Why National Reciprocity Would Be the Biggest Boon to US Gun Rights in History

There are currently an estimated 15 million concealed carry permit holders in the United States. You wouldn’t think that the potential passage of national reciprocity, affecting less than 5% of Americans, would generate so much noisy opposition. But there’s one very good reason the forces of civilian disarmament are so violently opposed to the specter of those who are licensed to carry firearms freely moving from state to state. It would lead to a boom in gun ownership and challenge their iron-fisted grip on gun rights in anti-gun states.

It’s been a three decades long road to achieve the wide acceptance concealed carry has in so many states today.

The social stigma regarding carrying a firearm is dead or dying in all but the most hoplophobic areas of the country such as New York City, New Jersey, California, et. al. And even in those benighted states, it’s still possible to get a carry permit…allegedly. Concealed carry continues to win…just look at the recent DC Circuit ruling ruling making the District ‘shall issue’.

It’s easy to forget that the majority of the country was once just like New York City is today. Prior to 1987, when Florida revolutionized the way things were done by enacting shall issue, getting a concealed carry permit was harder than getting a NFA stamp for a machine gun, suppressor, SBR or AOW. Virtually the entire country was ‘may issue’ and unless you were connected due to wealth, family, or political friends, you were out of luck.

It took 30 long hard years to get where we are today. Remember that the last holdouts — Illinois and Wisconsin — only recently came into the shall-issue fold. Hell, Texas didn’t get CCW until 1995. Now Texas is an open carry state and on its way to constitutional carry. We now have thirteen constitutional carry states when just fifteen years ago, Vermont stood alone.

Take a deep breath and look at the long game here.

The reason national reciprocity will be so beneficial is that it will put more guns in folks’ hands. Not everyone hunts or target shoots or collects. But a lot of them want the ability to protect themselves during their daily lives when they aren’t home.

Eventually some of those folks once introduced to gun ownership and concealed carry, will branch out. They may want to get try shooting rifles or shotguns, target shoot, collect, etc. A number of them will wish they could shoot with less noise to protect their own hearning and disturb their neighbors less. The push for suppressor deregulation will continue apace.

That is exactly how I have gotten a number of folks into gun ownership myself.

Concealed carry is a gateway drug. Once people get a taste of gun ownership and freedom, they tend to want more. Many of those I’ve introduced to firearms, who carry daily, also now own SBRs and suppressors. The creeping freedom of national reciprocity will gradually erode and destroy the few, ossified may issue areas that still exist. How long with New Yorkers tolerate being denied rights that their friends from Florida freely exercise when visiting the city?

What about Hawaii, which hasn’t issued a single concealed carry permit since 2001? They won’t accept not being able to defend themselves when millions of their fellow Americans can freely do so.

A member on AR15.com by the screen name felrom echoed this.

This national reciprocity bill does a number of major important things.

  1. It gives all Americans with concealed carry permits the right to carry a firearm nationwide. If you want to do a cross country RV trip or drive from Maine to Florida you’ll be able to do that without worry.
  2. It allows those Americans living in restrictive states a way around the may issue/no issue problem. They’ll be able to obtain a non-resident permit from a states such as Utah or Florida to carry in their home states like Maryland or Hawaii.
  3. It gives Americans who have their rights violated a legal defense in federal court to go after their violators. So if I’m arrested in New York City for carrying a firearm under my Florida license, I can take them to court and sue them.
  4. It would invalidate restrictive states’ magazine/ammunition bans. The bills states that the carrying of standard capacity magazines and modern JHP ammunition is legal. You’ll be able to carry a GLOCK 17 in New Jersey with the 17rd mag fully loaded with Federal Hydra-Shok ammo.
  5. It ends many federal gun-free zones like the current Army Corps of Engineers ban of guns on their managed lands.
  6. It pushes the Second Amendment in the right direction by forcing non-Constitution compliant states and their political subdivisions to respect the civil rights of all Americans, putting more teeth in Firearms Owners Protection Act.

Some are are having second thoughts due to the addition of the Fix NICS bump fire stock language to the reciprocity bill. All Fix NICS does is direct government agencies to actually follow the law, reporting those who should be prohibited to the background check system. As for bump fire stocks, bill simply directs the government to review and study whether bump fire stocks are used in crimes and other than the Las Vegas shooting. We know the answer to that. There hasn’t been any other crime committed with them.

The national reciprocity bill currently being considered by the Senate doesn’t create a federal permit system, nor does it grant the federal government the right to regulate the states’ concealed carry permits. It simply mandates that New York recognize Florida’s permit and that vice versa. Just like a driver’s license.

Passage of national reciprocity would be the single biggest victory for gun rights in the United States in recent memory. If it does manage to get the sixty votes necessary for passage in the Senate and is signed into law it will be the biggest defeat for for the civilian disarmament and pro-gun control forces ever. And that’s why it deserves gun owners’ support.

comments

  1. avatar former water walker says:

    Ummm…OK. Freedom is a helluva gateway drug. Honestly been at the gun thing for only 7 years. It’s changed radically in Illinois since then. Let’s keep it up!

  2. avatar Indy Jones says:

    fairly certain point #4 was stricken from the final document…

    1. avatar Eric in Oregon says:

      I had thought so too but I think this is the relevant section, still shown as in the house bill:

      “(2) The term ‘handgun’ includes any magazine for use in a handgun and any ammunition loaded into the handgun or its magazine.”

      https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38/text?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22concealed+carry+reciprocity+act%22%5D%7D

      1. avatar Red in CO says:

        I’m surprised; I didn’t realize that. However, what about registration? As far as I know, most if not all of the slave states require registration of handguns. So even if they can’t charge you with carrying “illegal” ammo or magazines, couldn’t they still charge you with “possession of an unregistered firearm” or whatever?

        1. avatar Geoff PR says:

          That is where the *extensive* legal battles will be.

          It’s really going to depend on having a SCOTUS politically reliable enough to slap a bunch of bullshit laws down…

        2. avatar RetMSgt in Pa. says:

          Sure they can, if you’re a resident of that particular state. Does a Connecticut resident have to also register his/her automobile in New York if they occasionally drive there?

        3. avatar Jim Macklin says:

          No, every state law is blocked if you have a state issued carry license or are a resident of and have valid picture ID from a Constitutional carry state
          Inn part

          Quote
          Ҥ 926D. Reciprocity for the carrying of certain concealed firearms

          “(a) Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision thereof (except as provided in subsection (b)) and subject only to the requirements of this section, a person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, who is carrying a valid identification document containing a photograph of the person, and who is carrying a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of a State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm or is entitled to carry a concealed firearm in the State in which the person resides, may possess or carry a concealed handgun (other than a machinegun or destructive device) that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, in any State that—

          “(1) has a statute under which residents of the State may apply for a license or permit to carry a concealed firearm; or

          “(2) does not prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms by residents of the State for lawful purposes.

          “(b) This section shall not be construed to supersede or limit the laws of any State that—

          “(1) permit private persons or entities to prohibit or restrict the possession of concealed firearms on their property; or

          “(2) prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms on any State or local government property, installation, building, base, or park.

          “(c) (1) A person who carries or possesses a concealed handgun in accordance with subsections (a) and (b) may not be arrested or otherwise detained for violation of any [ ANY ] law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof related to the possession, transportation, or carrying of firearms unless there is probable cause to believe that the person is doing so in a manner not provided for by this section. Presentation of facially valid documents as specified in subsection (a) is prima facie evidence that the individual has a license or permit as required by this section.

          “(2) When a person asserts this section as a defense in a criminal proceeding, the prosecution shall bear the burden of proving, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the conduct of the person did not satisfy the conditions set forth in subsections (a) and (b).

          “(3) When a person successfully asserts this section as a defense in a criminal proceeding, the court shall award the prevailing defendant a reasonable attorney’s fee.

          “(d) (1) A person who is deprived of any right, privilege, or immunity secured by this section, under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage of any State or any political subdivision thereof, may bring an action in any appropriate court against any other person, including a State or political subdivision thereof, who causes the person to be subject to the deprivation, for damages or other appropriate relief.

          “(2) The court shall award a plaintiff prevailing in an action brought under paragraph (1) damages and such other relief as the court deems appropriate, including a reasonable attorney’s fee

      2. avatar Matt says:

        Curious if anyone can expand further on point 4. Currently as a CT resident I cannot carry more than 10rds in a magazine and possibly no high capacity magazine outside of the gun even loaded to 10rds. If I interpret this correctly it either protects only out of staters or it protects everyone.

        1. avatar Jim Macklin says:

          If you live in CA ot CT or NY you may be stuck for a while with a 10 round magazine but the residents of free states won’t have to buy a new $1,000 worth of gun and magazine to travel.
          When the residents of CA, CT or NY discover their state is treating them as criminals for no good reason they will get angry and vote in new legislators who will repeal the bad laws and pass good laws.
          The only state in need to visit is Illinois, where I grew up and lived a quarter century. But I can’t even apply for the non-resident carry license because of the way the state interprets “similar” not for reciprocity but just to apply for a $300 license.

  3. avatar Mike Crognale says:

    I still contend that McCain, Collins, and Murkowski will vote against it in the senate and it will die there. I hope that I am wrong

    1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      I concur that McCain, Collins, and Murkowski will vote against it.

      And if not those three Republican Senators, then three other Republican Senators.

      Not to mention the fact that there is no way that eight Democrat Senators will vote for it. Remember, there is no up side for Democrat Senators to vote for recognizing/expanding our right to keep and bear arms.

      1. avatar Indy Jones says:

        i don’t agree. in fact i count at least 12 dem senators up for reelection in states with strong cc support that would vote for it. if not, they’d have to answer why they voted to turn their own constituents into criminals when they travel…

        1. avatar MICHAEL A CROGNALE says:

          You and i have had this conversation once before. As I said, I sincerely hope that I am wrong, but I’m not. And here’s why. Elected Democrats at all levels are REQUIRED to rigidly adhere to the party’s agenda. There is no wiggle room for anything even resembling a conscience or to save their seats. If they fail to vote according to the party’s instructions there is no support for their campaigns. I’ve seen this too many times.

        2. avatar Rusty Chains says:

          The Democrat Party is much like the Politburo of the old USSR, sometimes they would let party members have some room and sometimes they would disappear members who had become a bit too out spoken. It remains to be seen just how much leeway they have on this issue. Also remember the fights in the party can unseat the old dinosaurs and the Democrat Party is as full of ossified old dinos as the Politburo was.

      2. avatar Red in CO says:

        Incorrect. I personally think this will die in the Senate (too many RINO traitors; for how many years have they been promising the repeal of Obamacare?), and I don’t expect more than a handful of Democrats to vote for it. But, with the FixNiCS (or whatever it’s called) portion of it, they at least have a tiny sliver of something where they can claim they’re getting what they want.

        1. avatar Indy Jones says:

          i mean it will only be incorrect if/when it happens. until then it’s just opinion. neither right nor wrong. we shall see

      3. avatar Saint Peter says:

        Astonishingly, Senator McCain is one of 39 cosponsors of the bill.

        1. avatar Hank says:

          That’s truly shocking. I figured he’d be headlong into introducing his own AWB. Maybe it stands a chance.

    2. avatar Ansel Hazen says:

      Up here in Maine we defeated Bloomberg and his background check bill. It will be political suicide for Collins to vote against it. She will hold her nose, but she knows it could sink her.

  4. avatar Hank says:

    Points number 2 and 4 are extremely important other than the reciprocity itself. Those two are some real change we can believe in.

  5. avatar uncommon_sense says:

    3. It gives Americans who have their rights violated a legal defense in federal court to go after their violators. So if I’m arrested in New York City for carrying a firearm under my Florida license, I can take them to court and sue them.

    Sure, if you have something like $150,000 to $300,000 to pi$$ away in attorney’s fees and court costs fighting all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court. Because I guarantee you that San Francisco or New York City (with financial and manpower support from their respective states) WILL fight all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court.

    I haven’t decided which is worse:
    (1) Government routinely infringing on our rights.
    — or —
    (2) Our courts only working for mega-wealthy parties.

    1. avatar Red in CO says:

      Not to mention the way they drag this shit out for years or even decades. There was an excellent saying in one of the satirical radio stations in an old video game I used to play a lot of: “Justice is a game. Just like the game of chicken. You’ve gotta go full steam ahead, and hope the other person runs out of energy or money first.” Very true, and when you’re talking about one person vs a major American city that can always get more money by either extorting its citizens or kissing the ass of the feds, well, you’re not gonna win. Not if you’re a normal person

    2. avatar David says:

      Possibly. But the bad press will get the offending jurisdiction to let it slide for the most part I would think. Similarly, to the PA mother who got cited for CC in NJ. And, no I don’t volunteer to be the test case!

    3. avatar Mark N. says:

      Nonsense. Many civil rights lawyers take these cases on contingency, because the laws have an attorney’s fees provision. There have been any number of cases where the attorney’s fees awarded by the court vastly exceed the award to the plaintiff. I remember one in San Francisco, where Plaintiff had offered to settle for $50,000. The City refused, apparently believing that the case wasn’t worth that much, but also apparently not taking into account the attoorney’s fees. The jury awarded $50,000 to the plaintiff–and $250,000 to the attorneys.

      Which means that if you have a good case, it costs you nothing and it doesn’t matter how long it takes.

  6. avatar dwb says:

    The only real benefit is #2, and the Senate version does not have it. The Senate version won’t get 60 votes (unless they tack on some fix NICS and bump stock stuff ban).

    The best way to get national carry is getting the Supreme Court takes up a right to carry case. That’ll require one or two more appointments.

    IF the Republicans keep the Senate (a big IF), and McCaskill gets defeated, there may actually be a chance in 2019.

    Keep in mind, we have McCaskill because of Todd Akin. Given the state of the race in Alabama, it does not seem like lessons have been learned.

  7. avatar ironicatbest says:

    all Americans are ARMED TO THE TEETH , blood thirsty savages, itching to behead anyone messing with us. That’s the picture Allah Kaml Fukah needs to see . Not this pussy California fagot shit. …

  8. avatar ironicatbest says:

    Shall not be infringed.

  9. avatar Helms Deep says:

    Fix NICS , is much more than just some ‘ bump stock ‘ language. — There is a REASON why all the anti-gunners are co-sponsoring this Database Expansion …. they want to keep casting a wider and wider NET !! …. Like Veterans , SSI Recipiants the list keeps Growing.
    S – 2135 without being seperated from reciprocity ( HR – 38 ) is a Poison Pill.
    It will STRIP RIGHTS for an unpaid Traffic Ticket — No Matter What NRA Fudds say !

    I encourage all to read Gun Owners of Americas take and think about the Democrats Long Game.

    https://gunowners.org/alert12112017.htm

    1. avatar JSF001 says:

      They are wrong about this one as it does nothing that can’t already be done based on current laws. In fact it even has some actual pro gun features built in making it so things are actually better for gun owners even if the bill was by itself.

  10. avatar oliver says:

    Three words I never thought I would be saying early in 2016: President Trump and Covfefe. Anything is possible. Its a magical time we live in.

    1. avatar How_Terrible says:

      Don’t forget: The Chicago Cubs: 2016 World Series Champions.

  11. avatar How_Terrible says:

    Guns truly are addictive as hell. I bought my first one, a S&W M&P 9c, this spring. After going shooting a few times with it at the range that is 2 minutes driving time from my home I decided I wanted another. That was right around the time that Tim from the Military Arms channel was getting all of the gun YouTubers to help him sell the California Highway Patrol S&W 4006TSW’s that his store bought, so around June or July I purchased one of them from Copper Custom. It is currently my favorite by the way. Then in late August I purchased my first rifle in the form of a lightly used Ruger AR-556 that I picked up from a gun store about a hour from where I live. Then in November I purchased a somewhat well used S&W 3913 from my preferred gun store since the 4006TSW had taught me to love the old all metal S&W DA/SA guns. If I have enough money after I get done buying X-mas gifts for various family members I will probably be buying one of the old Yugo SKS’s that Classic Firearms is selling right now. After that I want to get either a Ruger GP100 or S&W Model 586 for my first revolver, but that will have to wait a bit since I just recently found out that I will be out of a job after the end of January. In addition to the guns I have bought over 2,000 rounds of ammo this year and shot through most of it.

    1. avatar AKM Sarah says:

      Indeed they are very addictive, and expensive. Reminds of the episode of the Simpsons where Bleeding Gums Murphy describes his expensive addiction to collecting fabrege eggs.

    2. avatar GapharmD says:

      Yep. After I started my career and could afford to blow money on leisure items I found myself wanting the exact setup I saw in a picture of a tavor with suppressor. No one else in my circle owned Ar’s or suppresors. collecting started there and now I’m over 100k in and I wish I could say I see and end in sight…. but well worth it as all my hunting and social friends all have multiple Ar’s and many also own or are getting into owning suppressors. Growing our cause and increasing or suppprort!

    3. avatar ironicatbest says:

      Out of a job sux, just when you bought all that stuff. MERRY CHRISTMAS.

  12. avatar Joe R. says:

    Is it just me or does it all sound great?

    Scary scary part is it still all sounds too good. Like smacked in the face with a boat oar good.

    Most us want, and we all need it to be true. Don’t ‘sell’ me (us) on it, if it was no sweat, you wouldn’t have to sell it. If most [many?] have voicced objections to the

    strangely

    KY-greasily-included fix NICS, don’t bother with the merits of it, it sounds like you’re selling swinging boat oars.

  13. avatar Wanderingninja says:

    Criminals exercise their 2nd Amendment rights with great zeal while the liberals expect the rest of us to wait in line with capacity restrictions and limits on our movements. Schools are like fish in a barrel. Our forefathers are looking down and wondering when we lost our way. And those Cherokees died for nothing on the Trail of Tears. How can they disarm us after Lenin and Hitler? Because we too soon forget. National reciprocity is already a God given right, not a privilege granted by suits and ties

  14. avatar little horn says:

    i love watching Arkansas turn green. i was so excited when that happened and the AG (or something of that nature) said she agreed it was open carry, unrestricted.

  15. avatar Tim says:

    National Conceal Carry what a great idea…but Luis Valdes and the majority have failed to ask the most important question: “Does the general government have the authority to enact such a law?” The answer of course is a big fat NO. Our federal Constitution doesn’t delegate to the federal government any power over the Country at Large to restrict our arms. Accordingly, all pretended federal laws, regulations, orders, opinions, or treaties which purport to do so are unconstitutional as outside the scope of powers delegated. They are also unconstitutional as in violation of the Second Amendment.

    Before any of you “stroke out” screaming at your computer that CCW is not an infringement, stop to consider what your Conceal Carry Permit represents. A Conceal Carry Permit is nothing more than a Certificate of permission from Government to exercise a right you already possessed. Is that not the very definition of infringe or restrict, asking permission. In addition you most likely had to be proven innocent via background check as well, another restriction.

    Yeah let’s do this on a National scale and add another Unconstitutional gun law on the books. This isn’t even a States Rights issue nor Full Faith and Credit. So what good could come of looking to your “Overlords” in D.C. to force every state to accept the Unconstitutional laws of another. Boon for Gun Right, seriously? Think again.

    1. avatar Helms Deep says:

      NAILED IT. — I can’t understand why Marbury vs. Madison is not Held Up Every Day as Shield against abusive and illegal ‘ color of Law ‘ laws and regulations.

      ” All laws Repugnant to the Constitution are Null & Void , as if they had never been passed “

      1. avatar JD says:

        Been saying this forever. Asking permission and paying a tax to exercise a right goes against everything I believe in. It’s nothing more than a poll tax. Hell we can’t even require an ID to vote but people believe they need permission to bear arms. It’s the epitome of stupidly.

  16. avatar Owen says:

    So if number 2 comes to pass, does that mean you have the option of shopping for the cheapest/easiest non-resident permit and getting that instead of your home state? I’m down with that market based feature!

  17. avatar Weredragon says:

    I don’t see anything in the bill that will let those of us trapped behind enemy lines carry on an out of state, Non-Residents permit. Says we must have permit for the state in which we reside.

    1. avatar Owen says:

      I think it is from the part that says “from a state” not “from their state”. Implying that it is just a state permit not your home state’s permit.

      “a person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, who is carrying a valid identification document containing a photograph of the person, and who is carrying a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of ==> a State <== and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm or is entitled to carry a concealed firearm in the State in which the person resides, may possess or carry a concealed handgun"

  18. avatar NoName says:

    The only reason I maintain residency in Californiastan is so I can legally carry. I have permits from other states so enjoy some amount of freedom when out of California. If this becomes law, my legal residence will be in Nevada and I will still get to carry in CA

  19. avatar cisco kid says:

    Its all a moot point because freedom to carry means exactly “zero” if you have no gun to carry or ammo and the recent Supreme Court Case that refused to rule on the lower Court ban on Assault rifles simply trashed both the Scalia ruling that the people had the right to bear arms and of course completely trashes the Second Amendment as well. Now if certain states ban ammo sales and the right to own any handgun then reciprocity is a cruel joke. All this is now completely legal for the States to do whenever they chose and California is in the process of melting down all the assault rifles and of course once that is in progress the next ban and confiscation on all semi-auto pistols is sure to follow. California has always been the leader on “things to come” from gay rights, to anti-pollution laws, to banning all methods of carry for protection and now the ban on assault rifles. East Coast States will be quick to follow the banning of all modern weapons as well.

    The U.S. now has the greatest income disparity of all the industrialized Nations of the World and History has shown that society soon disintegrates because of such inequality in wealth dating from the fall of the Roman Empire which actually had less income disparity so the U.S. has already outlived itself and in order to control the people the government knows damn well they are going to have to disarm the people, its just that simple.

    The Second Amendment was deliberately written in the vaguest of terms because
    “The Original Swamp Rats” the greed monger Founding Fathers knew they would some day need to disarm the people to keep control of them. They feared democracy so rejected the civilized democratic Parliamentary System so they could keep power for themselves which today manifests itself in a country run by and controlled by the greed monger rich who live amongst the clouds in the city of Stratus while the troglodyte worker drones are only one pay check away from starvation and sleeping under bridges. In Capitalviania U.S.A. the troglodyte worker is expendable as no such civilized programs are provided to care for them. Even when the Communists were in power in Russia they had the civilized decency to provide an apartment, food and a job to everyone. When the big economic crash of the 1980″ came Russia paraded around an American Homeless Man to tell the Russian people what “living in America was really like” and in that instance they were telling the truth to the Russian People. Many Russian immigrants who came to the U.S. in the 1970’s and rejected Capitalism and returned to Russia also verified to their fellow citizens what a hell hole America really was to live in when one lost his job as there were no civilized safety nets, you were on your own to freeze to death under a bridge, homeless and starving to death. Its interesting to note 50 per cent returned to Russia and by the way this percentage was also true of European immigrants who came to America in the 1900’s. They went back, something not taught to the American people in their history books.

    With the new Supreme Court ruling giving the States the right to disarm the people they will soon be taking full advantage of this right of absolute power over the troglodyte worker drones, most of which now earn less than $30,000 a year for an entire family. With inadequate health care that bankrupts them, unaffordable higher education for their children, retirement being impossible because of inadequate Social Security Payments and retirement benefits a thing of the past, drugs that are now so expensive most people simply die because they cannot afford them and even the price of auto’s so expensive that the average worker can no longer afford to purchase them, all point to a meltdown of the fabric of society while the Rich like in Rome and later in France in the late 1700’s think that their tax free and depraved greed monger life style will go on indefinitely.

    Yes the next big wave of downtrodden, hopeless refugees will be Americans fleeing to Canada and Europe which still have civilized countries that have human rights and social programs that guarantee a civilized way of living. Something that is now a thing of the past in the U.S.A. of Capitalvania where only the filthy rich have the right to food, housing, medical care and education.

    Its almost a laugh that the only wall that will really get built is one to keep Americans from fleeing America so that the greed monger rich will have enough worker slaves to keep them living their depraved life styles.

    1. avatar Ing says:

      You really need to do more research on the Soviet Union instead of listening to the progressives. The Communist “safety net” was equal misery for all — except the politburo, who lived like kings, and the malcontents, who wound up in the gulags. Even if you were right about their paradisiacal economic conditions, consider that they only got there by having the government kill 46 million-plus of its own citizens. Do you really think that was worth it?

      And about that “right” to food, housing, medical care and education… You have a right — to obtain them for yourself. You do not have a right to have them provided for you. Think about it…how are all these “society owes me” rights funded? By threat of force. (If you doubt that, just try opting out of paying taxes sometime and see what happens to you.) No one has the right to force someone else to provide for them; that way lies slavery.

      I’d say that society has an obligation to help those who can’t help themselves, especially in times of prosperity. There’s no reason why anyone in America should ever go without food, shelter, or medical care when they really need it — but that’s a need society could and should fulfill through voluntary cooperation, not by forcibly having their income pillaged by the government.

    2. avatar Scoutino says:

      “…Supreme Court Case that refused to rule on the lower Court ban on Assault rifles simply trashed both the Scalia ruling that the people had the right to bear arms and of course completely trashes the Second Amendment as well.”
      You wish. But that’s not the way it works. SC refusing to hear a case leaves the lower courts decision intact and binding for the circuit. It doesn’t create a federal precedens like actual ruling would. Yet another lie from you!

      And don’t get me started about commies.

      The oh-so-civilized Soviets did have their social programs. They also had empty shelfs in food stores and years long waiting lists for their shitty cars. Permanent shortages of everything and anything at one point or another. Like windshield wipers, toilet tissue or feminine hygiene products shortage. (Not to mention meat. Always in short supply.)Well there is always newspapers, right? Come to think if it there was NEVER shortage of propaganda.

      There were no homeless people. Why?
      If you didn’t feel like working, “Too bad tovarisch, everybody works. We will tell you where, when and for how much.” Those who got caught by police during papers checks with no valid employment stamp in their ID went straight to prison as leeches on working class. There everybody was forced to work.

      Everything not mandatory is forbidden. Talking shit about comunists will get you in prison, where you will be digging for uranium ore. If you are lucky you will be a little radioactive, but may still live when your hard time is over.

      You own foreign money? That’s illegal, you must sell it to the bank. Yes, the State Bank, that’s the only bank there is. For about 20% of what your dollars are actually worth. Or go to prison. If caught buying or selling currency privately, prison.

      Democracy was everywhere. Voting on endless mandatory meetings and even in elections always ended 100% to 0 for whatever was prescribed by Central Committee of The Party. Or else.

      You want to leave the country for some weird reason? Vacation? Not without propper vetting. Let’s check your history, family, friends, correspondence, contacts in the West etc. shall we? Oh, it looks like you may sympathize with the rotten imperialist way of life. Sorry, comrade, no passport for you! And those trying to run away over the wires get shot without warning. The whole Iron Curtain was Trump’s wall on steroids. Basically several miles deep POW-like zone full of barbed wire fences with military patrols with dogs and machine guns between them.

      How do I know? I remember it. I have seen it all with my own eyes. I grew up in socialism where everybody was always looking over their shoulders, watching carefully what they say and to whom. The State Police had ears everywhere.

      Yes, there wasn’t inequality. Everybody was equally miserable.

      That’s why I love America and American liberty so much. And it’s why I hate lying commie tyrant wannabes like you with vengeance. Why I am not shocked when Pwrserge proposes helicopter rides for you guys. Your kind makes me sick.

      You, cisco, should pray every day for being wrong about coming violent upturn in US. There is a lot of patriots who are ready and armed. The tree of freedom is thirsty.

      Sorry about another novel. This just hit too close and brought some memories.

  20. avatar Mack Elder says:

    Cisco Kid is sorely uninformed if he thinks despotic Europe and tyrannical Canada will not put him behind bars for trying to exercise his Creator-given right to self-protection and life itself by carrying a firearm – – – ”A RIGHT NO HUMAN CAN TAKE AWAY OR GIVE TO ANOTHER” ! ! ! All living creatures (including some plants) have involuntary reflexes built in to protect their well-being/survival ! ! ! Hell, even germs take action (mutate) when under attack from anti-biotics . . .

  21. avatar Alan says:

    Cutting to the chase, there is absolutely no valid reason for the Concealed Carry Licenses or Permits issued by one state to not be valid in any other state. End of story. Drivers Licenses are valid and accepted without question.By the way, how many people are killed and or injured in automobile mishaps year in and year out?

    Let’s get the needed legislation enacted without delay, and without amendments such as being offered. The Congress, House and Senate, needs to cut the crap and legislate on this matter enacting reciprocity now.

  22. avatar Wendell Phillips says:

    I read the Bill as valid if and only if you have a permit from your state of residence. ( … and who is carrying a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of a State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm or is entitled to carry a concealed firearm in the State in which the person resides. [ from text of H.R. 38] ). As a Maryland resident I cannot get a permit because self defense is not considered a “good and substantial” reason for a permit. The (so called) Free State has no recognition or reciprocity with any other state. I do possess non-resident permits from Florida and Utah. Can legally carry in 30 other states but cannot, legally, protect my family or myself at home.

  23. avatar Alan says:

    As the French are won’t to offer, You might be screwed, that being simply my offhand guess, and recognizing that I’m quite far removed from being expert in the law.

  24. avatar Alan says:

    The above is in response to comment from Wendell Phillips.

  25. avatar William E Walker says:

    What about the Feinstein amendments. Don’t they require additional restrictions and background checks? To get reciprocity may be at too great a cost.

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