Hispanic and went Democrat. A decade later they all moved north to Broward County..that turned Dem…then Palm Beach County where I”m at…now we are solid Dem. Then Orlando, Jacksonville, etc. Look at the faces in all those protests….mostly young Hispanics…that is the future of Florida. That’s not racist to say….it’s the truth. I”m sure if you had a couple million white people from Russia or England move here it would be the same…it’s the skin color…it’s the culture from where people come from.

        1. avatar Jean-Claude says:

          You are absolutely correct. I live in Florida and work with the public. The amount of Puerto Ricans who are moving here is absolutely shocking. They are all on the dole, and they are all solidly Democrat.

          Old New Yorkers I’ve met tend to be gun people, believe it or not.

          But Hispanics? Nope.

        2. avatar Alexi Rodriguez says:

          “We saw this cancer started to spread 40 years ago …it started slowly in Miami Dade…that was once solid Republican”.

          Gee. Thanks for comparing my family to cancer… By the way, I’m a first generation American born into a Cuban family. My parents arrived to hialeah (miami suburb) in the late 1960’s to escape communism (legal immigrants). I’ve had family members tortured and executed by those commie bastards. We are all solid conservative and God-loving, pro 2nd amendment Republicans. 60 percent of the Cuban American community voted for Trump in the general election. The liberal Cuban-Americans are usually youngsters brainwashed by the local liberal public school system and pop-culture. I’m a conservative millenial raised by conservative parents. The ones who are really turning Florida blue are the northeastern transplants. And I agree, the Puerto Rican population in Florida are mostly liberal, which doesn’t help. Southeast Florida is filled with the North-easterners. Overall, many of our youth (including whites) are brainwashed into becoming liberals. Don’t just put the blame on Hispanics and put me and my family under the same category cause many Hispanics like myself are actually conservatives. Oh and it doesn’t help when you have a crooked liberal local county government handling the votes during an election…

  18. avatar Sam I Am says:

    I’m not adept at deciphering political labels. Does all this mean Florida is now officially a Blue State?

    1. avatar Jason says:

      I’m voting blue in November if I’m still here. Burn er down. Balkanization is the only real long term solution we have at this point anyway.

  19. avatar Sian says:

    What’s the next step? Appellate Court? Certainly the GRVO and disastrously vague bumpstock ban would not even begin to pass constitutional muster, never mind the ‘all rights at 18 except for that inconvenient one’.

    1. avatar Red in CO says:

      HAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh shit… man that’s a good one. The appellate courts…. sure, maybe. But given the activist nature of so many of the appellate courts, coupled with the fact that the courts can order a state to remove a law and then that same state can say “blow me” with no repercussions…. I wouldn’t get your hopes up

    2. avatar Geoff PR says:

      “What’s the next step? Appellate Court?”

      You can’t appeal until you have a conviction.

      I believe the legal term is having ‘standing’.

      We wait until someone is charged and convicted.

      Any volunteers?

      {The sound of crickets softly chirping…}

    3. avatar John in Ohio says:

      Constitutional muster… Shall not be infringed… the courts allow infringement.

      1. avatar Sam I Am says:

        “Constitutional muster…”

        Can you elaborate?

        1. avatar John in Ohio says:

          The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Once the people allowed the first infringement, there was nothing stopping government; only slowing it down. The courts will continue to allow infringement, only throwing a bone here and there to the people.

        2. avatar Sam I Am says:

          “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Once the people allowed the first infringement, there was nothing stopping government, only slowing it down. The courts will continue to allow infringement, only throwing a bone here and there to the people.”

          Agree, I just did not understand the reference to “Constitutional muster”.

  20. avatar Nanashi says:

    Found out months ago Leek was a traitorous rat when it took weeks of calls for his legislative assistant to finally admit he supported gun free zones. Who is steping up to kick his ass out?

    Don’t let Marion Hammer get out of her role in all of this. Never would have happened if she and Wayne didn’t spend the last several months fanning the flames for a bump stock ban.

  21. avatar ATTAGReader says:

    You all do know, I hope, that Rick Scott is an unindicted co-conspirator in one of the biggest health care fraud rackets. Columbia Health Care, for those who don’t know. They bought out HCA back in the early 90’s I believe. Cooked the books big time. As in they stole from the taxpayers. A few went to jail. Not the CEO, Rick Scott. He dint know nuffin. Nearly bankrupted the company in the process. The old guard from HCA (Frist family) had to buy the company back and paid him off to leave. In my opinion Crooked Rick is as crooked as they come – right up there with Hillary and MS13. Should have gotten a jail term and banned from Medicare like his underlings. Now he wants to run for Senator after selling out the people who voted him in? Good Lord. I would seriously take Putin over this crook. I hope you Floridians are not so gullible as to let Got Off Scott Free go to Washington. If he runs, there needs to be a big time expose on his past. I don’t care if CNN or NYT does it. Like Hillary, he needs to leave politics permanently, in the disgrace that they both deserve.

    1. avatar Jay in Florida says:

      We knew he is a crook. What politician isn’t??
      Nothing new here, move on.

    2. avatar Sian says:

      Scott bought his criminal ass into the governor’s mansion. I opposed him then, I oppose him now.

      Him going all-in on this unconstitutional piece of trash isn’t even a shade of a surprise. He’s a lame duck this year and is likely to try for higher office.

      1. avatar Geoff PR says:

        He has to sign it first.

        Let’s hope the vague-ness of that bullshit is pointed out to him, and he refuses to sign it…

        1. avatar Sian says:

          I wrote him about the vagueness, the loss of legally-purchased property, the travesty of due process in the GRVO, etc.

          I don’t expect much from Governor Alien Head. He’s a lameduck and was never that committed to gun rights in the first place.

  22. avatar Jay in Florida says:

    Giving in to a bunch of cry baby kidz. Not good.
    Time to send Scott bags of rubber bands. Id like to see him outlaw them, or my belt loop.
    If he does sign this bill as is.
    Welcome to the court system.
    Under 21 unconstitutional.
    No due process same.
    Good luck being unemployed. Not our next senator. You just killed any chance of that. And getting rid of gun free zones.
    I was willing to throw bump stocks under the bus somewhat.
    Nothing else in the trigger world.
    Sign this crappy bill and Id like to think hes toast here.
    From a former voter.

  23. avatar Tdubbs says:

    Hmm, I live in FL district one and none of my representatives are on the list. How do I find out how they voted?

    1. avatar Sian says:

      myfloridahouse.gov

      Your rep, Clay Ingram, voted no. Good one! I guess he gets to keep his job.

  24. avatar Jared says:

    STATE CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISION – Article 1, Section 8.

    “(a) The right of the people to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves and of the lawful authority of the state shall not be infringed, except that the manner of bearing arms may be regulated by law. (b) There shall be a mandatory period of three days, excluding weekends and legal holidays, between the purchase and delivery at retail of any handgun. For the purposes of this section, “purchase” means the transfer of money or other valuable consideration to the retailer, and “handgun” means a firearm capable of being carried and used by one hand, such as a pistol or revolver. Holders of a concealed weapon permit as prescribed in Florida law shall not be subject to the provisions of this paragraph. (c) . . . anyone violating the provisions of subsection (b) shall be guilty of a felony. (d) This restriction shall not apply to a trade in of another handgun.” Article 1, Section 8.

    The legislature of the State of Florida, in a declaration of policy incorporated in its “Weapons and Firearms” statute, recognizes that adult citizens of the state retain their constitutional right to keep and bear firearms for hunting and sporting activities and for defense of self, family, home, and business and as collectibles.

    Challenges available in state court via the state constitution.
    1.) 18-20 year-old are “citizens” and therefore blocking their ability to purchase rifles is unconstitutional.
    2.) Bumb-stocks: “collectibles” “vague” and a “taking” under Article Section 6. SECTION 6. Eminent domain.—
    (a) No private property shall be taken except for a public purpose and with full compensation therefor paid to each owner or secured by deposit in the registry of the court and available to the owner.

  25. avatar ATTAGReader says:

    As the comment editor does not work….

    All of you who don’t want to vacation in Florida, please come to North Carolina. We have lots of nice beaches and restaurants, good fishing, wreck diving, and per the USA Carry map we honor the concealed carry permit of every state including CA and NY, even though they don’t honor ours. If you don’t like the beach, come for the mountains or the ACC.

    1. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

      Vacationed there. And your right, the beaches are magic.

  26. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

    This will get law suits out their ears. Guaranteed.

  27. avatar TyrannyOfEvilMen says:

    Florida gun owners will do nothing about this. The vast majority don’t own these devices, and many don’t even know what they are. Most probably agree with the age restriction or at least don’t see it as a problem for themselves.

    The fact that some people will instantly become felons will not matter until it does, meaning that people will comply with laws until they believe that they have no choice but to fight, and to the vast majority their freedom to possess a piece of plastic or a drop-in trigger group is simply not worth fighting for.

    However, this will embolden the anti-gun lobby to do even more and to do it more quickly so my predictive Civil War Clock(tm) ticks one minute closer to midnight.

    1. avatar Sian says:

      Many have aftermarket/modified triggers and lightened components, and will, under the letter of the law, become felons on October 1. Most won’t even know it because they don’t read the law, they just see bump-stocks and think, oh, I’m okay cause I don’t have one of those.

  28. avatar Andrew says:

    Well florida time to step up and primary your representatives. They do this because they have continued jobs. Time to show them it isn’t so.

  29. avatar Jonathan-Houston says:

    Gunshine State? Try Asinine State. What an absolute embarrassment.

  30. avatar Buzz Word says:

    Let’s not criticize the Florida GOP too harshly. Face facts, the Republicans were backed into a political corner, they had to give up a little something to keep the rest of Floridians’ gun rights intact. Take a moment to look at the big picture: ARs are safe, semi-autos are unmolested, and most adults get to keep what they have. Thank you, Republican Party, for standing up for our Second Amendment rights!

    1. avatar Sam I Am says:

      “…ARs are safe, semi-autos are unmolested…”

      Only those that have not been modified to shoot better via a mechanical “kit”.

      1. avatar Buzz Word says:

        The ban on those devices is sheer common sense, which is what we got from our sensible GOP leadership.

        1. avatar Sam I Am says:

          “The ban on those devices is sheer common sense, ”

          Banning Apex trigger kits that make it easier to shoot and control a semi-auto pistol is “common sense”?

          Guy at the range replaced his OEM MP9c trigger, and his Shield trigger with Apex kits. Have shot both in both configurations. Even I (who does not compete) could feel the difference in control, and ease of trigger pull. Those kits make it easier to fire the pistols, thus easier to increase the speed the follow-up shots (Mozambique?) than without the kit. Sounds like a direct violation of the law, as reported.

        2. avatar Buzz Word says:

          Any mod that turns a pistol into a MG or fast semi-auto skirts the law…

        3. avatar TheUnspoken says:

          State Senate Republicans leadership seemed to be ok with a two year ban on AR 15s via a voice vote. If a couple of them hadn’t forced them to do a roll call votes Negron seemed happy to move forward with his new AWB ban.

          At most now you just hear “we don’t have the votes” not “this would be a terrible, unconstitutional thing to do and I will fight it with every last breath I have.” Once they get the votes I guess the don’t care anymore.

        4. avatar Scoutino says:

          Hahahaaa, good one! Thanks for your effort to lighten the mood in this dark times.

      2. avatar Buzz Word says:

        The ban on those devices is sheer common sense, which is what we got from our sensible GOP leadership..

        1. avatar Anonymous says:

          Victimless crime?

          How far up the victimless crime ladder are we going to go? It’s like a guy puts a rubber band on his AR to bump fire and the Spanish Inquisition shows up and says: “I know you are just shooting fruit out here, but I don’t like the way you are firing that gun, so we have a striped shirt for you here with a number on it and this sheet of paper that says you are now a felon.”

          The US is going full communist and we are watching it happen before our very eyes.

        2. avatar a bloke says:

          gun grabbers never stop … not until they’ve accomplished their agenda… total civilian disarmament;
          any sort of “compromise” simply means that you have acceded to one, small (or: large) part of that agenda;
          the “case study” is Australia and the UK …but… particularly AUstrl. b’cs, previously, it did have a sort of traditional, gun-owning/gun-using culture…..
          the gun grabbers succeded in banning semi-auto rifles and shotguns on the basis of a thoroughly bogus incident (the faux Port Arthur “massacre” ) … but….not being satisfied with that…they then proceeded to ban handguns over 38spcl/9mm clbrs with an ultimate view to a total ban on semi-auto handguns …..
          they are, currently, limiting ammo’ sales to only those fire-arms that you have registered in your name….
          they are also planning a ban on lever-action fire-arms…having partly succeded in banning lever-action shotguns…..
          (and: i hvn’t even mentioned all the other stuff like cross-bows, swords, daggers, martial arts-type weapons, pepper spray etc that they have also banned)
          like i said: TOTAL CIVILIAN DISARMAMENT
          that leaves no other real option but physical resistance….

    2. avatar Jason says:

      We figured out Marion Hammer’s screen name.

      1. avatar Buzz Word says:

        I am pro-gun as long as gun rights are limited to those without mental illness and kept away from leftist terrorists such as ISIS. That’s what the Republican-led Florida legislature achieved today. Kudos, GOP, for a job well done!

        1. avatar Jason says:

          Under 21 is a mental illness?

        2. avatar Sam I Am says:

          I was definitely crazy and mentally impaired at 19.

        3. avatar Buzz Word says:

          Below: most of these kids are too young to own cars too…

        4. avatar Stereodude says:

          Because doing nothing wasn’t an option?

          Now we can look forward to these school shootings occurring in the remaining free states so they can be exploited by the grabbers. They’ve got a template that seems to be working, so look for it to repeat and be applied liberally.

        5. avatar Cloudbuster says:

          Democrats think all Republicans or people who want to own guns are mentally ill. The Soviet Union was extremely fond of declaring enemies of the regime mentally ill as an excuse to imprison/institutionalize them.

    3. avatar doesky2 says:

      Waving your stupidity on a big flag.

    4. avatar Jonathan-Houston says:

      So it’s not rape if he only inserts the tip?

  31. avatar DrewR55 says:

    Gee, I wonder if the NRA will lower their ratings for the clowns who voted for this bill?

    1. avatar Jason says:

      Why? The NRA is seeing $$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Mission accomplished. Marion and Wayne don’t make the big bucks for nothing.

    2. avatar Stereodude says:

      No idea on that point, but you can guarantee they’ll fundraise the heck out of it.

      If you’re not part of the solution there’s good money to be made prolonging the problem.

  32. avatar Buzz Word says:

    Think of all the young people you know.. would you entrust them with a bump stock or an AR? Seriously now.

    1. avatar Cloudbuster says:

      Yes.

    2. avatar Jonathan-Houston says:

      All day.

    3. avatar John in Ohio says:

      The founders of this nation apparently did; shall not be infringed.

      I trust young people around me all of the time with firearms. It’s really not a problem and if it was, the solution is not for government to disarm them. A tyrannical government is far more dangerous.

  33. avatar former water walker says:

    Reminds me of a passage from the bible…”traitors,heady,highminded”. The death of the “gunshine state”. Just waiting for the RINO governor of ILLinois to f##k US.

  34. avatar Jason says:

    Freedom is scary for some people.

  35. avatar Cloudbuster says:

    This bill makes it illegal for anyone under the age of 21 to buy a long gun.

    This seems like an obvious civil rights violation against anyone 18-20.

    1. avatar Anonymous says:

      They’re leftists. First they don’t want you to discriminate on the basis of age, then later, they themselves discriminate on the basis of age.

      1. avatar a bloke says:

        they are control-freak, totalitarian statists;
        the only way they can be stopped is by actual, physical resistance;

  36. avatar J says:

    I made a petition on Moveon.org that has made them upset. I posted a pro-2nd Amendment petition on their site. Please go to link and endorse it if you fell like it after you read it. They want to take it down as they state at the top of it, but that would infringe on our 1st Amendment rights. Copy the link and send to friends also if you feel like it.

    Are there any other online petitions we could start to help us out with pro-2nd Amendment.
    Thanks

    http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/oppose-gun-control-and?source=c.em&r_by=19872197

    1. avatar Asamurai says:

      Signed

    2. avatar Sad Trombone says:

      Signed.

  37. avatar Rusty Chains says:

    This makes me glad I sold dads house when he passed. And, yes I do blame Trump for giving cover to these cowardly Republicans. Never turn your back on any politician, least you find yourself bleeding from the stab wounds they are bound to deliver.

  38. avatar Asamurai says:

    Everyone (Floridians) email Governor Scott now. We have to show him we are not the silent minority and the gun banners aren’t the outspoken majority.

    https://www.flgov.com/contact-gov-scott/email-the-governor/

    1. avatar Mike Hawkizard says:

      Emails mean jack. You Florida gun owners need to show up en masse, in person at his office and protest. Get off your asses and go. I wish I lived in Florida and could organize this for you, but someone has to.

      Emails and phone calls aren’t enough. The leftists do it right: show up and make noise. Take a day off from work if you have to, your rights are worth it.

      1. avatar a bloke says:

        the left are thugs, crims and scum….
        gun-owners are overwhelmingly law abiding…
        the left doesn’t care if they get ‘buckled’ and sloughed up in a cop lock-up for a day or, even, a week or a month….they got nuthin’ to lose….
        in fact: you might say that gun-owners are too law-abiding…that can be a minus as well as a plus…
        the left also knows that they got people like Bloomberg and his mongrel bastards “watching their backs” and that all their legal troubles will be ‘taken care of’ ;
        this, pretty much, forces gun owners to rely wholly and solely on the NRA to step up to the plate for them;
        but: in this fight: it seems that the NRA is out-of-its-depth: this fight requires in-yr-face street-level activism and the NRA doesn’t ‘do’ that……
        what’s the answer?
        a bunch of gun-owners are, quite simply, gunna hafta “bite-the-bullet” and put their necks on the chopping-block and ‘take on’ these gun-grabbers up close and personal….that may well mean being arrested and charged with any-thing and every-thing up to and including ATTEMPTED MURDER but, unfortunately, as they say, “freedom ain’t free” …and…it ain’t cheap….
        if yr not prepared to put yr liberty and, even, yr life on-the-line, then, you ain’t really “a player” and the left will just walk right over the top of you…what’s more: TPTB will simply ignore you as some-one(s) not to be taken seriously…..
        let’s get real: “violence” works!
        it gets attention!
        it gets respect!
        and: above all: it gets results!

      2. avatar Asamurai says:

        Emails are my only choice. I am in a segment of the populace which is highly discriminated against in the world of political activism. Responsible adults that work day jobs from 9 to 5. I can’t take weeks off work to go to Tallahassee and still have a job.

        So emails are what I have. I’ll send as many I can a day until he doesn’t sign or he does and then as many a day every day after criticizing the signing. When we sit back and agree that there is nothing we can do the grabbers win. Every little brick in the wall helps. no matter how small.

  39. avatar J says:

    The Whitehouse.gov petition web site has a lot of pro-2nd Amendment petitions that need people to view and sign if possible. Please help save our 2nd Amendment rights. Look at these and decide which to sign. There are too many to link here.

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov

  40. avatar strych9 says:

    People probably won’t like me saying this but…This is where things get interesting.

    How will Floridians react? Will some of the R’s that voted for this get tossed? Will LEO’s even attempt to enforce this trigger thing other than obvious violations like cranks and bump stocks? Will this spawn lawsuits? Will this turn into an Irish Democracy like Colorado where the laws are basically universally ignored?

    We’ll find out. Not every battle is won and this is where we’ll find out what certain people and groups are made of. Leadership and resolve mean nothing if they are not tested. Well Florida, here’s your test. Good luck. Make us proud.

  41. avatar sound awake says:

    the fbi the broward sheriff and the broward schools are all dumbasses

    so why is gun control the fix

    1. avatar Chadwick says:

      Because a free individual is the real danger. Free thought and independent action are the real enemy they are trying to combat.

  42. avatar Sam Wright says:

    “increase the rate of fire to a faster rate than is possible for a person to fire…”
    What about Jerry Miculek? He is a “person” that it is possible to fire at a rate of hundreds of rounds per minute. Is his finger a banned accessory? Can I use a belt loop to bump fire as long as it is less than a speed that a person can fire a semi?

  43. avatar Anonymous says:

    I’m working on a 3D printable lightening link and trigger crank as a direct response to this legislation.

    1. avatar strych9 says:

      A lightning link is an NFA item. If it was made before 1986 it’s transferable (somewhere around 900 of them were made and are on the MG registry IIRC) however one manufactured after 1986, like any other MG made or imported after 1986 unless owned by .gov, is flat out illegal. Getting caught with one would be a max of 10 years and $250K.

      Making one is very, very unwise.

      1. avatar FreeThinker says:

        Posting about it on the internet is probably unwise. Making one is probably the kind of thing that a man who believes himself to be free might do.

        “I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.” -Robert A. Heinlein

  44. avatar TyrannyOfEvilMen says:

    If the Republicans in Congress were smart, they would introduce a bill to repeal the 2nd Amendment and force a vote on it. This would expose the Democrats as looney toons and some bonehead Republicans like Flake, which I suppose is why they would never do it.

    Even if such a bill could pass a 2/3 vote in Congress, it could never be ratified by 3/4 of the states but I guess such a bold affirmation of liberty would be too scary for the feckless dolts.

    1. avatar a bloke says:

      its their only, effective way to implement major bans b’cs any such ban can be appealed all the way to the SCotUS and, if necessary, injunctions taken out to stymie the application and implementation of such bans unless and until such a SCotUS case is heard……and…. there can be rolling appeals and rolling injunctions;
      all-in-all, a full-on civil war is more likely to break out b’fr they’d try such a risky maneuvre that would be total political suicide for them…. (i.e: the gun-grabbers)

  45. avatar J says:

    I wanted to let you know about a new petition I created on We the People, a new feature on WhiteHouse.gov, and ask for your support. Will you add your name to mine? If this petition gets 99,999 signatures by April 07, 2018, the White House will review it and respond!

    Oppose Gun Control and Weapons Ban Legislation

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/oppose-gun-control-and-weapons-ban-legislation

    1. avatar Sad Trombone says:

      Signed.
      Also signed the petition about HRC’s emails and the SA confiscation of white farmers’ land.

  46. avatar Chadwick says:

    There you have it boys and girls… We are only a few people losing their lives away from having the Marxist gun control paradise at any time. Sounds like a win win for floridistan politicians. They get to virtue signal and infringe on your right that shall not be infringed. Oh not to mention the government owns you even more up until the age of 21.

    My wife wanted to go to Florida sometime soon. Not anymore, I don’t visit Marxist shitholes.

  47. avatar Kyle in Upstate NY says:

    The laws are lousy, but you in Florida need to stay and fight. Fighting off an AWB, magazine limitations, universal background checks, etc…are the big ones.

    1. avatar Stereodude says:

      So, losing the war is okay as long as you’re only needlessly ceding ground at a slow pace, not quickly?

    2. avatar Sam I Am says:

      “…but you in Florida need to stay and fight…”

      And doing so would change, what? The demographics are leftist/Demoncrat, and mounting. It is not like the numbers are in favor of POTG. It is not like people get to vote directly on legislation.

      Militarily, I would say, conserve your forces, concentrate where you have overwhelming superiority. Armor-up those states that are at least marginally pro-constitution. Build an invasion-proof culture that abhors leftists and illegals. Create hardened enclaves among the enemy. Become that “shining beacon on the hill”. Vacate the coasts (yes, Texas has a coast), build electoral walls around the middle of the country. Make flyover country completely unattractive to those who want to extend Californication, New Joke, New Jerksy into the heartland.

  48. avatar Sprocket says:

    Proving once again the Republicans are a party of opportunist douchebags. Once we’re done with the Democrats these people need to be next against the wall.

  49. avatar Jay in Florida one town over from Parkland says:

    Other then the Las Vegas shooter. No AR15s trigger groups had been modified and used in a crime So banning these “improvements” aren’t going to stop anyone but me. My only reason and I haven’t done it. Would be to make my AR a better target gun. Any trigger on a stock gun is more then sufficient to spray and pray.
    This legislation accomplished nothing in the long run.
    $400 for trigger group on a $600 Ruger isn’t very practical.
    18-20 year old single mom or just a single person. Deserves and has the Constitutional right to own a long gun for self defense.
    As for taking guns away on the word of a single individual with no evidence to back it up. The owner having no redress to keep their guns??
    Extending the waiting period a few days is for the most part harmless. Just a bit inconvenient to some.
    These laws are going to go right to the courts. We will just have to sit back for now and see what Scott does or doesn’t do first.
    On a selfish note. These law changes wont affect the majority of Florida gun owners. Its just not right to have the Elephants nose under the tent flap for now.

    1. avatar John in Ohio says:

      You got the wrong end of the elephant and we know what he is doing to Florida right now.

  50. avatar JD says:

    This carve out for LE won’t work in our shop. If the law goes to 21 and we get a 20 year old rookie looking to buy they will be sent away. The only exception would be military. They will be able to buy at 18. Screw the special carve out for LEO. I saw what they did in Broward and anyone that cowardly doesn’t deserve to be armed. We have already cancelled sales to special exemption people in other states that ban scary black rifles to it’s citizens.

    1. avatar Sian says:

      You’re one of the good ones.

      Carveouts have no place in our society.

  51. avatar Soccerchainsaw says:

    Of course they passed it. Because punishing the innocent for the violent acts of the guilty always works. “There’s been a murder. Go round up the usual suspects.”

  52. avatar Oh noes says:

    Now that the easy things are out of the way ie, Now they can focus on banning magazines over 10 rounds, 200 type of “assault rifles” by name, private person to person transfer. AND assault rifle “FEATURES” detachable magazines, stocks, fore grip compensator, bayonet lug, pistol grip.
    Next will be the online ammo purchases, gun shop ammo BG check. and “Shock wave” Shot gun/firearm/AOW’s
    Next “High power” 50 cal rifles will be banned, because who needs a 50 to hunt with?
    Repealing Stand your ground laws, mandatory safe storage.

    1. avatar Oh noes says:

      ^^^^^^^^^Does all that SHIT sound reasonable? It’s just common sense measures to reduce gun violence. SLIPPERY SLOPE to gun co
      Waiting perjmiods are fucking bullshit, If you pass the Background check you are entitled to take possession of your Damn firearm. What about battered Wives/Girlfriends , A few have died waiting for their guns.

      1. avatar John in Ohio says:

        “If you pass the Background check you are entitled to take possession of your Damn firearm.”

        No background check needed; shall not be infringed.

  53. avatar Kenneth G Maiden says:

    The important thing here is, chicken poo RINOS, now “feel” good. We stood tall and did SOMETHING the gray suited overlords shout. The dirty secret, we don’t give a damn about YOUR rights. So F off unwashed serfs, just obey.

  54. avatar Libertarian says:

    Welcome in the lost state group (colorado, oregon, washington).

    Florida have nothing done since 2005 since the stand your ground law passend for gun owners !

  55. avatar raptor jesus says:

    This won’t stop a fucking thing.

  56. avatar Dave says:

    Graham and Blumenthal are readying something at the federal level. Hopefully it will fail.

  57. avatar OnTheList says:

    Of course, people could always start, you know *using*, the second amendment in the interest of protecting it.

    Crazy thoughts.

  58. avatar RV6 Driver says:

    So basically anyone who doesn’t like you or agree with your political stance can report you to authorities as a “dangerous” person.

    There will be thousands of calls a day. More unenforceable feel good legislation brought to you by GOP majority held leadership.

    If you wanta get all worked up over this just realize that these politicians are gonna do whatever they want in regards to gun laws but in reality there is absolutely no enforcement strategy attached to any of these laws.

    This is just Knee-jerk “we have to do something” crap.

  59. avatar Red Forman says:

    Wall it off.

  60. avatar Greg Kent says:

    Thank yo for the information, called and emailed Gov Scott’s office to oppose this bill.

  61. avatar Hannibal says:

    So, if they can raise the age to 21, what can’t they raise it to?

    A question that I am sure the men supposedly in charge of answering Constitutional questions will refuse to hear.

    1. avatar John in Ohio says:

      http://constitutionality.us/SupremeCourt.html

      (If this is a duplicate, I’m having some trouble viewing my comments on TTAG at the moment.)

  62. avatar Bryan Badger says:

    I live in FL. I own a pistol with a lightened trigger return spring. Does this make me a felon? I don’t even KNOW because the law is so ambiguous. How can they pass a law that is so non-specific that people don’t even know weather or not they’re compliant?

    1. avatar Sam I Am says:

      I read somewhere that it is only “illegal” to pass a law wherein complying with one element results in non-compliance with another element in the same law.

  63. avatar Disgruntled Floridian says:

    Not one inch. If this happened a few years later when I wasn’t a senior in high school, I’d love to take this bill to court for infringing on fundamental rights. Why do I need to be 21 to buy a gun? Under the same logic, I should need to be 21 to vote and use my freedom of speech as well. I better not grease the bolt on my Mauser 98, it’ll increase the rate of fire and make me a felon.

  64. avatar John Thayer says:

    I know the Florida legislature. I know that it has always taken them a long, long time to pass any gun legislation. To pass anti-gun legislation in a short time indicates fraudulent intent and nullifies there efforts as far as I am concerned.

  65. avatar wrench says:

    “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support, protect, and defend the Constitution and Government of the United States and of the State of Florida; “

  66. avatar Steven says:

    If i recall correctly everyone of the assholes that is making the laws in this country took an oath to protect the constitution not just parts they agree with.I took the same oath when i enlisted in the military and i took it to heart.

  67. avatar wrench says:

    “I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”

    Never ending oath…

  68. avatar Divemedic says:

    It says “to a faster rate than is possible for a person to fire such semiautomatic firearm.”

    Which person? Any person? Jerry Michulek fires 8 rounds a second from a REVOLVER. Is he the standard? Or is my 80 year old arthritic mother, who would find it difficult to shoot a round every 5 seconds? What is the legal standard here?

    1. avatar Chupacrabron says:

      6 rds a second from a revolver. And Miculek isn’t really the average gun aficionado. I am not sure what you are trying to figure out?

      1. avatar Divemedic says:

        Actually, in 1999 he set a world record by firing 8 shots in one second. He also did 6 rounds, a reload, and then 6 more shots in 2.99 seconds. Look it up.

        My point is that the statute is poorly worded by saying “faster than a shooter could fire” note that the statute does not specify WHICH shooter, nor does is say “faster than an average shooter” – it is very vague. Words mean things, and in a statutory definition, that statute often hinges on a single word.

  69. avatar Chupacrabron says:

    The GOP didn’t have a problem giving me a full auto rifle in nam when I was 20!

  70. avatar Edward says:

    “Kevin says:
    March 8, 2018 at 02:41
    Police failed ,FBI failed and the gun owners get hit once again! I have a question. Who honestly fights for the responsible firearms owners now days?” Well I’ll tell you who fights for responsible firearms owners now days, It’s called the NRA.

  71. avatar Beef says:

    Are they going to come around and cut off the trigger finger of everyone who has a semi-auto rifle. Or, has no one told them you can bump fire with no modifications what-so-ever.

  72. Does this mean I can no longer “fan” the hammer on my old colt revolver when shooting?

  73. avatar Richard Kennedy says:

    The GOP at their best….no balls…back down on everything even when they have all the power. Cowards just like the US Congress GOP.

  74. avatar Morgrid says:

    I don’t think this will hold up to challenge in the courts.

    The way the Florida constitution is written gives them the power to regulate how something is carried, not what is carried.

  75. avatar Joe R. says:

    Let the lawsuits begin.

  76. avatar SERF says:

    GREAT NOW I AM A FELON, no way to comply, no relief, well come get then, i will be ready to hand it over and my bullets, I never thought florida would be so becoming like california

  77. avatar Wake UP People says:

    They should ban murder, trucks, cars, texting and driving, drunk driving, flying, getting a pilots license, bombs, communists, gasoline, propane, pressure cookers, drugs and more, so easy to buy gas, or hijack a gas tanker truck, rent a moving truck, or a thousand other ways to kill people.

  78. avatar Mo says:

    Registered machinegun conversion devices (already under NFA purview) woundn’t fall under this bill. The spirit of this law is to ban devices that simulate automatic fire, not regulate automatic weapons in any way. Both letter of law and spirit of law are considered. The bill is very specific in its intent though the wording is quite vague.

    But if any Floridians own a registered HK pack and feel they need to sell it before the ban goes into affect in Oct…I’ll buy it 🙂

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