TTAG Morning Digest: Canucks Support a Ban, Keeping it Classy in Beantown and No-Compromise Gun Control

69% of canadians want to ban gun in cities

courtesy globalnews.ca

Oh, Canada . . . 69% of Canadians support outright ban on guns in urban areas: poll

The vast majority of Canadians favours a total ban on guns in urban areas, a new poll suggests.

According to the poll, conducted by Ekos Research Associates for The Canadian Press, 69 per cent of those surveyed agreed with the statement “I think that there should be a strict ban on guns in urban areas.”

Support was highest in Quebec at 76 per cent and lowest in Alberta at 48 per cent.

defensive gun uses vs gun crime (courtesy thinkaboutnow.com)

Apparently Harris County is drastically different than the rest of the country . . . Forensics Report Shows What Guns Are Mostly Used For In Harris County

So, if people are rarely using guns for protection, how were they being used when someone was killed?

We found the most recent statistics in the 2016 annual report from where Mozayani used to work, the Harris County Institute of Forensic Sciences.

In Harris County last year, there were 478 homicides,  people killing other people.

Knives, clubs, and strangulation were used in some but in the vast majority, a gun was the weapon,  accounting for 371 of those 478 homicides.

In cases of people killing themselves, guns accounted for 285 of the 500 suicides in Harris County last year.

There's a thriving black market for guns in China. Yes China.

But that’s illegal (and probably a ChiCom capital offense) . . . Firearm black market thrives in China as experts call for overhaul of laws

Last week, police in Central China’s Hunan and Hubei provinces, North China’s Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region, East China’s Shandong Province and Southwest China’s Guizhou Province busted several online gun trading rings.

Since July, police in Bouyei-Miao Autonomous Prefecture of Qiannan, Southwest China’s Guizhou Province, have arrested 585 suspects and confiscated 387 guns in raids on several online trading rings, China Central Television reported on November 28.

Three websites were ordered to delete content or shut down during the period and more than 7,000 pieces of illegal online information were removed, said the report.

Gun trading crimes have become increasingly hard to detect, as traders often communicate in code in online chat rooms and disguise their online gun stores as hardware or toy shops, said experts.

A Boston anti-gun group's invitation to vote for gun control

This is what happens when you’re losing the argument . . . Boston-based gun control group sends graphic ‘RSVP’

A leading gun control group in Massachusetts is launching a graphic campaign to urge President Trump and members of Congress to “wipe the blood off your hands” by mandating background checks for all firearm sales and renewing the federal assault weapons ban.

Stop Handgun Violence on Friday mailed fliers, fashioned as invitations, with photos of mass shooting victims to the White House and nearly 300 members of Congress who “vote with the NRA every time,” said the organization’s co-founder, John Rosenthal, in a phone interview late last week.

He said his group will also tweet the invitation to each recipient.

If you carry a gun, know when you can legally use it.

Always good advice . . . If you carry a firearm in Alaska, know when you’re legally justified to use it

If you use a firearm in defense of yourself or another, your conduct will likely be reviewed by a prosecutor to see if it was legally justified. If the prosecutor decides it was, you won’t be charged with any crimes. If the prosecutor decides it wasn’t, you may face criminal charges ranging from a misdemeanor “reckless endangerment” to murder in the second degree, various assault charges in between, and possibly misconduct involving weapons offenses.

The prosecutor’s decision would depend, in part, on whether you “reasonably believed” deadly force was necessary. Our Supreme Court has said that when a defendant claims their use of deadly force was justified as self-defense:

“(The) defendant must satisfy both an objective and subjective standard; he must have actually believed deadly force was necessary to protect himself, and his belief must be one that a reasonable person would have held under the circumstances.”

The gloves come off . . . No compromise to curb gun violence

The people will now demand that you either respect the will of the people, or get out of the way. The only way to get a meaningful handle on a problem that has gotten so far out of hand is to take draconian steps. And here they are, with no compromise or half-baked stopgap measures accepted:

1. Every firearm, from small-caliber handguns to assault weapons that can be operated like machine guns, must be registered and a registration fee imposed each year, like we must do for every motor vehicle.

2. Every owner and user of firearms must be licensed, with a license exam when first applying, like that for a driver’s license and license renewal periodically with a fee collected for such a service.

3. Each purchase of ammunition must be recorded and cleared by a background check, the ammunition being restricted for hunting purposes. Armor-piercing ammunition shall be banned completely, and all ammunition made subject to an excise tax.

Nicole Sarno lets her fellow students know that she shoots guns. (courtesy lancerspiritonline.com)

Another safe shooter who learned the right way . . . Sharing confessions of a safe gun owner

Hi, my name is Nicole Sarno. I’m a sophomore at LHS and… I shoot guns for fun.

Without knowing anything else about me, you have probably already decided what you think of me. Sadly, the majority of you most likely think of me as a violent person or a murderer on the verge of a shooting spree just because of this fact.

I learned how to handle a gun and how to shoot from my ex-marine father who knows a lot about guns and gun safety. I know how to properly take care of a gun and how to use one appropriately. I’ve never even shot an animal but at the mention of a gun I can be considered dangerous.

THINGS YOU DIDN’T KNOW ABOUT SIG SAUER

comments

  1. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

    ‘Every firearm, from small-caliber handguns to assault weapons…’ – Here I thought .224″ was a ‘small-caliber’.

    1. avatar Ed says:

      Too bad the writing here is SO BAD I had to click the link to the article only to find out it was a OPINION article. This site really sucks lately.

    2. avatar BLoving says:

      S’okay, Ed, you didn’t miss much if you didn’t follow the link… the author of that article is being absolutely excoriated in the comments – as if he cared anyway. 🤠

      1. avatar Porkchop says:

        Negative comments are not surprising. Southwestern Pennsylvania has a pretty robust pro-Second Amendment culture in my experience.

  2. avatar M1Lou says:

    Dear god! That times opinion piece sounds like pure unadulterated fascism. I was wondering when he would discuss the gun owner special tattoos and yellow gun badges he would force us to wear. The petty tyrant would love to pass all of thesr laws so good people get shot to death by SWAT teams. Unfortunately we would have hundreds of SWAT teams that would salivate at the chance to wreck some people’s lives in addition to cheerleaders like this guy celebrating the deaths of gun owners at their hands on twitter.

    1. avatar Porkchop says:

      I don’t think it is an “opinion piece.” It looks like a letter to the editor.

  3. avatar pwrserge says:

    Joseph Sundeen is exactly the sort of scumbag who would never have the balls to go house to house himself to enforce the laws he proposes. This is why I hate commie vermin and their collaborators.

  4. avatar LarryinTX says:

    All you need to do to end mass shootings is to prohibit (on pain of death, maybe?) people congregating in groups larger than 5 or so! See how easy that was? Do you suppose that is what these morons are suggesting?

  5. avatar HP says:

    I’d like to invite our misinformed neighbors to the North to take a look at how good a job that a ban (or what amounts to virtually a ban) on guns in urban areas has helped combat crime in places like Chicago and Washington, D.C.

    1. avatar ColdNorth says:

      The response to that poll was pure emotionalism, so I doubt it would have any effect.

      In one province in Canada (British Columbia), in 2017 there were more than 1100 deaths from opioid abuse up to September 2017. And yet here we are with a “news” organization promoting an agenda to disarm the least violent, least criminal group in all of Canada (licensed gun owners).

      So to answer your question, they wouldn’t care. Later on, if we saw an increase in violent crime after a gun ban, they wouldn’t care. I’m sure that The Canadian Press would print plenty of lurid stories about gun violence in America or something in order to cover it up. After all, if you don’t report something, it didn’t happen.

    2. avatar Sarcasma the Lesser says:

      Obviously nobody in the pro-gun camp paid any attention in history class. A total ban on guns inside city limits worked pretty well in Tombstone, Arizona.

      1. avatar Yellow Devil says:

        Actually it didn’t. Hence the “shootout” at the OK Corral. The ordinance to check your firearm, bowie knife or any other weapon at the entrance of the town was (frequently) ignored by the Cowboys.

      2. avatar Philthegardner says:

        Erm, YD – that bright, flashing “Sarcasm” sign means…

  6. avatar Ogre says:

    Yup, the gloves come off (again – it isn’t like these gun control objectives haven’t been published before). Regarding the Canadian poll, IMHO a poll will record any result that the polling company (or the entity that hired them) wants to achieve. Given that the Canadian press hired the polling company, the results are not surprising and could probably be countered by a pro-gun entity hiring a polling company to achieve opposite results. With regard to the story about the Chinese black market for guns, I see that as an example of exactly what would happen in the USA if the gun control entities have their way with us. The Boston “invitation/RSVP” to legislators is the usual sophomoric tripe that the left-wingers come up with – no surprises here! As to knowing what may happen legally in Alaska after a self-defense shooting, I’ve always believed it incumbent on all persons carrying for self-defense. When you pull that trigger on a presumed bad guy, you’d better be right or your troubles are only beginning. I live in Virginia and have known for years that it’s part of responsible concealed carry to know local law and how it may affect you post trigger-pull. That’s one reason I have concealed carry insurance. I tend to agree with Nicole’s conclusions about how other people might characterize her if they know she is a shooter. It’s a shame, and is why I seldom/never tell anyone that I’m a shooter, gun owner or concealed carrier. It gets the panic juices flowing in other, hoplophobic people, and I have no desire to be SWATTED.

  7. avatar ColdNorth says:

    That Canadian poll was an automated phone poll conducted by Ekos for The Canadian Press. Yes, I totally trust the Globe and Mail and Torstar to provide an honest and balanced analysis of gun rights in Canada. The commenters by the pollster himself are disturbing and should be alarming to anyone interested in human rights in Canada. Hell, if we can’t trust people to own guns in urban areas, why do we let them vote? Why do we let them have opinions? Why do we let them walk about without showing proper deference to their betters when in the street?

    Yes, Minister had a good piece on polling and it applies to this particular poll. Note how none of the articles link to the poll itself and show the in-depth methodology used. The question asked is deceptively vague as well, as it does not make a distinction between the peaceable licensed gun owners (who commit crime at a lower rate than non-gun-owning Canadians) vs gangsters.

    Basically, the Liberal party wants to implement new gun controls for the end of the year, so they need to create the impression of a groundswell of public support. That’s why we are seeing so many anti-gun articles in Canadian news sources. Fortunately, there has been an extensive pushback by pro-gun rights advocates, so they know that there will be electoral consequences for punishing ordinary people.

  8. avatar former water walker says:

    Oh it isn’t just some Chinese using code talk to trade guns. I belong to a local FB page trying to be cute posting zip codes with pics of guns. Personally I’m not likely to meet a stranger to buy/sell a gat…that HS girl
    needs to understand most of her snowflake classmates won’t “like” her shooting. Life and liberty isn’t fakebook😫

  9. avatar rt66paul says:

    One of the problems here is using a gun to prevent an ass whipping – you could be protecting yourself from(what many might think was a well deserved ass whipping) a “lesson” or even someone verbally abusing you. Does the law mean that or does the law mean you believe that you could be maimed, have a broken arm or some such or even if you believed your life was in danger.
    As far as I am concerned if a stranger is abusive towards me or mine, I should be legally ok to keep shooting until he/she stopped – others might think I was not ok there if the person only meant to rough someone up.
    What are the standards here? What if someone is assaulting your dog?

    1. avatar Cliff H says:

      The legal standard (boilerplate-check your local laws) is “Would a reasonable person in that situation have been in fear of their life or grievous bodily harm?”

      Verbal abuse without threats of physical assault hardly reach that level, but certainly reach the level of heightened alertness for trouble to escalate to that level.

      On the other hand, would a reasonable person expect that someone who was willing to abuse or harm their dog would also be willing to turn on them once the dog was dealt with? I think an armed response to that level of violence MIGHT be defensible in court. Maybe.

  10. avatar MarkF says:

    I think I’ll stick with “gun lobby blood money.” Sometimes, freedom is a bitch, but it’s always preferable to the alternative.

  11. avatar Rick the Bear says:

    The use of the photos from LV is a perfect example of waving the bloody shirt. Disgusting!

    1. avatar Ing says:

      It is disgusting. Ghouls, that’s what these anti-gun astroturfers are. Exploiting the bloodied corpses of the innocent for fun, power, and profit.

    2. avatar Yellow Devil says:

      I may add, even the anti-abortion activists do not mistake the vaccum cleaner, needle, or drug for the act itself.

  12. avatar Joe R. says:

    F canada and MA, POSs need to be sued.

    We can go to war with canada over transport of weapons to AK.

    F, we could go to war with canada over less.

  13. avatar Aaron M. Walker says:

    All this just gives me a headache…I wish I could move to another Earth like planet without any people on it…For its the People that cause problems for other people…I see why the Pilgrims left Europe…So long ago…

  14. avatar TrueBornSonofLiberty says:

    It appears Joseph Sundeen is a democrat activist and elected official in Lower Makefield PA. Found this “Joseph Sundeen, PhD – Lower Makefield Township Judge of Elections”. Just another Liberal Terrorist™ who poses an existential threat to our Constitutional Republic.

  15. avatar WI Patriot says:

    “According to the poll, conducted by Ekos Research Associates for The Canadian Press, 69 per cent of those surveyed agreed with the statement “I think that there should be a strict ban on guns in urban areas.”

    And that’s fine, they are, afterall, canucks…

  16. avatar Ing says:

    Gad, that U. of Houston public media article was stupid. Broken from the very start.

    Relying entirely on a coroner’s reports… The coroner only sees the dead, not the living. If you want to know how many people were killed and by what means, sure, talk to the coroner. It seems that law-abiding citizens don’t often kill people (surprise!…not).

    But how the hell would the coroner know how many people were NOT killed because they had a gun?

    Judging only by the words on the page, I’m not sure if the writer was an idiot or just presenting pseudo-factual drivel to a readership he presumes is too stupid to think for itself.

    1. avatar Cliff H says:

      The only way to know how many people were NOT killed because they had a gun would be to review the reports of persons treated for gunshot woulds who didn’t die, who shot them, why they were shot, and whether or not they were prosecuted and CONVICTED of a crime after the shooting.

      And even that leaves out all the incidents where simply producing the weapon without firing resolved the situation.

  17. avatar Cliff H says:

    “This is what happens when you’re losing the argument . . .”

    WOW! That takes bloody shirt waiving into a whole new universe!

    And not even a SLIGHT indication that Paddock passed background checks for each and every weapon that he purchased and used.

  18. avatar Jim Bullock says:

    “The gloves come off . . . No compromise to curb gun violence”

    Pennsylvania Podunk there has a few things wrong… Sadly, most of his draconianism is just him trying to impose a penalty on people he doesn’t like, for doing things he doesn’t personally approve of. He seems to have confused being head of the hazing committee and making actual laws impacting grown-ups who aren’t him. “Please sir, may I have another.” — Not.

    “The people will now demand that you either respect the will of the people, or get out of the way.”

    The people have rejected far less draconian gun laws repeatedly, see the federal “Assault Weapons Ban” up through “third time’s the charm”, the steady state and local restriction rollbacks over the last 10 years, Supreme Court rulings hauling back “bans by other means”, plus of course polls, national voting that installed a government with which preference, and people “voting” with their dollars and time in record numbers, by buying guns.

    The willful people also continue to support the 2A, which makes all these proposals non-starters.

    Perhaps Pennsylvania Podunk there should try respecting the will of the people.

    “The only way to get a meaningful handle on a problem that has gotten so far out of hand …”

    So far “out of hand” that violence and murder using guns keeps going down, precipitously, BTW while the number of guns in the population keeps going up.

    The problem is elsewhere: bad people doing bad things, sprawling criminal conspiracies, thugs, terrorists and whack-jobs. And indeed, we should get serious, about violence, and about the drivers of violence done with guns, which do not include peaceful, responsible people owning them.

    “1. Every firearm, from small-caliber handguns to assault weapons that can be operated like machine guns, must be registered and a registration fee imposed each year, like we must do for every motor vehicle.”

    Easily done. Things that operate “like” machine guns are called machine guns and they’re already registered. Registering “assault weapons” is likewise easy, as citizens already don’t have those. (See “machine guns.”)

    Registering every other gun is a non-starter: what’s it pay for?

    Motor vehicle registration fees are there to pay for roads & similar. Absent funding something legal, and related, those fees would be afoul of at least infringement, disparate impact, prior restraint, privacy, penalizing a lawful activity, a tax that isn’t a tax, interference with commerce, and … how many more do you want?

    “Every owner and user of firearms must be licensed, with a license exam when first applying, like that for a driver’s license and license renewal periodically with a fee collected for such a service.”

    See the gun registration scheme above.

    “Each purchase of ammunition must be recorded and cleared by a background check, the ammunition being restricted for hunting purposes. Armor-piercing ammunition shall be banned completely, and all ammunition made subject to an excise tax.”

    See the gun registration scheme above.

    1. avatar Mark N. says:

      Less than a month to go before California starts requiring personal identification, a check against a list of California prohibited persons, and “registration” of every round purchased by reporting caliber and amount of all ammo sold to the California DOJ. Another year and a half and we have to buy licenses to purchase ammo, with a full background check, which license will be required in order to purchase ammo ($50). If you come here to hunt, bring plenty of ammo, since it does not appear that non-state residents will be allowed to buy ammo if they run out.

  19. avatar William Ashbless says:

    So banning guns in urban areas? It may just work. Maybe if we pick a test city we can see if it holds true.

    Boy, I bet Chicago is kicking themselves for not figuring out this solution before those stupid Canucks.

  20. avatar Jbw says:

    Since a large number of children are affected by bullies using freedom of speech there must be limits placed to stop this after all if you save one life it’s worth it. In addition with all the fake news reporters should be licensed with felony penalties for fake news or misuse of freedom of speech, like false attack ads.

  21. avatar AlanInFL says:

    So, why is there no poll from Western or rural Canada? I know that they would say: No.

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