Cops Are Shooting Unarmed Black Suspects. And?

Percentage of people shot by cops (in 31 departments) from 2010 - 2016 who were unarmed (courtesy thetruthaboutguns.com)

“An exclusive analysis of data from the 50 largest local police departments in the United States shows that police shoot Americans more than twice as often as previously known,” news.vice.com reports . . .Number of people fired upon by cops in top 50 police agencies from 2010 - 2016 (courtesy news.vice.com)Vice reports that these top 50 police departments — representing “148,000 police officers who serve more than 54 million Americans” — shot at 4,381 people from 2010 to 2016.

For the math-challenged (myself included), that’s 14.60 people shot at per department per year. As the majority of those citizens who faced flying lead from their local po-po survived, that’s not exactly a genocidal campaign.

Nor ethnic cleansing. But you don’t need me to tell you that today’s anti-cop rhetoric focuses on race.

"An exclusive analysis of data from the 50 largest local police departments in the United States shows that police shoot Americans more than twice as often as previously known," news.vice.com reports. That's a very small sample, considering the fact that America is home to . . . 17,985 U.S. police agencies. Anyway, Vice reports that these "top 50" police departments shot at 4,381 people from 2010 to 2016. For the math challenged (myself included), that's 14.60 people per department per year. As the majority of those citizens who faced flying lead from their local po-po survived, that's not exactly a genocidal campaign.  Nor ethnic cleansing. But you need me to tell you that today's anti-cop rhetoric focuses on race. 

The fine print on the chart above tells us that Vice reduced the sample size to 31 police departments. Also worth noting: Vice’s chart lists police shootings per 100,000 people.

This excerpt from washingtpost.com explains why Vice’s race card agenda forced them to adjust for population, rather than list the raw numbers (which would have created a significantly different chart from the one above):

In 2015, The Washington Post launched a real-time database to track fatal police shootings, and the project continues this year. As of Sunday (July 5 2016), 1,502 people have been shot and killed by on-duty police officers since Jan. 1, 2015. Of them, 732 were white, and 381 were black (and 382 were of another or unknown race).

After stoking anti-police bias and racial animus — intimating that racism accounts for the fact that predominantly black communities experience more police-involved shootings than predominantly white communities — Vice plays the ultimate victim card. The police are shooting unarmed blacks!

Unarmed people shot by cops in 21 police departments form 2010 - 2016 (courtesy news.vice.com)Now we’re down to sample size of 24 police departments (out of the aforementioned 17,985 U.S. total) and wouldn’t you know it? Latinos are the ethnic group most often shot by cops while unarmed in this survey. And?

And Vice is forced to mention the reality of the situation — albeit while casting doubt on any interpretation that would undermine their underlying assumption that racist police are targeting and shooting blacks.

Police officers and some academics say shootings reflect local crime rates or how often police come into contact with certain groups, not racial bias. In their view, it’s not fair to look at use of force by population alone.

Nick Selby, a Texas police detective and author of “In Corntext: Understanding Police Killings of Unarmed Civilians,” said it’s important to take into account the socioeconomic factors underlying crime and policing as well as the circumstances of each encounter.

“Deadly force has a disproportionate effect on nonwhite people, that’s true, but nonwhite people disproportionately engage in behavior that is criminal and dangerous,” Selby said. (Blacks and Hispanics are arrested at higher rates than whites for both violent and nonviolent crimes, but the researchisunclear on whether they are more likely to commit them.) (emphasis ours)

And there you have it: context. Yay!

The article also skates over the reasons cops shoot citizens: the officer believes the possible perp poses an imminent, credible threat of grievous bodily harm or death to police or innocent life.

A unarmed perp can be shot for trying to beat someone with his or her fists. For attempting to escape the scene of a violent crime. For going for an officer’s gun. For driving a car at an officer. And more.

Vice works hard to cast doubt on the possibility that the cops who fired on unarmed black suspects were justifed by neglecting to mention the above circumstances, peppering their article with heart-tugging YouTube videos of unarmed blacks shot by cops in dubious or — in the case above — unknown circumstances, and “answering” reasonable explanations for the stats with anti-cop quotes like this:

Bruce Franks Jr., a protester in Ferguson who now serves as a St. Louis representative in the Missouri legislature, said cops in his city shoot first and come up with reasons later. St. Louis had the highest per capita rate of police shootings among the 50 departments we analyzed but provided scant details for shootings that happened after 2014. (A spokeswoman for the department said all shootings were investigated fairly.)

“There doesn’t have to be a gun involved. We see these cases where somebody has a cell phone or somebody makes the wrong move,” Franks said. “There’s a million reasons they give so it ends up being justified.”

And there are a million reasons why Vice wants its readers to think racist white cops are assassinating unarmed blacks as a matter of course. Well, at least one: to promote a more powerful centralized government.

Hey, Vice. Be careful what you wish for.

comments

  1. avatar pwrserge says:

    Vice went down the tubes when they started partnering with AJ+ aka the Quatari ministry of foreign propaganda.

  2. avatar Nanashi says:

    Not mentioned is that the large urban areas these police departments are located in have a higher than average percentage of black residents.

    Or, you know, the fact that blacks commit substantially more crimes.

    1. avatar Madcapp says:

      Be careful when telling the truth these days, you might be compelled to lose your job or home (or both) because your objective observation hurt someone’s feelings.

    2. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

      That’s what I was thinking. By limiting the study to the largest 31 or 24 PDs you’re probably taking a sliver of the population that is 60 or 70% black. The Grundy Center, Iowa PD is probably far more likely to shoot a white than any other race. But it’s not nearly as large as the Chicago PD or the Detroit PD.

      1. avatar Carrucan says:

        The Grundy Center, Iowa PD are 100% more likely to shoot a cow than in Chicago, too.

        1. avatar Jbw says:

          Is that a black or brown cow?

        2. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

          I should confess, I grew up in the next county over and picked Grundy Center because it’s the most podunk sounding small town name I could think of in the state. To be fair, it’s close enough to Waterloo / Cedar Falls to be somewhat of an exurb. Now 17 miles away lies Eldora, which was far too Latin sounding to use, but a decade and maybe a half ago or so a big hailstorm went through and to this day half the homes are boarded up and abandoned, since no one’s going to put a $50,000 insurance check into a home that will be worth $15,000 once the work is done.

    3. avatar JasonM says:

      They also didn’t share any data on the racial make up of these police departments. The biggest 50 departments in the US are going to be in larger cities, where the cops are more likely to be…black!
      So those black cops are shooting black suspects, because they’re racist?

      Cherry picking this late in the season will undoubtedly result in something rotten.

    4. avatar Chris Morton says:

      What crime did Charles Kinsey commit?

  3. avatar Ralph says:

    “1,502 people have been shot and killed by on-duty police officers since Jan. 1, 2015. Of them, 732 were white, and 381 were black (and 382 were of another or unknown race).”

    There’s only one solution that will satisfy SJWs and BLMs — the cops just have to shoot more white people to balance the books.

    Statisticians can accomplish the same thing bloodlessly simply by reclassifying some blacks and unknowns as “white.”

    Modern, open-minded academics will just allow everybody to go full Dolezal by choosing their own race.

    And gungrabbers will claim that all the dead were children.

    1. avatar Geoff PR says:

      Rachel Dolezal is back, and she’s hawking the book she (had ghostwritten?) about her ‘struggle’ as a Black woman, ‘In Full Color: Finding My Place in a Black and White World’.

      Some nice pics here of pre-Black Rachel :

      https://nypost.com/2017/03/23/rachel-dolezal-explores-her-blackness-in-bizarre-memoir/

      And here’s a recent article on her new career, being an ‘Artisanal lollipop saleswoman’ :

      https://nypost.com/2017/11/15/rachel-dolezal-is-now-an-artisanal-lollipop-saleswoman/

      http://racheldolezal.com/index.php/homemade-lollipops/

      1. avatar Ralph says:

        I can’t wait for Elizabeth Warren’s book, “My Life as a Cherokee Squaw.” Available soon at a science fiction book store near you, or online at Amazon.

  4. avatar DaveL says:

    You know, it’s interesting that they treat “Latino” as separate from “Black” and “White”. This is not the methodology used by the FBI in their Uniform Crime Report. They consider “Hispanic” to be a separate axis that can include any race in theory. I wonder what these charts would look like if “Latino” were collapsed back into the other races as the FBI does?

  5. avatar st381183 says:

    It is interesting that the civilians in this survey are classified by race, but the cops are only classified as BLUE. What is the demographic breakdown of th officers that shot? Predominantly areas with a high population of blacks or Hispanics have police departments with a high number of black and Hispanic officers. So to say that a bunch of WHITE racist cops are responsible for each of these shootings is wrong. Also, “unarmed” doesn’t mean that there wasn’t a deadly threat there like hands, feat, car, physical size difference, etcetera. There is so much more data that needs to be analyzed to objectively see what’s really happening. I think violent mental illness is playing a more significant role as well.

    1. avatar Red in CO says:

      Hell, as dishonest as Vice is, all they mean, most likely, when they say “unarmed” is that the one shot didn’t have a firearm. Apparently, according to what I’m sure is the criteria Vice used, having a large knife, baseball bat, brass knuckles, brick, hatchet, etc still counts as being “unarmed”

  6. avatar Chip Bennett says:

    Ballpark, according to FBI UCR data, the rate of black-perpetrated violent crime is eight times the rate of white-perpetrated violent crime. In that context, it is remarkable that the rate of police-involved shootings of black suspects is a mere 2-2.5 the rate of police-involved shootings of white suspects.

  7. avatar Garrison Hall says:

    This video shows one of the reasons cops shoot people who shouldn’t get shot. Police training emphasizes the use of a “command voice” to insure compliance from suspects. I suppose the premise behind this training is that if a otherwise emotionally immature, socially awkward cop can somehow make himself sound like a military training instructor he or she will be better able to compel compliance from the perps (that’s you and me, folks). For reasons that are obvious in this video, this can be a prescription for disaster. What stands out in this video is that the cop’s use of his fakey-do “command voice” did noting but confuse an innocent citizen which ended up getting him shot because he was TRYING TO PULL UP HIS PANTS!

    Put a cop like this in confrontation with people like underclass Blacks or really anyone who’s life experiences are different from his and the likelihood of getting shot increases exponentially. This happens simply because his communication style, far from being forceful, is simply confusing. Military DI’s are good at this stuff—young cops with low self-images are not. With cops like this on the streets it’s no wonder Black people and other minorities are scared shitless of cops. Everybody should be scared of a cop like this.

    1. avatar Maxi says:

      Those cops are retards and they should face nothing but lifetime for a straight execution. They made an extremely drunk, crying guy crawl on his crossed legs with hands up. Give a man an imposssible task and kill him if he fails. Also, every “tactic” (not sure if you could classify stupidity as a tactic) they used was wrong.
      Suspect facing them. Fail. Suspect crawling, making it slow and likely to trip, as he did. Fail. Suspect did not put his shirt up and turn around so that this retards would’ve known he has no gun on the hip. Fail. Yelling retarded comands that are contradictory and retarded. Fail. Not arresting him on the spot without making him move (they were NOT concerned about people still in the room, as some police defenders say, because you see they don’t even secure the room directly after but just walk around like headless chickens). FAILLLLL!!!!!

      1. avatar Mark N. says:

        I too was struck by the fact that the police DID NOT MOVE after they ordered the man and woman onto their knees with their hands in the air. Why didn’t they approach and cuff them right then and there? After all, there were TWO COPS. Why did they not approach? Then they had both of them face down on the ground, hands outstretched. WHAT WERE THEY AFRAID OF THEN? It isn’t as if the corner they were standing behind was going to save them if the guy really did have a gun, and besides, they had the drop on him and he obviously knew it. Yes, the guy did reach towards his waist, but it never should have gotten to that point.

        1. avatar Cloudbuster says:

          There were SIX cops!

      2. avatar Big Bill says:

        What’s not mentioned her (so I will mention it) is that the doorway he was very neqar to was the one he came out of.
        When something like this happens, the cops do NOT want to go near the door because there could well be another shooter in the room (the room had not been cleared) who could have started shooting if the cops approached.
        So having the man crawl to them is standard practice in such cases.

    2. avatar Hank says:

      He shot a white guy. Nobody cares. I’m not being a dick, it’s true. Liberals don’t give a shit if it’s a white guy being murdered.

    3. avatar Ing says:

      That was torture, straight up. And murder. But as Hank says, it was just some white dude. No profit to be made from it, so nobody that’s anybody needs to care. Move along.

      1. avatar epickett says:

        Oh, man – that was BRUTAL to watch. The cop told him to keep his hands up, and if he puts them down he’ll get shot. Then he tells the guy to crawl towards him. I thought he was going to get shot the second he put his hands down(which is what the cop threatened). And it doesn’t matter what color the guy was, he did NOT deserve to die like that…

  8. avatar Joe R. says:

    Wait, it’s not a complaint about cops shooting anyone INAPPROPRIATELY?

    If everyone who got shot by a cop, was someone who was appropriately ASKING FOR IT, then what would you have the cops do? SHOOT MORE OF THE OTHER GROUPS, FOR NO REASON?????????????

    If so, start with the Asians, they have the most catching up to do.

  9. avatar ironicatbest says:

    Cops with guns shoot people. On an other note… How hard is it to fit s barrel in s 1911, I’m looking to get a drop in and I see all this lug engagement ,.hood, and stuff. How hard is it really, could I do it with a file and nothing else. Where can I get a carbon steel drop in barrel?

    1. avatar ironicatbest says:

      Well fck. Appears I should debate more then fix guns.

    2. avatar Mikial says:

      What in the world are you even talking about? What has your disjointed comment to do with the topic being discussed?

  10. avatar Swarf says:

    Is Mr. Selby’s book really called In Corntext? Are you sure?

    1. avatar Splic3r says:

      He must be reporting on some of the Iowan PDs

  11. avatar Noishkel says:

    Well I’m not going to at all discount real serious issues with police use of force… well here’s a thought.

    Country to what the left the cops are not just a right wing death squad. They are a part of a very large system that sadly has a lot of problems that need to be resolved.

  12. avatar Robert says:

    Compiled figures from across the country show twice as many whites are shot by police as blacks.
    So what’s your point?

    1. avatar Mark N. says:

      Hey man, it’s all about percentages! Statistics matter! Raw numbers are “meaningless” without corntext.

  13. avatar former water walker says:

    Oh man it’s Vice…anything they do is innately suspect. BS media are US…

  14. avatar Macofjack says:

    Sounds like more liberal BS to me! Figures don’t lie, but liers figure!

  15. avatar Darkman says:

    Stupid people doing Stupid things winning Stupid prizes. When the person with the badge and gun tells you to do something. It’s always a good Idea to comply.

  16. avatar BobS says:

    CPRC addressed this question a year ago:

    Lott, John R. and Moody, Carlisle E., Do White Police Officers Unfairly Target Black Suspects? (November 15, 2016). Available at SSRN: https://ssrn.com/abstract=2870189 or http://dx.doi.org/10.2139/ssrn.2870189

  17. avatar John says:

    These numbers are completely expected. Who gets shot? People committing crimes. Which ethnic group accounts for the highest crime rate? Exactly.

    However, the last comprhensive national statistics I saw showed that a white suspect is far more likely to be shot than a black suspect.

    1. avatar Mark N. says:

      As a percentage of people shot, yes, but as percentages of their percentage of the population, no. Because numbers!

      1. avatar Cloudbuster says:

        As a percentage of criminal suspects, whites are shot in larger proportion than blacks. And that’s the proportion that really matters.

  18. avatar Astigmatizm says:

    If these are statistics where is the margin of error? There is no way these numbers are absolute.
    There are so many mixed marriages in this country, correctly categorizing a race could come down to “close enough for government work”.

  19. avatar Chris Morton says:

    Cops also shoot unarmed Black NON-suspects.

    Ask Charles Kinsey and Akai Gurley.

  20. avatar Chris Thompson says:

    Police killing the demographic that commits the most crime is a good thing, it should happen more often.

    1. avatar Chris Morton says:

      Regardless of actual threat, guilt or innocence?

      So, do you think that Akai Gurley and Charles Kinsey DESERVED to be shot?

      1. avatar Jim says:

        Welcome to the unashamed racism of the TTAG commenters.

        1. avatar T.H.E.Bear says:

          Jimmy bob. Up yours you self righteous cretin. Only a room temp IQ would see racism in simple numbers. Blacks are 13% of the population but commit 88% of the crimes in this country. If you are unable to process this simple fact then go back to school.

        2. avatar Chris Morton says:

          I notice that nobody answered that simple question.

        3. avatar Shallnot BeInfringed says:

          @ The Bore – let’s ask that question once more, “Regardless of actual threat, guilt or innocence? Meaning that, in your oh, so enlightened opinion, all blacks should be shot simply because they are of the same race as others who commit crimes?

          Gee, that sounds a lot like the leftists, and how they constantly insinuate that all gun owners are responsible for the crimes of a few, doesn’t it?

          I’ve got a very different perspective on who is truly a cretin (and a racist), and who should actually go back to school. Reading comprehension is a thing… maybe you should try it once.

        4. avatar Jeremy says:

          88% of the crime is committed by blacks? Blacks lead in homicide and robbery’s, that’s true. However the homicide numbers are partly skewed because a very large chunk of those murders are in concentrated gang areas like Chicago, Baltimore, New York, Cleveland, Detroit, etc……… There’s not some Helter Skelter bullcrap going down like Colin Flaherty and Charles Manson try and tried to preach. White people lead the crime in this country by a long shot and it’s not even close. Blacks kill each other at a higher rate than any other race, but the crime numbers are still higher for whites and that 88% of crime number is straight unfounded lies. Here’s the fbi crime by race data from 2016 that shows whites commit the most crime in this country and it’s not even close. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-21 . Then you look at Hispanic or Latino and you start to wonder why do we want to build this wall again? Whites lead by a long shot in rape, aggravated assault, burglary, larceny, arson, motor vehicle theft, drug abuse, violent crime as a whole, ……..etc. What’s interesting is how the numbers go up in robbery with the under 18 years of age blacks, which shows if you are to be robbed by a teenager he will more than like be black. Once again this all has to do with demographics as well. If you live in inner city Chicago you are more than likely going to get killed by a black man if you’re murdered. If you are a female you are more than likely to be raped by a white man because white run away with the rape stat and it’s not even a question. Interesting enough if you take the Chicago murders (762) alone out of the stats then the white and black murder numbers are almost exact. And yes we know blacks are a mere 13% of the population, but that %13 is concentrated in ghettos with high poverty and gang activity. Blacks killing each is a major problem that the communities can’t seem to fix but to preach you need to fear black people is false advertisement and there’s cemeteries full of white people who were killed by other whites. Don’t follow in Manson’s footsteps with this Helter Skelter rhetoric

        5. avatar Jeremy says:

          https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-21/table-21-overview.pdf
          I did the math a couple of times and I can’t seem to get 88%. This is the summary of the sheet that’s at the bottom of the page. I figured some would not read the entire data sheet so I posted the summary for those who would be guilty of such things.

        6. avatar Excedrine says:

          @Jeremy — Except that if you adjust for population, the whole “it’s not even close whitey leads” (non)argument actually flips in almost every single category. Blacks are still arrested far out-of-proportion for their demography and are correctly assigned with a higher incidence rate of criminality almost across the board. You’re correct that whites lead in absolute numbers, but it’s actually the rate per population that really counts. To simply pull even with blacks, whites would need to be arrested for about four times as many offenses as blacks — and the only category that actually reflects this is DUIs. You’re also correct in that the vast majority of crimes are concentrated in just a few neighborhoods in our large cities.

          This brings to a mind a study by a Yale sociologist which concluded that crime victimization was closely connected to social networks; i.e. the closer you’re socially related to the criminal element, the higher the likelihood of your victimization (he concentrated on homicides in CHIRAQ but it’s not a huge stretch to apply that to other crimes in other cities as well). This fit in well with the fact that the CDC finding 80% of homicides to be gang-related.

      2. avatar Me says:

        Police shooting someone (or any one shooting someone) has nothing to do with guilt or innocence. Shootings are justified if they are self defense (or the defense of others). The police are not shooting because a crime has occurred, its not a punishment.

  21. avatar anonymoose says:

    Hey Vice, how about I slap your shit? More people are beaten to death by hands and feet than shot to death by rifles of any type every year. Go back to doing documentaries about African marijuana culture.

  22. avatar Don from CT says:

    The relative rates of getting shot by race reflects what 2 of my LEO friends have told me off the record. That African Americans are the most likely to run or resist. Followed by hispanics, followed by whites, followed by Asians.

    So since I’ve only got a sample size of 2, this is hardly scientific. But I’d bet there is some causation here and not just correlation. In general, the more you resist and/or run, the more likely you are to get shot. It makes perfect sense. For better or for worse.

  23. avatar Cruzo1981 says:

    There are only 4 races. Caucoid, Negroid, Australoid and Asian. I wish for once in my effing life someone would write or talk about race and not say Hispanic, which is not a race. For God’s sake a little research goes a long way.

    1. avatar Cloudbuster says:

      There’s a reasonable case to be made that the indigenous peoples of the Americas are genetically different enough to be neither white, black or asian. ( and definitely not Australoid!). Native Americans and the Mestizo populations of Central and South America are much more indigenous than Hispanic, in the case of most of the lower class and criminal population, especially, but the terms Hispanic and Latino are the accepted terms, even if they don’t really apply.

      Most of those little, brown central and south American illegal aliens and immigrants share very little heritage with an actual Spaniard.

    2. avatar int19h says:

      If you mean “races” as in “population groups that have visually distinctive genotype and phenotype, with roughly equal distance between each other”, then there are several hundred of those. Most of them are in Africa. What this means is that two guys from Africa may well have more genetic difference between them, than either one has compared to a white guy from US.

      Coincidentally, that is also the only definition that is even remotely scientific. All others are “I’ll know it when I see it”. In particular, the usual White/Black/Asian/… classification is just that – it corresponds to how people in one particular culture think about races, not about the actual differences. And because in American culture, what matters most is whether you’re “properly white” or not, white is separate from Hispanic, even though it’s a purely cultural distinction.

  24. avatar Ranger Rick says:

    “St. Louis had the highest per capita rate of police shootings among the 50 departments we analyzed but provided scant details for shootings that happened after 2014.

    The Lou has historically been a very violent city, often ranked annually as the most violent city in the US I should know having grown up in the city. St. Louis City is also the source for 75% of MO Department of Correction’s prison population. That goes a long way in explaining why the St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department leads in police shootings statewide.

    1. avatar Red in CO says:

      Yeah, I got a kick out of that. One of the bloodiest, most gang ridden cities in the US somehow also has the most police shootings? That’s racist! SMH….

      1. And also one of the most corrupt.

      2. avatar Racism 101 says:

        So the documented reality of police disporportionately shooting unarmed black folks is NOT explained away by citing the fact that black folks disproportionately commit crimes (no matter how many times you rignorant dishonest racists repeat this bullsheet).

        Heres one of many peer reviewed studies indisputably documenting this reality (juxtapose this with yall GED racist liars repeating your evidence-free excuse):

        “There is no relationship between county-level racial bias in police shootings and crime rates (even race-specific crime rates), meaning that the racial bias observed in police shootings in this data set is not explainable as a response to local-level crime rates.”
        http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0141854

        The documented reality of police disproportionately shooting unarmed black folks remains no matter how many excuses yall dishonest ignorant racists concoct and repeat ad nauseam:

        “The results provide evidence of a significant bias in the killing of unarmed black Americans relative to unarmed white Americans…”
        http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0141854

        1. avatar Racism102 says:

          So, the actual documented reality of police being more likely to shoot white folks than black folks is what’s really NOT explained away by the fact that black folks disproportionately commit crimes (no matter how many times pig-ignorant and dishonest racists like you repeat this bullshit).

          Here’s one of many actual peer-reviewed studies indisputably documenting the actual reality (juxtapose this with you non-GED-having drop-out racist liars repeating your evidence-free excuses):

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/13/why-a-massive-new-study-on-police-shootings-of-whites-and-blacks-is-so-controversial/?utm_term=.f40fd61131f0

          The actual documented reality of police being more likely to shoot white folks than black folks remains no matter how many lies pig-ignorant and dishonest racists like you concoct and repeat them ad-nauseum:

          https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/26/black-suspects-more-likely-to-be-shot-by-black-cop/

          Black officers are more likely to shoot black suspects than white cops — and both white and black cops are still more likely to shoot white suspects than black suspects, regardless.

    2. avatar AnotherFarragoOfNonsenseFromFarago says:

      So Robert Farago Im perplexed as to why you tried to write an coherent article about statistics when you acknowledge that you are “math-challenged”.
      http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/12/robert-farago/cops-are-shooting-unarmed-black-suspects-and/#comment-3753711

      And your ignorance of math is so outlandish that you dont even understand that when comparing groups of different sizes ie blacks and whites it is of course not raw numbers but per capita rates that are the meaningful measure:

      “… Vice’s race card agenda forced them to adjust for population, rather than list the raw numbers …” (paragraph 6)
      http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/12/robert-farago/cops-are-shooting-unarmed-black-suspects-and/#comment-3753711

      School children understand the difference between raw numbers and per capita rates, how is it possible that an adult who presumes to critique an article (and to do so in a snarky condescending way) and aver authoritative conclusions is wholly ignorant of this simple concept!?

      You validate your readers ignorance as several commenters (including Ralph, Robert, John, Cloudbuster, Thinker1) cite and/or echo your ignorant remark, and only one Mark N corrects it

      1. avatar AnotherFarragoOfCorrectionsForALiberal says:

        We’re perplexed as to why you try (and ultimately fail as always) to write a coherent response about anything when you’ve been proven to be “factually challenged.”

        And your own willful pig ignorance of math is what’s actually so outlandish that you yourself don’t even understand the difference between rates of incidents versus total raw numbers.

        So, apparently, you don’t even rise to the level of a school child because you presume to critique an actually coherent response to more dog whistle race-baiting from the lamestream “news” media with literally nothing more than demonstrably unsubstantiated and unsupportable accusations of racism against those who merely disagree with you, and you do so in a snarky and condescending way yourself.

        You validate your own ignorance as a few commenters have rightly corrected you already, and you have found absolutely nothing whatsoever to correct anyone on.

  25. avatar Thinker1 says:

    They only compare percentages when it favors their desired narrative. Looking at raw numbers would allow statistical comparison, and just might lead to very different conclusions.

  26. avatar Cuteandfuzzybunnies says:

    When a cop shoots an unarmed person im more worried about was the shoot justified and or avoidable then the color of the person.

    Generally police should NOT be putting themselves in positions where they have to shoot an unarmed person. They should have enough guys there to use clubs and holds. And if they can’t take the guy with out a shooting they should follow at distance until backup comes along.

  27. avatar Jeremy says:

    Wow! Police executed this man and got away with it. Only a cold blooded murderer could sleep at night after doing such a thing to an innocent civilian. I hear hell is hot though.

  28. avatar TX_Lawyer says:

    I think it is time for us to address the rampant problem of Asian privilege.

  29. avatar Raven Lee says:

    Police shooting unarmed citizens should be a cause for concern.

    Just to clear things up…. Cops shoot everyone, regardless of color. However, they vastly shoot more unarmed Blacks then can be accounted for as a percentage of the population. IE… If Blacks make up 7% of the population of one of the major cities, let’s say Los Angeles, yet 48% of all police shootings of unarmed citizens in Los Angeles is Black, that is a DISCREPANCY to be investigated as to the cause.

    If Whites are 55% of the population of Los Angeles, but unarmed shootings of Whites by cops only account for 2% of the shootings, then when you compare the Black unarmed shootings and White unarmed shootings, the numbers don’t follow a logical pattern.

    You would assume logically that a higher population would result in higher unarmed shooting rates by cops, even without accounting for racial breakdowns of who commits crimes. If your population is 90% White, even in a safe city, you have a much higher chance of being a White victim of terrorism, accidents, deaths, disease, etc. simply because of the numbers. Oh, your herd of 1,000,000 gazelle had 450 deaths due to predation? Sad, but expected. But, what about the herd of 100,000 antelope right next to that herd of gazelle that had 600 deaths due to predation? Now you have a mystery to solve. What was the cause of this strange result?

    Getting back to humanity’s problems and specifically unarmed citizens shot by police.

    Is it Institutional Racism? Possibly. Is it badly trained police officers? Possibly. Is it the quality of officers picked from the candidates? Possibly. Is it a failure of leadership to acknowledge the issues, provide strong guidance and offer remedial training? Possibly. Could it be all of these or more issues working together? Possibly. The idea is to get all the reasons, target them individually, take corrective or remedial action after an after-action-report or assessment has been done, then exam the results a year later, 2 years later, 3 years later to see if the numbers improve. You could also target just 1 factor, exam the results, go to the next factor, exam results to try to identify the exact causes. However, this takes a lot of time, resources, effort and money and results may not be immediate and most police departments will want to eliminate the problem quicker.

    I don’t think people here are Racists. I have faith in humanity and what we can accomplish if we are together. I just think any crude remarks come from ignorance rather than racism.

    Don’t simply ignore the other sides, try to understand why they are saying what they are. Do they not have a grasp of basic mathematics, statistics, etc.? Are they just ignorant of issues with other races? Are they caught in a belief system that is pervasive where they grew up and hard to budge? Perhaps, they are just stubborn?

    Some food for thought.

    1. avatar Excedrine says:

      Excellently stated.

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