The Trace: “A handgun homicide is nine times more likely to be found justified when the killer is white and the victim is a black man.”

Justified homicides by race of killer and killee (courtesy thetrace.org)

Michael Bloomberg’s anti-gun agitpropagandists at The Trace are closing out the year with a farrago of firearm “facts” highlighting the need to disarm Americans. Click here for 11 Facts That Tell the Story of Gun Violence in 2017. Needless to say . . .

all their “facts” are skewed or lack context. Or, in one case, don’t say what they want them to say.

Check out the headline above. Here’s the rest of the story:

In an analysis of homicide reports spanning more than 30 years of FBI data, the Marshall Project uncovered stark racial disparities among the killings that are deemed justifiable.

Overall, one in 50 murders is ruled justified — but when the killer is white and the victim is a black man, the figure climbs to one in six. Handgun killings with a white shooter and a black male victim exhibit an even more dramatic bias: one in four is found justified.

Research has found that Stand Your Ground measures intensify this racial disparity, and those laws are seeing a resurgence in Republican-dominated states.

Racist laws! Racist judges! Racist Republicans! White racist Republicans — with guns! Murdering blacks — and getting away with it! Gun control is the answer! Hang on . . .

How did “killings that are deemed justifiable” become “murders ruled justified”? A justified homicide isn’t murder. Anyone who suggests otherwise has an anti-gun axe to grind.

Anyway, here’s my theory explaining this “racial disparity”: that’s the way the cookie crumbles.

More black men/women pose an imminent credible threat of grievous bodily harm or death to a white man/woman than the other way around. Also worth noting: most whites justifiably shoot whites, and most blacks justifiably shoot blacks.

I’m sure that’s racist too, somehow.

Meanwhile, please keep in mind that all Americans have a natural, civil and Constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms, regardless of their race, creed, color or sexual orientation. Regardless of what someone else does or doesn’t do with their gun.

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  1. avatar Leighton Cavendish says:

    OK…and by the numbers…how many homicides…total and percentage…are white on black…white on white…black on white?
    What are the circumstances involved?
    If the black guy is an attacker/home invader/etc then it will probably be ruled OK.
    There are many variables to consider…including how many violent crimes are done .
    Homicide is not just murder…it can be justified self-defense…
    Look at who does what …in what numbers and percentages…just sayin’…

    1. avatar BLoving says:

      Here’s another one: how many of those “whites” who shot a black man were also Hispanics? Yup. Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race – Hispanics are categorized as white by the .gov.
      Makes no difference to the “victim”, who if his shooting was ruled as justified, was probably up to no good at the time… but it might put a slightly different spin on the data to these bigots who spend way too much time obsessing over race…
      🤠

      1. avatar Alan Esworthy says:

        Is my recollection correct that the FBI crime stats break out a “Hispanic” class for victims but not perps?

  2. avatar DrewR says:

    Ahh, the fine art of cherry picking.

  3. avatar CZ Peasy says:

    “Victim.” That says it all. If a black man breaks into a white woman’s house and tries to rape and murder her but she shoots and kills him, then the black man is the “victim.” Maybe if black people weren’t so morally depraved they would not get shot as much in the course of their criminal deeds.

    1. avatar Billy Ray says:

      This.

    2. avatar Serpent_Vision says:

      What percentage of black people are actually breaking into homes and raping white women?

      Categorizing an entire demographic based on the misdeeds of a few makes about as much sense as blaming all “assault weapon” owners for the few who commit mass murders.

      1. avatar CZ Peasy says:

        How do I know you are a lefty? Because you misrepresent what I said then criticize what I didn’t say. Typical Alinsky tactics.

        1. avatar TStew says:

          I’m guessing that it was less the classification of victim you illustrated (which absolutely occurs in the media) and more the moral depravity comment that got a reaction, nobody mischaracterized what you said, and nice attempt with throwing out Alinsky. Good one…

          That being said it seems there are lots of new fake commenters here these days, several of whom seem to have a mission to bring that white power, racist bullshit angle into play. Out of curiosity, how much do they pay you and Billy Ray (assuming you’re not the same person) for your fake racist bullshit?

          If you’re a genuine racist shit talker, or just a plain old inarticulate knuckle dragger, my sincerest apologies. You’re absolutely useless to the mission of protecting and advancing gun rights, but apologies just the same.

        2. avatar Steve in TX says:

          “Maybe if black people weren’t so morally depraved”

          Maybe you should read and edit what you typed before you post it. Then the rest of us would know what you wanted to say instead of the generalizing garbage you posted. Judge individuals, not an entire people.

        3. avatar pwrserge says:

          All you muh’ racism idiots need to shut your mouths. Simple fact is that less than 10% of the population commits over 50% of the homicides. When this is the case, there is something fundamentally wrong with that 10% of the population. At this point, I don’t care what the cause it, but so called “black leaders” better fix their shit before they come bitching about how their community is “being persecuted”.

        4. avatar TStew says:

          Serge, I’d disagree with nothing you just said. There are clearly issues. Clearly. But it isn’t as if 100% of that 10% is responsible for the crime and violence. A higher percentage than in other ethnic communities? Likely. All of the black ethnic community? Highly unlikely.

        5. avatar pwrserge says:

          It’s a fundamental problem. It may not manifest in the entirety of the population, but is an inherent problem with how the community behaves and what behavior the community finds acceptable. The reality is that real “community leaders” would be working their asses off to change this self-destructive pattern of behavior within their community. Unfortunately, modern “community leaders” find it simpler to just blame whitey and demand more free shit.

        6. avatar TStew says:

          Serge, I agree completely…with what you said. With the original comment? Nope.

          What I challenge here is not what you’re saying but someone who I think is a fake shitposting paid troll who is here to serve two purposes: paint the POTG as blatant racists and divide us from within. The volume of comments like the one that sparked this thread have gone up exponentially around these parts since The Donald got elected (hallelujah), and I believe it’s by design, dangerous to the cause and fake AF.

  4. avatar Echo5Bravo says:

    There are 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed. U.S. population 324,059,091 as of Wednesday, June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.00925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year. Statistically speaking, this is insignificant! What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:

    • 65% of those deaths are by suicide which would never be prevented by gun laws

    • 15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified

    • 17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – gun violence

    • 3% are accidental discharge deaths

    So technically, “gun violence” is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many? Well, first, how are those deaths spanned across the nation?

    • 480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago in a 4 mile radius of west Garfield park. African American population density 85.5%

    • 344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore. African American population density 63.7 %

    • 333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit. African American population density 82.7%

    • 119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years) African American population density 50.7%

    So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, all 4 of those cities have a higher than 60% African American population in the highest crime areas of the city. It is not the lack of law that is the root cause, it is a young African American male problem that can not be addressed solely by legislation.

    1. avatar thebronze says:

      Excellent!

    2. avatar epickett says:

      I wish I *knew* how to end that problem. I realize that lack of education and employment opportunities is a LARGE part of why so many young black males feel that crime is a valid option. Unfortunately, there is probably a lack of resources to improve either of those situations.

      1. avatar pwrserge says:

        Oh yeah… because obviously the solution is more free shit from .gov rather than personal accountability.

        1. avatar epickett says:

          I’m not talking about GIVING free stuff to people. I’m talking about improving the local economy so that there are more employment opportunities and better schools.

        2. avatar Pat H says:

          Who said anything about giving away “free shlt?”? You totally made that up.

    3. avatar Rusty says:

      Can this be made into an infograph and posted everywhere please! So much easier to picture the information when you lay out all of the facts, and not just agendas. Great research, thank you for that. I might change the ‘over 60% statistic to ‘those 4 cities have an average percentage of 70.65%’, just because I instinctually questioned where you got the 60% number from.
      EDIT: haha nice repost by Ted Nugents Facebook, you may want to credit your original source

  5. avatar LarryinTX says:

    I would guess that means a black man who is shot dead is 9 times as likely to have been committing a violent felony when he died. Until you demonstrate that is not true, your numbers are meaningless.

  6. avatar D says:

    Maybe more blacks are committing violent crimes?
    Maybe more white are armed?
    Maybe none of it matters and the writer is racist?

  7. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

    Agenda much?

  8. avatar FedUp says:

    So, you’re saying that when white people shoot black people, it’s usually in legitimate self defense?
    So, what’s your problem, exactly?

  9. avatar adverse5 says:

    9 times more likely to need shooting.

  10. avatar Jomo says:

    The hard reality is that black men commit 50% of the murders in this country, and 90% of those are related to gang violence. The Trace’s so-called information is disingenuous. As a black man, I myself cross the street when I see one of these young punks coming down the street with his pants hanging off his ass. Cry me a river and build a bridge over it. Spare me the white guilt and crocodile tears. More dead thugs please.

    The great irony of all of this, of course, is that ‘Stand Your Ground’ overwhelmingly benefits black men, but the Trace doesn’t like that either.

  11. avatar ironicatbest says:

    What a wonderful mess. In the near future. These statistics will change as more and more White blue collar workers lose their jobs. If the gubment thinks they’ve got problems now, wait until ‘Whitey’ starts their ghetto history.

    1. avatar Scoutino says:

      That suggests that people become criminals because they don’t have a job. Maybe it happens sometimes. Much more often criminals just don’t want to work, so they don’t need job.
      In other words, powerty doesn’t cause violent crime. Violent crime causes powerty.

  12. avatar anonymoose says:

    Perhaps it’s that white guys are more likely to have things that black guys try to take by force, which then backfires when the white guy defends himself and his property. AND NOT A SINGLE FUCK WAS GIVEN THAT DAY.

  13. avatar former water walker says:

    Well personally I’ve been attacked SEVERAL times by a black man. And I wasn’t armed(except having 19″ arms). And I’m white. NOW I’m more often packing a gat. And those pythons ain’t so big in my old age…way back when I fought the sob’s off-now I’d shoot the sob’s. A simple progression…😄

  14. avatar MLee says:

    The Trace? Fake!

  15. avatar Ralph says:

    Translation: “A handgun homicide is nine times more likely to be found justified when the killer is the innocent victim of a crime and the dead guy is a criminal scvmbag.”

  16. avatar Hannibal says:

    Yes, and police tend to kill young black men in a number that exceeds the latter’s proportion in society.

    But then again… young black men tend to kill cops more than their representation in society as well. And each other. Could there possibly be a confounding variable or two in all of this?

    (spoiler: duh.)

  17. avatar GS650G says:

    Bet it’s pretty fucking rare too.

  18. avatar Rusty Chains says:

    How to lie with statistics: Step one, know what your answer is going to be before you start. Step two, cherry pick your data set to get your required answer. Step three, when all else fails edit your data or just skip to the part where you lie about the result.

  19. avatar JW says:

    I expect more handgun homicides by women are found to be justified than those by men… clear evidence of sexist court bias in favor of the ladies – nothing at all to do with the fact that gun-toting female gangsters are a bit less common

  20. avatar The Gray Man says:

    Black people pose a certain threat to white people that white people do not pose to them. It’s a fact, and that fact doesn’t care about anyone’s racial sensibilities.

  21. avatar Maxi says:

    I’m not even saying that they are lying, i don’t have any better numbers right now.
    My conclusion is just a little different: black people should stop giving any person, no matter the race or gender or whatever, a reason to kill them in justified self defense. Keep your hands in your own pockets and you will survive just fine.

  22. avatar Keystone says:

    Here’s a tip — use a free internet archive site when linking to garbage rags like The Trace/Salon/etc. They only survive on clickbait-y titles and fake news “polls and studies” like this one; clicking on their site helps them regardless of what you’re going there to read or disprove. Using an archive robs them of that.

    1. avatar Andrew Lewis says:

      +1

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