Note to Gun Control Advocates: Be Careful What You Wish For

Jill Richardson (courtesy columbiamissourian.com)

“If there’s any will at all to reduce the death toll from guns in this country — more than 33,000 deaths a year — no doubt the country that sent a man to the moon can figure out how to do it without violating citizens’ rights.” Sure there is! All we have to do is . . .

Effectively address the scourge of suicide — which accounts for about two thirds of firearms-related fatalities — and start locking up gang bangers — who account for the majority of the remaining deaths.

Anyway, Jill Richardson makes her optimistic observation at columbiamissourian.com. So…show me!

Nope. Ms. Richardson has no suggestions. But she reckons that any gun control law is OK as long as it has some impact on “gun violence.”

Furthermore, just because a law may not prevent all shootings doesn’t mean it won’t prevent some shootings.

I’ve even heard a gun advocate say that regulation won’t work because it would only stop people who are too stupid to get around them from obtaining a gun.

You know what? That sounds good to me. If we can prevent every single shooting perpetrated by a stupid person, I’m for it.

That’s still fewer people dying overall. It won’t get us down to zero, but refusing to do anything just because it’s a partial solution is ridiculous.

Each little bit of progress we make is a human life saved. It’s an entire family whose lives aren’t torn apart and changed forever.

It’s two fewer grieving parents and four fewer grieving grandparents. It’s more children who grow up with their parents alive.

I don’t have a stake in which method we use to reduce gun violence so long as we pick something that works. It would be nice if law-abiding gun enthusiasts would help.

Well now, here’s the thing: gun control laws have far more impact on law-abiding Americans than on criminals (and thus firearms-related injuries and deaths). Ipso facto.

By making it more difficult for law-abiding Americans to keep and bear arms (yes AR-15’s too), gun control laws invoke the law of unintended consequences. More [defenseless] people are hurt than helped.

And if the citizenry are completely disarmed (gun control’s hidden goal), all hell breaks loose. The hell that claimed my family and would include, I suspect, left-leaning journalists, should that dark day ever arrive.

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  1. avatar Joe R. says:

    “Abortion Surveillance 2013
    In 2013, 664,435 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC from 49 reporting areas. The abortion rate for 2013 was 12.5 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years, and the abortion ratio was 200 abortions per 1,000 live births.” https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/abortion.htm

    664,435. Tell me to my face, that those MF’s haven’t waived their right to b1t<h about any fing killing.

    1. avatar herbwuz says:

      It is clear that “for the children” does not include babies with this crowd. What is crystal clear is the motivation for gun control and any other policies they push for Is “what feels right for me, and don’t worry about collateral damage.”

      1. avatar Joe R. says:

        + gun control is all about ‘control’, and you can see what they do with what’s left in their hands.

        20% of the number of ALL LIVE BIRTHS, in the U.S., in 2013, were aborted.

        Holy living F.

        You better hope that some of those dead kids didn’t wind up in your designer Protein Shakes, or Wrinkle Remover.

        1. avatar Rusty Shackleford says:

          Senomyx uses human embryonic kidney cells taken from an electively aborted baby to produce “flavor enhancers” for processed food companies like Pepsi, Kraft, Nestle, etc. We are already living in a world of soylent green.

        2. avatar Reality Used to Be SciFi says:

          “Rusty Shackleford says:
          November 17, 2017 at 19:14
          Senomyx uses human embryonic kidney cells taken from an electively aborted baby to produce “flavor enhancers” for processed food companies like Pepsi, Kraft, Nestle, etc. We are already living in a world of soylent green”.

          Read this:
          https://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2012/01/27/fetal-cells-in-soda-not-quite-the-discomfort-behind-the-controversy/#2b3f31ff329e

          Rusty, it is bad enough that the anti-2a’s exaggerate (AKA, Lie), without this total misrepresentation of a forty-seven-year-old study that NEVER produced anything remotely close to what you are claiming.
          Below is just one of many articles and research studies referencing the experiment.
          BTW, I loved the book. ( Make Room! Make Room! by Harry Harrison)

      2. avatar Will says:

        Its because the unborn aren’t considered to be human life, just a bunch of cells…. unless of course some BF punches his pregnant GF in the stomach, killing the “fetus” in the process. Then all of a sudden that “fetus” was a human life and the BF gets charged with murder.

    2. avatar Cliff H says:

      Very first thing I though when I started reading this post – I was goping to type a one-word reply:

      Abortion?

    3. avatar Swarf says:

      Until the adoption rate is damn near 100% and all children are fed, clothed and housed, y’all’s crocodile tears about the evils of abortion hold zero water.

      You don’t give a shit about children, you give a shit about having something to be angry about.

      1. avatar Noah says:

        See, this is the fallacy that comes out every time someone gets upset about abortion; we’re not allowed to stand up for the unborn and their right to live because we can’t guarantee every one of them with the ideal living standards and/or because we oppose cradle-to-grave social welfare programs.

        We aren’t going to be able to feed, clothe, and house all the homeless in my area, but that doesn’t justify rounding them up and gassing them. Right is right, wrong is wrong, and human life is one of the things we made a commitment to protecting as a society back in 1781.

      2. avatar N64456 says:

        I think 90% of Democrat babies should be aborted; especially male ones… Just imagine, we could almost the eliminate the entire next generation of violent felons, junkies and drug dealers. Not to mention cull the (D) voter rolls…

      3. avatar Huntmaster says:

        Troll

      4. avatar Big Bill says:

        Obviously, you meant an abortion rate of 00%, not 100%. Otherwise, there’d be no children to clothe and feed.
        But you point out the fallacy of gun control, too; unless it’s 100% effective…
        You knew that, but you said it anyway.
        We already have gun control that affects the law-abiding more than the criminal, but you want more of the same.
        It comes down to, “First they came for…”

        1. avatar LarryinTX says:

          Reread. He mentioned an *adoption* rate of 100%.

        2. avatar Big Bill says:

          “Reread. He mentioned an *adoption* rate of 100%.”

          You’re right,my bad.

      5. avatar Joe R. says:

        Swuffer

        You don’t give a shit about kids. The evil POS (D) are the same MF’s pushing all the “sex is ok for 3 year olds, why don’t we have homosexual people teach it in pre-K?” bullshit.

        If you really gave an F about anything, you’d be pushing Conservatism like many of the rest of us here. Conservatism pivots on, and HEAVILY relies upon, PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. You and your broken sh_t ilk don’t give a fat fV<K about the causes FOR ANYONE "NEEDING AN ABORTION" It's because they invited the chance to make a child that they suddenly claim was unexpected and unwanted (like some freak thing happened) (the reason babies come about hasn't changed since Adam finished his bite of the apple). Libs sh_t on the idea of personal responsibility and the related idea of sexual abstinence IF YOU ARE NOT READY TO INVITE A CHILD INTO THIS WORLD. If you are raped, Society cannot require anything further of you, because Society cannot also force you to carry and bear someone else's children. BUT THAT DOESN'T REMOVE THE STATUS OF HUMAN BEING FROM THE PRODUCT OF THE MATING (the child). If it does, then you're not worthy of that title.

        S I M P L E _ F I N G _ L O G I C

      6. avatar disgruntled deplorable says:

        Well swarf, here’s a little tidbit from an adoptee to consider. Teach your daughters to keep their legs closed until they are married and there’s no need to adopt anyone. There, 100% compliance. Fixed it for you. Complaining about unwanted pregnancies in an age when we know how to prevent it leaves your argument flat. Sex produces children, fact is THAT’S WHAT IT’S FOR, FLAME DELETED. Don’t want kids, don’t have sex. Seems simple enough for a 3rd grader to understand. Fortunately in 1967 when I was conceived, there were no “legal abortions” to be had. Making me fortunate enough to exist. If you have no skin in the game, (pun intended) then STFU.

    4. avatar Noah Bishop says:

      People like you are poster children for the anti gunners. Quick to anger and a distorted version of reality. Your argument is non sensical and offensive to me as a person that would like to further my 2nd amendment rights.

      Comments like yours make gun owners look like total idiots and are the reason hoplophobia is spreading. The reality is that gun rights are as much a civil right as gay rights and women’s rights. Your behavior is no better or different than the anti gunners

  2. avatar TyrannyOfEvilMen says:

    Well, you know what they say:
    “When only outlaws have guns, I’ll be an outlaw!”

    Yup.

    After all, if the law is no good at defending the innocent from tyranny, what’s it good for anyway?

    1. avatar JasonM says:

      After all, if the law is no good at defending the innocent from tyranny, what’s it good for anyway?

      Defending tyranny from the innocent, of course! Isn’t that what laws are for?

  3. avatar Roger Cain says:

    If Jill has such a tender heart, maybe she can look into fighting for those who have NO defense, the unborn.
    Only 50+ million have been slaughtered like swine. Yeah, yeah… women’s rights and all that bullshit.

    1. avatar N64456 says:

      C’mon now…. Every time she gets depressed, she goes and gets another abortion; it helps cheer her up!!…

      1. avatar Geoff PR says:

        Creates jobs at the abortion clinic…

        1. avatar n64456 says:

          Not to mention keeping the stray dogs well fed in alleys behind the PP clinics…

  4. avatar Ranger Rick says:

    Ms. Richardson is another one the “We have to do something, anything no matter what” crowd. In other words a “Know nothing”.

  5. avatar Jay in Florida says:

    Im so sick of “if it only saves one life”. Well for the majority of gun related deaths in this country are those lives really worth saving?? Suicide?? Take away the gun and they will find some other way out the door.
    Criminals and gang bangers killing each other?? Let them. I don’t want to pay to keep them incarcerated.
    Now for the other maybe 5K a year who are truly innocent victims of gun shots. If its an innocent I do have sympathy for them and their families of course. Im not totally cold hearted.
    Just sick and tired of anyone trying to take away from me the best tools for the job of protecting myself and my family.
    They come 1st above all else, even myself.

    1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      “Now for the other maybe 5K a year who are truly innocent victims of gun shots.”

      When you subtract suicides and criminals murdering other criminals on the streets, you are left with something closer to 1,600 murders a year with a firearm as the murder weapon.

  6. avatar Bob in Calif says:

    “If there’s any will at all to reduce the death toll from guns in this country — more than 33,000 deaths a year — no doubt the country that sent a man to the moon can figure out how to do it without violating citizens’ rights.” Sure there is! All we have to do is . . .STFU and go away. There fixed it

  7. avatar Emily Litella says:

    What’s all this talk about gun violins?

    1. avatar Geoff PR says:

      It’s “Violins on television”, Emily :

      (The brilliant Gilda Radner, RIP)

  8. avatar Nanashi says:

    How about stopping the influx of illegal aliens?

    1. avatar Joe R. says:

      How about stopping the re-flux / revolving door of illegal aliens?

      NO OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, LET’S FOREIGNERS DECIDE WHO GETS TO COME INTO THEIR COUNTRY.

      EXPLETIVE DELETED

      1. avatar Sian says:

        Have you looked at the EU lately?

        1. avatar Joe R. says:

          Ok, well I would like to modify my comments to incorporate this supplemental information, and I would like to yield back the remainder of my time to the gentleman from the great state of . . .

        2. avatar RJB says:

          I will mention two out of several countries that do not allow refugees into their country, Poland and the Czech Republic, they near zero the problems all the other countries including the U.S. have with refugees, illegals, immigrants and whatever you want to call them. we’re surrounded by fools and mindless idiot’s !!!

    2. avatar NTS says:

      Read GAO’s 2011 study on illegals and homicide in the U.S. I read…

  9. avatar DaveL says:

    For the Peasant Disarmament Lobby, it’s trivially easy to reduce gun violence without infringing the rights of Americans. That’s because:

    1. The slightest shadow of a reduction counts, no matter how much you have to torture the numbers to make it appear; and

    2. They don’t think Americans actually have any right to bear arms at all. In fact I’m pretty sure they don’t think human beings have any rights in the sense you or I would recognize. More along the lines of the “right” to hold the right opinions, to be governed by the right people, to do what they tell you, and receive what they see fit to give.

  10. avatar Chris says:

    Hey look at that, Ms Liberal Arts college know-it-all has the answers. Why didn’t I think of that?

  11. avatar paul says:

    If you want the right to control your own body, I think I should have the right to decide when and how I die. No, I am not suicidal, but I can see a time when I might just want to check out. Like when the cancer is metastasized and I can not get the pain relief to want to stay alive.

    1. avatar Ing says:

      I can also visualize a time when some other person wants me to die but I ain’t ready. I’m very interested in retaining my own choice in that scenario. A gun isn’t a guarantee, but it definitely is a choice.

  12. avatar Salty Bear says:

    End the war on drugs. Criminals and cops will have lost a major reason to shoot people.

    1. avatar Hank says:

      Then seal and militarize the borders and deport the worthless 3rd worlders.

  13. avatar Chip in Florida says:

    “….but refusing to do anything just because it’s a partial solution is ridiculous’

    Where did you get the idea that nothing is being done?

    There is a law that makes murder illegal.

    There is a law that makes felons ineligible to buy or posses firearms.

    There is a background check system in place that all gun stores and dealers must use for every sale. That is every sale everywhere, no loopholes exist.

    And these are just the tip of an entire icebergs worth of laws and regulations and restrictions and permits and on and on and on.

    I would say that quite a bit is already being done so maybe you should do just a bit more research on the subject and get back to us later. And when I say later I mean after you have figured out just which law is the one that could have prevented any of the recent big media spectacles.

    1. avatar George says:

      The law (forget the 1st amendment issue, I know this would violate it.) that bares the media from reporting a shooting more than once and says that they can’t give the shooters name. That would take away the shooters moment of fame and without fame, there is no incentive.

    2. avatar RJB says:

      Yeah, a law that isn’t already defined in the approx 24,000 laws we already have on the books !!!!!!

  14. avatar Ing says:

    “Each little bit of progress we make is a human life saved.”

    The progressives never mention the cost. They want progress (toward their goals, and only theirs, of course) at any cost.

    They keep saying “if it saves one life it’s worth it. ” But what are we progressing toward if they reduce gun ownership and save just one life at the cost of a thousand more?

  15. avatar Sam in Ohio says:

    Abortion is a Red Herring. Roe vs. Wade is their Heller vs. D.C. Both are bitter pills for the opposition to swallow.

    A better comparison may be alcohol related deaths. From the CDC Alcohol Fact Sheet which you can google for yourself if you want a citation:

    From 2006-2010, 88,000 deaths per year. 1 in 10 deaths of ” working age” adult deaths was alcohol related.

    How did banning alcohol work out? Gave us NASCAR, but the bottom line is that if government makes a good or service illegal, but a market for it exists, there exist people who will attempt to capitalize on the market despite the penalties: alcohol during prohibition, drugs, 5 gallon flush toilets, etc. Guns won’t be any different.

    However, the real unintended consequence of banning guns (the real goal as we understand it) is that to do it, you need to repeal an Amendment in the Bill of Rights. That’s a slippery slope to be sure as other Amendments they hold more dear could be next: 5th Amendment, 4th, the First? It’s all fun and games until you have to quarter a few sailors, airman, soldiers and Marines.

    Ditto for the brain trust that say guns under the 2nd should be limited to the types of firearms known when the Constitution was ratified. Fine, doesn’t that mean a house with air conditioning, an automobile, e-mail, phone calls, cell phones, etc. letters written with anything other than a feather quill are subject to warrant less searches/seizures and not protected speech because those things weren’t known to the founding fathers?

    May seem absurd, but in 25 years as an attorney, the one thing I can assure you of is that “the law” is filled with absurdities.

  16. avatar Icabod says:

    “and start locking up gang bangers”

    “But The Star’s review of every gun charge in Marion County from 2009 to June of this year found that prosecutors — Democrat and Republican alike — dismissed 3,059 gun charges, including 1,508 felony counts. Among those dismissals were 371 charges for possession of a firearm by a serious violent felon.

    The Star’s findings include:

    • More than half of felony gun charges were dismissed, usually in plea agreements.

    • Possession of a firearm by a serious violent felon — the charge specifically aimed at getting violent criminals off the streets — was dismissed in 41 percent of cases.

    • A change in the state’s criminal code that began July 1 reduced the jail time for possession of a firearm by a serious violent felon.

    Why the charges meant to keep gunslingers off the street are dropped is a complicated question tangled in prosecutorial will, rules of evidence and sentencing practices written into the law. But when shown The Star’s findings, Newman called for legislation to close the incentive to bargain away such charges. It is an idea endorsed by public safety officials.”
    https://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2014/10/05/exclusive-violence-rises-prosecutors-bargain-away-gun-charges-indianapolis-marion-county/16760997/

    Imagine that everyone charged with a gun crime faces a 20 year sentence and no plea bargain. The cases would clog the court system and fill the jails. Jill Richardson will no doubt complain about how her taxes have skyrocketed and the number of POC that are in jail.

    1. avatar w'ya D-40 says:

      well……..Then the Progs can’t Bitch about stopping the cradle to prison pipe line, in the minority ghettos: police, prosecutors, judges ect. cook the books on crime stats to make it look like crime is being reduced(plea deals and reducing or dropping charges altogether), all-the-while releasing Violent thugs back in to the community; while community Dis-Organizers with clinched fists screaming about how oppression and systemic racism are keeping POC down. you know that whole Black privilege thing.
      http://www.colinflaherty.com
      videos…..

    2. avatar Big Bill says:

      “Imagine that everyone charged with a gun crime faces a 20 year sentence and no plea bargain. The cases would clog the court system and fill the jails. Jill Richardson will no doubt complain about how her taxes have skyrocketed and the number of POC that are in jail.”

      It’s been my opinion for a long time that as soon as soon as we complain about how we can’t afford to enforce a law (or sub-set of laws), it’s time to repeal said law. Otherwise, we demonstrate that we make laws we won’t enforce, which ends up as saying that we know the law, but do it anyway.

  17. avatar Marcus (Aurelius) Payne says:

    “That’s still fewer people dying overall.”

    No, no its not. Guns are disproportionately used more often in defense. The laws stop dumb criminals, sure, but they also stop citizens concerned with obeying the law.

    Criminals, even dumb ones, have more time to devote to bring better criminals, including strength and fitness, than productive citizens have time to devote to thwarting criminals. The net result is that any restriction on guns is a disproportionately larger hindrance to good people than it is to bad people.

    So her scenario actually means MORE,people dying, more people being raped, etc… as evidenced by the rise in homicides following the famous laws in the UK and Australia.

  18. avatar Maxi says:

    Well, if they want to infringe upon the natural, god-given rights of the american people they should at least have the decency to infringe upon all rights. Every 2a violation should make a equally bad 1a infringement pass. They could not even open their mouth to talk about their next stupid idea without getting arrested. They would wish to get a gun asap.
    But nooo, its just the second amendment. Who needs rights anyway?

  19. avatar David Keith says:

    Yeah, well screw Jill Richard’s. Like you said – gang bangers and suicides and you’ve decreased 2/3’s of deaths. At that point there’s dozens of things that cause more accidents than guns. Like alcohol for instance

  20. avatar Cory C says:

    The logically fallacy in her position is that she’s rebutting an argument no one ever made. No one has ever said, “Well, I’m only opposed to gun laws because I have some lofty belief that laws should only exist if they are 100% effective.” No, our position is that the kind of people who are willing to maliciously kill people are not pursuaded by laws. It’s not that we’re rejecting gun control because it won’t be 100% effective. We’re rejecting it because it won’t be effective at all.

  21. avatar Roy F. Wilt says:

    Sorry! But any attempt to negate the Second Amendment will get any one who attempts to take my weapons Killed!

  22. avatar GoD says:

    664,435 legal induced Child Murders were reported to CDC from 49 reporting areas..the ones getting murdered did not get to debate or vote on their life …so if you want to save lives start here gun haters! You do not get to tell me how i defend my family!

    Jeremiah 1:5
    “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations.

    (consecrated)> make or declare (something, typically a church) sacred; dedicate formally to a religious or divine purpose.

  23. avatar hayward says:

    how do you know that gangbangers make up the majority of the remaining firearm deaths after removing suicides??

  24. avatar TREAT THOSE TWO IMPOSTORS JUST THE SAME. says:

    Because they will it to be so. As they speak, so shall it be.”

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