Be Careful What You Wish For: Quote of the Day

Dean Weingarten open carry

“A country where it is considered aberrant to possess near-military grade weapons and where guns were again banned in many public places would likely have very different politics around guns than the country that pro-gun and anti-gun advocates live in today.” – Henry Farrell [not shown], This is how guns became normalized in American life [via nytimes.com]

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  1. avatar Alan Esworthy says:

    I suppose belaboring the obvious is necessary for most nytimes.com readers.

  2. avatar Joe R. says:

    Politics would be supplanted by wholesale (and at times, selfishly freelance violence) and the ‘gun argument’ would be settled, in relatively short order for the undecided and wrongly-decided at the NYT.

  3. avatar ATFAgentBob says:

    well no sh!t Sherlock! We’d still be a bunch of British colonies.

    1. avatar Rich M says:

      …or we’d be speaking German or Japanese.

      1. avatar Vic Nighthorse says:

        That is a bit hyperbolic. The Russians didn’t end up speaking German and the Japanese didn’t stand a snowball’s chance in hell of winning, more or less arms in civilians hands wouldn’t have made a difference.

        1. avatar Keith says:

          Mr. Nighthorse learn your history. Admiral Yamamoto is known to expressed his concerns about invading America because of the armed civilian population where there were thought to be guns behind every blade of grass!

        2. avatar Rick the Bear says:

          Russians didn’t end up speaking German ‘cause Germany lost. 8>)

        3. avatar Kenneth says:

          S/He’s a bit history challenged. Since the loser’s lost, they would have always lost, even if not opposed. I’m guessing s/he also believes in destiny w/o freedom of choice and thinks logic is some useless subject that only nerds used to take in college courses. 🙂

  4. avatar Indiana Tom says:

    “A country where it is considered aberrant to possess near-military grade weapons and where guns were again banned in many public places would likely have very different politics around guns than the country that pro-gun and anti-gun advocates live in today.”
    Yes, it would be the enlightened politics of North Korea.

  5. avatar Shire-man says:

    Different places are different. Hurrr durrrr I’m a gurnolyst.

  6. avatar stateisevil says:

    Our way of life isn’t sustainable. The martial aspect of the right to bear arms has an expiration date. Florida begins the death roll with the GOP gun control package next week.

    1. avatar Rich M says:

      Look for it to contain a bumpfire stock ban and an over 21 age requirement. The later of course, begs the question: Our young adults can’t buy any semi-auto firearm until they are age 21. But they can Join the Army, Navy, Airforce, Marines at 17.5 yo and train and handle firearms with full auto selector switch?

      What’s wrong with this picture

      1. avatar strych9 says:

        16 with a parental waiver.

        1. avatar Curtis Barrow says:

          Okay, 21 for all semi-autos. Then make it 18 (16 with parental waiver!) for ANY non-semi-autos!

          I have never understood (I know the concealment factor) why 18 year olds were okayed to get LONG guns, which are far more effective in terminal ballistics than handguns are…

          {!-{P

    2. avatar Indiana Tom says:

      AR-15 ban failed. See how the legislative mess does in the future.

  7. avatar i1uluz says:

    My the “Times” have changed it seems. “At Newspaper Row, across from City Hall, Henry Raymond, owner and editor of The New York Times, averted the rioters with Gatling guns, one of which he manned. ”

    New York City Draft riots July 1863. Gatling guns seem like the ultimate military grade weapon of mass destruction at the time. Yet a private citizen owned them and used them to protect his property.

    Do as I say not as we do to protect our property and lives.

    1. avatar Curtis Barrow says:

      HA! Good one! {!-{>

  8. avatar neiowa says:

    The NY Times knows “aberrant”.

  9. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

    New York Slimes,bird cage liner of choice.

  10. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

    Since that quote made absolutely no sense at all, I went ahead and read the ‘opinion’ piece and have to say the author must be high on jenkem. He posits that since they banned smoking in bars (in Ireland) people have stopped smoking in bars. This didn’t happen because the smokers were afraid of getting a small fine but because non smokers were emboldened to complain. Therefore, even if a ban on semi-automatic weapons wouldn’t take the the millions already in private ownership out of circulation, it would change the culture.

    The problem with this hypothesis is that I don’t think that if the students in Parkland, Florida had felt emboldened to complain about being shot, it would have made much difference. The problem isn’t the people who politely take their cigarettes outside to smoke them, it’s with the people who will blow smoke in your face if you complain. Attempting to shame responsible law abiding gu n owners isn’t going to change the behavior of criminals. In fact it could embolden them due to the perceived lack of potential armed resistance.

    1. avatar Lance Manion says:

      Harumpf!!!

    2. avatar HEGEMON says:

      I agree 100% that jenkum was smoked/inhaled prior to publication. 100% jenkum right from BHO’s own special septic tank blend.

      1. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

        You know you’ve hit rock bottom when you’re huffing jenkem.

  11. avatar Rich M says:

    Well said Gov.!

  12. avatar Shameless Rush Limbaugh Dittohead says:

    “Attempting to shame responsible law abiding gun owners isn’t going to change the behavior of criminals. In fact it could embolden them due to the perceived lack of potential armed resistance”. ~Gov. William J Le Petomane ~

    It does, look at Mexico and Brazil; Armed robberies in broad day light.
    Go to the Active Self Protection Channel on you tube. 90% of the videos are of strong arm robberies. seems gun control is working pretty D@^^N well there.

    1. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

      The same could be said for Chicago, DC, etc.

  13. avatar Patrick says:

    From the link:
    “They have also seen a concerted effort to widen the number of places in which people are allowed to have firearms. This can be understood as a massive effort in norm engineering. If many people carry guns around with them as part of their everyday activity, and if there are ever fewer places where people cannot carry guns, then guns will seem to be an ordinary and normal part of everyday life.”

    I agree. Seeing him say this supports the argument for open carry.

    1. avatar strych9 says:

      “This can be understood as a massive effort in norm engineering. “

      Or it could be a massive effort to prevent people from having to leave guns in cars where they are relatively easy targets for theft.

      It’s almost like these guys have no idea what they’re talking about.

  14. avatar tsbhoa.p.jr says:

    I will never tire of that photo. or is that new?

  15. avatar Bierce Ambrose says:

    You can’t “normalize” what’s normal, and always has been.

  16. avatar Joe R. says:

    That place has existed in many fucked up places around the world throughout history. None survived to be copied.

    One of them was England, and US civilians donated and loaned their firearms to them.

    No one’s going to be permitted to turn the US into a donee / borrower state.

  17. avatar Jim Bullock says:

    The mask slips…

    The open / closed carry, brandishing, packaging, and similar laws are about denormalizing guns. More bigly it’s about denormalizing taking care of yourself. Why do you have that water, knife, lighter, gun, power strip, raincoat, whatever?

    I don’t understand driving around in winter without a tow rope, maybe a shovel, and of course a blanket. If you don’t have a couple flares in your car, you’re just silly. Why? Stuff happens.

    They’re normalizing helplessness and dependence. That’s bizarre, and ought to stop.

  18. avatar Mad Max says:

    Maybe when they ban all semi-autos and try to confiscate them, they’ll order the Broward County Sheriff’s Department to execute the confiscation.

    They’ll be a quick end to that with those cowards running the other way at the first sight of an AR-15.

    1. avatar Keith says:

      I am now reading that there were 3 other sheriff’s deputies who showed up and disn’t Go in either. Just hunkered down behind their cars waiting for SWAT and Coral Springs cops are pissed about it!!

  19. avatar Mad Max says:

    “This is how guns became normalized in American life”.

    Yep. It all started on April 19th, 1775.

    1. avatar Curtis Barrow says:

      Amen! {!-{>

  20. avatar Mark Kelly's Diapered Drooling Ventriloquist's Dummy says:

    N.Y. Times? LOL!

    I wonder how all the 21st Century Walter Durantys are doing and what anti-gun propaganda they have planned for us this week.

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