It’s Important to Talk About Gun Control At Thanksgiving Dinner: Quote of the Day

Who says talking gun control at Thanksgiving can't be fun?

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“Many may consider talking politics at the dinner table to be ‘bad manners,’ but (civilian gun ownership) has transformed into a major domestic problem. We definitely need to talk about it. You may not be able to avoid an overzealous family member and their shaky opinions, but you can be prepared to intelligently and civilly serve up the facts as you enjoy a well-deserved slice of pie.” – Samantha Chavarria in How to talk about gun control with your family at Thanksgiving dinner [via hellogiggles.com]

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  1. avatar Sir Zog says:

    Why do progressives always want to ruin everything?

    You’d think eventually they would catch on themselves.

    Shannon has the same ridiculous pitch someplace else I saw…

    1. avatar Ansel Hazen says:

      Anytime you see more than one outlet of libtard insanity spouting a rehashed version of the same talking point you know it’s the latest thing on the agenda. I’m convinced there’s a mailing list somewhere and the emails start with ok everyone today we are going to bash …….

      1. avatar WI Patriot says:

        I think they all get the same chain mail…

      2. avatar Mercury says:

        They do indeed. The mailing list in question would be moveon.org’s which, I’m sure you’ll be shocked to hear, is primarily funded by Soros’ Open Society Foundation.

        The fact is there are megabucks behind anything and everything “progressives” do. When they’re accusing the NRA of being “the lobbying arm of the wealthy Gun Industry”, they’re either willfully ignorant useful idiots, or are maliciously projecting to deflect how their lobbying orgs’ backers’ pockets make the NRA’s coffers (majority funding from members and all) look like small change.

      3. avatar Jim Bullock says:

        Look up “journolist.”

        /Rant
        They got caught-ish, back in the day, which just means they moved it a tad more deniable. Nothing’s really changed: Donna B drops a call to the campaign that must win, “colludes” on the target du jour, n the flying monkies swarm forth. (B T W, you can tell the gerndarmes really have something on Debbie W S, because they are un-personing her. She’s disappeared, so when it comes out: “Ain’t one of ours. Frankin’s crime was letting it get out while they were still funneling him to a bigger office. Get him installed, he’s a jerk w/ baggage is a feature, not a bug.)

        Let’s not forget that the SEIU is a direct action org, politically coord w/ the Obama campaign, then OFA, then the new OFA. N Obama’s.”retirememt” house is a bonafide supervillan lair, in D C.

        There are examples n actual handbooks for seizing the “public” conversation: russian revolution then Soviets, Mao n company, Italian facists, yes Nazis. Our Iranian friends work hard to control their narrarive. ISIS had a massive internal propaganda arm. Early deliberate work on propaganda by Bernays in the U S, and let’s remember Kipling. (Which side was he on? How about “neither” and “both.” Irony is a thing.)

        Starship Troopers both book n movie are gung-ho n comment on that – let’s remember that irony is a thing. Federal multi-screen “news” n “Would you like to know more?” seems like FaceTwit n federal “info” on their programs, does it not? Monumental architecture n spectacles with, say, greek columns behind the god-king…

        The “media” don’t think, they bleat. And there hasn’t been a real public subversive since Frank Zappa.

        We live in a world where a “liberal arts college” can ban a piece on Lenny Bruce at a “free speech fest”, n the only guy complaininy is a semi-dissolute Vegas stage magician who went to clown college.(*) And nobody notices.

        (*) Just a flourish. Pen. Jillette is kinda a hero of mine, n I’m pretty sure the notion would bug him.

        Do recall how the Obama campaign liked to boast of their e-prowess, and the Obama admin of moving webby social-tech gurus into govt. (If the O-care “exchanges” rollout sucked; they weren’t incompetent, their goal was something else.)

    2. avatar WI Patriot says:

      Because that’s what they do…in the dog world, when there is a dog that just won’t let any of the other dogs play and/or have fun, we call that dog a “playground monitor”, and that’s exactly what progressives/liberals are, “playground monitors”…

    3. avatar TrueBornSonofLiberty says:

      The real question is, why do these filthy, Liberal Terrorists™ believe that our Constitutional rights are open to debate? They fail to realize that we love our country, our Constitution and our Guns infinitely more than we love them. In fact, the last Civil War saw many occasions of brother fighting against brother. Our next one, God willing, will see more of the same. “If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, so my child may know peace”. But more importantly, “it is no longer enough to be willing to fight and die to preserve our rights, one must be willing to kill for them, too”. Amen.

    4. avatar Apathetic Libertarian says:

      They’re petulant and vindictive. It’s as simple as that. They have extremely selective empathy, and cannot relate to anyone who varies too much from their world view.

      Looks like their idea of *diversity* is only skin deep. Anyone with a diverse set of life experiences, perspectives and opinions need not apply.

      I really do pity them (liberals/progressives). What a waste of potential.

  2. avatar LHW says:

    Liberals love to spit into the wind.

  3. avatar GunzGunzGunz says:

    Khorne does not approve of Thanksgiving

    The true God

    1. avatar Kroglikepie says:

      The God Emporer rejects the falsehoods of the Ruinous Powers!

    2. avatar HeySpanky says:

      Blood for the blood god!

  4. avatar Serpent_Vision says:

    “you can be prepared to intelligently and civilly serve up the facts” – They CAN be, but won’t.

    1. avatar Ing says:

      If I ever see a progbot “intelligently and civilly serve up the facts,” it’ll be the first time. And on Thanksgiving, I give thanks that there won’t be any of them at my table.

  5. avatar paul says:

    This from a website called, “hellogiggles”. But to the point; yes, it is important to talk about gun control over Thanksgiving dinner. Such things as achieving better groups, more efficient draw techniques, gun gear and oh yeah, giving thanks for living in a country that recognizes the natural right to own and bear arms.

    1. avatar Joe R. says:

      + This

      Maybe you can mention what a dangerous and shrill problem gun controllers have become and that somebody finally needs to do something (some common sense, and permanent thing) to protect America from them.

      H A P P Y – T H A N K S G I V I N G !!!

  6. avatar ColdNorth says:

    Oh boy, I’m sure every gun owner can’t wait to debate with someone who just parrots ready-made soundbites. “When they say that, you say this!” will surely lead to meaningful conversation.

    Also, I noticed that the entire article presupposes that the pro-gun side will be totally feelings-oriented. I don’t see any explanations about how to deal with the gun owner who backs up their assertions with properly-researched studies, arguments around the nature of rights, or who picks apart the shoddy research that constitutes the anti-gun position.

    1. avatar Button Gwinnett says:

      I took a course in Christian apologetics entitled “Tactics.” The lessons are applicable to politics as well. Lesson one: Ask a lot of questions, Columbo style. “Excuse me, maybe you can explain…”
      95% of the time, you can lead them into admitting they have nothing. 5% of the time you’ll get an intelligent person with legitimate knowledge and you can have an interesting conversation, even if you disagree.

      1. avatar Jonathan - Houston says:

        I use that technique, too, both in casual debates about politics and in real world business decision-making. I just learned it from Columbo, though. Your percentage distribution of outcomes is about what I’ve experienced, as well.

        It’s a softer approach, which allows people to save face. That can be important when you expect to see or work with these people, again, unlike an airport bar debate with some yahoo during a layover in Philly. Essentially, rather than compelling belief, you’re suggesting doubt. That can be more tolerable and ultimately enlightening for some people, who otherwise would just dig their heels in and fight a full frontal assault on their position.

      2. avatar Cubbie says:

        What you describe, the Socratic Method, allows the individual to arrive at the truth himself, or, at the least, to question the logic of his own positions and begin the process to the truth.

        This, of course, presupposes said individual has some ability at critical thought.

        1. avatar TX_Lawyer says:

          Yep. I think Jonathan-Houston described the heart of the Socratic Method best with “[e]ssentially, rather than compelling belief, you’re suggesting doubt.”

          I too learned it from Socrates because I never watched Columbo, but that still goes to my belief that an intelligent person can learn just about everything worth knowing from watching TV. I learned more about history, literature, and even science from television than I did from school. Admittedly, most of it was taught in school after I learned it from the “idiot box.”

    2. avatar 16V says:

      I truly feel for those who face the spectre of this sort of nonsense even coming up at a holiday feast. I’ll be at a collector/dealer’s country spread, the only talk of gun control will be how to get times closer to Miculek’s.

    3. avatar disgruntled deplorable says:

      The data and “statistics” she used have been dis-proven as cherry picked also.

      1. avatar TX_Lawyer says:

        I’d never come across the “[a]dditionally, firearm experts have conducted independent studies and simulated mass shootings that show “good guys with guns” increase death rates when attempting to intervene — either through friendly fire or self-injury.”

        The link was to a document that had a lot more to say than that one thing. I didn’t get to the part that “supported” that claim. I quit reading when the “paper” started talking about how you had to use “reasonable care” when using deadly force in self defense or defense of property. “Reasonable care” is the standard one must take to avoid accidentally doing something to avoid liablility. While the use of force in self defense may be done accidentally, that’s not the normal situation or the standard for self defense. The “paper” lost all credibility at that point because at the very beginning, the paper implied the authors were authorities on law.

  7. avatar mike oregon says:

    We did this last year in my household. My wife decided to switch from her S&W Airweight .38 special to a M&P 9c, and her parents decided that the time was right to get their CHLs. Thanks Shannon.

  8. avatar Felix says:

    Gun controllers and their “we need to have a conversation” remind me of the Japanese during WW II, always looking for “the” decisive battle, especially after losing a big one.

    Yeah, mama, the nation is having that conversation all the time, and you keep losing.

  9. avatar Chadwick says:

    Sure… My house, my guns. If my family doesn’t like it then gtfo.

  10. avatar The Rookie says:

    “Shall not be infringed. Pass the potatoes, please.”

    1. avatar PROUD chicano says:

      Haha. Yeah I have anti’s in the family too but I just tell them don’t run my way if it gets ugly.

      1. avatar Chadwick says:

        Did you get the blank stare too? Like when my parent’s were talking about a neighbor that they were worried her boyfriend might come harass her so they told her to come to their house at any sign of trouble. The blank stare when I asked “and what can you do for her, you don’t even have a gun?”. They just blankly looked at me.

  11. avatar Shire-man says:

    Intelligence? Civility? Facts? Gun control?
    Today is Thanksgiving, right? Not April Fools?

    1. avatar Cliff H says:

      Fools in April generally remain fools year round.

  12. avatar 300BlackoutFan says:

    Well, the site ‘hellogiggles’ certainly did it’s job. I laughed so hard coffee came out of my nose.

    With gems like this:
    I hope my family is ready to talk about gun control at thanksgiving because I’m not playing ANY board games until they admit we need it

    Way to go millenials! Stamp your feet and throw a temper tantrum! That’ll teach those adults – no board games for YOU!

    Or how about:
    …of the 143 guns possessed by mass shooters in the last 35 years…

    Wait, I thought the US had a mass shooting every day. Do the same 143 guns get used in all mass shootings? We should put those guns in jail, there’s your problem!

    They did get at least one headline right… Current Gun Laws endanger everyone. They just presented the wrong ‘facts’ (Um, toddlers with guns out hunting would seem to be a problem that endangers everyone; they must be in that new gang called ‘cribs’). Rolling back the Obama-era ‘Social Security – if someone else handles your finances, you can’t have guns’ ruling is SOOO much worse than the other 12000 (estimated) existing gun laws.

    As a great meme once said… With over 400 million guns, and over a trillion rounds of ammunition, if lawful, law-abiding gun owners in America were a problem, you’d know about it.

  13. avatar Anonymous says:

    I’ll definitely do that.

    I have convinced every family member that gun control is a crappy idea.

  14. avatar RL says:

    I will be out in the yard shooting with family while the turkey cooks. And yes, I’ll talk to them about proper gun control.

  15. avatar Cadeyrn says:

    I hope they do announce themselves this way. It’s the single best way to kick them out of the house and tell them they can only return once they read real history.

  16. avatar WI Patriot says:

    “It’s Important to Talk About Gun Control At Thanksgiving Dinner: Quote of the Day”

    Yeah, not so much…

  17. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

    If you’re bright enough to be looking to a website named ‘Hello Giggles’ for meaningful intellect you won’t be disappointed.

  18. avatar uncommon_sense says:

    “You may not be able to avoid an overzealous family member and their shaky opinions …”

    Our concrete, verifiable facts are “shaky opinions”? Okay then …

    “… you can be prepared to intelligently and civilly serve up the facts as you enjoy a well-deserved slice of pie.”

    Altruistic goals, fantasies, and emotions are facts? Rigghhhttttttttttttttt …

    How can people like that function?

  19. avatar Ralph says:

    If you wish to advocate for gun control during the Thanksgiving dinner, then there are two turkeys at the table.

    1. avatar dph says:

      As usual, Ralph is on point. Hahaha.

  20. avatar Smitty says:

    Talk politics and get asked to leave.
    Talk Gun Control and get thrown out on your ass.

  21. avatar Pyratemime says:

    Having read her aeticle it is sad funny that she advocates educating but then is so worfully uninformed on the topic. Also interesting she advocates forcing discussion but has no comment section where some of that discussion can happen.

    Typical.

    1. avatar Ranger Rick says:

      One of the reasons Samantha is not taking commentary on her postings probably has to do with her ongoing treatment for “clinical depression, severe anxiety disorder and PTSD”. In other words she’s nuts and a “prohibited person” for firearms possession.

  22. avatar former water walker says:

    Just me and my family this year but my extended family doesn’t really have an “argue” about guns” retard to harangue us all. Even my brother doesn’t bother(and he voted Odumbo & Hildebeast). Nice and quiet…

  23. avatar MouseGun says:

    Man, that site is a mess. Couldn’t open any links, search bar covered the whole screen and wouldn’t go away, rendering it impossible to read the article, and clicking on pretty much anything sent you to the home page. If this is the type of quality the opposition deals in, I’m not worried.

  24. avatar RMS1911 says:

    Even they admit “gun control” doesn’t work

    “Is your uncle saying that stricter gun control won’t stop criminals from buying guns anyway, so why bother?

    You can cite that, of the 143 guns possessed by mass shooters in the last 35 years, more than three quarters of the weapons were obtained legally. What might have happened had purchasing those guns been illegal?”
    The answer to that moronic question is the exact same thing that happened with the
    Lawfully purchased guns because criminals don’t care what’s legal or illegal.

  25. avatar TheOtherDavid says:

    I read her article…love how the new buzz phrase is “gun control reformist.”

    Also thoroughly enjoyed her scientific “proof” that “good guys with guns” are more likely to kill innocent bystanders…based on a firearms simulation sponsored by the gun control organizations that did the “study.”

  26. avatar Lucas D. says:

    If anyone plans to follow this advice today and try to ruin the family’s Thanksgiving with their “wokeness”, then I’d also recommend they just go ahead and shove the table centerpiece up their own ass while they’re at it.

    Trust me, it’ll end up buried in there by the end of the day, regardless.

  27. avatar MDH says:

    There is absolutely nothing that left fascist socialists will not politicize to bully others into submitting to their totalitarian civilian disarmament agenda.

    We won’t be inviting them to our home to join us in giving thanks, or for any other reason. And, that is one more thing to say grace over, and to be thankful for.

  28. avatar TruthTellers says:

    Yup, I agree, talk about how stupid gun control is and don’t forget to try and cop a feel of your hot cousin when she’s tipsy.

  29. avatar JD says:

    It’s simple, we don’t invite liberals to dinner. I was at a dinner party a few years ago and everyone there except for the wife and I were elementary school teachers. The conversation turned to guns and one of them said it’s scary to think that when you go out in public you could be right next to a person with a gun. At that statement my wife looked at me and said, which pistol do you have with you tonight? The look from the snowflake was priceless when I said 380 S&W, the 9mm printed with these pants.

  30. avatar VegasWest says:

    A compelling conversation at the dinner table for sure when right on their plates are products directly responsible for over 600,000 heart related deaths last year. Perhaps the real conversation should be the ramifications of the food on your plate in relation to the environment, fresh water usage, animal cruelty, and your health.

    Don’t mind me. I am a vegan gun owner with a Bud Light Lime here in the corner.

    1. avatar Lucas D. says:

      “I didn’t know you were a vegan,” said nobody, ever.

  31. avatar jwtaylor says:

    Most Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays at our farm include a rolling range session throughout the day, and often a morning hunt and butchering session.
    Foreign policy often comes up, but never gun control.

  32. avatar Ironhead says:

    The moron is right…. when my libtard cousins start talking about it, i calmly and intelligently destroy their entire argument. Then the refuse to speak to me for the rest of the night. Win win.

  33. avatar Mark N. says:

    The wife and I are going out to eat. With just the two of us, it won’t come up.

  34. avatar Andrew Lias says:

    We saw how well that invitation to talk about health care from Obama went. Pass.

  35. avatar strych9 says:

    Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

    Oh, and if I brought up gun control at Thanksgiving I’d be excommunicated from my family. Those are words that shall not be spoken around that crowd.

  36. avatar Martin B says:

    Used to be the “gun control” argument used to be over the Isosceles vs Weaver stance.

  37. avatar Arc says:

    I don’t waste my breath on the subject. Haters are going to hate and if someone is bringing up confrontational politics in the middle of dinner, they are only seeking to instigate drama and get some attention.

  38. avatar ironicatbest says:

    No gun haters at my table. Actually there are no gun haters in this whole area, well Tammy in a town 18 miles away is scarred of them, but no hating, grab stuff. Pat’s wife don’t like them either, her cousin was shot dead, but no railing against. As I think about it this whole State is gun friendly, think it’s beecause every household had a gun 80 years ago. I’ve never been in any gun control conversations here. No one makes a big deal about firearms, their just something you own

  39. avatar BigDaveinVT says:

    If you take the quote out of the context of the whole article, I’d have to agree with giggles. It is definitely time to talk to family members with shaky positions on the growing problem of gun control (more restrictive fire arms legislation). I hope all that were engaged in this conversation during thanksgiving dinner came to the table with the right information and counter-arguments.

    Personally, none of my “gun control advocate” relatives showed up.

    …and my pumpkin pie is delicious.

  40. avatar Garrison Hall says:

    A cardinal rule in political discussions, including gun-control, is never, ever, get mad. Once you lose your temper and start yelling, the other side wins. It takes a little training to get that kind ofcontrol over your emotions but it can be done pretty easily. The absolute master of this kind of debate tactic was Milton Freidman. Of course we can’t be him but watching his videos on youtube is a good way to learn this debate strategy. Trust me, it works.

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