TTAG Morning Digest: The CMP’s 1911 Plan, Bagging Bears in NJ and Another National Reciprocity Freak-Out

The CMP has announced its plan for selling all those surplus 1911 pistols

courtesy businessinsider.com

Want a CMP 1911? . . . Here’s the plan for the sale of the Army’s surplus M1911 pistols

In light of the extreme interest in the Army surplus .45 ACP M1911 pistols authorized for public sale as part of the 2018 National Defense Authorization Act, the Civilian Marksmanship Program’s board of directors has spent the last few weeks examining how to reconcile the organization’s existing rules for firearms sales with the “limited number and the exceedingly high demand” of handguns up for grabs.

While the CMP’s existing rules provide an essential guide to restrictions and requirements of every sale, details of the M1911s remained scarce — until now. On Dec. 4, the CMP sent an update on the board’s “preliminary decisions” regarding 1911 sales to its mailing list.

Here are the important details.

Does this constitute brandishing in Milwaukee? (courtesy jsonline.com and Facebook.com)

Social media outrage . . . Facebook photo of workers brandishing guns at Milwaukee city work site draws protest

A photo showing three white, city-hired subcontractors brandishing guns while on a work site near N. 19th and W. Meinecke Ave. was shared on Facebook Monday.

The photo, which was shared and commented on hundreds of times on Facebook, showed two of the workers had holstered weapons on their belts, while a third had a gun in his hand. The photo angered people in the African-American community and three Milwaukee aldermen issued a news release Monday, calling the photo “appalling.”

Common Council President Ashanti Hamilton and Alds. Russell Stamper II and Milele Coggs said they were shocked and angered by the image.

“Behavior as dangerous and disrespectful as this is appalling and has no place in any neighborhood and by any city contractor, subcontractor or representative,” Stamper said.

Officer Ronald Tarantino was murdered with a stolen gun.

Murdered by a “career criminal” who should have been in jail . . . Missing Pieces: Family of Officer Killed by Stolen Gun Speaks

When Auburn, Massachusetts, police officer Ron Tarentino was murdered last year, it was a chilling reminder of how many stolen or lost guns are on the street in the hands of criminals.

Tarentino was gunned down on Sunday morning, May 22, 2016, killed with a stolen gun in the possession of career criminal.

NBC Boston Investigator Karen Hensel teamed up with NBC stations to trace thousands of stolen guns across the country, collectively analyzing more than 842,000 records of stolen or lost firearms. It is the first tracing of its kind to determine where the guns come from and where they end up.

JP Enterprises Announce .224 Valkyrie Supermatch Barrels

JP Enterprises is proud to announce pricing and shipping details for their adoption of Federal’s new long-range cartridge, the .224 Valkyrie. In addition to their EnhancedBolt assembly for 6.8 SPC II / .224 Valkyrie, JP will be releasing three new Supermatch barrel contours to support this new caliber:

20” 1:7 light-weight contour
20” 1:7 medium-weight contour
22” 1:7 medium-weight contour

JP is confident that this variety will provide options for hunters and long-range competition shooters excited about the .224 Valkyrie. All three contours feature an XL gas port position for better dwell time and reduction of pressure issues.

Some savage muzzle loaders have gone boom (courtesy apnews.com)

Yikes . . . Gun maker’s exploding rifle leaves trail of injured hunters

Lawyers for the company, Westfield, Massachusetts-based Savage Arms, were expected to appear Wednesday in federal court in Iowa to defend against a lawsuit filed by Hansen. He is seeking damages for his injuries, alleging the company failed to warn customers about the defect.

It’s one of several lawsuits that have claimed the company recklessly kept the muzzleloaders on the market even as they kept occasionally mangling hands, damaging hearing and burning faces. At least three have been settled on a confidential basis since last year.

Martin Crimp, a Michigan State University metals expert who examined a 10ML-II that exploded and caused a hunter to lose multiple fingers in 2009, told the AP the barrel of that gun was “metallurgically defective.”

 

The Adaptive Tactical stock for Ruger 10/22 Takedown rifles

Adaptive Tactical Introduces Complete Line of Stocks and Barrels for Ruger® 10/22® Autoloading Rifles

Adaptive Tactical, LLC, manufacturer of innovative firearm stocks and accessories, is proud to announce it now has a complete line of stocks and barrels for Ruger® 10/22 autoloading rifles. Adaptive Tactical previously manufactured several items for the Ruger 10/22® rifles that were marketed and sold under the Lyman® Products brand. Adaptive Tactical will now be the sole provider of these products and is pleased to reintroduce them to the industry. These products include the TacTRED™ Monopod, the Tac-Hammer RM4 Takedown® Rifle Stock and the Tac-Hammer RM4 Ruger 10/22 Rifle Stock.

“We are very excited to bring the TacTRED Monopod and Tac-Hammer RM4 Takedown and Ruger 10/22 Rifle Stocks under the Adaptive brand. With these ‘new’ products and our existing line of Tac-Hammer products, we now have a complete line of stocks and barrels to serve every Ruger 10/22 rifle owners needs,” commented Gary Cauble, director of sales and marketing for Adaptive Tactical.

Look out, Yogi! . . . 68 bears killed on December shotgun season’s first day

On one side of the road, protesters believed this week might be the last black bear hunt in New Jersey.

Across the street, bear hunters brought in their kill to be checked by state and university biologists, and officials talked about science, data and the need to control the black bear population.

By the time the mandatory check stations closed for the evening Monday, a total of 68 bears had been brought in to have samples taken and data collected from the hunters, according to the state Department of Environmental Protection.

In the October archery/muzzleloader-only segment of the 2017 hunt, 26 bears were checked on the first day. In 2016, the October segment saw 206 bears killed on the first day; 27 were taken on the first day of the December segment. In 2015, when there was just a December shotgun season, 216 bears were harvested on the first day of the hunt.

National reciprocity would be the greatest threat to public safety in the history of the world ever! (courtesy fortune.com)

Let’s hope so . . . Congress Is About to Let People Carry Guns Anywhere in the U.S.

It is ironic that during a period in which gun deaths have been increasing and mass shootings are claiming an unprecedented number of victims, our first national law in many years would prioritize the rights of gun owners rather than enhance public safety. It is also a paradox that we would have a national law that, rather than setting a high national standard for individuals who carry lethal weapons, would instead preserve a system of disparate state laws in which the lowest standard would be imposed on all states. The NRA and Republicans also violate conservative doctrine by undermining the right of states to protect their residents through the imposition of rigorous requirements on gun permit applicants.

Shooting a 50 Cal Air Shotgun with Crossbow Bolts

comments

  1. avatar MamaLiberty says:

    On and on… asking the wrong question and arguing from an illogical and foolish premise.

    It is simply not possible to prevent crime/violence by attempting to stop people from getting or buying tools. Even if guns were the ONLY tools they wanted or needed. Actually, each human being is born with at least three deadly weapons… two hands and a brain. Quality may vary, of course. The potential for violence has little or nothing to do with what tools the violent person possesses.

    The invalid and foolish premise is the idea that people have some “right” to complete safety – from “guns” in this case. Never mind that complete safety in this world is actually pretty rare. It’s a very dangerous place for a great many reasons, and the almost universal desire of human beings to indulge in risky behavior is not any secret. Otherwise, why such carnage on the roads and highways? Why climb mountains or surf at Malibu? Why drink and take pills until the body craps out and dies?

    Oh, that’s not the same thing! Eh? Why not?

    Do cars/highways, mountains or surfboards _force_ people to engage in risky behavior? Do drugs and alcohol attack and overwhelm those unlucky enough to be exposed to their mere presence? Are people confronted by muggers and thugs with bare hands “safer” than those accosted with guns? Would preventing the thugs from obtaining guns make them nice, productive people?

    Of course not. Guns don’t kill people at all, but they may be used, along with a great many other things, to kill and injure people, if that’s what the owners want to do. And if the mere presence of a gun CAUSED people to want to do harm, I’m afraid there would be nobody left alive by now.

    I was nearly killed by someone using their bare hands. I would have been dead if I hadn’t had – and fired – my gun. The only relative safety people can expect depends on intelligent choices and the ability to effectively defend oneself.

    Safety, as with intelligence and most other such things, can’t be legislated. Think about it.

    1. avatar BLAMMO says:


      Actually, each human being is born with at least three deadly weapons… two hands and a brain.

      Those are our natural defenses. We have no claws, quills, stingers, hard shell, poison or teeth that are useful for defense. We walk on two feet, so we can’t flee from anything bigger than us and we can’t catch anything smaller. We are just pathetic pink bags of meat.

      But big brains and manual dexterity facilitate the creation and use of tools. And there is no tool more essential for survival than a weapon. That’s why humans have been making and using weapons for at least 2 million years. If we hadn’t, we’d be extinct. Every living organism on the planet has natural defense mechanisms. Even plants and bacteria. Weapons are ours.

      To be human is to be armed.

      1. avatar H says:

        That’s just so racist! :):):)
        Who’s pink?
        :):):):)

        …..and point well said.

      2. avatar Snatchums says:

        “We have no……teeth that are useful for defense.”

        I’m calling shenanigans on that one. Having been bit by an ex that was in the process of assaulting me and having to chop her in the throat to get her off, that is not a true statement.

  2. avatar A Brit in TX says:

    re the Milwaukee story, do we know the context behind the story? Quickly looking at the Milwaukee news, it’s a litany of murder and drug dealing. I would posit that the construction crew were assigned to work in a dangerous area of town and quite logically decided to go armed. I personally would keep my firearm holstered unless imminently needed but perhaps the group posed that photo for some sort of private Facebook post that of course has since been spread far & wide.

    It seems that most of the fuss is because these ‘whites’ are racist in that they feel that protection was required in a rough area of town. Therefore blacks are criminals or something…… Trying to make sense of liberal ‘logic’ sometimes makes my head hurt!

    1. avatar Snatchums says:

      That dude should have a damn good reason to have his pistol out of his holster in public. Other than that……”Behavior as dangerous and disrespectful as this is appalling and has no place in any neighborhood and by any city contractor, subcontractor or representative” sounds like they need to scrap their PD.

      1. avatar Geoff PR says:

        Does that qualify as ‘brandishing’ in Wisconsin?

        1. avatar TX_Lawyer says:

          First Google result:

          “What’s the difference between “brandishing” and “open-carry” when we’re talking about firearms?
          Attorney Gamino: There’s a pretty significant difference between the two. Brandishing is the term used for waving your weapon around and acting as if you’re going to use it, but you won’t find it in Wisconsin law. Instead, the law says: “Although intentionally pointing a firearm at another constitutes a violation of this section, under s. 939.48(1) a person is privileged to point a gun at another person in self-defense if the person reasonably believes that the threat of force is necessary to prevent or terminate what he or she reasonably believes to be an unlawful interference.”

          There usually isn’t a specific law for “brandishing.” There are usually laws saying that threatening people with a deadly weapon is a felony. Technically, there isn’t a brandishing law in Texas either, but brandishing is very clearly illegal.

          To really answer your question, I would likely have to know Wisconsin carry law and the facts of the incident. If I was having something built here in Texas in a bad neighborhood, the guys working for me wouldn’t get in any legal trouble for taking a gun out of there holster like in the picture. He’d have to have a good reason for having the gun out, like “everyone wanted to see my gun” or “Joe just gave me a pocket pistol because I didn’t have a gun.”

        2. avatar Bob says:

          Most states don’t even have brandishing laws. Also the definition of “brandishing” is widely vague.

          The biggest thing to get over is the fact that when you carry a firearm you do NOT need to be glued to it.
          The problem is the gun community has a rule that your firearm doesn’t leave your holster unless you plan to use it.
          Understandable but not hard and fast.

          You can take it out for hundreds of reasons, clean, inspect, unhook caught clothing, keep from dropping while working, etc…

          Here are some examples of perfectly legal pistol holster removal:

          I need to squeeze between this piece of equipment and I don’t want to rake my firearm down the side of it.

          Wind kicked back and filled my holster with sawdust/dirt/sand, etc.. pull pistol out, blow out with air. I do this about once a week, we don’t all have office jobs….

          Showing someone which brand firearm you carry and what it looks like, might seem scary or weird to people who don’t carry, but its the norm to a lot who do. Just because a contractor shows another contractor where the safety levers are on a nail gun doesn’t mean he’s gonna build a house right then and there. geeze people..

          Going to the bathroom…..
          I’ve handed off my pistol more than a few times to someone else so that I don’t have to worry about it while droppin a #2, its perfectly legal (at least here in PA), as long as they’re over 21 and they don’t conceal it without a permit.

          I can go on.

          I’ll agree, the photo is being taken entirely out of context.

      2. avatar Baldwin says:

        “That dude should have a damn good reason to have his pistol out of his holster in public.” Are you serious? Pistols and peckers are NOT the same!

  3. avatar Hank says:

    Should we all turn on Savage now too?

    1. avatar A Brit in TX says:

      I like my Savage Model 11 .308 and will give Savage the benefit of the doubt until the facts are known!

      1. avatar Bob h says:

        Not blaming the hunter, but, it is interesting that the only times I personally have seen verified reports of revolvers and muzzle loaders going kaboom are when extreme pressures and hand loading are involved. Unless Savage has documented the issue and chosen not to resolve it e.g. GM ignition switch I tend to lean toward operator error when cases are so few and far between.

        1. avatar Tim says:

          I was wondering about that, too, since my understanding is that black powder operates at pretty low pressures. But, apparently this model was designed to allow some smokeless powders, which kind of seems like a lot could go wrong.

          From the article:

          > Savage Arms started making the 10ML-II in 2001. It was designed to withstand the use of smokeless powder, which appealed to some shooters because it didn’t require the same messy cleanup as black powder.

          And, some of the recommended loads and powders:

          http://www.chuckhawks.com/ping_pong_balls.htm

  4. avatar A Brit in TX says:

    And another thing! The murdered cop story will be used to grab guns because the one used was at some point stolen from a law abiding (presumably) person. No mention of the fact that once again the revolving door justice system habitually releases violent felons back into the community with nary a slapped wrist to be seen…….

    1. avatar DoomGuy says:

      That’s the surest way the government gets the rabid soccer moms and the panicky henpecked wusses to support gun control.

      The government loves dead police officers and American soldiers because they can use it as a political tool.

    2. avatar California Richard says:

      Whoa whoa whoa!! Slow down there hotshot! Being from California I can tell you from personal experience that the man (Jorge Zambrano) who shot the cop was a victim too. I’m 1000% certain that the NRA forced that gun in to his hand and practically pulled the trigger! Besides, like the article said, the cop was killed by a stolen gun not a violent career criminal. According to the WC District Attorney stolen guns commit 90% of the crime in his county! But not to worry! NBC said they teamed up with the The Trace and the ATF Operational Inteligence branch and they are going after those stolen guns! (*sarc off)… Read the original article. Its hillarious how they paint guns as the badguy.

      They said Massachusetts crime guns were traced from Fresno California, then concluded, “Massachusetts has some of the strictest gun laws in the country, which makes the state ripe for this black market, underground world of guns flowing from states with looser restrictions.” Bwahahahahahahh!!!

  5. avatar Mike Dexter's A God says:

    That CMP 1911 scheme is so ridiculous. TWO nics background checks. No C&R love.
    Totally absurd. And, they are going to completely botch the whole operation just you wait.

    1. avatar Manse Jolly says:

      Verified. A friend just got his CMP letter stating that.
      Plus over $1000.
      It would be nice but not at that price.

    2. avatar ad-lib says:

      it’s a garbage plan and the CMP should feel bad.

  6. avatar DoomGuy says:

    Congress isn’t gonna do anything but take guns away from veterans, people who have sought counseling for a tough spot in their life, and people with unpaid traffic tickets.

    1. avatar Geoff PR says:

      “Congress isn’t gonna do anything but take guns away from…”

      Lighten up, Hudson.

      Light a campfire and sing a song…

      1. avatar DoomGuy says:

        Maybe I should change my screen name to Pvt. Hudson.

        Because the game is over. The NICS fix is designed to take guns from people who have committed no crime. Congress and trump want that one.

        The second amendment will be ended with the house passing HR 4477 today.

        1. avatar Geoff PR says:

          “Maybe I should change my screen name to Pvt. Hudson.

          Because the game is over. The NICS fix is designed to take guns from people who have committed no crime. Congress and trump want that one.”

          “FACT CHECK: Rep. Thomas Massie Spreading Misinformation About Comprehensive Self-Defense Legislation Pending in Congress”

          “In a recent Facebook Post, Congressman Thomas Massie (KY-4) included several inaccurate statements about H.R. 4477, the Fix-NICS bill. Below are some facts to set the record straight:

          CLAIM: “The bill will also advance former President Obama’s agenda of pressuring every branch of the administration (such as the Veteran’s Administration) to submit thousands of more names to the NICS background check database to deny gun purchases.”

          FACT: The bill requires that federal agencies submit the names of anyone who is already prohibited by law from possessing a firearm to the NICS background check database. This differs from former President Obama’s efforts, in which he attempted to administratively create new categories of individuals who were prohibited from possessing a firearm. H.R. 4477, by contrast, is aimed squarely at individuals like the perpetrator of the recent murders in Texas, who should have been reported to NICS because of his disqualifying criminal history.

          CLAIM: “The bill is being rammed through, without a hearing, in a very nontransparent process, and it will be passed by attaching it to the popular concealed carry reciprocity bill which already has enough votes to pass on its own.”

          FACT: The bill went through a very thorough and public markup session of its own. And like the concealed carry reciprocity bill, the Fix NICS bill would also have enough votes to pass on its own.

          CLAIM: “It spends over half a billion dollars to collect more names to include in a list of people who will never be allowed to own a firearm.”

          FACT: The bill incentivizes states to transmit the records of individuals who, under current law, are already prohibited from possessing a firearm. It does not create new categories of restriction.

          CLAIM: “It compels administrative agencies, not just courts, to adjudicate your second amendment rights.”

          FACT: Since 1994, administrative agencies have been required to report individuals who are prohibited under current law from possessing a firearm to NICS. Fix-NICS merely adds additional layers of transparency and accountability to the process, as a well as a new 60-day deadline for the government to resolve claims of records that have been erroneously included in NICS.”

          https://www.nraila.org/articles/20171205/fact-check-rep-thomas-massie-spreading-misinformation-about-comprehensive-self-defense-legislation-pending-in-congress

        1. avatar ACP_arms says:

          I don’t see anything in H.R. 4477 that changes anything but penalizing departments, agency’s and personnel for not doing the job they are supposed to do. I just don’t see what people are raising hell over.

          https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/4477/text

        2. avatar Geoff PR says:

          The NICS bill is going to happen whether you, me, or anyone else likes it or not.

          Deal with it.

          So why not use its inevitability to get something we want? To provide a thin veil to gather Leftists votes in the Senate, that I remind you, we *must* Leftist votes to get 50 state carry?

          That way, they can go to their constituents and tell them they got “stronger background checks”.

          Are you aware in the 2018 midterms the Leftists have to defend 25 seats compared to our 9 in the Senate?

          Lighten up, Hudson.

          Sheesh… 🙂

        3. avatar TX_Lawyer says:

          It also spends money like water. That’s the biggest reason I’m against it. It’s spending money for no good reason. It’s like a poor person with massive credit card debt buying dog food … when he doesn’t have a dog.

      2. avatar DoomGuy says:

        And you’re completely fine with people getting their rights denied because of a traffic ticket or being diagnosed with ADHD?

        And if the leftist won’t vote for it the right shouldn’t “compromise”. You and I both know that the NR will get dropped in reconciliation and the NICS fix along with possibly any other number of democrat gun grabs will get sent to the presidents desk.

        1. avatar TX_Lawyer says:

          “And you’re completely fine with people getting their rights denied because of a traffic ticket or being diagnosed with ADHD?”

          The traffic ticket thing is only if they issue a warrant for your arrest. The ADHD thing isn’t true.

  7. avatar Snatchums says:

    Those 10/22 stocks: is that a little pocket to store a couple spare rotary mags on the side there?

    1. avatar Geoff PR says:

      “Those 10/22 stocks: is that a little pocket to store a couple spare rotary mags on the side there?”

      It sure looks like it, doesn’t it?

      https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1835/5065/files/rm4tkdwn-magstorage-action-square_1520x.jpg?v=1493825041

      It’s a slick idea, if true…

  8. avatar Anon says:

    Whoah… “undermining the right of states” … isn’t that the Obama-era media claimed to be a ‘racist dogwhistle’ ?

    1. avatar TX_Lawyer says:

      They are advocating states’ rights to block a policy that would disproportionately help minorities, according to science.

  9. avatar former water walker says:

    So Ashanti is upset about yer gat?!? Mebbe she should work on her s##t neighborhood…Milwaukee sucks. Chiraq’s “sister” city in crime. Sadly no open(legal!) carry in She-ca-go…

  10. avatar FedUp says:

    “Behavior as dangerous and disrespectful as this is appalling and has no place in any neighborhood and by any city contractor, subcontractor or representative,” Stamper said.

    Meanwhile, cops standing around the parking lot, all of them with holstered guns, one of them pulling a gun out for show and tell…is a normal day at the cop shop (until he shoots himself in the leg when attempting to reholster).

  11. avatar FedUp says:

    And we have authors recommending some pretty stout loads, and proclaiming it to be “safe”.
    I wonder how many of the ‘defective’ Savage MLs were fed hotter or more powder for hotter performance?

    http://gunblast.com/SavageML10.htm

    The loads that proved to be amazing to me used the three listed bullets above with Hodgdon’s Lil’ Gun powder. This powder, which has already become one of my favorite pistol powders (see Jeff’s article at Hodgdon Lil’ Gun Powder), turned in good velocities with each bullet tested, and the spreads and deviations were some of the best I’ve ever seen. I was able to reach speeds approaching that of a .375 H&H Magnum with equal bullet weights. For example, the loads with the Hornady 250 and 300 grain bullets using Lil Gun averaged 2552 and 2432 fps, respectively. The Cast Performance 335 grain averaged 2370 fps with Lil Gun. This relates to around 4300 foot-pounds of energy at the muzzle. As a comparison, this muzzleloader has more retained energy at 300 yards with these loads than the mighty .454 Casull has at the muzzle out of a handgun! This kind of performance from a fifty caliber muzzleloader is amazing. Most other inlines won’t do half of that. I also need to interject here that neither Hodgdon nor Savage recommends this powder in this gun.

    1. avatar Snatchums says:

      So people are using smokeless pistol powders in black powder muzzleloaders? Can’t imagine that ever going wrong.

      1. avatar FedUp says:

        It’s a smokeless powder muzzleloader.

        But yeah, every load is a handload, and the Iowa farmer’s attorney claims he ‘weighed’ the 43 grains he loaded it with, to which I proclaim ‘bullshit’.

        1. avatar Snatchums says:

          I didn’t know there was such a thing. I’ve only shot a couple cap and ball revolvers and I’ve never reloaded so my knowledge about such things is limited. However I was pretty certain that the margin for error when making smokeless powder loads your margin of error is pretty slim and loading loose powder in the field sounds like asking for trouble. I mean, if seating your bullet in the case a little too deeply can cause an overpressure kaboom couldn’t ramming the ball home too much cause the same type of failure?

  12. avatar ironicatbest says:

    Who wants a 1911 anyways, all the cops carry Glock…. Appears there are more bears in New Jersey then Colorado…. Three guys, ones pushing a broom, your tax dollars at work. ….. Career criminal shoots cop, I’ve always felt much safer around part time criminals.

    1. avatar Snatchums says:

      Everyone is a part time criminal in the eyes of the state.

    2. avatar TX_Lawyer says:

      I want a 1911 because I have my grandfather’s reloading equipment, bullets, and cases for it. That’s enough reason for me. Admittedly, it’s way down on my list of wants.

      1. avatar Scoutino says:

        There is plenty non-1911 .45s around. If you like steel frame check out CZ 97.

        1. avatar TX_Lawyer says:

          Yeah, but the 1911 is “the” .45. It is so far down my list that I really have put much thought into it, yet.

  13. avatar george in RI says:

    regarding that top pic of soldiers shooting….when exactly did this lanyard-on-a-military-pistol thing start? I saw it in the early 90’s in ROTC, thought it was goofy and unnecessary then. I did know some officers who actually did this, but it was a personal choice and their reasoning seemed to be to avoid getting in trouble of they misplaced the pistol. Actual military units do it? is this by individual choice or are units now mandating that practice? I get that you don’t want to lose your pistol, embarrassing and all, but this seems a bit extreme…not to mention cumbersome to use in practice when you actually need to shoot. that tension on that guy’s phone-cord-like lanyard is definitely yanking on the grip frame of that pistol. consistent force sure, but you can’t tell me it does not affect accuracy having to compensate for that opposing force vector. not a fan.

    1. avatar ironicatbest says:

      I’m just guessing, but the lanyard was probably started with the British Calvary?

    2. avatar Rick says:

      While in the direct action platoon(USMC Force recon) we all did it. It is a telephone handset cord. Never got in the way, never effected shooting. After fast roping out of a huey I saw our corpsman run across the lz with his soc 45 bouncing behind him. Funny as hell really. At least we didn’t have to get on line and look for the damn thing.

      1. avatar strych9 says:

        Lanyarding a pistol has also been common with Euro cops since I can remember. However they never used telephone cord that I recall. Instead they used this fancier version of what is effectively Paracord.

        Looks snazzy and fits their regs but you can tell they don’t actually practice with it. I witnessed a Dutch cop down in the islands draw his sidearm in an attempt to use it against a couple bank robbers only to discover that his fancy cord was about a foot and a half too short…

    3. avatar Shallnot BeInfringed says:

      Granted, this is a limited example, not like huge Army or Marine units on dry land, but… many, many moons ago (early ’80s), I used to stand topside watch on a submarine, and our 1911s were required to be attached to our bodies by a web lanyard at all times. You see, there were no gunwales or raised edges on the deck to catch dropped objects, only a smooth curve leading gradually to the waterline…

      Apparently, before I joined the boat a few pistols had been “lost overboard” (snicker), and the command was determined to put a stop to it… I still remember horror stories of the dire consequences that would befall anyone who failed to turn over to the next watch not just the pistol itself, but all 14 rounds of 230 gr. ball! (And both mags, the holster, lanyard, and pistol belt as well. We had to log the turnover of each item separately in the topside logbook at the start of each and every watch.)

      So yes, some military units used lanyards.

  14. avatar Geoff PR says:

    “WATCH: Ammo Flies Out Of Burning Home, Hits CBS2 Photographer”

    http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/12/05/ammo-flies-out-of-burning-home/

    1. avatar Big Bill says:

      Interesting, but, for all practical purposes, harmless.

  15. avatar Spencer Ivey says:

    Prioritizing gun owners is prioritizing national safety.

  16. avatar FedUp says:

    A source told FOX6 News Tuesday the three workers pictured below were fired. The photo shows the workers from American Sewer Services, a subcontractor, with guns on a job site at 19th and Meinecke.

    http://fox6now.com/2017/12/05/source-says-workers-pictured-with-guns-on-job-site-fired-dpw-commissioner-meets-with-company/

    1. avatar Rick says:

      Circle of trust, folks! The only person who ever knows I’m carrying is my wife.

    2. avatar TX_Lawyer says:

      I hope they aren’t considered fired “for cause” and get to collect unemployment.

  17. avatar Soylent Green says:

    “…with a stolen gun in the possession of career criminal.”

    That the misuse of stolen property is the thing we talk about when even the left uses the word “career criminal” is utterly ridiculous.

  18. avatar oliver says:

    Pulling your pistol out of its holster in a densely packed urban setting to merely show it off to a cameraman or friend should be grounds for immediate revocation of your right to carry. At least in that state. I dont care if its pointed at the ground and your finger is off the trigger. Its yahoo behavior like this that puts every responsible gun owner in a bad light.

    1. avatar TX_Lawyer says:

      It shouldn’t be illegal to do things that only hurt other people’s feelings or make people think bad thoughts.

  19. avatar Mr. Woodcock says:

    Can someone educate me on the purpose for the bungee cord on the bottom of the guy’s pistol in the article headline picture…I clearly am not OAF enough to understand this!

    1. avatar Rick says:

      See my reply to george in RI.

  20. avatar General Zod says:

    “It is ironic that during a period in which gun deaths have been increasing and mass shootings are claiming an unprecedented number of victims…”

    The real irony is that both of those statements are easily disproven as the lies they are…but a large segment of the population will swallow them without question.

  21. avatar Aaron says:

    Brazil “prevents” civilians from carrying guns, and yet their murder rate is something like 4 or 5 times the US national average. Criminals gun down other people all the time in Brazil.

    Right now, there are hordes of criminals in Wash DC, PG County, Baltimore, etc. who are carrying guns even though it is illegal. It will REMAIN illegal for these criminals to carry guns after national reciprocity passes, and they will STILL carry guns. In fact, guns were essentially completely banned in Wash DC in the 1970s, and that didn’t stop if from becoming the murder capital of the world in the early 1990s.

  22. avatar JDH says:

    It’s dangerous, disrespectful and appalling to get shot by a gun-toting thug in the hood, too.

  23. avatar Jim Bullock says:

    “A photo showing … brandishing guns …”

    That picture shows peaceful carrying and safe handling, not brandishing. Carrying can be legal or not. Falsely reporting a crime, like “brandishing” , is always a crime.

    Interesting that people in the article and comments find carrying a gun “disrespectful”, and assume it’s based on fear. What I’ve seen, carrying a gun generally goes with respect for the people around you: you respect them enough to protect them, and that they’ll understand & respond appropriately.

    Perhaps people are assuming they don’t respect the community because those guys are working for the city?

  24. avatar Patrick H says:

    The murder rate is NOT “increasing all the time”. FFS.

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